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How do we know that the reference to a book about da Ponte removed today (5 December 2006) was just a commercial tie-in? Goochelaar 17:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
There's a problem here that I don't know how to fix. The page on bishops of Vittorio Veneto has a reference to Lorenzo Da Ponte, which redirects here, which is wrong, because it's about this Da Ponte's namesake, the bishop, and not about the librettist. 131.215.242.164 22:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The portrait attached to this article has been found, by User:Wetwassermann and with the support of User:ChristianBier, not to be of da Ponte at all, but of Beaumarchais [1]. See also here Hence it has today been deleted from the da Ponte article. Eebahgum ( talk) 22:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I restored my entry on Da Ponte in science ficiton, mainly because I like SF and resent all those who sort of snub it. Besides which, this isn't a commercial promotion, but a factual mention of the man's appearing in a novel. I didn't list the author, publisher, or price. I think Goochelaar just resents SF. Tham153 ( talk) 23:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Green-wood cemetery appears to have a memorial marker for da Ponte and Find-a-grave claims that he's buried in that cemetery at an unknown spot [2], but some quick googling doesn't find any substantive documentation of this. The 1922 dissertation "Da Ponte, Poet and Adventurer" p.138 [3] goes on at some length to say that da Ponte was buried in a Catholic cemetery at 11th st between 1st Ave and Ave. A (I think that means in lower Manhattan) but the exact location of his remains is unknown, and that a 19th century biographer (Krehbiel) had unsuccessfully search for his grave. Anyone know more about this, perhaps from more modern sources? I will add a cite request to the article for now. 67.117.145.149 ( talk) 02:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
208.87.248.162 ( talk) 04:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Should someone who converted to Roman Catholicism before coming to the US be in the American Jews cat. He was for many intents and purposes no longer a Jew by the time he became an American. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 07:05, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
208.87.248.162 ( talk) 04:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I boldly added the category "American Grocers" and it's been quickly removed with the comment "not notable for this". I am very, very unlikely to start an actual fist fight over this but I just wanted to comment: (1) that I do find it notable, or quirky, or worth noting or knowing, or something, that Mozart's librettist ran a grocery shop in the USA. It seems so unlikely and out-of-era that I wondered if it was not perhaps worth listing him as such. And if it's not, why is the fact in the article at all? The other point is (2) I know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (or whatever) is a pretty annoying argument but, actually, is he notable for all the other categories in which he is listed here? What exactly are the criteria for that notability? If we are strict on this I'd think there are very very few of them for which he's notable - they are just facts about him, perhaps interesting ones, perhaps not ... a bit like his having been a grocer! Ah, but this is where we came in ... I think I will go and make a nice cup of tea now. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 09:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this is not true. I know I've even read it in Burkholder's A History of Western Music but what about New Orleans? There Le Théâtre de la Rue Saint-Pierre functioning by the time of the Louisiana Purchase (1803) then Le Théâtre d'Orléans (1815), both long before the New York Opera Company and with the 2nd even being constructed after the Louisiana Purchase, making it unambiguously an American opera house. The only references I have are the other Wikipedia pages so I'm leery about changing anything unless someone with more knowledge on the subject can corroborate that New Orleans really gets slighted in write ups of American opera. Joshisanonymous ( talk) 15:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Lorenzo Da Ponte/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
The article includes many minor inaccuracies, too numerous to list here (example: he was never in Paris in his life). There are also a few important omissions, such as the fact that he built the first opera house in New York City.-- dunnhaupt 15:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 15:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 22:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
User:Johnsoniensis recently changed the article's DEFAULTSORT and |listas=
on this talk page from "Da Ponte, Lorenzo" to "Ponte, Lorenzo Da" (to nit pick, |listas=
was changed to |listas= Ponte, Lorenzo Da
with a leading space). I think that's wrong. Every other Wikipedia and Commons use "Da Ponte, Lorenzo". So do dictionaries and encyclopedias. The previous sort order ought to be restored. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 01:43, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I can't believe I had to read the whole article, carefully, in order to find out what year Da Ponte moved to USA. In a biographical article like this, EVERY sub-section which has a title like "American career" should say, in the FIRST sentence, WHEN his American career began, that is, when he moved there. I should be able to find a date like that without looking for more than FIVE SECONDS! Very grumpily yours, HandsomeMrToad ( talk) 18:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
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How do we know that the reference to a book about da Ponte removed today (5 December 2006) was just a commercial tie-in? Goochelaar 17:14, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
There's a problem here that I don't know how to fix. The page on bishops of Vittorio Veneto has a reference to Lorenzo Da Ponte, which redirects here, which is wrong, because it's about this Da Ponte's namesake, the bishop, and not about the librettist. 131.215.242.164 22:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
The portrait attached to this article has been found, by User:Wetwassermann and with the support of User:ChristianBier, not to be of da Ponte at all, but of Beaumarchais [1]. See also here Hence it has today been deleted from the da Ponte article. Eebahgum ( talk) 22:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
I restored my entry on Da Ponte in science ficiton, mainly because I like SF and resent all those who sort of snub it. Besides which, this isn't a commercial promotion, but a factual mention of the man's appearing in a novel. I didn't list the author, publisher, or price. I think Goochelaar just resents SF. Tham153 ( talk) 23:54, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Green-wood cemetery appears to have a memorial marker for da Ponte and Find-a-grave claims that he's buried in that cemetery at an unknown spot [2], but some quick googling doesn't find any substantive documentation of this. The 1922 dissertation "Da Ponte, Poet and Adventurer" p.138 [3] goes on at some length to say that da Ponte was buried in a Catholic cemetery at 11th st between 1st Ave and Ave. A (I think that means in lower Manhattan) but the exact location of his remains is unknown, and that a 19th century biographer (Krehbiel) had unsuccessfully search for his grave. Anyone know more about this, perhaps from more modern sources? I will add a cite request to the article for now. 67.117.145.149 ( talk) 02:29, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
208.87.248.162 ( talk) 04:13, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
Should someone who converted to Roman Catholicism before coming to the US be in the American Jews cat. He was for many intents and purposes no longer a Jew by the time he became an American. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 07:05, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
208.87.248.162 ( talk) 04:17, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
I boldly added the category "American Grocers" and it's been quickly removed with the comment "not notable for this". I am very, very unlikely to start an actual fist fight over this but I just wanted to comment: (1) that I do find it notable, or quirky, or worth noting or knowing, or something, that Mozart's librettist ran a grocery shop in the USA. It seems so unlikely and out-of-era that I wondered if it was not perhaps worth listing him as such. And if it's not, why is the fact in the article at all? The other point is (2) I know that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (or whatever) is a pretty annoying argument but, actually, is he notable for all the other categories in which he is listed here? What exactly are the criteria for that notability? If we are strict on this I'd think there are very very few of them for which he's notable - they are just facts about him, perhaps interesting ones, perhaps not ... a bit like his having been a grocer! Ah, but this is where we came in ... I think I will go and make a nice cup of tea now. Best wishes DBaK ( talk) 09:31, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure this is not true. I know I've even read it in Burkholder's A History of Western Music but what about New Orleans? There Le Théâtre de la Rue Saint-Pierre functioning by the time of the Louisiana Purchase (1803) then Le Théâtre d'Orléans (1815), both long before the New York Opera Company and with the 2nd even being constructed after the Louisiana Purchase, making it unambiguously an American opera house. The only references I have are the other Wikipedia pages so I'm leery about changing anything unless someone with more knowledge on the subject can corroborate that New Orleans really gets slighted in write ups of American opera. Joshisanonymous ( talk) 15:17, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Lorenzo Da Ponte/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
The article includes many minor inaccuracies, too numerous to list here (example: he was never in Paris in his life). There are also a few important omissions, such as the fact that he built the first opera house in New York City.-- dunnhaupt 15:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 15:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 22:26, 29 April 2016 (UTC)
User:Johnsoniensis recently changed the article's DEFAULTSORT and |listas=
on this talk page from "Da Ponte, Lorenzo" to "Ponte, Lorenzo Da" (to nit pick, |listas=
was changed to |listas= Ponte, Lorenzo Da
with a leading space). I think that's wrong. Every other Wikipedia and Commons use "Da Ponte, Lorenzo". So do dictionaries and encyclopedias. The previous sort order ought to be restored. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 01:43, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I can't believe I had to read the whole article, carefully, in order to find out what year Da Ponte moved to USA. In a biographical article like this, EVERY sub-section which has a title like "American career" should say, in the FIRST sentence, WHEN his American career began, that is, when he moved there. I should be able to find a date like that without looking for more than FIVE SECONDS! Very grumpily yours, HandsomeMrToad ( talk) 18:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)