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The article currently says, "The dish's name is mentioned only twice, in one of the last speeches of the play." However, based on the English translations I have seen, it only appears once. Can anyone confirm the number of appearances? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The article title may be a lost cause, but I think the article text itself may benefit from the unorthodox “short hyphen” character (HTML entity ­) for the sake of line breaking in *ahem* the word of the topic at hand. There are, however, technical difficulties that may arise from this, as not all browsers treat the character the same way (it has to do with ucky unspecific specifications). Thoughts? - BRPXQZME ( talk) 18:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Somebody should DEFINITELY put together an IPA pronunciation for this word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.113.78.180 ( talk) 11:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I know this will get deleted but... hehe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.116.172 ( talk) 15:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was do not move.
Anthony Appleyard (
talk)
21:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon →
Longest word in Greek — The current title is unreasonably long, and there are similar existing Wikipedia articles: Longest word in Turkish and Longest word in Spanish.
Objectivesea (
talk)
04:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. This is a made up word. Therefore, it is in Greek, but anyone make up an even longer one. This article refers to the particular word of Aristophanes. -- FocalPoint ( talk) 06:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Catalographer ( talk) 13:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
In the Category:Ancient Greek cuisine and Category:Ancient Greek comedy I just used the short link Lopado...pterygon . The long form was not at all helpful for the reader. Catalographer ( talk) 11:53, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the aforementioned article with a long title, and I noticed that you had added ouzo to the list of ingredients. If this was simply random nonsense, then you need do nothing further, as I have reverted it. However, if this was a good faith edit, then I would like to hear what your basis for it was. Please feel free to respond to this query on the article's talk page, as I have it on my watchlist. Many thanks. Atelaes ( talk) 02:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Ouzo didn't exist when Aristophanes was writing. It's hard to believe it could have been an ingredient. --Akhilleus ( talk) 01:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
The first word of the article is probably supposed to be the word itself, but it looks like someone has changed it. I didn't want to change it back for fear of misspelling/perpetuating the problem. Weesasuzi ( talk) 20:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
On the article's name its written : Lopad...okranioleipsanodrimhypotrim... And the first word is : Lopad...ocranioleipsanodrimhypotrim... Extra999 Extra999 ( talk 23:29, 29 September 2009
Anyboy has corrected it now. -- Extra999 ( talk) 00:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC) 09:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
this rather sounds like a recipe than a word. -- 88.229.2.73 ( talk) 12:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I did a Google search for the longest URL. When I compared it with this article's URL the article's was longer.
I think this *might* be the world's longest URL.... 99.135.250.148 ( talk) 23:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I, too, would like to know how to pronounce it, and where the 'breaks' occur to make sense of where the "fish slices" separates from the "Fish of the Elasmobranchii subclass" segments, etc. 68.234.38.20 ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2011 (UTC)Diana very very longest word lopadotemachogaleokranioleisanodrimmhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakekich — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.173.52 ( talk) 02:37, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it should be noted in the article that there is (or was?) disagreement amongst scholars about the exact spelling of the Greek word, either because the manuscripts are difficult to read or because there are several versions of them. This is separate from the transliteration problems. See also en:wikt:Talk:Unsupported titles/Ancient Greek dish#Difference in spelling. Bever ( talk) 06:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The Greek wiki has some interesting pictures and further info Gts-tg ( talk) 02:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
See here. Thanatos| talk| contributions 13:45, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, this word isn't found in normal dictionarys....but that doesn't mean it's unencyclopediec. Excuse my spelling. By the way, does anyone know how to pronouce it??? 99.245.238.83 ( talk) 19:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC) By: Me!Me!
Whoa it's off the page! Emma Hordika ( talk) 20:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Why does the English, "...silphio-parao-melito..." not match the Greek, "...σιλφιο-καραβο-μελιτο..." (or the "τυρο" version)?
Cctimar (
talk)
14:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I think this may be a candidate for the longest title of any Wikipedia article. If I can figure out how to do a search of the ~5 million article titles, I will add this information to the article. Does anyone know how this might be accomplished? TheCensorFencer ( talk) 16:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so its articles are about their subjects; they are not about the articles themselves"- otherwise we'd disappear up ourselves in infinite recursion. NebY ( talk) 17:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I can read ancient Greek (just so you know), and I've checked the original in Aristophanes. Also, when I was very young (and before I knew Greek), I learned this word from the transcription in the Guinness book of records. So:
1) I am reasonably certain (from memory) that the 'transcription' is the same as the one that appears in the Guinness book of records.
2) Comparing the actual Greek word, the 'parao' about half-way through is incorrect, and the transcription SHOULD be either
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon
or, in the variant
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioturomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon
In short, Guinness must have got it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufflethrug ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
So is there an origin for the word or was the word just randomly made up by the creator of the dish? -- Annonymus user ( talk) 00:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Someone obviously vandalized this article. Someone who isn't very smart. How do you report this? 70.127.15.182 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 9#Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jalen Folf (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lopado pterygon. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 20#Lopado pterygon until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
-- Devokewater (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
There needs to be a discussion before this article is renamed, Christian75 changed the name back to the original name, however the article has been subsequently renamed yet again.
-- Devokewater (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon → Lopado...pterygon – I assume that this has already been asked and am asking for this formally again. There is no need to use an extremely long title merely because it is official or strictly correct ( WP:COMMONNAME). No one would actually memorize the article name; everyone would rather remember a short name like our already-existent Lopado...pterygon. Furthermore, the word is so long that the article title will flow over the right edge of your screen unless you have configured your device/Wikipedia to display it in tiny characters. It is technically difficult to display it. WIKINIGHTS talk 15:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
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my typos. They scroll before I can correct them.
Q.E.D..
85.67.32.244 (
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》which as it happens split on teh hyphen in the template. This should go
Wp:g1. It was nonsense in Greek now it's nonsense in English. -
85.67.32.244 (
talk)To all those !voting delete. This is consistently getting 250 hits a month. That's extremely high for a redirect and so very clearly this is something people are looking for. We obviously don't want an article on this topic so a redlink is the exact worst thing we can do for readers here - our job is to educate people and we don't do that by deleting the redirect and giving them (if they are lucky) unhelpful search results.. Long titles are really problematic. Neel.arunabh ( talk) 00:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Regarding But we need to get rid of the long title somehow
, I've just boldly moved this to
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon. It's still the same title, but with
soft hyphens added. Noting that the title in the lead section is Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon, that's:
{{ shy|Lopado|temacho|selacho|galeo|kranio|leipsano|drim|hypo|trimmato|silphio|karabo|melito|katakechy|meno|kichl|epi|kossypho|phatto|perister|alektryon|opte|kephallio|kigklo|peleio|lagoio|siraio|baphe|tragano|pterygon}}
I created a redirect by substituting that template to test the title out, and upon seeing it work, I moved this article over the top of the redirect I just created.
This removes the need to scroll right to see the end of the title, because it rolls right off the side of my widescreen desktop. It goes as far as it can, then puts a hyphen at the end of the line at the nearest soft break and continues the rest of the title on a second line. If I reduce the zoom level to 67% I make the hyphen go away as then the complete title fits in one line.
I'm not seeing a consensus for the proposed shorter title, but I trust this solution is acceptable for resolving the technical issues with display on smaller screens. – wbm1058 ( talk) 15:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Warning: Display title "Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon" was ignored since it is not equivalent to the page's actual title.
Footnote: Although the above RM was closed as "not moved", the article was actually moved (to insert soft hyphens) during the discussion. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
The article currently says, "The dish's name is mentioned only twice, in one of the last speeches of the play." However, based on the English translations I have seen, it only appears once. Can anyone confirm the number of appearances? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
The article title may be a lost cause, but I think the article text itself may benefit from the unorthodox “short hyphen” character (HTML entity ­) for the sake of line breaking in *ahem* the word of the topic at hand. There are, however, technical difficulties that may arise from this, as not all browsers treat the character the same way (it has to do with ucky unspecific specifications). Thoughts? - BRPXQZME ( talk) 18:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Somebody should DEFINITELY put together an IPA pronunciation for this word. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.113.78.180 ( talk) 11:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I know this will get deleted but... hehe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.116.172 ( talk) 15:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was do not move.
Anthony Appleyard (
talk)
21:30, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon →
Longest word in Greek — The current title is unreasonably long, and there are similar existing Wikipedia articles: Longest word in Turkish and Longest word in Spanish.
Objectivesea (
talk)
04:28, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
I disagree. This is a made up word. Therefore, it is in Greek, but anyone make up an even longer one. This article refers to the particular word of Aristophanes. -- FocalPoint ( talk) 06:58, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
Catalographer ( talk) 13:38, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
In the Category:Ancient Greek cuisine and Category:Ancient Greek comedy I just used the short link Lopado...pterygon . The long form was not at all helpful for the reader. Catalographer ( talk) 11:53, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I was looking at the aforementioned article with a long title, and I noticed that you had added ouzo to the list of ingredients. If this was simply random nonsense, then you need do nothing further, as I have reverted it. However, if this was a good faith edit, then I would like to hear what your basis for it was. Please feel free to respond to this query on the article's talk page, as I have it on my watchlist. Many thanks. Atelaes ( talk) 02:46, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
Ouzo didn't exist when Aristophanes was writing. It's hard to believe it could have been an ingredient. --Akhilleus ( talk) 01:12, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
The first word of the article is probably supposed to be the word itself, but it looks like someone has changed it. I didn't want to change it back for fear of misspelling/perpetuating the problem. Weesasuzi ( talk) 20:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)
On the article's name its written : Lopad...okranioleipsanodrimhypotrim... And the first word is : Lopad...ocranioleipsanodrimhypotrim... Extra999 Extra999 ( talk 23:29, 29 September 2009
Anyboy has corrected it now. -- Extra999 ( talk) 00:58, 2 October 2009 (UTC) 09:20, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
this rather sounds like a recipe than a word. -- 88.229.2.73 ( talk) 12:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I did a Google search for the longest URL. When I compared it with this article's URL the article's was longer.
I think this *might* be the world's longest URL.... 99.135.250.148 ( talk) 23:32, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I, too, would like to know how to pronounce it, and where the 'breaks' occur to make sense of where the "fish slices" separates from the "Fish of the Elasmobranchii subclass" segments, etc. 68.234.38.20 ( talk) 15:47, 19 May 2011 (UTC)Diana very very longest word lopadotemachogaleokranioleisanodrimmhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakekich — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.87.173.52 ( talk) 02:37, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I think it should be noted in the article that there is (or was?) disagreement amongst scholars about the exact spelling of the Greek word, either because the manuscripts are difficult to read or because there are several versions of them. This is separate from the transliteration problems. See also en:wikt:Talk:Unsupported titles/Ancient Greek dish#Difference in spelling. Bever ( talk) 06:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
The Greek wiki has some interesting pictures and further info Gts-tg ( talk) 02:49, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
See here. Thanatos| talk| contributions 13:45, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, this word isn't found in normal dictionarys....but that doesn't mean it's unencyclopediec. Excuse my spelling. By the way, does anyone know how to pronouce it??? 99.245.238.83 ( talk) 19:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC) By: Me!Me!
Whoa it's off the page! Emma Hordika ( talk) 20:20, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Why does the English, "...silphio-parao-melito..." not match the Greek, "...σιλφιο-καραβο-μελιτο..." (or the "τυρο" version)?
Cctimar (
talk)
14:36, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
I think this may be a candidate for the longest title of any Wikipedia article. If I can figure out how to do a search of the ~5 million article titles, I will add this information to the article. Does anyone know how this might be accomplished? TheCensorFencer ( talk) 16:56, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
"Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, so its articles are about their subjects; they are not about the articles themselves"- otherwise we'd disappear up ourselves in infinite recursion. NebY ( talk) 17:13, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
I can read ancient Greek (just so you know), and I've checked the original in Aristophanes. Also, when I was very young (and before I knew Greek), I learned this word from the transcription in the Guinness book of records. So:
1) I am reasonably certain (from memory) that the 'transcription' is the same as the one that appears in the Guinness book of records.
2) Comparing the actual Greek word, the 'parao' about half-way through is incorrect, and the transcription SHOULD be either
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon
or, in the variant
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioturomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon
In short, Guinness must have got it wrong. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mufflethrug ( talk • contribs) 08:18, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
So is there an origin for the word or was the word just randomly made up by the creator of the dish? -- Annonymus user ( talk) 00:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Someone obviously vandalized this article. Someone who isn't very smart. How do you report this? 70.127.15.182 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
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A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 October 9#Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphioparaomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Jalen Folf (talk) 17:08, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Lopado pterygon. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2020 November 20#Lopado pterygon until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
-- Devokewater (talk) 14:29, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
There needs to be a discussion before this article is renamed, Christian75 changed the name back to the original name, however the article has been subsequently renamed yet again.
-- Devokewater (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2020 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon → Lopado...pterygon – I assume that this has already been asked and am asking for this formally again. There is no need to use an extremely long title merely because it is official or strictly correct ( WP:COMMONNAME). No one would actually memorize the article name; everyone would rather remember a short name like our already-existent Lopado...pterygon. Furthermore, the word is so long that the article title will flow over the right edge of your screen unless you have configured your device/Wikipedia to display it in tiny characters. It is technically difficult to display it. WIKINIGHTS talk 15:12, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
{{
stet}}
my typos. They scroll before I can correct them.
Q.E.D..
85.67.32.244 (
talk)
20:59, 11 August 2021 (UTC){{
lang-grc}}
》which as it happens split on teh hyphen in the template. This should go
Wp:g1. It was nonsense in Greek now it's nonsense in English. -
85.67.32.244 (
talk)To all those !voting delete. This is consistently getting 250 hits a month. That's extremely high for a redirect and so very clearly this is something people are looking for. We obviously don't want an article on this topic so a redlink is the exact worst thing we can do for readers here - our job is to educate people and we don't do that by deleting the redirect and giving them (if they are lucky) unhelpful search results.. Long titles are really problematic. Neel.arunabh ( talk) 00:59, 18 August 2021 (UTC)
Regarding But we need to get rid of the long title somehow
, I've just boldly moved this to
Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon. It's still the same title, but with
soft hyphens added. Noting that the title in the lead section is Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon, that's:
{{ shy|Lopado|temacho|selacho|galeo|kranio|leipsano|drim|hypo|trimmato|silphio|karabo|melito|katakechy|meno|kichl|epi|kossypho|phatto|perister|alektryon|opte|kephallio|kigklo|peleio|lagoio|siraio|baphe|tragano|pterygon}}
I created a redirect by substituting that template to test the title out, and upon seeing it work, I moved this article over the top of the redirect I just created.
This removes the need to scroll right to see the end of the title, because it rolls right off the side of my widescreen desktop. It goes as far as it can, then puts a hyphen at the end of the line at the nearest soft break and continues the rest of the title on a second line. If I reduce the zoom level to 67% I make the hyphen go away as then the complete title fits in one line.
I'm not seeing a consensus for the proposed shorter title, but I trust this solution is acceptable for resolving the technical issues with display on smaller screens. – wbm1058 ( talk) 15:26, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Warning: Display title "Lopadotemachoselachogaleokranioleipsanodrimhypotrimmatosilphiokarabomelitokatakechymenokichlepikossyphophattoperisteralektryonoptekephalliokigklopeleiolagoiosiraiobaphetraganopterygon" was ignored since it is not equivalent to the page's actual title.
Footnote: Although the above RM was closed as "not moved", the article was actually moved (to insert soft hyphens) during the discussion. — BarrelProof ( talk) 22:15, 9 September 2021 (UTC)