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The trivia for Lockdown currently contains a description of the "blast door map". However, there are many, many things that can be noted about the blast door map with the proper technology, such as the existence of other "dharma stations", translations of phrases from Latin, and phrases in english describing points on the island. Obviously, all of these should not be noted in the trivia, as they are not only fancruft and possibly original research but are also numerous enough to merit their own article. My question is: what, if anything, is notable trivia about the blast door map? Are the writings on the map notable at all? If so, where do we draw the line between general trivia and fancruft? I don't believe the current description is suitable, and I think it either needs to be lengthened, rephrased, or eliminated altogether . -- Kahlfin 18:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a fan of the idea that if you can't see it in real time it shouldn't be here. You can't see the constituents of an atom or the anatomy of a horse with the naked eye in real time yet it would be ridiculous to propose there removal from an encyclopedia. I know that there is a difference between science and fiction but I think anything that is on the show no matter whether it is shown for 10 seconds or 0.10 seconds is still part of the show and as an encyclopedia this is the place for it.
There is a clear difference between speculation about things on the show and things that are actually on the show such as the writings on the blast door. The question those who remove things from the page should ask themselves is "Is that information true" if the answer is yes they have no right to remove it.
Was the final flashback of the episode in fact Libby's flashback, not Hurley's? If this is so, shouldn't the Flashback: section be changed to read Hugo "Hurley" Reyes and Libby, like in Special? Squidward2602 11:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
--- you make a point that the episode is virtually all Hurley's flashbacks -- but it clearly includes one Libby flashback, so it is more inaccurate not to include hers in the table than to giver her equal billing (so to speak)... as for spoilers, if anyone wants to avoid spoilers they should not be reading this article... this is the very last article someone would be looking at if they wanted to avoid spoilers. 69.142.21.24 23:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I think it would only be Libby's flashback if Hurley didn't appear. I think that should be how we determine who's flashback it is. You take the episode that the character is centered around and list all of the flashbacks. Any flashback that doesn't feature that character should be listed. Rikkyc 02:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
It was at least 10:04 when this episode ended. Did anyone else notice that this episode was more than an hour long?
The normal length for one episode is about 42 minutes without commercials. This episode is about 45 minutes long.
147.229.222.8
21:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
the itunes download was 47:05 -- the longest of the season to date.
dmountain
07:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I dont see it in the source ... so how do I edit the table? Specifically, the flashback for Dave needs to be changed to Hurley & Libby, not just Hurley.
But I don't know how to edit a table either. MK2 09:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I admit I haven't been active as much as I used to with editing Lost-related articles, but why on Earth do we have a page like this and seperate episode articles? We need to choose one or the other. We can't have both. I would consider this to be a top priority. K1Bond007 07:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed in several places, Rousseau is referred to as 'Rousseau', and in other places, as 'Danielle'. I would propose that we be consistent:
(Similarly, we should choose between John and Locke for John Locke, though there seems to be more consistency there on these pages.) Opinions? Bldxyz 17:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
~~ Simba 17:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC): I realize that LOST is extremely popular, I myself have become a fan and enjoy trying to solve the mystery of the island. Now, I'm a new user and as I was reading through the general guidelines and such for Wikipedia, an important thing came to mind -- is a page like this one really encyclopedia content? Ask yourself if a paper-based encyclopedia would give a minute-by-minute word-for-word of every episode of a television series. Many LOST fansites have popped up, and I'm certain that at least a few have play-by-plays for all the episodes. I even have a link to transcripts of all the episodes ( http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/).
Thus, I believe we should drastically shorten the length of this (and of the Episodes of Lost (season 1)) page, limiting each section to two paragraphs -- the first describing the flashback, and the second describing the events on the island. Trivia could also be added. Please vote on the matter. Since I'm new I've never held a poll, I don't know if I should vote in it. To be a gracious host, I will opt not to vote in my own poll. I invite a more experienced Wikipedian to copy-edit this poll to make it more Wikipedia-esque, perhaps with a voting area sectioned off. ~~~
~~ Simba 01:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC): Ahh, I'm sorry I didn't look through the archives first. Duly noted. I'll be sure to go and vote. Thanks. I must say, however, that I don't think a single episode summary doesn't violate the 500-word limit. I would like to "be bold" as it were and copy-edit the entire "Episodes of LOST" page (seasons one and two) but I'm worried I may be seen as stepping on toes. Then again, I supppose any editing I do can be re-edited or reverted...what do you think? ~~~
There was incorrect trivia for The 23rd Psalm. The "Dutch subtitles" mentioned are incorrect, Eko's brother is indeed named Yemi, as this is the name used in the credits and the official Guest Cast List. ShadowUltra 21:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
This article may be redirected as per a poll that will be conducted for the next seven days at Talk:List of Lost episodes#Poll: Which Lost-related Wikipedia articles should we keep?. -- M @ th wiz 20 20 13:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw today that someone added Desmond as being the character flashbacks of Live Together, Die Alone and Michael being the character of Three Minutes, neithe rof these are confirmed. Who is it that has permission to edit the table? ShadowUltra 22:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC) Never mind, I figured it out. I removed Michael and Desmond from the table. ShadowUltra 22:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that somebody keeps adding 'Parts 1 and 2' to the Live Together, Die Alone section. While the episode lasts for two hours, has it ever been confirmed that they are in two parts? Should it not just be 'Live Together, Die Alone'? Until somebody presents me with evidence that it isn't, I am reverting it. 86.133.154.152 09:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Kristin said on this page that, in an interview with Damon Lindelof (which, by policy, is allowed as citable material):
So, can we put Locke and Eko as the flashbacks for "?" ? -- M @ th wiz 20 20 01:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Eko says to John in the Pearl after watching the orientation tape "shall we watch that again". Which is similar to what John says to Jack in the Swan but John has reversed roles and apparently lost his faith in the island.
^^^ I noticed that too. And I think that is notable. "Shall we watch that again" "I've seen enough" is word-for-word (i recall) the conversation John and Jack had after the first Orientation.
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere or if theres some wikipedia policy on this that ive ignored, but...
The page about all the different episodes of lost is collosal, gargantuan. I sometimes like to look at wikipedia on my mobile or on my PSP and guess what? "Out of memory". I guess this doesnt affect people that use a PC (actually mine takes a while to load it and its sluggish scrolling around but its an old machine) to view it in quite the same way but even so wouldnt it be more sensible to create a list of episodes and a seperate page for each episode?
-- Timmywimmy 22:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
This article states that the fate of Ana and Libby is currently unknown, however in Ana-Lucia's article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana-Luc%C3%ADa_Cortez) it is stated that she dies as of "Two for the Road".
Yes, and where is it absolutely proved that Ana-Lucia died in this episode? Did the producers keep her on Hawaii just to throw off any speculation that she would be leaving the show?
At least one of them is dead as it was revealed on the advert for the final few episodes on ABC.
However, ads for the shows are not considered verifiable sources, and sources need to be verifiable to make reference. Consider the shows that actually have aired as the source of information (and some accept the offical websites and Podcasts, too). Are either of them shown to be dead, as of the latest episode? No. Wounded and unconsious, sure, but dead... not yet. Bldxyz 23:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Has it been confirmed where Michael has shot himself? Judging from the last few frames of the latest episode (as of above date), it does appear that he shot himself in the left arm/shoulder area. If it has been confirmed, then please include a reference, otherwise, it must be changed back. - Charlie Marrow 23:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
There appears to be no mention in the episode articles about when the group abandoned the caves. There is several discussion of "back at the caves", but then we don't read about them again until the recap for "Dave" in which Hurley announced he is going to move to the "now empty caves." For someone reading along, they might wonder when and why the caves are now empty. -- spacemonkey4 10:20, 9 May 2006
Someone on TV.com said that Michael is wearing a different shirt from The Hunting Party to Two for the Road. They said he is wearing an orange shirt when he goes off and then wears a plaid buttoned shirt when he comes back. I thought he was wearing the same shirt.- JustPhil 13:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
here is some extanded summarys i found and i want you to decide if you want them add to this page ok
Three Minutes: A determined Michael convinces Jack and several castaways to help him rescue Walt from "The Others." With Jack away, Locke is left in charge of the hatch and must decide if he should believe Henry and not push the button, risking everyone's safety. Meanwhile, the events that happened to Michael after he left are finally revealed. Lastly, Meanwhile, Charlie struggles with Eko's decision to discontinue building the church.
Live Together, Die Alone: After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront "The Others" and hopefully get Walt back. At the same time there will be an answer to the question of where Michael has been and resolution of him and Walt. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch. Lastly, Desmond returns and he sheds some more light on his experience on the island in the three years prior to when Locke came down into that hatch.
LeafGreen Ranger 12:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Just watched the ep and then read the summary on this article (so that i get all the points) and it is not mentioned that in the orientation video the Dr Guy (i'm not very good with names) says that they should put all full notebooks in the tube and they will "be transported directly to us" that must be important and worth noting as it has many possible affects on the possible outcome of the plot. TheEnlightened 20:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
In the trivia section of the this episode someone has written that Locke is able to make an impression into the concrete wall when he hits it with his fist. To me it doesn't look like concrete at all but just some soft wall covering.
Agree or disagree? Should this comment be removed? -- 81.106.138.21 11:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I thought it was some form of plasterboard covering for the wall, possibly to enclose the TVs. I saw that piece of Trivia but I was too lazy to remove it. I think it's pretty dumb to say that Locke (An old desk-jocky that's been crippled three times and is currently on crutches) can punch a huge indentation in a solid concrete wall without even trying. I say get rid of it, but I'm too lazy to download the episode and watch it again to check closer. Erm, I mean, I'm too lazy to find the video I recorded off the TV, downloading episodes off the internet is bad... -- Simondrake 13:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It does appear to be a soft & padded vinyl covering, much the same as they put into padded cells - Charlie Marrow 19:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
To me, the wall just shakes when Locke hits the wall. It might have been a fault in set construction...or maybe, there is something secret going on behind that wall...- JustPhil 21:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it's original research to say what the wall is made of, as we have no way of knowing right now. Therefore, we shouldn't say it. -- Kahlfin 18:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
In the "The Other 48 Days" part of the article, it opens up saying there is a "black man" and "Latina Woman," and a "blonde woman."
Now, why do we have to say its a black guy and latina woman? Truth is he was black and she was Latina, but we do not say "white woman with blonde hair."
In fact, I see no reason for there to be any mention of race to open up the section.
And just so you know, Im a white guy, and even I think its racist that when the show opened up the person who wrote this article first thought black and latina.
why is this page so long? you have individual pages for the episodes, you dont need the entire summaries here... someone should shorten them down and add a table (a la Battlestar Galactica or Stargate SG-1) - Xornok 23:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
This section should be deleted. The same information is presented better here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lost_episodes.
Notice how Ms. Klugh wrote down Hugo instead or Hurley, and James instead of Sawyer, yet she did not write down Kate's full name - Katherine.
It has been suggested that this article be merged into List of Lost episodes, and the truth of the matter is that it has. List of Lost episodes is as comprehensive, if not more comprehensive than this article. This article is far far too long for Wikipedia, and the format in which it is layed out is confusing and irritating.
The main Lost article doesn't even actually point to here, so the only people who refer to this are people . Would the editors of this page please, please let go, and help contribute to the List of Lost episodes article. Having two points of reference is a pointless waste of time.
Come to an agreement and let me redirect the page.
Moitio (talk) 22:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree to having it done soon so no further effort would be lost in mantaining to sets of articles. I believe the article per episode format is better. If it is considered too much work to merge each episode maybe only the longest version or at least the one to which more people contributed should be kept. JunCTionS 13:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, merge the two. It's just repetitive right now. Einbierbitte 17:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, this page is useless. The Other site is longer, better and at the same time more comprehensive. Perhaps a vote would do the trick? -- The monkeyhate 11:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a reference to Widmore Industries in Fire+Water which is notable due to the company's increasing importance in the latter part of Season 2 (particularly the finale). I added a note to the Fire+Water note section referring to this. It also seemed odd to have it noted in The Whole Truth but not under the actual episode it appeared in. Thanks.-- Werthead 15:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Now it seems we're going backwards. The character name is "Ms. Klugh" and now it's back to "Miss Klugh" According to User:Kahlfin ABC has stated the name as Ms. Klugh (see the Talk page on the Others). Now this article is out of sync with the Episodes List arrticle, the Others article, and the Characters of Lost article. I'm going to change it back, but why bother? Einbierbitte 22:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The main Lost template is looking at major edits after the finale tonight, there has been some discussion on how the design should look like, and what the contents of the new template should be, the Current template is as follow
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I added a trivia for the episode. If I get time to, I will add a summary or someone can write it up and I can add to it. KSava 03:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm Brazilian and I have listened to the dialogue again and again to make sure of what they're saying. The trivia part is... they are listening to "Make Your Own Kind of Music" in the background! It's an instrumental, barely recognizable version, but it IS it. (anonymous, Brazil, June 1 2006)
The two men in the end of the last episode are speaking portuguese, with a brazilian accent. The actors themselves, however, most likely are not brazilians due to their natural accent. Also, Brazil has a permanent base in Antarctica, called Comandante Ferraz, which seems to be appropriate with the climate outside the men's tent. 201.79.102.152 03:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
(Same guy as topic above) One thing I can tell you: the words may even be considered Brazilian Portuguese (and they're not quite...), but that accent is not Brazilian at all! I mean, it's pretty obvious they are foreigners trying to speak Portuguese (as our friend above have said), but they are, for some reason, pushing it towards European Portuguese, and actually speaking none. For more info, please see this post: http://nctrnlbst-lost-n-found.blogspot.com/2006/05/lost-portugese-transcript-from-live.html (anonymous, Brazil, June 1 2006).
I have a new theory as to where the story of Lost may be heading. I believe there's a direct connection to the themes presented in Dan Simmons Sci-Fi series Ilium and Olympos. I first thought of it while watching part one of the season finale aired on May 24th 2006. As Sayid, Jin and Sun were sailing along the island, they saw the four toed remains of the statue. This reminded me of the statues on "Mars" that was being looked after by the Little Green Men (LGMs). Furthermore, Penelope is the name of Desmond's love in Lost. Penelope is Odysseus's wife who waited 20 years for his return from The Trojan_War. Ilium and Olympos was pretty much entirely based around that exact war with interdimensional twists etc etc. Based on this, I believe the characters on Lost are not in the same time or even the same universe as what is shown. Granted, this is similar to the Purgatory idea. The answer is no answer. Please discuss this, I'll get back here shortly.
The second season finale specified the exact date of the plane crash, suggesting that one could estimate if not know exactly the dates other episodes took place. (The Other 48 Days could be mapped out exactly). I'm sure Lost fans have been scrambling to try to specify dates for each episode, so the question is, should that be reflected in the Wikipedia descriptions/synopsis? I for one would like to see it: "This episode takes place between October 12th and 15th, 2004" is how it might read.
Incorrect, at least partially. We are told that the events of the pilot episode (the plane crash) take place on 22 September 2004. Thus we can date the pilot episode to 22 September 2004 exactly. That's not OR, that common sense. Working out dates for the other episodes is problematic in many cases (and there is a major continuity screw-up in one of the early Season 1 episodes about the dates) so should be avoided, but if we're told that an episode takes place exactly 48 days after the pilot, I see no problem listing the date for that (since it's an inarguable fact).-- Werthead 16:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Having only watched season one and not having access to season two I decided to read up on the whole thing here. However, in "The Long Con" this sentence: "While Kate is reading to Sawyer, he mentions the army that Jack and Ana-Lucia are forming." is giving me problems. What army? There is no mention of an army at any point before this. It's a small omission but someone who knows that episode might want to fix it.
Y2Lance 13:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some conflict as to where information on each episode will be stored. I'd like a vote. The "losing" pages should be merged into the winners.
First of all, I don't this poll is necessary at all. To whoever made it, see WP:VIE (I know this isn't an official policy, but unless someone can refute it in this instance, we should abide by it). Voting is evil, and should be avoided unless there is no other way to settle a dispute. Second of all, as much as I myself would like to do away with the list, you can't say that the "losing" pages should be merged into the winners, because Wikipedia is not a majoritan democracy. It operates on consensus, and a majority is not a consensus. See WP:CON. Third, there has already been a poll at Talk:List of Lost episodes, and while I personally didn't think that it was a fair poll, unless this poll is different some how, I don't see any point to it. -- Kahlfin 06:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
We need to reach consensus. PLEASE comment here. -- Wikipedical 22:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
There is a consensus problem, as regards deciding whether episodes should be summarized on a single page for each episode, with links from a central List of Lost episodes page, vs. having a single page for a season, which then summarizes all episodes on that single season page. Currently effort is being duplicated, as episodes are being summarized twice -- once on individual pages, and again on the Season page. Attempts at achieving consensus to avoid this problem of forking, have not been successful, so a formal Request for Mediation has been submitted, which is at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#List of Lost episodes vs. Episodes of Lost (season 2). Editors who are interested in participating in the mediation discussion should please add their names to the page. -- Elonka 18:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you to everyone that participated in the successful mediation. :) Our next steps now are to smoothly implement the result. As part of the compromise, this Episodes of Lost (season 2) article will be gracefully phased out after its contents are merged into the episode articles, and replaced with a Lost (season 2), which will contain a summary of the main themes of Season 2. This will entail a lot of work, so I recommend that we coordinate here.
For my part, I'm going to start working down the episode list on this page, and ensuring that each episode summary is properly merged. Once I've doublechecked this, I'll go ahead and delete the summary from this page, but leave the {{ main}} link in its place, so that interested readers can still be directed to the episode article. Others may wish to help with these merges, or work on the new season page. I think if we all work together, we can get everything cleaned up before October 3rd, which is when the Lost (TV series) article is scheduled to be featured on the main Wikipedia page. Good luck! :) -- Elonka 06:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I've again reverted the insertion, under Trivia on Two For the Road in this article, of the gossip surrounding the two actors being arrested for drunk driving and whether or not that played into the producers deciding the characters would be killed off. This sort of stuff, even using Eonline as a source, is inappropriate to an encyclopedia overall, and certainly not appropriate for this particular article, which is meant to cover, in summary fashion, the plots of the episodes. Mentioning that "Many fans were also surprised by Michael's actions" is fancruft, and doesn't belong here. -- PKtm 14:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with PKtm that the alleged incidents should not be included. The bar is set VERY high for what is permissable to be published about a living person. Suggesting that each actress has troubles (plural) and not stating "alleged" could be construed libel. The show's creators say the character deaths were planned and not linked to the alleged incidents. End of story. These are episodic plot summaries, not speculations on the show's storyline and its influences. -- Sixtrojans 16:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
"Yes, it did get a bit bitter, mostly due to quick claims of 'vandalizing' and labeling others as 'conceited'. Please take some ownership."
The first being a claim I provided both a citation and a link for, the second being one in which I cited behavior on your part. I only made such claims when given reason to, such as when you stated "I'm reverting it again, and will continue to do so [despite your stance on the matter]." When the "it" in question is a matter of two different stances on a subject (specifically, whether or not something verifiable should be included), your comment does come off as conceited. So why don't you yourself take ownership.
Regarding the quote you cite, it really just sounds like an excuse for an ad hominem. One does not need to "build trust through a history of good edits" or make things "easier for veteran users to assume good faith" in order to raise valid points; one needs only to provide links which display the validity of those points, which I've been doing from the start. You've ignored many of the points in those links (including the most recent ones about the vote) and have instead directed your comments toward me.
"Yet, you somehow feel that your views should prevail over people who have been wrestling with related issues here for a long time"
I do not feel that "my views" should previal; you know as well as I do that I've linked to policies for the points I've made. I have not linked to "my views." And regarding "people wrestling with related issues for a long time," policy states that no one has seniority over an article.
That's yet another link I've provided to validate a statement or counter one. What's the point of continuing this debate when you've done little of the same? You're getting your way, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a courtesy because I've raised many points, via citation, which have contradicted your own. -- 4.249.84.4 08:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
A routine move request was submitted on an episode article,
Fire + Water, to move it to a name that was more consistent with the other episode articles in
Category:Lost episodes, namely
Fire + Water (Lost). However, the move request has generated a surprising amount of controversy, so I am requesting further participation. Any editors who would like to offer an opinion on the matter, are encouraged to do so at
Talk:Fire + Water. --
Elonka
21:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC) (poll closed)
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The trivia for Lockdown currently contains a description of the "blast door map". However, there are many, many things that can be noted about the blast door map with the proper technology, such as the existence of other "dharma stations", translations of phrases from Latin, and phrases in english describing points on the island. Obviously, all of these should not be noted in the trivia, as they are not only fancruft and possibly original research but are also numerous enough to merit their own article. My question is: what, if anything, is notable trivia about the blast door map? Are the writings on the map notable at all? If so, where do we draw the line between general trivia and fancruft? I don't believe the current description is suitable, and I think it either needs to be lengthened, rephrased, or eliminated altogether . -- Kahlfin 18:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a fan of the idea that if you can't see it in real time it shouldn't be here. You can't see the constituents of an atom or the anatomy of a horse with the naked eye in real time yet it would be ridiculous to propose there removal from an encyclopedia. I know that there is a difference between science and fiction but I think anything that is on the show no matter whether it is shown for 10 seconds or 0.10 seconds is still part of the show and as an encyclopedia this is the place for it.
There is a clear difference between speculation about things on the show and things that are actually on the show such as the writings on the blast door. The question those who remove things from the page should ask themselves is "Is that information true" if the answer is yes they have no right to remove it.
Was the final flashback of the episode in fact Libby's flashback, not Hurley's? If this is so, shouldn't the Flashback: section be changed to read Hugo "Hurley" Reyes and Libby, like in Special? Squidward2602 11:31, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
--- you make a point that the episode is virtually all Hurley's flashbacks -- but it clearly includes one Libby flashback, so it is more inaccurate not to include hers in the table than to giver her equal billing (so to speak)... as for spoilers, if anyone wants to avoid spoilers they should not be reading this article... this is the very last article someone would be looking at if they wanted to avoid spoilers. 69.142.21.24 23:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
Honestly, I think it would only be Libby's flashback if Hurley didn't appear. I think that should be how we determine who's flashback it is. You take the episode that the character is centered around and list all of the flashbacks. Any flashback that doesn't feature that character should be listed. Rikkyc 02:05, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
It was at least 10:04 when this episode ended. Did anyone else notice that this episode was more than an hour long?
The normal length for one episode is about 42 minutes without commercials. This episode is about 45 minutes long.
147.229.222.8
21:21, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
the itunes download was 47:05 -- the longest of the season to date.
dmountain
07:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I dont see it in the source ... so how do I edit the table? Specifically, the flashback for Dave needs to be changed to Hurley & Libby, not just Hurley.
But I don't know how to edit a table either. MK2 09:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
I admit I haven't been active as much as I used to with editing Lost-related articles, but why on Earth do we have a page like this and seperate episode articles? We need to choose one or the other. We can't have both. I would consider this to be a top priority. K1Bond007 07:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed in several places, Rousseau is referred to as 'Rousseau', and in other places, as 'Danielle'. I would propose that we be consistent:
(Similarly, we should choose between John and Locke for John Locke, though there seems to be more consistency there on these pages.) Opinions? Bldxyz 17:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
~~ Simba 17:09, 13 April 2006 (UTC): I realize that LOST is extremely popular, I myself have become a fan and enjoy trying to solve the mystery of the island. Now, I'm a new user and as I was reading through the general guidelines and such for Wikipedia, an important thing came to mind -- is a page like this one really encyclopedia content? Ask yourself if a paper-based encyclopedia would give a minute-by-minute word-for-word of every episode of a television series. Many LOST fansites have popped up, and I'm certain that at least a few have play-by-plays for all the episodes. I even have a link to transcripts of all the episodes ( http://www.lost-tv.com/transcripts/).
Thus, I believe we should drastically shorten the length of this (and of the Episodes of Lost (season 1)) page, limiting each section to two paragraphs -- the first describing the flashback, and the second describing the events on the island. Trivia could also be added. Please vote on the matter. Since I'm new I've never held a poll, I don't know if I should vote in it. To be a gracious host, I will opt not to vote in my own poll. I invite a more experienced Wikipedian to copy-edit this poll to make it more Wikipedia-esque, perhaps with a voting area sectioned off. ~~~
~~ Simba 01:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC): Ahh, I'm sorry I didn't look through the archives first. Duly noted. I'll be sure to go and vote. Thanks. I must say, however, that I don't think a single episode summary doesn't violate the 500-word limit. I would like to "be bold" as it were and copy-edit the entire "Episodes of LOST" page (seasons one and two) but I'm worried I may be seen as stepping on toes. Then again, I supppose any editing I do can be re-edited or reverted...what do you think? ~~~
There was incorrect trivia for The 23rd Psalm. The "Dutch subtitles" mentioned are incorrect, Eko's brother is indeed named Yemi, as this is the name used in the credits and the official Guest Cast List. ShadowUltra 21:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
This article may be redirected as per a poll that will be conducted for the next seven days at Talk:List of Lost episodes#Poll: Which Lost-related Wikipedia articles should we keep?. -- M @ th wiz 20 20 13:32, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
I saw today that someone added Desmond as being the character flashbacks of Live Together, Die Alone and Michael being the character of Three Minutes, neithe rof these are confirmed. Who is it that has permission to edit the table? ShadowUltra 22:48, 28 April 2006 (UTC) Never mind, I figured it out. I removed Michael and Desmond from the table. ShadowUltra 22:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that somebody keeps adding 'Parts 1 and 2' to the Live Together, Die Alone section. While the episode lasts for two hours, has it ever been confirmed that they are in two parts? Should it not just be 'Live Together, Die Alone'? Until somebody presents me with evidence that it isn't, I am reverting it. 86.133.154.152 09:55, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Kristin said on this page that, in an interview with Damon Lindelof (which, by policy, is allowed as citable material):
So, can we put Locke and Eko as the flashbacks for "?" ? -- M @ th wiz 20 20 01:05, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Eko says to John in the Pearl after watching the orientation tape "shall we watch that again". Which is similar to what John says to Jack in the Swan but John has reversed roles and apparently lost his faith in the island.
^^^ I noticed that too. And I think that is notable. "Shall we watch that again" "I've seen enough" is word-for-word (i recall) the conversation John and Jack had after the first Orientation.
Sorry if this has been covered elsewhere or if theres some wikipedia policy on this that ive ignored, but...
The page about all the different episodes of lost is collosal, gargantuan. I sometimes like to look at wikipedia on my mobile or on my PSP and guess what? "Out of memory". I guess this doesnt affect people that use a PC (actually mine takes a while to load it and its sluggish scrolling around but its an old machine) to view it in quite the same way but even so wouldnt it be more sensible to create a list of episodes and a seperate page for each episode?
-- Timmywimmy 22:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
This article states that the fate of Ana and Libby is currently unknown, however in Ana-Lucia's article ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana-Luc%C3%ADa_Cortez) it is stated that she dies as of "Two for the Road".
Yes, and where is it absolutely proved that Ana-Lucia died in this episode? Did the producers keep her on Hawaii just to throw off any speculation that she would be leaving the show?
At least one of them is dead as it was revealed on the advert for the final few episodes on ABC.
However, ads for the shows are not considered verifiable sources, and sources need to be verifiable to make reference. Consider the shows that actually have aired as the source of information (and some accept the offical websites and Podcasts, too). Are either of them shown to be dead, as of the latest episode? No. Wounded and unconsious, sure, but dead... not yet. Bldxyz 23:35, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Has it been confirmed where Michael has shot himself? Judging from the last few frames of the latest episode (as of above date), it does appear that he shot himself in the left arm/shoulder area. If it has been confirmed, then please include a reference, otherwise, it must be changed back. - Charlie Marrow 23:46, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
There appears to be no mention in the episode articles about when the group abandoned the caves. There is several discussion of "back at the caves", but then we don't read about them again until the recap for "Dave" in which Hurley announced he is going to move to the "now empty caves." For someone reading along, they might wonder when and why the caves are now empty. -- spacemonkey4 10:20, 9 May 2006
Someone on TV.com said that Michael is wearing a different shirt from The Hunting Party to Two for the Road. They said he is wearing an orange shirt when he goes off and then wears a plaid buttoned shirt when he comes back. I thought he was wearing the same shirt.- JustPhil 13:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
here is some extanded summarys i found and i want you to decide if you want them add to this page ok
Three Minutes: A determined Michael convinces Jack and several castaways to help him rescue Walt from "The Others." With Jack away, Locke is left in charge of the hatch and must decide if he should believe Henry and not push the button, risking everyone's safety. Meanwhile, the events that happened to Michael after he left are finally revealed. Lastly, Meanwhile, Charlie struggles with Eko's decision to discontinue building the church.
Live Together, Die Alone: After discovering something odd just offshore, Jack and Sayid come up with a plan to confront "The Others" and hopefully get Walt back. At the same time there will be an answer to the question of where Michael has been and resolution of him and Walt. Meanwhile, Eko and Locke come to blows as Locke makes a potentially cataclysmic decision regarding the "button" and the hatch. Lastly, Desmond returns and he sheds some more light on his experience on the island in the three years prior to when Locke came down into that hatch.
LeafGreen Ranger 12:40, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Just watched the ep and then read the summary on this article (so that i get all the points) and it is not mentioned that in the orientation video the Dr Guy (i'm not very good with names) says that they should put all full notebooks in the tube and they will "be transported directly to us" that must be important and worth noting as it has many possible affects on the possible outcome of the plot. TheEnlightened 20:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
In the trivia section of the this episode someone has written that Locke is able to make an impression into the concrete wall when he hits it with his fist. To me it doesn't look like concrete at all but just some soft wall covering.
Agree or disagree? Should this comment be removed? -- 81.106.138.21 11:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I thought it was some form of plasterboard covering for the wall, possibly to enclose the TVs. I saw that piece of Trivia but I was too lazy to remove it. I think it's pretty dumb to say that Locke (An old desk-jocky that's been crippled three times and is currently on crutches) can punch a huge indentation in a solid concrete wall without even trying. I say get rid of it, but I'm too lazy to download the episode and watch it again to check closer. Erm, I mean, I'm too lazy to find the video I recorded off the TV, downloading episodes off the internet is bad... -- Simondrake 13:55, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It does appear to be a soft & padded vinyl covering, much the same as they put into padded cells - Charlie Marrow 19:31, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
To me, the wall just shakes when Locke hits the wall. It might have been a fault in set construction...or maybe, there is something secret going on behind that wall...- JustPhil 21:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
I think it's original research to say what the wall is made of, as we have no way of knowing right now. Therefore, we shouldn't say it. -- Kahlfin 18:45, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
In the "The Other 48 Days" part of the article, it opens up saying there is a "black man" and "Latina Woman," and a "blonde woman."
Now, why do we have to say its a black guy and latina woman? Truth is he was black and she was Latina, but we do not say "white woman with blonde hair."
In fact, I see no reason for there to be any mention of race to open up the section.
And just so you know, Im a white guy, and even I think its racist that when the show opened up the person who wrote this article first thought black and latina.
why is this page so long? you have individual pages for the episodes, you dont need the entire summaries here... someone should shorten them down and add a table (a la Battlestar Galactica or Stargate SG-1) - Xornok 23:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
This section should be deleted. The same information is presented better here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lost_episodes.
Notice how Ms. Klugh wrote down Hugo instead or Hurley, and James instead of Sawyer, yet she did not write down Kate's full name - Katherine.
It has been suggested that this article be merged into List of Lost episodes, and the truth of the matter is that it has. List of Lost episodes is as comprehensive, if not more comprehensive than this article. This article is far far too long for Wikipedia, and the format in which it is layed out is confusing and irritating.
The main Lost article doesn't even actually point to here, so the only people who refer to this are people . Would the editors of this page please, please let go, and help contribute to the List of Lost episodes article. Having two points of reference is a pointless waste of time.
Come to an agreement and let me redirect the page.
Moitio (talk) 22:50, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I agree to having it done soon so no further effort would be lost in mantaining to sets of articles. I believe the article per episode format is better. If it is considered too much work to merge each episode maybe only the longest version or at least the one to which more people contributed should be kept. JunCTionS 13:56, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, merge the two. It's just repetitive right now. Einbierbitte 17:45, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Agreed, this page is useless. The Other site is longer, better and at the same time more comprehensive. Perhaps a vote would do the trick? -- The monkeyhate 11:20, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
There is a reference to Widmore Industries in Fire+Water which is notable due to the company's increasing importance in the latter part of Season 2 (particularly the finale). I added a note to the Fire+Water note section referring to this. It also seemed odd to have it noted in The Whole Truth but not under the actual episode it appeared in. Thanks.-- Werthead 15:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Now it seems we're going backwards. The character name is "Ms. Klugh" and now it's back to "Miss Klugh" According to User:Kahlfin ABC has stated the name as Ms. Klugh (see the Talk page on the Others). Now this article is out of sync with the Episodes List arrticle, the Others article, and the Characters of Lost article. I'm going to change it back, but why bother? Einbierbitte 22:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
The main Lost template is looking at major edits after the finale tonight, there has been some discussion on how the design should look like, and what the contents of the new template should be, the Current template is as follow
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I added a trivia for the episode. If I get time to, I will add a summary or someone can write it up and I can add to it. KSava 03:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm Brazilian and I have listened to the dialogue again and again to make sure of what they're saying. The trivia part is... they are listening to "Make Your Own Kind of Music" in the background! It's an instrumental, barely recognizable version, but it IS it. (anonymous, Brazil, June 1 2006)
The two men in the end of the last episode are speaking portuguese, with a brazilian accent. The actors themselves, however, most likely are not brazilians due to their natural accent. Also, Brazil has a permanent base in Antarctica, called Comandante Ferraz, which seems to be appropriate with the climate outside the men's tent. 201.79.102.152 03:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
(Same guy as topic above) One thing I can tell you: the words may even be considered Brazilian Portuguese (and they're not quite...), but that accent is not Brazilian at all! I mean, it's pretty obvious they are foreigners trying to speak Portuguese (as our friend above have said), but they are, for some reason, pushing it towards European Portuguese, and actually speaking none. For more info, please see this post: http://nctrnlbst-lost-n-found.blogspot.com/2006/05/lost-portugese-transcript-from-live.html (anonymous, Brazil, June 1 2006).
I have a new theory as to where the story of Lost may be heading. I believe there's a direct connection to the themes presented in Dan Simmons Sci-Fi series Ilium and Olympos. I first thought of it while watching part one of the season finale aired on May 24th 2006. As Sayid, Jin and Sun were sailing along the island, they saw the four toed remains of the statue. This reminded me of the statues on "Mars" that was being looked after by the Little Green Men (LGMs). Furthermore, Penelope is the name of Desmond's love in Lost. Penelope is Odysseus's wife who waited 20 years for his return from The Trojan_War. Ilium and Olympos was pretty much entirely based around that exact war with interdimensional twists etc etc. Based on this, I believe the characters on Lost are not in the same time or even the same universe as what is shown. Granted, this is similar to the Purgatory idea. The answer is no answer. Please discuss this, I'll get back here shortly.
The second season finale specified the exact date of the plane crash, suggesting that one could estimate if not know exactly the dates other episodes took place. (The Other 48 Days could be mapped out exactly). I'm sure Lost fans have been scrambling to try to specify dates for each episode, so the question is, should that be reflected in the Wikipedia descriptions/synopsis? I for one would like to see it: "This episode takes place between October 12th and 15th, 2004" is how it might read.
Incorrect, at least partially. We are told that the events of the pilot episode (the plane crash) take place on 22 September 2004. Thus we can date the pilot episode to 22 September 2004 exactly. That's not OR, that common sense. Working out dates for the other episodes is problematic in many cases (and there is a major continuity screw-up in one of the early Season 1 episodes about the dates) so should be avoided, but if we're told that an episode takes place exactly 48 days after the pilot, I see no problem listing the date for that (since it's an inarguable fact).-- Werthead 16:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Having only watched season one and not having access to season two I decided to read up on the whole thing here. However, in "The Long Con" this sentence: "While Kate is reading to Sawyer, he mentions the army that Jack and Ana-Lucia are forming." is giving me problems. What army? There is no mention of an army at any point before this. It's a small omission but someone who knows that episode might want to fix it.
Y2Lance 13:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
There seems to be some conflict as to where information on each episode will be stored. I'd like a vote. The "losing" pages should be merged into the winners.
First of all, I don't this poll is necessary at all. To whoever made it, see WP:VIE (I know this isn't an official policy, but unless someone can refute it in this instance, we should abide by it). Voting is evil, and should be avoided unless there is no other way to settle a dispute. Second of all, as much as I myself would like to do away with the list, you can't say that the "losing" pages should be merged into the winners, because Wikipedia is not a majoritan democracy. It operates on consensus, and a majority is not a consensus. See WP:CON. Third, there has already been a poll at Talk:List of Lost episodes, and while I personally didn't think that it was a fair poll, unless this poll is different some how, I don't see any point to it. -- Kahlfin 06:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
We need to reach consensus. PLEASE comment here. -- Wikipedical 22:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
There is a consensus problem, as regards deciding whether episodes should be summarized on a single page for each episode, with links from a central List of Lost episodes page, vs. having a single page for a season, which then summarizes all episodes on that single season page. Currently effort is being duplicated, as episodes are being summarized twice -- once on individual pages, and again on the Season page. Attempts at achieving consensus to avoid this problem of forking, have not been successful, so a formal Request for Mediation has been submitted, which is at Wikipedia:Requests for mediation#List of Lost episodes vs. Episodes of Lost (season 2). Editors who are interested in participating in the mediation discussion should please add their names to the page. -- Elonka 18:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you to everyone that participated in the successful mediation. :) Our next steps now are to smoothly implement the result. As part of the compromise, this Episodes of Lost (season 2) article will be gracefully phased out after its contents are merged into the episode articles, and replaced with a Lost (season 2), which will contain a summary of the main themes of Season 2. This will entail a lot of work, so I recommend that we coordinate here.
For my part, I'm going to start working down the episode list on this page, and ensuring that each episode summary is properly merged. Once I've doublechecked this, I'll go ahead and delete the summary from this page, but leave the {{ main}} link in its place, so that interested readers can still be directed to the episode article. Others may wish to help with these merges, or work on the new season page. I think if we all work together, we can get everything cleaned up before October 3rd, which is when the Lost (TV series) article is scheduled to be featured on the main Wikipedia page. Good luck! :) -- Elonka 06:10, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
I've again reverted the insertion, under Trivia on Two For the Road in this article, of the gossip surrounding the two actors being arrested for drunk driving and whether or not that played into the producers deciding the characters would be killed off. This sort of stuff, even using Eonline as a source, is inappropriate to an encyclopedia overall, and certainly not appropriate for this particular article, which is meant to cover, in summary fashion, the plots of the episodes. Mentioning that "Many fans were also surprised by Michael's actions" is fancruft, and doesn't belong here. -- PKtm 14:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with PKtm that the alleged incidents should not be included. The bar is set VERY high for what is permissable to be published about a living person. Suggesting that each actress has troubles (plural) and not stating "alleged" could be construed libel. The show's creators say the character deaths were planned and not linked to the alleged incidents. End of story. These are episodic plot summaries, not speculations on the show's storyline and its influences. -- Sixtrojans 16:14, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
"Yes, it did get a bit bitter, mostly due to quick claims of 'vandalizing' and labeling others as 'conceited'. Please take some ownership."
The first being a claim I provided both a citation and a link for, the second being one in which I cited behavior on your part. I only made such claims when given reason to, such as when you stated "I'm reverting it again, and will continue to do so [despite your stance on the matter]." When the "it" in question is a matter of two different stances on a subject (specifically, whether or not something verifiable should be included), your comment does come off as conceited. So why don't you yourself take ownership.
Regarding the quote you cite, it really just sounds like an excuse for an ad hominem. One does not need to "build trust through a history of good edits" or make things "easier for veteran users to assume good faith" in order to raise valid points; one needs only to provide links which display the validity of those points, which I've been doing from the start. You've ignored many of the points in those links (including the most recent ones about the vote) and have instead directed your comments toward me.
"Yet, you somehow feel that your views should prevail over people who have been wrestling with related issues here for a long time"
I do not feel that "my views" should previal; you know as well as I do that I've linked to policies for the points I've made. I have not linked to "my views." And regarding "people wrestling with related issues for a long time," policy states that no one has seniority over an article.
That's yet another link I've provided to validate a statement or counter one. What's the point of continuing this debate when you've done little of the same? You're getting your way, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a courtesy because I've raised many points, via citation, which have contradicted your own. -- 4.249.84.4 08:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
A routine move request was submitted on an episode article,
Fire + Water, to move it to a name that was more consistent with the other episode articles in
Category:Lost episodes, namely
Fire + Water (Lost). However, the move request has generated a surprising amount of controversy, so I am requesting further participation. Any editors who would like to offer an opinion on the matter, are encouraged to do so at
Talk:Fire + Water. --
Elonka
21:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC) (poll closed)