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IMDB lists Bouchard as producing one episode of Dr Katz. Unless there are other sources that can be cited, the statement "...Bouchard's first series, Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist, which he produced" is misleading. Additionally, it is written to sound like he created the show, rather than participated in its production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.154.17 ( talk) 18:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
IMDB lists Bouchard as the producer for a single episode of Dr Katz. As written now, the article implies that Bouchard is the series producer. The wording also suggest Bouchard was the series creator, rather than a particpant.
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Pointing out that Bouchard's name is credited for Producer is a descriptive claim, not interpretive. Any literate person could confirm this by reading it. The OR claim fails. IMDB in no way whatsoever contradicts this claim. Torc2 ( talk) 06:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
My opinion: While I can't be sure that all the various comments by different IPs are from the same person, it certainly seems that way and I will address my comments as such. First, I note the IP editor is pushing a false dilemma; it is certainly as possible that IMDB's data is incomplete as it is that Bouchard only contributed to one episode. I also note that the IP editor is misinterpreting WP:OR, as a fact that is trivially obvious from a primary source (i.e. reading the credits of the episodes) is not Wikipedia:Original research. Also, WP:OR does not apply to talk page discussions, only to article contents, so Torc2's proof that IMDB's data is incomplete cannot be dismissed out of hand. Even if WP:OR did apply, trying to claim that the one-episode theory is true because of that is argumentum ad logicam. I also see the IP editor throwing unfounded accusations of conflict of interest in an attempt to silence discussion. All in all, the IP editor seems to be being disruptive and tendentious, and engaging in wikilawyering.
However, it should be relatively easy to find a reliable source that mentions Bouchard's connection to the television show in more global terms. A quick Google search for '"loren bouchard" "dr katz"' turns up this promising reference from the New York Times, and I have no doubt even better references could be found with a little work. Rather than continuing this pointless discussion, I recommend you just find such a reference. Anomie ⚔ 16:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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IMDB lists Bouchard as producing one episode of Dr Katz. Unless there are other sources that can be cited, the statement "...Bouchard's first series, Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist, which he produced" is misleading. Additionally, it is written to sound like he created the show, rather than participated in its production. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.154.17 ( talk) 18:42, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
IMDB lists Bouchard as the producer for a single episode of Dr Katz. As written now, the article implies that Bouchard is the series producer. The wording also suggest Bouchard was the series creator, rather than a particpant.
* To the extent that part of an article relies on a primary source, it should:
- only make descriptive claims about the information found in the primary source, the accuracy and applicability of which is easily verifiable by any reasonable, educated person without specialist knowledge, and
- make no analytic, synthetic, interpretive, explanatory, or evaluative claims about the information found in the primary source.
Pointing out that Bouchard's name is credited for Producer is a descriptive claim, not interpretive. Any literate person could confirm this by reading it. The OR claim fails. IMDB in no way whatsoever contradicts this claim. Torc2 ( talk) 06:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
My opinion: While I can't be sure that all the various comments by different IPs are from the same person, it certainly seems that way and I will address my comments as such. First, I note the IP editor is pushing a false dilemma; it is certainly as possible that IMDB's data is incomplete as it is that Bouchard only contributed to one episode. I also note that the IP editor is misinterpreting WP:OR, as a fact that is trivially obvious from a primary source (i.e. reading the credits of the episodes) is not Wikipedia:Original research. Also, WP:OR does not apply to talk page discussions, only to article contents, so Torc2's proof that IMDB's data is incomplete cannot be dismissed out of hand. Even if WP:OR did apply, trying to claim that the one-episode theory is true because of that is argumentum ad logicam. I also see the IP editor throwing unfounded accusations of conflict of interest in an attempt to silence discussion. All in all, the IP editor seems to be being disruptive and tendentious, and engaging in wikilawyering.
However, it should be relatively easy to find a reliable source that mentions Bouchard's connection to the television show in more global terms. A quick Google search for '"loren bouchard" "dr katz"' turns up this promising reference from the New York Times, and I have no doubt even better references could be found with a little work. Rather than continuing this pointless discussion, I recommend you just find such a reference. Anomie ⚔ 16:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
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