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I'm having trouble understanding why this is being PRODed instead of being put up as a Deletion Nomination. The way the editors go with these things seems so arbitrary.
In any case, most of the Wikipedia editors seem to live in a completely different world, so I can kind of see how they would not know about the importance of Keenspot. But in all fairness, the article DOES need work. Wikipedia articles need to cite their sources now, and Keenspot's article simply doesn't do so at all.
A quick Google search is all it'd take to find a dozen mainstream sources that mention Keenspot. It's just a matter of someone taking the time to collect them and add them to the entry. --
SuperHappy
22:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I will add sources as I find them. - Anþony ( talk) 23:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Several press releases and news clippings from printed sources about Keenspot can be found here: http://www.keenspot.com/pressbox/
Webcomics, Books from Keenspot.com in Publishers Weekly.
Additionally, you can search the
Comic-Con International site for mentions of Keenspot and it comes up a few times as an organization itself which whole panels are dedicated to, or as a general representative of webcomics alongside
Modern Tales.
Here is just one page, out of pages marked for the past three Comic-Cons, where Keenspot is mentioned, and listed specifically as a general representative with MT. In other words, it's considered worthy of some serious attention at major cons devoted to comics, both print and web. Also, it might be notable that the Keenspot comic
You Damn Kid was reportedly optioned by the
FOX Network for a cartoon, though the sources I tend to find are either on Keenspot's own sites or Comixpedia, or reference them. And I'm not sure if Comixpedia is taken as an "unbiased" source -- though the claim it was optioned is listed without source right on YDK's own site here on Wikipedia.
Nerrin
08:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's a bunch of print-media citations of Keenspot: http://www.keenspot.com/pressbox/ http://www.keenspot.com/pressbox/pressbox-2000-2002.html
I really don't understand what that mess about webcomics on Wikipedia is about. What the heck is this "notability" thing about ? Should we remove entries in regular enciclopedia just because most people do not know what this entry is about, or because they are not of utter importance ? Then, I guess we should start deleting entries about Georges W Bush, after all he's only one of many presidents in a single country in the world. Or maybe Abraham Lincoln, that's such old news, no one cares, I guess. Maybe the whole cooking section should be deleted too, this ain't a reciepe website. See where I'm going ? Until now, I had seen Wikipedia as a major source for ALL KINDS of informations, academic, important ones, as well as trivial ones that you might have trouble to find anywhere else. Now, I'm starting to think I should better get a subscription to the nearby library, like in the days of old. They're going to a deletion spree, deleting anything webcomic related ? And that's because it's not "notable" ? I've seen stupid arguments like "when it will have a show on a national TV network, maybe it's notable". Okay... Define "national" on a world-wide website then. I'm french, so I doubt the idea behind "national" was in any way related to what I consider "national". As far, off-sea, and of minor importance I may be (should I say that I am not "notable" ?), I have been reading some of those deleted webcomics for a while, and I do consider that this kind of media at a whole is a notable enough phenomenon to be kept tracked in this so called "people made encyclopedia". The narrow-minded view of a few idiots who still think the world goes no further than what they can see from their windows should NOT prevail when it comes to define sources of information. As for verifiability... Did anyone care to seek if characters named in Stephen King's novel really existed in the place he put them ? No ? Well, probably because it's fictional characters and as such, nothing can be verified. Should we start to remove every fiction-related entry because not everything in it can be verified ? Give me a reason to find an excuse to delete something I don't like, and I'll find you a reason. Or maybe people could start acting like they're a bit more than 3 years old and accept that even non-mainstream media are somewhat notable, interesting, and acknowledge by enough people around the world to be worth an entry on the people-made information database. If you really feel like deleting stuff, get to clear the porn section, most pages in there are poorly disguised advertising for webstites. Well, at least people know those people, so they meet the "notability" requirement. Am I the only one to find it stupid ? - Uriel, non-member of Wikipedia, and now proud of it, at your service - February 12, 2007
Does Keenspot's notability extend to the comics produced under it? For example, if a comic is a part of Keenspot, is that comic also notable? Also, is the Keenspot print publishing wing notable enough that any web comic with a print book published by Keenspot is notable? Is the WCCA a good measure for notability for web comics? -- Ben ( talk) 07:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
This article has been marked as needing to cite its sources, yet no assertions are marked as needing fact-checking. What needs sourcing?
I rewrote most of the large lead, detailing the financial and pageview growth from 2000, applied citations from the old press clippings in Keenspot's pressbox, and sprinkled with tags. I checked the first two comics in the lists and immediately saw they are out of date, hence the update tag. I feel it still needs a few more (one maybe) independent references in order to meet Wikipedia's Notability requirements. - Wikianon 18:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The "Comics in Keenspot" section includes redirects and redlinks. Should links that redirect to Keenspot article be delinked? (Examples: "Candi (comic)", "Geebas on Parade", "Marry Me (webcomic)" and other). Should all the redlinks in "Comics in Keenspot" section be delinked? -- EarthFurst ( talk) 23:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I think a stand-alone Wikipedia article for each comic hosted by Keenspot is not likely to happen. I suggest that summaries of the comics be added to Keenspot itself. patsw ( talk) 13:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
The list of titles on Keenspot's own front page is very different from ours.
Listed here as active | Listed here as inactive | Not listed here | |
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Listed on Keenspot as active | +EV; Antihero for Hire; Brawl in the Family; Flipside; Gene Catlow; God Mode; Newshounds; No Pink Ponies; Out There; Shadowbinders; Sore Thumbs; Superosity; The Lounge; Twokinds | Chopping Block | 27 (Twenty-Seven); Avengelyne; Buzzboy; Exposure; Fall Out Toy Works; Friar & Brimstone; Green Wake; Head Trip; Hero by Night; Makeshift Miracle; Marksmen; Monster Massacre; Mystic Revolution; Punch an' Pie; QUILTBAG; Red Spike; Samurai's Blood; Sharky; Skullkickers; Supernovas; The Vault; Wayward Sons |
Listed on Keenspot as inactive | Count Your Sheep; Everything Jake; Last Blood; Marry Me; Striptease; WICKEDPOWERED | Adventurers!; Landis; No Room For Magic; Road Waffles; Yirmumah! | Barker; Crow Scare; Dreamless; Shockwave Darkside; Something Happens; The First Daughter; Wisdom of Moo; You Damn Kid! |
Not listed on Keenspot | Abby's Agency; Alfheim; Candi; The Devil's Panties; ETI-PI; Gaming Guardians; Geebas on Parade (Jennie Breeden); KEENTOONS; Lost and Found Investigations; Menage a 3; Reddickulous; Something Happens; Spooner; SSDD aka Poisoned Minds; Taking Up Space; Two Lumps; Wandering Ones; Xylia; Zortic | Alice!; Ashfield; Down to Earth; Dungeons & Denizens; Elf Life; Elf Only Inn; Eat the Roses; Fat Jesus; Felicity Flint, Agent from H.A.R.M.; Filthy Lies!; Flint Again; Hound's Home; I Drew This; Inside the Box; Just Another Vice; Mad About U.; Mr. Chuck Show; Owlie; Ozy and Millie; RPG World; Sex and Violence; Skirting Danger!; Soap on a Rope; Todd and Penguin; Vigilante, Ho!; Winger; Andiewear; Avalon; Awesome Gamerz; Basil Flint, P.I.; Bobbins; Bonus Stage; Boy Meets Boy; The Class Menagerie; Cool Cat Studio; Common Grounds; Exploitation Now; Flat Feet and High Heels; Frankenstudent; Horribleville; Joe Average; Limited Space; Lizard!; Look What I Brought Home!; Manifestations; Melpomene; Men In Hats; Pete is a Pogo Stick; Purple Pussy; Queen of Wands; Shin Kage; Shmorky; Silly Cone V; Sporkman; Talismen |
Tamfang ( talk) 22:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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I'm having trouble understanding why this is being PRODed instead of being put up as a Deletion Nomination. The way the editors go with these things seems so arbitrary.
In any case, most of the Wikipedia editors seem to live in a completely different world, so I can kind of see how they would not know about the importance of Keenspot. But in all fairness, the article DOES need work. Wikipedia articles need to cite their sources now, and Keenspot's article simply doesn't do so at all.
A quick Google search is all it'd take to find a dozen mainstream sources that mention Keenspot. It's just a matter of someone taking the time to collect them and add them to the entry. --
SuperHappy
22:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I will add sources as I find them. - Anþony ( talk) 23:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Several press releases and news clippings from printed sources about Keenspot can be found here: http://www.keenspot.com/pressbox/
Webcomics, Books from Keenspot.com in Publishers Weekly.
Additionally, you can search the
Comic-Con International site for mentions of Keenspot and it comes up a few times as an organization itself which whole panels are dedicated to, or as a general representative of webcomics alongside
Modern Tales.
Here is just one page, out of pages marked for the past three Comic-Cons, where Keenspot is mentioned, and listed specifically as a general representative with MT. In other words, it's considered worthy of some serious attention at major cons devoted to comics, both print and web. Also, it might be notable that the Keenspot comic
You Damn Kid was reportedly optioned by the
FOX Network for a cartoon, though the sources I tend to find are either on Keenspot's own sites or Comixpedia, or reference them. And I'm not sure if Comixpedia is taken as an "unbiased" source -- though the claim it was optioned is listed without source right on YDK's own site here on Wikipedia.
Nerrin
08:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Here's a bunch of print-media citations of Keenspot: http://www.keenspot.com/pressbox/ http://www.keenspot.com/pressbox/pressbox-2000-2002.html
I really don't understand what that mess about webcomics on Wikipedia is about. What the heck is this "notability" thing about ? Should we remove entries in regular enciclopedia just because most people do not know what this entry is about, or because they are not of utter importance ? Then, I guess we should start deleting entries about Georges W Bush, after all he's only one of many presidents in a single country in the world. Or maybe Abraham Lincoln, that's such old news, no one cares, I guess. Maybe the whole cooking section should be deleted too, this ain't a reciepe website. See where I'm going ? Until now, I had seen Wikipedia as a major source for ALL KINDS of informations, academic, important ones, as well as trivial ones that you might have trouble to find anywhere else. Now, I'm starting to think I should better get a subscription to the nearby library, like in the days of old. They're going to a deletion spree, deleting anything webcomic related ? And that's because it's not "notable" ? I've seen stupid arguments like "when it will have a show on a national TV network, maybe it's notable". Okay... Define "national" on a world-wide website then. I'm french, so I doubt the idea behind "national" was in any way related to what I consider "national". As far, off-sea, and of minor importance I may be (should I say that I am not "notable" ?), I have been reading some of those deleted webcomics for a while, and I do consider that this kind of media at a whole is a notable enough phenomenon to be kept tracked in this so called "people made encyclopedia". The narrow-minded view of a few idiots who still think the world goes no further than what they can see from their windows should NOT prevail when it comes to define sources of information. As for verifiability... Did anyone care to seek if characters named in Stephen King's novel really existed in the place he put them ? No ? Well, probably because it's fictional characters and as such, nothing can be verified. Should we start to remove every fiction-related entry because not everything in it can be verified ? Give me a reason to find an excuse to delete something I don't like, and I'll find you a reason. Or maybe people could start acting like they're a bit more than 3 years old and accept that even non-mainstream media are somewhat notable, interesting, and acknowledge by enough people around the world to be worth an entry on the people-made information database. If you really feel like deleting stuff, get to clear the porn section, most pages in there are poorly disguised advertising for webstites. Well, at least people know those people, so they meet the "notability" requirement. Am I the only one to find it stupid ? - Uriel, non-member of Wikipedia, and now proud of it, at your service - February 12, 2007
Does Keenspot's notability extend to the comics produced under it? For example, if a comic is a part of Keenspot, is that comic also notable? Also, is the Keenspot print publishing wing notable enough that any web comic with a print book published by Keenspot is notable? Is the WCCA a good measure for notability for web comics? -- Ben ( talk) 07:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
This article has been marked as needing to cite its sources, yet no assertions are marked as needing fact-checking. What needs sourcing?
I rewrote most of the large lead, detailing the financial and pageview growth from 2000, applied citations from the old press clippings in Keenspot's pressbox, and sprinkled with tags. I checked the first two comics in the lists and immediately saw they are out of date, hence the update tag. I feel it still needs a few more (one maybe) independent references in order to meet Wikipedia's Notability requirements. - Wikianon 18:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
The "Comics in Keenspot" section includes redirects and redlinks. Should links that redirect to Keenspot article be delinked? (Examples: "Candi (comic)", "Geebas on Parade", "Marry Me (webcomic)" and other). Should all the redlinks in "Comics in Keenspot" section be delinked? -- EarthFurst ( talk) 23:56, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
I think a stand-alone Wikipedia article for each comic hosted by Keenspot is not likely to happen. I suggest that summaries of the comics be added to Keenspot itself. patsw ( talk) 13:30, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
The list of titles on Keenspot's own front page is very different from ours.
Listed here as active | Listed here as inactive | Not listed here | |
---|---|---|---|
Listed on Keenspot as active | +EV; Antihero for Hire; Brawl in the Family; Flipside; Gene Catlow; God Mode; Newshounds; No Pink Ponies; Out There; Shadowbinders; Sore Thumbs; Superosity; The Lounge; Twokinds | Chopping Block | 27 (Twenty-Seven); Avengelyne; Buzzboy; Exposure; Fall Out Toy Works; Friar & Brimstone; Green Wake; Head Trip; Hero by Night; Makeshift Miracle; Marksmen; Monster Massacre; Mystic Revolution; Punch an' Pie; QUILTBAG; Red Spike; Samurai's Blood; Sharky; Skullkickers; Supernovas; The Vault; Wayward Sons |
Listed on Keenspot as inactive | Count Your Sheep; Everything Jake; Last Blood; Marry Me; Striptease; WICKEDPOWERED | Adventurers!; Landis; No Room For Magic; Road Waffles; Yirmumah! | Barker; Crow Scare; Dreamless; Shockwave Darkside; Something Happens; The First Daughter; Wisdom of Moo; You Damn Kid! |
Not listed on Keenspot | Abby's Agency; Alfheim; Candi; The Devil's Panties; ETI-PI; Gaming Guardians; Geebas on Parade (Jennie Breeden); KEENTOONS; Lost and Found Investigations; Menage a 3; Reddickulous; Something Happens; Spooner; SSDD aka Poisoned Minds; Taking Up Space; Two Lumps; Wandering Ones; Xylia; Zortic | Alice!; Ashfield; Down to Earth; Dungeons & Denizens; Elf Life; Elf Only Inn; Eat the Roses; Fat Jesus; Felicity Flint, Agent from H.A.R.M.; Filthy Lies!; Flint Again; Hound's Home; I Drew This; Inside the Box; Just Another Vice; Mad About U.; Mr. Chuck Show; Owlie; Ozy and Millie; RPG World; Sex and Violence; Skirting Danger!; Soap on a Rope; Todd and Penguin; Vigilante, Ho!; Winger; Andiewear; Avalon; Awesome Gamerz; Basil Flint, P.I.; Bobbins; Bonus Stage; Boy Meets Boy; The Class Menagerie; Cool Cat Studio; Common Grounds; Exploitation Now; Flat Feet and High Heels; Frankenstudent; Horribleville; Joe Average; Limited Space; Lizard!; Look What I Brought Home!; Manifestations; Melpomene; Men In Hats; Pete is a Pogo Stick; Purple Pussy; Queen of Wands; Shin Kage; Shmorky; Silly Cone V; Sporkman; Talismen |
Tamfang ( talk) 22:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)