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When the Hutus used their control over their "mass media" to demonize the Tootsies, which resulted in the Rwandan genocide, everyone understood clearly what the definition of "Stochastic Terrorism" was.
But now, due to who controls the mass media, this obvious and clear definition is obscured and clouded by fusing it with some bullshit notion of "lone wolves", while ignoring the primary characteristic, which is who controls the mass media, and who (currently) uses it to demonize which group. 72.181.112.54 ( talk) 17:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that stochastic terrorism is notable enough and contains enough important concepts that it should be an independent article. I am new here and don't know how things work very well. I want to write an article on Stochastic Terrorism but don't want to step on anyone's toes. I would appreciate any feedback on the suitability of my proposal or on the proper etiquette regarding starting an article with a sub-topic that is already in another article. Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 20:56, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
I propose that the section Stochastic Terrorism be split into a separate page called [[Stochastic Terrorism]]. Stochastic terrorism is not dependent upon the idea of lone wolf attack to give it meaning and stochastic terrorism easily meets the notability “requirement” expected of “new” articles. Since these topics were merged stochastic terrorism has been the topic of quite a few academic articles and many popular ones. These articles demonstrate not only that the notability of stochastic terrorism has increased but also that it is a complex multi-faceted subject both suggesting that it merits being a separate page.
Stochastic terrorism and lone wolf attack are independent ideas: stochastic terrorism is not an aspect of lone-wolf attacks. The authors of a recent article state “ Stochastic terrorism, moreover, is not a new term for a “lone-wolf terrorist” since it is a statistical construct rather than an adjectival inference concerning the asocial nature of an individual. In fact, recent research has found that the term “lone wolf ” is a misnomer since the social networks of individuals who carry out acts of violence without any external command or control are often broad and deep, exist both online and on the ground, and often contribute to the inspiration for an attack—even though the attack is done alone” i. Stochastic terrorism, in the most widely currently used meaning, is political demagoguery that results in a third party or parties carrying out an unpredictable act or multiple acts of targeted violence. It has also been described as a sort of “camouflaged incitement” leading to violence, however it differs, legally, in several important aspects from incitement ii. The term stochastic terrorism is associated with the individual(s) doing the communication not the individual(s) carrying out the terrorist act(s).
From the idea of stochastic terrorism, its differentiation from that of lone-wolf attacks naturally follows: as stochastic terrorism’s effects are unpredictable, who will carry out the violence is not foreseeable. A specific incidence of stochastic terrorism may motivate a single or multiple lone-wolf attacks(s) but not necessarily; it may instead motivate a group or groups of terrorists to attack. Looking with the opposite perspective: a lone-wolf attack may be motivated partly by stochastic terrorism but not necessarily; their motivation may also be unrelated to stochastic terrorism and for example they may instead be motivated by grievances, other types of social interactions on and off-line leading to ideological radicalization or by previous membership in radical groups or movements iii
Regarding notability, two academic articles are cited above and there are other recent published articles including: “AI and Stochastic Terrorism -Should it be done?” iv (conference paper) and “Stochastic Terrorism, Speech Incantations, and Federal Tax Exemption” v (forthcoming in New Mexico Law Review). And the following popular magazines are among those that have relatively recent articles on stochastic terrorism: Scientific American vi, Business Insider vii, Vox viii, City Journal ix, and Mother Jones x.
Stochastic terrorism may sometimes be a motivation for lone wolf attacks but is not dependant on the idea of lone wolf attacks to have meaning. It is a multifaceted, nuanced idea that the provided references show is notable. In addition, stochastic terrorism is a useful idea for understanding certain media situations which recently appear to be occurring more frequently. For these reasons, in my opinion, stochastic terrorism merits its own Wikipedia page.
City Journal. “The ‘Stochastic Terror’ Lie.” Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-stochastic-terror-lie/.
Follman, Mark. “How Trump Spread Incitement of Violence throughout the GOP.” Mother Jones (blog). Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/09/trump-republicans-incitement-violence-threats-stochastic-terrorism/.
Ioanes, Ellen. “An Atmosphere of Violence: Stochastic Terror in American Politics.” Vox, November 5, 2022. https://www.vox.com/2022/11/5/23441858/violence-stochastic-terror-american-politics-trump-pelosi.
Jones, Darryll Keith. “Stochastic Terrorism, Speech Incantations, and Federal Tax Exemption.” SSRN Scholarly Paper. Rochester, NY, January 31, 2023. https://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=4343878.
Kemper, Bart. “AI and Stochastic Terrorism -Should It Be Done?,” 2022. https://doi.org/10.1109/ISSREW55968.2022.00091.
Nelson, Bryn. “How Stochastic Terrorism Uses Disgust to Incite Violence.” Scientific American. Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-stochastic-terrorism-uses-disgust-to-incite-violence/.
Snodgrass, Erin. “Stochastic Terrorism Appears to Be on the Rise Globally. Extremism Experts Explain How This Form of Violence Has Gone Mainstream.” Business Insider. Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.businessinsider.com/stochastic-terrorism-meaning-definition-form-of-extremist-political-violence-2022-11.
iSchuurman et al., “End of the Lone Wolf”; Amman and Meloy, “Stochastic Terrorism.”
iiAmman and Meloy, “Incitement to Violence and Stochastic Terrorism.”
iiiSchuurman et al., “End of the Lone Wolf.”
ivKemper, “AI and Stochastic Terrorism -Should It Be Done?”
vJones, “Stochastic Terrorism, Speech Incantations, and Federal Tax Exemption.”
viNelson, “How Stochastic Terrorism Uses Disgust to Incite Violence.”
viiSnodgrass, “Stochastic Terrorism Appears to Be on the Rise Globally. Extremism Experts Explain How This Form of Violence Has Gone Mainstream.”
viiiIoanes, “An Atmosphere of Violence.”
ix“The ‘Stochastic Terror’ Lie.”
xFollman, “How Trump Spread Incitement of Violence throughout the GOP.” Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 16:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 17:06, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
I copied the Stochastic Terrorism section into the existing same named page. I left the Stochastic Terrorism section here intact. The redirect link was removed. I plan to help rewrite the Stochastic Terrorism page to reflect current available information. The section here may also profit from an edit to update the information and better coordinate it with the newly available page (when the page has been updated I should add). Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 22:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 02:48, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
When the Hutus used their control over their "mass media" to demonize the Tootsies, which resulted in the Rwandan genocide, everyone understood clearly what the definition of "Stochastic Terrorism" was.
But now, due to who controls the mass media, this obvious and clear definition is obscured and clouded by fusing it with some bullshit notion of "lone wolves", while ignoring the primary characteristic, which is who controls the mass media, and who (currently) uses it to demonize which group. 72.181.112.54 ( talk) 17:26, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
I think that stochastic terrorism is notable enough and contains enough important concepts that it should be an independent article. I am new here and don't know how things work very well. I want to write an article on Stochastic Terrorism but don't want to step on anyone's toes. I would appreciate any feedback on the suitability of my proposal or on the proper etiquette regarding starting an article with a sub-topic that is already in another article. Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 20:56, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
I propose that the section Stochastic Terrorism be split into a separate page called [[Stochastic Terrorism]]. Stochastic terrorism is not dependent upon the idea of lone wolf attack to give it meaning and stochastic terrorism easily meets the notability “requirement” expected of “new” articles. Since these topics were merged stochastic terrorism has been the topic of quite a few academic articles and many popular ones. These articles demonstrate not only that the notability of stochastic terrorism has increased but also that it is a complex multi-faceted subject both suggesting that it merits being a separate page.
Stochastic terrorism and lone wolf attack are independent ideas: stochastic terrorism is not an aspect of lone-wolf attacks. The authors of a recent article state “ Stochastic terrorism, moreover, is not a new term for a “lone-wolf terrorist” since it is a statistical construct rather than an adjectival inference concerning the asocial nature of an individual. In fact, recent research has found that the term “lone wolf ” is a misnomer since the social networks of individuals who carry out acts of violence without any external command or control are often broad and deep, exist both online and on the ground, and often contribute to the inspiration for an attack—even though the attack is done alone” i. Stochastic terrorism, in the most widely currently used meaning, is political demagoguery that results in a third party or parties carrying out an unpredictable act or multiple acts of targeted violence. It has also been described as a sort of “camouflaged incitement” leading to violence, however it differs, legally, in several important aspects from incitement ii. The term stochastic terrorism is associated with the individual(s) doing the communication not the individual(s) carrying out the terrorist act(s).
From the idea of stochastic terrorism, its differentiation from that of lone-wolf attacks naturally follows: as stochastic terrorism’s effects are unpredictable, who will carry out the violence is not foreseeable. A specific incidence of stochastic terrorism may motivate a single or multiple lone-wolf attacks(s) but not necessarily; it may instead motivate a group or groups of terrorists to attack. Looking with the opposite perspective: a lone-wolf attack may be motivated partly by stochastic terrorism but not necessarily; their motivation may also be unrelated to stochastic terrorism and for example they may instead be motivated by grievances, other types of social interactions on and off-line leading to ideological radicalization or by previous membership in radical groups or movements iii
Regarding notability, two academic articles are cited above and there are other recent published articles including: “AI and Stochastic Terrorism -Should it be done?” iv (conference paper) and “Stochastic Terrorism, Speech Incantations, and Federal Tax Exemption” v (forthcoming in New Mexico Law Review). And the following popular magazines are among those that have relatively recent articles on stochastic terrorism: Scientific American vi, Business Insider vii, Vox viii, City Journal ix, and Mother Jones x.
Stochastic terrorism may sometimes be a motivation for lone wolf attacks but is not dependant on the idea of lone wolf attacks to have meaning. It is a multifaceted, nuanced idea that the provided references show is notable. In addition, stochastic terrorism is a useful idea for understanding certain media situations which recently appear to be occurring more frequently. For these reasons, in my opinion, stochastic terrorism merits its own Wikipedia page.
City Journal. “The ‘Stochastic Terror’ Lie.” Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.city-journal.org/article/the-stochastic-terror-lie/.
Follman, Mark. “How Trump Spread Incitement of Violence throughout the GOP.” Mother Jones (blog). Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2022/09/trump-republicans-incitement-violence-threats-stochastic-terrorism/.
Ioanes, Ellen. “An Atmosphere of Violence: Stochastic Terror in American Politics.” Vox, November 5, 2022. https://www.vox.com/2022/11/5/23441858/violence-stochastic-terror-american-politics-trump-pelosi.
Jones, Darryll Keith. “Stochastic Terrorism, Speech Incantations, and Federal Tax Exemption.” SSRN Scholarly Paper. Rochester, NY, January 31, 2023. https://papers.ssrn.com/abstract=4343878.
Kemper, Bart. “AI and Stochastic Terrorism -Should It Be Done?,” 2022. https://doi.org/10.1109/ISSREW55968.2022.00091.
Nelson, Bryn. “How Stochastic Terrorism Uses Disgust to Incite Violence.” Scientific American. Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-stochastic-terrorism-uses-disgust-to-incite-violence/.
Snodgrass, Erin. “Stochastic Terrorism Appears to Be on the Rise Globally. Extremism Experts Explain How This Form of Violence Has Gone Mainstream.” Business Insider. Accessed April 23, 2023. https://www.businessinsider.com/stochastic-terrorism-meaning-definition-form-of-extremist-political-violence-2022-11.
iSchuurman et al., “End of the Lone Wolf”; Amman and Meloy, “Stochastic Terrorism.”
iiAmman and Meloy, “Incitement to Violence and Stochastic Terrorism.”
iiiSchuurman et al., “End of the Lone Wolf.”
ivKemper, “AI and Stochastic Terrorism -Should It Be Done?”
vJones, “Stochastic Terrorism, Speech Incantations, and Federal Tax Exemption.”
viNelson, “How Stochastic Terrorism Uses Disgust to Incite Violence.”
viiSnodgrass, “Stochastic Terrorism Appears to Be on the Rise Globally. Extremism Experts Explain How This Form of Violence Has Gone Mainstream.”
viiiIoanes, “An Atmosphere of Violence.”
ix“The ‘Stochastic Terror’ Lie.”
xFollman, “How Trump Spread Incitement of Violence throughout the GOP.” Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 16:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 17:06, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
I copied the Stochastic Terrorism section into the existing same named page. I left the Stochastic Terrorism section here intact. The redirect link was removed. I plan to help rewrite the Stochastic Terrorism page to reflect current available information. The section here may also profit from an edit to update the information and better coordinate it with the newly available page (when the page has been updated I should add). Schrodinger's gateau ( talk) 22:41, 11 August 2023 (UTC)