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Why is the name of this article not Loriot? Madonna's article isn't Ciccone or Ritchie, either. I propose renaming as per this. -- 345Kai ( talk) 11:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I absolutely agree! -- OberMegaTrans ( talk) 17:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Pinging Mianreg ( talk · contribs) OberMegaTrans ( talk · contribs) Michael Bednarek ( talk · contribs) 345Kai ( talk · contribs) IIIraute ( talk · contribs). I expanded and cleaned up Loriot (for now the disambig page) to reflect that VvB is the main topic of interest under the name Loriot. This is supported by the Wikipedia traffic statistics. As per WP:NAME and suggested above, I support moving VvB to "Loriot" and "Loriot" to "Loriot (disambiguation)", plus a hat note on the new Loriot page. I will place a move request at WP:RMT in a couple days if nobody objects.- Ich ( talk) 08:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
OK, so there's been some back and forth about how to translate the beautiful Loriot quote about his influences: "Ich weiß, als ich anfing zu studieren, wohnte ich zwischen dem Irrenhaus, dem Zuchthaus und dem Friedhof. Allein die Lage wird es gewesen sein, glaube ich." This understatement is not easy to capture, so I'd propose: the location alone explains everything, I think. If you want to stay as close to the German original as possible, I think the location alone did it, I suppose or it could only have been the location, I guess captures the German tone more closely than the current the location alone has been it, I think. (Sagen Sie jetzt nichts, Hildegard.) Cheers, Mabuse ( talk) 16:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the phrase "the location alone has been it, I think" doesn't make sense in English -- it's a literal translation of an idiomatic expression which loses much of the meaning because we don't use the same words to express this particular idiom in English. As for a proper translation: "wird es gewesen sein" doesn't just mean "that's how it happened" -- it has the shadings of an answer to an accusation -- as if, instead of being asked for his influences, he had been asked how he has ended up lying face down in a ditch. To really nail this shading, you need to express that slightly guilty self-deprecation. I propose a slight variation on Mabuse's formulation of "the location alone did it" -- instead, how about "the location alone is what did it"? This ever-so-slightly implies an unstated question about a slightly dubious actor, insinuating that the real question isn't "what are your influences?" but the rather less sycophantic "how on earth did you end up this way?" As for ending it "I suppose" -- "I think" doesn't exactly match what Loriot is saying here, I think -- this is a bit tricky. I think that if he hadn't said "Allein" at the beginning of the sentence, you could get away with "I think," because it tends to imply a weakening of the clause it follows -- that is, adding "I think" makes it feel like he's modulating his confidence in his opinion downward, and I don't think that's what "glaube ich" is doing in the original German. I agree with "I suppose", because it has a hint of resignation which works beautifully with the humor of the sentence, and has an air of self-deprecation. Tempest67 ( talk) 18:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello Tempest67,
What do you think? 84.137.98.176 ( talk) 20:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you're right - the first line should be changed to "I know when I started studying" not "I remember." But I'd still go with "I suppose" instead of "I think." "Suppose" indicates the assumption that something is the case without proof and works well against the definitive "Ich weiß," so it conveys the shift in certainty.
Mabuse ( talk) 13:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC) PS: what could work instead of "I suppose" as well here is "I imagine" -- more self-deprecating and less conjectural. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabuse ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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Why is the name of this article not Loriot? Madonna's article isn't Ciccone or Ritchie, either. I propose renaming as per this. -- 345Kai ( talk) 11:49, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
I absolutely agree! -- OberMegaTrans ( talk) 17:47, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Pinging Mianreg ( talk · contribs) OberMegaTrans ( talk · contribs) Michael Bednarek ( talk · contribs) 345Kai ( talk · contribs) IIIraute ( talk · contribs). I expanded and cleaned up Loriot (for now the disambig page) to reflect that VvB is the main topic of interest under the name Loriot. This is supported by the Wikipedia traffic statistics. As per WP:NAME and suggested above, I support moving VvB to "Loriot" and "Loriot" to "Loriot (disambiguation)", plus a hat note on the new Loriot page. I will place a move request at WP:RMT in a couple days if nobody objects.- Ich ( talk) 08:57, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
OK, so there's been some back and forth about how to translate the beautiful Loriot quote about his influences: "Ich weiß, als ich anfing zu studieren, wohnte ich zwischen dem Irrenhaus, dem Zuchthaus und dem Friedhof. Allein die Lage wird es gewesen sein, glaube ich." This understatement is not easy to capture, so I'd propose: the location alone explains everything, I think. If you want to stay as close to the German original as possible, I think the location alone did it, I suppose or it could only have been the location, I guess captures the German tone more closely than the current the location alone has been it, I think. (Sagen Sie jetzt nichts, Hildegard.) Cheers, Mabuse ( talk) 16:14, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the phrase "the location alone has been it, I think" doesn't make sense in English -- it's a literal translation of an idiomatic expression which loses much of the meaning because we don't use the same words to express this particular idiom in English. As for a proper translation: "wird es gewesen sein" doesn't just mean "that's how it happened" -- it has the shadings of an answer to an accusation -- as if, instead of being asked for his influences, he had been asked how he has ended up lying face down in a ditch. To really nail this shading, you need to express that slightly guilty self-deprecation. I propose a slight variation on Mabuse's formulation of "the location alone did it" -- instead, how about "the location alone is what did it"? This ever-so-slightly implies an unstated question about a slightly dubious actor, insinuating that the real question isn't "what are your influences?" but the rather less sycophantic "how on earth did you end up this way?" As for ending it "I suppose" -- "I think" doesn't exactly match what Loriot is saying here, I think -- this is a bit tricky. I think that if he hadn't said "Allein" at the beginning of the sentence, you could get away with "I think," because it tends to imply a weakening of the clause it follows -- that is, adding "I think" makes it feel like he's modulating his confidence in his opinion downward, and I don't think that's what "glaube ich" is doing in the original German. I agree with "I suppose", because it has a hint of resignation which works beautifully with the humor of the sentence, and has an air of self-deprecation. Tempest67 ( talk) 18:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
Hello Tempest67,
What do you think? 84.137.98.176 ( talk) 20:14, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Yes, you're right - the first line should be changed to "I know when I started studying" not "I remember." But I'd still go with "I suppose" instead of "I think." "Suppose" indicates the assumption that something is the case without proof and works well against the definitive "Ich weiß," so it conveys the shift in certainty.
Mabuse ( talk) 13:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC) PS: what could work instead of "I suppose" as well here is "I imagine" -- more self-deprecating and less conjectural. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mabuse ( talk • contribs) 13:29, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
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