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I don't think Kwon is Sun-Soo Kwon's last name, in Korea, women do not take the last name of their husbands, so you name would really be PAIK Sun-Soo 65.27.72.197 03:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Minnesota
Shouldn't we mention the release of the first season DVD and the Lost magazine here?
The image used on the main page seems to be changing pretty rapidly nowadays. Perhaps there should be some discussion as to what image to use, instead of people changing it as they see fit?
Images I can remember which have been used in the past on this page are:
People seem to have ranging opinions on this. -- Tomcage9 22:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I made a couple of changes to the cast list, but they were reverted, and I've reverted them back. Michelle Rodriguez appears in "Exodus" part 1; I just watched it last night. And if "enough time has passed that we can publicly refer to Boone in the past tense", then we need to add a spoiler warning to the cast list section, or else we'll ruin part of the series for those who haven't seen it yet. I've been watching season 1 for the first time, and came to this article to learn more about the cast. Listing Boone as only appearing in season 1 makes it pretty obvious that he doesn't survive to make it into season 2. I imagine there are plenty of people who haven't watched the show at all yet that might accidentally have that spoiled for them. a ndroid 79 20:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Kate as Hitchcock leading ladies ? What do you all think about adding something about the (to me) obvious allusion to Alfred Hitchcock’s films Marnie and Psycho in Kate's first flashback in "Born to run" ?
The changing of hair colour and car plates reminded me very much of Marni and how she changes her hair colour and social security card (the visual of the car plates in the trunk and the collection of Social Security Card is quite similar) and of course the shower in motel room scene has resemblance to the famous shower scene in Psycho.
Now, this would not be all that interesting, had it not been that both Marnie and Marion Crane are criminals, stealing from their employers and these scenes actually symbolizes how they deal with their crime. (Marnie- by changing her identity, Marion- by trying to clean it off), and the fact that they are criminals, but the viewers sympathies lies with them, and not the victims. I think this is an important part of the character Kate, and I think these allusions were used deliberately.
I would like to hear other people's opinions on this.
P.s. I'm sorry. it was me who added the speculation's to the black and white part. I should of course have added it here..
I saw on this page someone had added 2004-2005 to Shannon's character description, and also on the page about her character specifically, it says that she was killed by the shot.
Are we 100% certain that she is deceased? On this show, I'd rather err on the side of caution, and say at most that she appears to have been killed.
I think Shannon's funeral in episode 9 of season 2 (What Kate Did) kinda confirms she's dead.
Could anyone add something about the actual philosophies of John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau? I know at least that Rousseau believed civilization was restricting man from his true nature, civilization vs. nature is a big theme on the show.
Hah! I found it and you didn't! http://www.kraftkost.com/pages/1/index.htm -- 159.134.54.161 22:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I guess didn't find it first, huh? Sorry. Oh, and sorry for being a bit impolite. To apologise, I'll you that you are wrong: The driveshaft website is a fan-made website masquerading as an offical tie-in site. -- Occono 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone recognize the >: prompt from the mainframe's terminal as typical of some operating system from the late 60s/early 70s? I've been wondering if there are any keys as to the possible utility of the computer (despite what the video warns of) there. In "What Kate Did" Michael is seen fiddling with some cables right before Walt starts talking, and several episodes back Sayid of course fixed the machine after its display got shot out (or got buckshot through one of the mainboards? I forget), but other than this there has been no other inquiry into this potentially huge source of information for the castaways. -- 70.224.39.162 12:06, 4 December 2005 (UTC)StarKruzr
[Talk comment moved from article to here]
- Dear whoever writes this article, (by the way you do a great job and I check for updates everyday!) I realized that the numbers also have a significance in history: my example, Julius Caesar was stabbed 23 times on March 15, 44 B.C. Strange huh? I read that these numbers come from Stephen King, I think you said? So maybe that influenced his idea for the numbers. Well I thought that and knew you would be the person to talk to about it. Keep up the great work! David Hoover (revoohdivad@yahoo.com) P.S. if you have time drop me a message! 24.18.131.87 06:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Should we use ABC's official episoide summaries, as opposed to our own. They are just as long and descriptive... User:Synflame 11:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Now, I've been a leading proponent of the "Lost takes place in 2004" theory on some other sites, especially thanks to the Red Sox thing, but after reading all over the place (but, admittedly, never seeing the primary source) that Damon Lindelof has made it a specific point in an interview that we should not assume the flight crashed in 2004, we cannot be posting that information on the page. If anyone can find the source where Damon said this, it would be appreciated. I'm trying to track it down on The Fuselage myself, but the point remains... it is speculation to say that the island events are transpiring in 2004. Baryonyx 04:38, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Jack was flying home from Australia, where the Red Sox win might not have made the news and he might not have been interested in the sports pages anyway, given the reason he was there. Since it's a saying of his dad's, there's also no reason to believe that Jack would follow the Red Sox or have any interest in sports. How long was his dad gone? He could have left the night before this big Red Sox game. So...around Halloween 2004 maybe, but not definitely before.
Lost desperately needs a CONCISE summary of the events so far. It took me half an hour to read through all of Season One. How about we - and by 'we' I mean 'you' - draw up three separate history summaries; one for each group. The Survivors, the Tail-end Survivors (they get their own episode this Wednesday) and the Dharma Initiative's bunker people. And maybe one for The Others later on if we ever figure out who or what they are. - Litefantastic 04:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I added a section called "Fan Theories" which listed some common fan theories about what the island is, and Baryonyx deleted it saying: "Removed theory section as speculation, in addition to being content we decided to remove months ago." I wasn't here for that discussion months ago, but I don't see why it shouldn't be included in the article. Fan theories are an important aspect of the show, and the theories I listed are ones that I have, as a fact (not speculation) seen many times in forums, blogs, columns, etc. Any person trying to learn about Lost would be missing a central point if they didn't know at least some of the fan theories. -- 207.172.73.17 23:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
For reference, here is the section that was deleted:
Common Theories
Fans of Lost have come up with many theories about where the survivors really are, including:
1. The survivors are all dead.
Corollary: They are in Purgatory.
Status: The show's creative team have discredited this theory many times.2. The survivors are in a time warp.
Corollaries: The island or the survivors are from the distant future or distant past, the flashbacks show future events, etc.
Status: The creative team has confirmed that the episodes on the island happen in real time from the point of the crash. That does not pinpoint when the plane crashed, nor does it say anything about what the islanders dream or see in flashbacks. But the characters do not "time travel" per se.3. Spaceships or space aliens influence the show.
Corollary: The survivors are being experimented on in an environment created by aliens.
Status: The creative team has confirmed that no spaceships or aliens are involved.4. The show is all a fictional reality taking placing in someone or multiple people's minds.
Corollaries: The island is a creation of Walt or Locke's imagination, or it is created by the collective subconscience of the survivors.
Status: The creative team has confirmed that the show is taking place in reality, not a fictional reality in someone's brain.5. The crash was faked or happened differently.
Status: Unresolved.6. The strange phenomena of the island, as well as the plane crash, can be explained by its strange electromagnetism.
Status: Unresolved.7. The island is all a psychological experiment to see how the survivors react to their surroundings. The survivors are being manipulated by the experimenters.
Status: Unresolved.8. The island is a result of nanotechnology, i.e. it is microscopic.
Status: Unresolved.9. The strange occurences of the island, including the plane crash, are a result of the mysterious numbers.
Status: Unresolved.10. The creators have no idea what the island is or where the story is going.
Status: They say they know what the island is and how the show will end.
While such an extensive list does come off as Original Research, a mention that the series engenders extensive theories may be appropriate, and examples of theories discredited by the show's creators would seem verifiable content. The "unresolved" items, however, are pure OR. — LeFlyman 23:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
black and white theme: is there anything in Claire taking off a white top and revealing her black dress though the 1st series? Monkus 16:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I get the reasoning behind not adding a section with fan theories, but shouldn't there be a section listing the unresolved mysteries/questions of Lost, since this is based on the show itself and not speculation? The mysteries are such a central part of the show, so I think they're worthy of being summarized in a new section. Does anyone mind if I start this?-- 207.172.73.17 23:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it really the case that a single sentence ("Lost is an American drama/adventure television series set in the aftermath of a plane crash on a mysterious tropical island in the South Pacific.") and an infobox is all I can read about this series without encountering a spoiler?
P.S. If you are interested in this topic in the broader sense, as it applies to spoilers in any Wikipedia article, see Wikipedia talk:Policies and guidelines#Spoilers; 66.167.253.58 07:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC).
Questionariffic: Is this section going to start turning into the DVD version of Airdates of Lost? How many countries will be included here? Is such information encyclopedically significant? -- LeFlyman 23:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is there more than one episode list?, I think that compiling both and all seasons into one list would be much better. 68.6.112.70 07:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I would advocate for it's removal. You can manipulate any set of numbers to equal other numbers in general, and it seems rather ridiculous and unintended. User:Synflame
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | ← | Archive 3 | Archive 4 | Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | → | Archive 10 |
This archive page covers approximately the dates between mid-Novemeber 2005 and mid-December 2005.
Post replies to the main talk page, copying the section you are replying to if necessary. (See Wikipedia:How to archive a talk page.)
I don't think Kwon is Sun-Soo Kwon's last name, in Korea, women do not take the last name of their husbands, so you name would really be PAIK Sun-Soo 65.27.72.197 03:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)Minnesota
Shouldn't we mention the release of the first season DVD and the Lost magazine here?
The image used on the main page seems to be changing pretty rapidly nowadays. Perhaps there should be some discussion as to what image to use, instead of people changing it as they see fit?
Images I can remember which have been used in the past on this page are:
People seem to have ranging opinions on this. -- Tomcage9 22:32, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I made a couple of changes to the cast list, but they were reverted, and I've reverted them back. Michelle Rodriguez appears in "Exodus" part 1; I just watched it last night. And if "enough time has passed that we can publicly refer to Boone in the past tense", then we need to add a spoiler warning to the cast list section, or else we'll ruin part of the series for those who haven't seen it yet. I've been watching season 1 for the first time, and came to this article to learn more about the cast. Listing Boone as only appearing in season 1 makes it pretty obvious that he doesn't survive to make it into season 2. I imagine there are plenty of people who haven't watched the show at all yet that might accidentally have that spoiled for them. a ndroid 79 20:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
Kate as Hitchcock leading ladies ? What do you all think about adding something about the (to me) obvious allusion to Alfred Hitchcock’s films Marnie and Psycho in Kate's first flashback in "Born to run" ?
The changing of hair colour and car plates reminded me very much of Marni and how she changes her hair colour and social security card (the visual of the car plates in the trunk and the collection of Social Security Card is quite similar) and of course the shower in motel room scene has resemblance to the famous shower scene in Psycho.
Now, this would not be all that interesting, had it not been that both Marnie and Marion Crane are criminals, stealing from their employers and these scenes actually symbolizes how they deal with their crime. (Marnie- by changing her identity, Marion- by trying to clean it off), and the fact that they are criminals, but the viewers sympathies lies with them, and not the victims. I think this is an important part of the character Kate, and I think these allusions were used deliberately.
I would like to hear other people's opinions on this.
P.s. I'm sorry. it was me who added the speculation's to the black and white part. I should of course have added it here..
I saw on this page someone had added 2004-2005 to Shannon's character description, and also on the page about her character specifically, it says that she was killed by the shot.
Are we 100% certain that she is deceased? On this show, I'd rather err on the side of caution, and say at most that she appears to have been killed.
I think Shannon's funeral in episode 9 of season 2 (What Kate Did) kinda confirms she's dead.
Could anyone add something about the actual philosophies of John Locke and Jean-Jacques Rousseau? I know at least that Rousseau believed civilization was restricting man from his true nature, civilization vs. nature is a big theme on the show.
Hah! I found it and you didn't! http://www.kraftkost.com/pages/1/index.htm -- 159.134.54.161 22:30, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Oh, I guess didn't find it first, huh? Sorry. Oh, and sorry for being a bit impolite. To apologise, I'll you that you are wrong: The driveshaft website is a fan-made website masquerading as an offical tie-in site. -- Occono 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone recognize the >: prompt from the mainframe's terminal as typical of some operating system from the late 60s/early 70s? I've been wondering if there are any keys as to the possible utility of the computer (despite what the video warns of) there. In "What Kate Did" Michael is seen fiddling with some cables right before Walt starts talking, and several episodes back Sayid of course fixed the machine after its display got shot out (or got buckshot through one of the mainboards? I forget), but other than this there has been no other inquiry into this potentially huge source of information for the castaways. -- 70.224.39.162 12:06, 4 December 2005 (UTC)StarKruzr
[Talk comment moved from article to here]
- Dear whoever writes this article, (by the way you do a great job and I check for updates everyday!) I realized that the numbers also have a significance in history: my example, Julius Caesar was stabbed 23 times on March 15, 44 B.C. Strange huh? I read that these numbers come from Stephen King, I think you said? So maybe that influenced his idea for the numbers. Well I thought that and knew you would be the person to talk to about it. Keep up the great work! David Hoover (revoohdivad@yahoo.com) P.S. if you have time drop me a message! 24.18.131.87 06:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Should we use ABC's official episoide summaries, as opposed to our own. They are just as long and descriptive... User:Synflame 11:40, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Now, I've been a leading proponent of the "Lost takes place in 2004" theory on some other sites, especially thanks to the Red Sox thing, but after reading all over the place (but, admittedly, never seeing the primary source) that Damon Lindelof has made it a specific point in an interview that we should not assume the flight crashed in 2004, we cannot be posting that information on the page. If anyone can find the source where Damon said this, it would be appreciated. I'm trying to track it down on The Fuselage myself, but the point remains... it is speculation to say that the island events are transpiring in 2004. Baryonyx 04:38, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Jack was flying home from Australia, where the Red Sox win might not have made the news and he might not have been interested in the sports pages anyway, given the reason he was there. Since it's a saying of his dad's, there's also no reason to believe that Jack would follow the Red Sox or have any interest in sports. How long was his dad gone? He could have left the night before this big Red Sox game. So...around Halloween 2004 maybe, but not definitely before.
Lost desperately needs a CONCISE summary of the events so far. It took me half an hour to read through all of Season One. How about we - and by 'we' I mean 'you' - draw up three separate history summaries; one for each group. The Survivors, the Tail-end Survivors (they get their own episode this Wednesday) and the Dharma Initiative's bunker people. And maybe one for The Others later on if we ever figure out who or what they are. - Litefantastic 04:48, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
I added a section called "Fan Theories" which listed some common fan theories about what the island is, and Baryonyx deleted it saying: "Removed theory section as speculation, in addition to being content we decided to remove months ago." I wasn't here for that discussion months ago, but I don't see why it shouldn't be included in the article. Fan theories are an important aspect of the show, and the theories I listed are ones that I have, as a fact (not speculation) seen many times in forums, blogs, columns, etc. Any person trying to learn about Lost would be missing a central point if they didn't know at least some of the fan theories. -- 207.172.73.17 23:30, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
For reference, here is the section that was deleted:
Common Theories
Fans of Lost have come up with many theories about where the survivors really are, including:
1. The survivors are all dead.
Corollary: They are in Purgatory.
Status: The show's creative team have discredited this theory many times.2. The survivors are in a time warp.
Corollaries: The island or the survivors are from the distant future or distant past, the flashbacks show future events, etc.
Status: The creative team has confirmed that the episodes on the island happen in real time from the point of the crash. That does not pinpoint when the plane crashed, nor does it say anything about what the islanders dream or see in flashbacks. But the characters do not "time travel" per se.3. Spaceships or space aliens influence the show.
Corollary: The survivors are being experimented on in an environment created by aliens.
Status: The creative team has confirmed that no spaceships or aliens are involved.4. The show is all a fictional reality taking placing in someone or multiple people's minds.
Corollaries: The island is a creation of Walt or Locke's imagination, or it is created by the collective subconscience of the survivors.
Status: The creative team has confirmed that the show is taking place in reality, not a fictional reality in someone's brain.5. The crash was faked or happened differently.
Status: Unresolved.6. The strange phenomena of the island, as well as the plane crash, can be explained by its strange electromagnetism.
Status: Unresolved.7. The island is all a psychological experiment to see how the survivors react to their surroundings. The survivors are being manipulated by the experimenters.
Status: Unresolved.8. The island is a result of nanotechnology, i.e. it is microscopic.
Status: Unresolved.9. The strange occurences of the island, including the plane crash, are a result of the mysterious numbers.
Status: Unresolved.10. The creators have no idea what the island is or where the story is going.
Status: They say they know what the island is and how the show will end.
While such an extensive list does come off as Original Research, a mention that the series engenders extensive theories may be appropriate, and examples of theories discredited by the show's creators would seem verifiable content. The "unresolved" items, however, are pure OR. — LeFlyman 23:23, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
black and white theme: is there anything in Claire taking off a white top and revealing her black dress though the 1st series? Monkus 16:16, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I get the reasoning behind not adding a section with fan theories, but shouldn't there be a section listing the unresolved mysteries/questions of Lost, since this is based on the show itself and not speculation? The mysteries are such a central part of the show, so I think they're worthy of being summarized in a new section. Does anyone mind if I start this?-- 207.172.73.17 23:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Is it really the case that a single sentence ("Lost is an American drama/adventure television series set in the aftermath of a plane crash on a mysterious tropical island in the South Pacific.") and an infobox is all I can read about this series without encountering a spoiler?
P.S. If you are interested in this topic in the broader sense, as it applies to spoilers in any Wikipedia article, see Wikipedia talk:Policies and guidelines#Spoilers; 66.167.253.58 07:12, 4 December 2005 (UTC).
Questionariffic: Is this section going to start turning into the DVD version of Airdates of Lost? How many countries will be included here? Is such information encyclopedically significant? -- LeFlyman 23:02, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Why is there more than one episode list?, I think that compiling both and all seasons into one list would be much better. 68.6.112.70 07:57, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
I would advocate for it's removal. You can manipulate any set of numbers to equal other numbers in general, and it seems rather ridiculous and unintended. User:Synflame