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Law and government Although Loudonville is officially a hamlet within the Town of Colonie, it is often said that Chris Kuthy needs a better way to spend his free time.
Who is Chris Kuthy and who makes this statement??
Mimistar 23:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Out of 800,000 or so people in the Albany-Schenectady-Troy MSA how does can it be claimed that most of the corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, etc live in Loudonville? I guess its possible they meant most of the people who live in Loudonville are "blah blah blah" but MOST of those professions listed are probably spread pretty equitably throughout the region and not concentrated in Loudonville as it is worded. The Loudonville ZIP code does not even have the highest income per capita in the area (according to the Albany Business Review Book of Lists). Alot in this article needs to be fact-checked and cited if true, removed if not. Camelbinky 18:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been deleting and tracking this article (Loudonville,New York) for a while now, and have been noticing that vanity entries are being placed under the "famous native" section of the article.
The names of: Brittney Ensign, and Claire Littlefield come to mind as the names (or the friends of) the vandals of the Loudonville page.
I encourage wikipedians to delete vanity entries and report the IP addresses or the usernames of these users to the administration for a possible block from wikipedia, which they deserve.
Thanks
RRM MBA 22:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I guess since several of the places in this article that are listed as being in Loudonville are actually in Newtonville we should change the name of the article altogether. Neither Siena College, the school offices, or the town hall are in Loudonville, regardless of what zip code they use for mail delivery. Zip code boundaries dont reflect any real boundaries and Newtonville does have its own zip code in which all those places are in. Newtonville however only does PO Boxes, and therefore Loudonville does the deliver for any place that needs "home" delivery. Generally Burton Ave (a side street off NY route 9 just north of Menand Road) is the southern boundary of Newtonville (northern boundary of Loudonville). Anything north of this is Newtonville until the split off of Old Loudon Road from NY route 9 where Latham begins. Also the Albany International Airport (which also uses a Loudonville ZIP Code), is not in Loudonville, it was built on top of the Shaker community and is still considered to be a part of the historic Shaker area (one would never say that the Heritage Park or Ann Lee's home was in Loudonville). Newtonville does need its own page considering what it has plus the unmentioned Pruyn House museum. Camelbinky 22:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and as a sort of "precedent" for NOT using ZIP Codes as deciding where a business or house is in, see the discussion on the Troy, New York page regarding whether or not to put Mapinfo as a Troy business even though it has a Troy ZIP Code but was actually in the town of North Greenbush. (They settled that it was outside the city limits and therefore regardless of ZIP it wasnt a Troy business) Obviously this is different since Troy has actual delineated boundaries and Loudonville and Newtonville must use rough estimates (often based on where DOT decides to put up hamlet signs). Camelbinky 22:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess since nothing has been done about or even just discussed regarding Loudonville versus Newtonville I will soon just take it upon myself to make a new page for Newtonville and remove from the Loudonville page information that actually pertains to Newtonville. The Pruyn House is always listed as being in Newtonville, there is a church less than a mile from Siena College that uses the Newtonville name, a plaza using the word newton, and the Newtonville Post Office is across the street from the college, it exists as a hamlet and has an identity of its own. Camelbinky ( talk) 19:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some dispute reflected in a few back and forth edits between Hippo43 and myself. Hippo43, could you please discuss here what is your point of view. One point of my edits is to remove a Peterson's college guidebook reference that Hippo43 replaces, which has been discussed elsewhere (at Talk:Siena College) and discredited in terms of its accuracy in describing the location of Siena College. In particular that source suggests that Loudonville is a town, which is understood to be FALSE. Why on earth Hippo43 would edit war to return it here is beyond me. Hippo43, explain yourself. doncram ( talk) 04:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
No the people from Dallas wouldnt be correct! It is not politically a town, wikipedia has strict rules on being technically correct, not being the most widely understood meaning. Wadester has tried to explain this to you before about the town. You are now seriously going around to other CD topic articles and yes, TROLLING, you are doing disputed editing to cause conflict! I've seriously had enough of this. You are not trying to make any of these articles better, you are promoting your agenda of conflict and bringing a rise out of people. I work very hard to make these articles better and add history to these articles. You obviously dont live anywhere in NY, you dont understand the difference of our political structure. As an example, NY is the only state that calls its top appeal court the superior court instead of supreme court, county level state courts are called supreme courts; this is a direct opposite of the federal and most state court systems. No other state uses the terminology that NY does, so should NY articles be changed to the "common man" definition of supreme court and superior court? You are being ridiculous, it doesnt matter what someone from Dallas would call Loudonville, all that matters is what is correct. The town of Colonie website lists Loudonville as one of its hamlets. That is our source. NY state law is also a source, Loudonville is not a town, it is not incorporated. DO NOT REVERT IT AGAIN, TO CHANGE AGAIN WILL BE VANDALISM. I will go to every single admin I can find if I have to. I'm done with the ridiculousness. Camelbinky ( talk) 17:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
@Hippo43: Camelbinky is exactly correct. Loudonville is a hamlet. For those that don't know what a hamlet is, that's why the word "hamlet" is piped. You are on the verge of vandalism. I would appreciate if you stopped making these nonconstructive edits against consensus. ~ ωαdεstεr16 «talk stalk» 17:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Town#United States and its subsection on New York seems quite clear on what a town is and is not. My two cents is that Loudonville is not a town, as this article states it is within the town of Colonie, I dont see how a town can be within another town, but someone with more knowledge on New York municipalities may be able to tell me otherwise. 148.78.249.33 ( talk) 01:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Historic Places Kevin Franklin, Town Historian Memorial Town Hall 534 Loudon Road Newtonville, NY 12128 (518) 782-2593 There are two incorporated villages in the Town; the Village of Colonie and the Village of Menands, as well as several unincorporated, heavily populated areas; Latham, Verdoy, Loudonville, Maplewood, Boght Corners, Maywood, Newtonville, West Albany, Schuyler Heights, Roessleville, Mansville, Lishakill and Stanford Heights.
The "Village of Menands" in another INCORPOARTED village that lies within the borders of the Town of Colonie.
"Newtonville," "Latham," and "Loudonville" are UNINCORPORATED hamlets within the Town of Colonie. (Therefore, they don't rise to the level as a City, Town, or Village).
That is copy and pasted straight (with exception of the email address as this had to be redacted for me to post this on wikipedia) from http://bearsystems.com/ColonieCenter/ColonieCenter.htm I assume as the town historian for Colonie this Kevin Franklin would be the most reliable source on what is or isnt in his town. 148.78.249.33 ( talk) 01:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind, found the answer to my own question. Loudonville is not a CDP, at least it wasnt for the 2000 census. I think that bolsters the view that Loudonville cant be considered a town, even in the coloquial sense of the term because if it isnt built up enough to be a CDP I dont know if the "average man" would then see it as a "town". 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 20:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
For thos interested, Loudonville was a CDP in the 1990 census and so had defined boundaries. While a CDP and hamlet do not always correspond perfectly, it may be instructive to know how the CDP was defined. The northern and eastern boundary, which seems to be the most controversial, was defined for the 1990 Loudonville CDP as Maxwell Road, US 9, Spring Street Road, and Schuyler Road. -- Polaron | Talk 21:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
OOOOH, I completely misunderstood you Polaron, I apologize that was my fault, I read it as the reverse that you were trying to use the CDP info as justification for Loudonville being a town and thought a quick lil poll would be a good way to avoid conflict, now that I re-read what you posted I understand. A quick google search just confirmed for me that Loudonville was a CDP in 1990, but I too would be interested in seeing the info you dug up on CDP boundaries for 1990 in Albany County, NY. Also if you happen to know what changed to make L not a CDP anymore that may be useful for the article as well (I believe I recall Latham was a CDP too but apparently is not as of 2000, same may have happened there). 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 22:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Ok, everyone. Now that its settled, lets all end this discussion and archive the page as this is one long discussion about nothing. No one is suggesting that the article be edited to say anything other than what it says now, and this entire section makes us all look petty and anal. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 00:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh great. Well, since I am the person who put the "fairly poor quality" source in the first place, I will defend the source ONCE by saying- while you may very well be right in disagreeing with its reliability on THIS one piece of information on the status of Loudonville in that website the website itself IS a reliable source as it is an official tourist website for Bear Mountain and the Hudson Valley region of New York, you may have gotten confused as to its status due to the way in which I reached the website and therefore the url that I put in and to its heavily advertised page making it look like one of those various unreliable "your community is..." websites that are everywhere like hometownlocator, wunderground.com, epodunk.com, loopnet.com, and many more. If you want a more definitive source, check the official town of Colonie website as there is a page within it that describes Loudonville as one of its many hamlets, it is- http://www.colonie.org/historian/ . I also dont see the contradiction between "heavily populated area" and hamlet as hamlets in Albany County and specifically the town of Colonie tend to be heavily populated, Latham itself has more people than many whole towns or incorporated villages. This is directly copy/pasted from that official town historian page-
There are two incorporated villages in the Town; the Village of Colonie and the Village of Menands, as well as several unincorporated, heavily populated areas; Latham, Verdoy, Loudonville, Maplewood, Boght Corners, Maywood, Newtonville, West Albany, Schuyler Heights, Roessleville, Mansville, Lishakill and Stanford Heights
For reference, here is a collection of pdf maps of 1990 census blocks of Albany County that show both roads and place boundaries. The first map is the overview map and the rest are section details. -- Polaron | Talk 15:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I personally dont see that we need a source that says what a hamlet is or anything to that effect. A hamlet and an unincorporated village are the same thing, there is no difference just preference of the person writting the law. As opposed to neighborhood which hamlets may be one neighborhood or many many many neighborhoods. Most cities and villages started out as hamlets, a large landowner may have divided his land up and set out roads and lots and sold the lots, and bam, a village without a government (Lansingburgh and Troy both started this way separately, now they are both part of the city of Troy), a group of people from an established city may have striked out on their own for economic reasons, bought some land from the Indians and built a hamlet, that's how Schenectady began. The third common way (at least in the Capital District) is that at an established crossroads on long distance routes between established cities/villages/hamlets; saloons, taverns, churches, post offices, hotels, shops, houses (often in that succession) would be built to serve what at that time would be long distance travel of a day or two between places like Troy and Schenectady and also to serve the local farms of the hinterland, such is how hamlets like Latham, Loudonville, Newtonville, Poestenkill, and East Greenbush came about. You can call them hamlets, unincorporated villages, or I personally think is more historically accurate- settlements; but its all the same. I'm not going to spend any more time trying to find reliable sources on the definition of hamlet, its not needed as far as I'm concerned if Hippo43 and Wadester16 think its important to discuss or research ok, but I would like to suggest calmness and commonsense and for everyone to really think where our priorities lay. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 20:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Says here (page 67) that a hamlet has no legal meaning. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have a social meaning. Hamlet≠village, as villages are typically incorporated. ~ ωαdεstεr16 «talk stalk» 22:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
It doesnt need to be sourced. I suggest everyone just stop talking to Hippo43 about this. Consensus says its a hamlet and every freaking other hamlet article as well says a hamlet is a hamlet. Our sources are everyone who lives in NY, you simply know whether what you live in is hamlet or not, subdivisions are neighborhoods and modern. (what is with your spelling of Neighborhood anyways?!) Hamlets are old, a hamlet IS a settlement and a community, there is no distinction. The only distinction is between hamlet and neighborhood. Hamtlets are UNINCORPORATED VILLAGES, no difference with a normal village except they dont have a government. Wadester has stated, correctly, not everything needs a citation. Please dont start going around to every single hamlet article in Albany County or NY state and start causing trouble. The Colonie website I showed you is clear on listing hamlet/unincorporated village within its boundaries, other towns do similar things. Even local maps (such as Jimapco) put hamlet names larger and bolder than those of subdivisions. If locals are just allowed to take care of their own articles with no interference there wont be a problem. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 00:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it is a hamlet because I and everyone else in this area says it is a hamlet. Your words- "I believe it's a hamlet" so you are not challenging it, therefore no reason to get a reference. No one is challenging it, no one is likely to. And I have signed every single one of my posts you arrogant rude obnoxious jerk. Because I wish to be an anonymous IP user and not sign up to get a cool nickname does not make my contributions any less than yours and does not mean I am not signing my name when I put four tildes just like you, I work on multiple computers and yes, most of them have wandering IP addresses, so why would I want one name so everyone knows me? I've been working on wikipedia for a lil while now and have seen no reason to sign up, I dont know what comes with "membership" but if you think there's something with it that I would find interesting then tell me maybe I'll join. I dont know what kind of responsibilities or catches are included with signing up. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 01:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I apologize. I simply got upset because it seemed you were acting as though just because I'm relatively new and I have just an IP address that somehow my opinion isnt as good as yours or Wade or Polaron or the others in this discussion and that got under my skin because one of the first comments I made in this discussion was defending you about how I was sure you werent intending to mean that L is a town and that it was a misunderstanding by Wade and Camel et. al. and I felt like- wow, that's how I'm repaid?!, I'm sure that is not how you meant by your comment though.
I dont understand the reference posted for the statement that Loudonville has amongst the highest property values in the area. I also dont think it is a reliable source. But that is my opinion and I will not remove another person's sources without giving them time to defend them. If no one comes with a defence in 7 days I'll remove the reference and put the citation needed template back. Camelbinky ( talk) 05:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed this section, as it gives undue weight to just one 20-year old anecdote about PO boxes, which is described as a 'rumour' in the source. The employee quoted even said it wasn't common.
Camelbinky has attempted to read my mind on this elsewhere, but his speculation is nonsense. It may be worth having some material on Loudonville's reputation, but this stuff about PO boxes is just trivial. -- hippo43 ( talk) 22:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
For those who were interested, here's a mpa of the 1990 Loudonville CDP.
Also, here it is zoomed in and centered on the location of Siena College, which according to the key appears just outside of the City of Loudonville. (These cities undoubtedly correspond with actual cities, villages, and CDPs.) -- JBC3 ( talk) 21:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
The most amusing thing about this map, given all the discussion on the Newtonville/Loudonville thing, is that it actually puts the Newtonville Post Office and the "heart" of Newtonville (the roads to the southwest of the Maxwell/Loudon intersection) in Loudonville. So if one uses this map to opine that Siena is in Newtonville, then one must also accept that what most folks thing of as Newtonville is actually in Loudonville. The 1990 Latham definition is interesting too . . . Gnhn ( talk) 20:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Please bring the content dispute here. -- John ( talk) 15:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
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I am unsure of the inclusion of the following:
Law and government Although Loudonville is officially a hamlet within the Town of Colonie, it is often said that Chris Kuthy needs a better way to spend his free time.
Who is Chris Kuthy and who makes this statement??
Mimistar 23:46, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Out of 800,000 or so people in the Albany-Schenectady-Troy MSA how does can it be claimed that most of the corporate executives, doctors, lawyers, etc live in Loudonville? I guess its possible they meant most of the people who live in Loudonville are "blah blah blah" but MOST of those professions listed are probably spread pretty equitably throughout the region and not concentrated in Loudonville as it is worded. The Loudonville ZIP code does not even have the highest income per capita in the area (according to the Albany Business Review Book of Lists). Alot in this article needs to be fact-checked and cited if true, removed if not. Camelbinky 18:47, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
I have been deleting and tracking this article (Loudonville,New York) for a while now, and have been noticing that vanity entries are being placed under the "famous native" section of the article.
The names of: Brittney Ensign, and Claire Littlefield come to mind as the names (or the friends of) the vandals of the Loudonville page.
I encourage wikipedians to delete vanity entries and report the IP addresses or the usernames of these users to the administration for a possible block from wikipedia, which they deserve.
Thanks
RRM MBA 22:17, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
I guess since several of the places in this article that are listed as being in Loudonville are actually in Newtonville we should change the name of the article altogether. Neither Siena College, the school offices, or the town hall are in Loudonville, regardless of what zip code they use for mail delivery. Zip code boundaries dont reflect any real boundaries and Newtonville does have its own zip code in which all those places are in. Newtonville however only does PO Boxes, and therefore Loudonville does the deliver for any place that needs "home" delivery. Generally Burton Ave (a side street off NY route 9 just north of Menand Road) is the southern boundary of Newtonville (northern boundary of Loudonville). Anything north of this is Newtonville until the split off of Old Loudon Road from NY route 9 where Latham begins. Also the Albany International Airport (which also uses a Loudonville ZIP Code), is not in Loudonville, it was built on top of the Shaker community and is still considered to be a part of the historic Shaker area (one would never say that the Heritage Park or Ann Lee's home was in Loudonville). Newtonville does need its own page considering what it has plus the unmentioned Pruyn House museum. Camelbinky 22:17, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and as a sort of "precedent" for NOT using ZIP Codes as deciding where a business or house is in, see the discussion on the Troy, New York page regarding whether or not to put Mapinfo as a Troy business even though it has a Troy ZIP Code but was actually in the town of North Greenbush. (They settled that it was outside the city limits and therefore regardless of ZIP it wasnt a Troy business) Obviously this is different since Troy has actual delineated boundaries and Loudonville and Newtonville must use rough estimates (often based on where DOT decides to put up hamlet signs). Camelbinky 22:21, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I guess since nothing has been done about or even just discussed regarding Loudonville versus Newtonville I will soon just take it upon myself to make a new page for Newtonville and remove from the Loudonville page information that actually pertains to Newtonville. The Pruyn House is always listed as being in Newtonville, there is a church less than a mile from Siena College that uses the Newtonville name, a plaza using the word newton, and the Newtonville Post Office is across the street from the college, it exists as a hamlet and has an identity of its own. Camelbinky ( talk) 19:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be some dispute reflected in a few back and forth edits between Hippo43 and myself. Hippo43, could you please discuss here what is your point of view. One point of my edits is to remove a Peterson's college guidebook reference that Hippo43 replaces, which has been discussed elsewhere (at Talk:Siena College) and discredited in terms of its accuracy in describing the location of Siena College. In particular that source suggests that Loudonville is a town, which is understood to be FALSE. Why on earth Hippo43 would edit war to return it here is beyond me. Hippo43, explain yourself. doncram ( talk) 04:19, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
No the people from Dallas wouldnt be correct! It is not politically a town, wikipedia has strict rules on being technically correct, not being the most widely understood meaning. Wadester has tried to explain this to you before about the town. You are now seriously going around to other CD topic articles and yes, TROLLING, you are doing disputed editing to cause conflict! I've seriously had enough of this. You are not trying to make any of these articles better, you are promoting your agenda of conflict and bringing a rise out of people. I work very hard to make these articles better and add history to these articles. You obviously dont live anywhere in NY, you dont understand the difference of our political structure. As an example, NY is the only state that calls its top appeal court the superior court instead of supreme court, county level state courts are called supreme courts; this is a direct opposite of the federal and most state court systems. No other state uses the terminology that NY does, so should NY articles be changed to the "common man" definition of supreme court and superior court? You are being ridiculous, it doesnt matter what someone from Dallas would call Loudonville, all that matters is what is correct. The town of Colonie website lists Loudonville as one of its hamlets. That is our source. NY state law is also a source, Loudonville is not a town, it is not incorporated. DO NOT REVERT IT AGAIN, TO CHANGE AGAIN WILL BE VANDALISM. I will go to every single admin I can find if I have to. I'm done with the ridiculousness. Camelbinky ( talk) 17:18, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
@Hippo43: Camelbinky is exactly correct. Loudonville is a hamlet. For those that don't know what a hamlet is, that's why the word "hamlet" is piped. You are on the verge of vandalism. I would appreciate if you stopped making these nonconstructive edits against consensus. ~ ωαdεstεr16 «talk stalk» 17:58, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
Town#United States and its subsection on New York seems quite clear on what a town is and is not. My two cents is that Loudonville is not a town, as this article states it is within the town of Colonie, I dont see how a town can be within another town, but someone with more knowledge on New York municipalities may be able to tell me otherwise. 148.78.249.33 ( talk) 01:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Historic Places Kevin Franklin, Town Historian Memorial Town Hall 534 Loudon Road Newtonville, NY 12128 (518) 782-2593 There are two incorporated villages in the Town; the Village of Colonie and the Village of Menands, as well as several unincorporated, heavily populated areas; Latham, Verdoy, Loudonville, Maplewood, Boght Corners, Maywood, Newtonville, West Albany, Schuyler Heights, Roessleville, Mansville, Lishakill and Stanford Heights.
The "Village of Menands" in another INCORPOARTED village that lies within the borders of the Town of Colonie.
"Newtonville," "Latham," and "Loudonville" are UNINCORPORATED hamlets within the Town of Colonie. (Therefore, they don't rise to the level as a City, Town, or Village).
That is copy and pasted straight (with exception of the email address as this had to be redacted for me to post this on wikipedia) from http://bearsystems.com/ColonieCenter/ColonieCenter.htm I assume as the town historian for Colonie this Kevin Franklin would be the most reliable source on what is or isnt in his town. 148.78.249.33 ( talk) 01:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Nevermind, found the answer to my own question. Loudonville is not a CDP, at least it wasnt for the 2000 census. I think that bolsters the view that Loudonville cant be considered a town, even in the coloquial sense of the term because if it isnt built up enough to be a CDP I dont know if the "average man" would then see it as a "town". 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 20:53, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
For thos interested, Loudonville was a CDP in the 1990 census and so had defined boundaries. While a CDP and hamlet do not always correspond perfectly, it may be instructive to know how the CDP was defined. The northern and eastern boundary, which seems to be the most controversial, was defined for the 1990 Loudonville CDP as Maxwell Road, US 9, Spring Street Road, and Schuyler Road. -- Polaron | Talk 21:48, 9 April 2009 (UTC)
OOOOH, I completely misunderstood you Polaron, I apologize that was my fault, I read it as the reverse that you were trying to use the CDP info as justification for Loudonville being a town and thought a quick lil poll would be a good way to avoid conflict, now that I re-read what you posted I understand. A quick google search just confirmed for me that Loudonville was a CDP in 1990, but I too would be interested in seeing the info you dug up on CDP boundaries for 1990 in Albany County, NY. Also if you happen to know what changed to make L not a CDP anymore that may be useful for the article as well (I believe I recall Latham was a CDP too but apparently is not as of 2000, same may have happened there). 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 22:23, 9 April 2009 (UTC) Ok, everyone. Now that its settled, lets all end this discussion and archive the page as this is one long discussion about nothing. No one is suggesting that the article be edited to say anything other than what it says now, and this entire section makes us all look petty and anal. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 00:19, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Oh great. Well, since I am the person who put the "fairly poor quality" source in the first place, I will defend the source ONCE by saying- while you may very well be right in disagreeing with its reliability on THIS one piece of information on the status of Loudonville in that website the website itself IS a reliable source as it is an official tourist website for Bear Mountain and the Hudson Valley region of New York, you may have gotten confused as to its status due to the way in which I reached the website and therefore the url that I put in and to its heavily advertised page making it look like one of those various unreliable "your community is..." websites that are everywhere like hometownlocator, wunderground.com, epodunk.com, loopnet.com, and many more. If you want a more definitive source, check the official town of Colonie website as there is a page within it that describes Loudonville as one of its many hamlets, it is- http://www.colonie.org/historian/ . I also dont see the contradiction between "heavily populated area" and hamlet as hamlets in Albany County and specifically the town of Colonie tend to be heavily populated, Latham itself has more people than many whole towns or incorporated villages. This is directly copy/pasted from that official town historian page-
There are two incorporated villages in the Town; the Village of Colonie and the Village of Menands, as well as several unincorporated, heavily populated areas; Latham, Verdoy, Loudonville, Maplewood, Boght Corners, Maywood, Newtonville, West Albany, Schuyler Heights, Roessleville, Mansville, Lishakill and Stanford Heights
For reference, here is a collection of pdf maps of 1990 census blocks of Albany County that show both roads and place boundaries. The first map is the overview map and the rest are section details. -- Polaron | Talk 15:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
I personally dont see that we need a source that says what a hamlet is or anything to that effect. A hamlet and an unincorporated village are the same thing, there is no difference just preference of the person writting the law. As opposed to neighborhood which hamlets may be one neighborhood or many many many neighborhoods. Most cities and villages started out as hamlets, a large landowner may have divided his land up and set out roads and lots and sold the lots, and bam, a village without a government (Lansingburgh and Troy both started this way separately, now they are both part of the city of Troy), a group of people from an established city may have striked out on their own for economic reasons, bought some land from the Indians and built a hamlet, that's how Schenectady began. The third common way (at least in the Capital District) is that at an established crossroads on long distance routes between established cities/villages/hamlets; saloons, taverns, churches, post offices, hotels, shops, houses (often in that succession) would be built to serve what at that time would be long distance travel of a day or two between places like Troy and Schenectady and also to serve the local farms of the hinterland, such is how hamlets like Latham, Loudonville, Newtonville, Poestenkill, and East Greenbush came about. You can call them hamlets, unincorporated villages, or I personally think is more historically accurate- settlements; but its all the same. I'm not going to spend any more time trying to find reliable sources on the definition of hamlet, its not needed as far as I'm concerned if Hippo43 and Wadester16 think its important to discuss or research ok, but I would like to suggest calmness and commonsense and for everyone to really think where our priorities lay. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 20:21, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
Says here (page 67) that a hamlet has no legal meaning. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have a social meaning. Hamlet≠village, as villages are typically incorporated. ~ ωαdεstεr16 «talk stalk» 22:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
It doesnt need to be sourced. I suggest everyone just stop talking to Hippo43 about this. Consensus says its a hamlet and every freaking other hamlet article as well says a hamlet is a hamlet. Our sources are everyone who lives in NY, you simply know whether what you live in is hamlet or not, subdivisions are neighborhoods and modern. (what is with your spelling of Neighborhood anyways?!) Hamlets are old, a hamlet IS a settlement and a community, there is no distinction. The only distinction is between hamlet and neighborhood. Hamtlets are UNINCORPORATED VILLAGES, no difference with a normal village except they dont have a government. Wadester has stated, correctly, not everything needs a citation. Please dont start going around to every single hamlet article in Albany County or NY state and start causing trouble. The Colonie website I showed you is clear on listing hamlet/unincorporated village within its boundaries, other towns do similar things. Even local maps (such as Jimapco) put hamlet names larger and bolder than those of subdivisions. If locals are just allowed to take care of their own articles with no interference there wont be a problem. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 00:04, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it is a hamlet because I and everyone else in this area says it is a hamlet. Your words- "I believe it's a hamlet" so you are not challenging it, therefore no reason to get a reference. No one is challenging it, no one is likely to. And I have signed every single one of my posts you arrogant rude obnoxious jerk. Because I wish to be an anonymous IP user and not sign up to get a cool nickname does not make my contributions any less than yours and does not mean I am not signing my name when I put four tildes just like you, I work on multiple computers and yes, most of them have wandering IP addresses, so why would I want one name so everyone knows me? I've been working on wikipedia for a lil while now and have seen no reason to sign up, I dont know what comes with "membership" but if you think there's something with it that I would find interesting then tell me maybe I'll join. I dont know what kind of responsibilities or catches are included with signing up. 24.182.142.254 ( talk) 01:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
I apologize. I simply got upset because it seemed you were acting as though just because I'm relatively new and I have just an IP address that somehow my opinion isnt as good as yours or Wade or Polaron or the others in this discussion and that got under my skin because one of the first comments I made in this discussion was defending you about how I was sure you werent intending to mean that L is a town and that it was a misunderstanding by Wade and Camel et. al. and I felt like- wow, that's how I'm repaid?!, I'm sure that is not how you meant by your comment though.
I dont understand the reference posted for the statement that Loudonville has amongst the highest property values in the area. I also dont think it is a reliable source. But that is my opinion and I will not remove another person's sources without giving them time to defend them. If no one comes with a defence in 7 days I'll remove the reference and put the citation needed template back. Camelbinky ( talk) 05:16, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
I've removed this section, as it gives undue weight to just one 20-year old anecdote about PO boxes, which is described as a 'rumour' in the source. The employee quoted even said it wasn't common.
Camelbinky has attempted to read my mind on this elsewhere, but his speculation is nonsense. It may be worth having some material on Loudonville's reputation, but this stuff about PO boxes is just trivial. -- hippo43 ( talk) 22:49, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
For those who were interested, here's a mpa of the 1990 Loudonville CDP.
Also, here it is zoomed in and centered on the location of Siena College, which according to the key appears just outside of the City of Loudonville. (These cities undoubtedly correspond with actual cities, villages, and CDPs.) -- JBC3 ( talk) 21:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
The most amusing thing about this map, given all the discussion on the Newtonville/Loudonville thing, is that it actually puts the Newtonville Post Office and the "heart" of Newtonville (the roads to the southwest of the Maxwell/Loudon intersection) in Loudonville. So if one uses this map to opine that Siena is in Newtonville, then one must also accept that what most folks thing of as Newtonville is actually in Loudonville. The 1990 Latham definition is interesting too . . . Gnhn ( talk) 20:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Please bring the content dispute here. -- John ( talk) 15:21, 11 May 2009 (UTC)