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Um... what happened to Loki being Odin's son? That is true in the movie Son of the Mask, was in this article (from non-movie sources, of course) when I first read it around two years ago (complete rewrite since then), and is known by the majority of people I talk to who have heard of Loki (most of whom have not seen Son of the Mask) as well as in 2 novels I have read (I forget the names because I do not own the books).
This article, although highly encyclopedic in it's form of prose, is a very poor article. Gods of any tradition (except for modern monotheism) have all kinds of legends, myths, and tales surrounding them. A 3-or-4-page line-by-line recount of Loki's conversation when he incites riot in just one poem, for example, is not only highly unnecessary but also highly annoying. A simple paragraph such as, ~"After a whole bunch of events and tales which are mentioned prior to this paragraph], the poem [name of poem] says that Loki came to a dinner [wasn't invited blah blah] and started insulting every god he could think of in order to purposely cause chaos. As a result of this, according o the poem, he was bound[...]. However, this poem mentions many recounted tales during the argument (such as when Loki says "[caught whoever doing whatever]") where the tale mentioned is not actually recounted by any source we know of."~ It is probably rare to say an encyclopedic entry is too long, but this article is way too long... or perhaps just that so much of what is written is extremely overly specific and should not be written there. For example an article about the movie The Matrix would not recount the entire script!
I named my puppy Loki, and many people ask me does he live up to his name? I ask them what they mean, and most people say "you know, the Norse God of Mischeif" I say, yes!! he is very mischevious. 2601:9:3000:158:E018:7657:AE2D:6CF6 ( talk) 21:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I finished the paragraph on Utgårda-Loke (Or Útgarða-Loki, in old norse. Gylfaginning, 2.2.1) from memory. Better than nothing, but still needs expansion and references. 130.239.140.196 ( talk) 15:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
does it say that loki is a god of fire? it should —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.128.129 ( talk) 16:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
In terms of alternate etymology I have also read that a modern Swedish (or such nordic language?) word for a spider is awfully close to Loki/Loke; being that he spawned the eight legged horse of Odin it makes sense that Loki may be a name for a "spider" type personification. 71.34.67.135 ( talk) 05:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Loki is the god of fire, just as Odin is the god of earth, and hoenir the god of air. Helblindi and Býleistr are kennings for Odin and Hoenir respectively. They represents three elements, that tamed the element of water/ice that is Ymir in the norse cosmological origin story. The Ragnarrök ending in a worldwide flood, the release of the element of water/Ymir. Ideas of Loki being a spider is nonsense, if he was a spider why doesn't he transform himself to a spider? It is also interesting that Odin doesn't know Loki is the conspirator that will bring forth the Ragnarrök. He is told that Loki will be bound and suffer, but never that he is the instrumental figure of Ragnarrök. This might be correlated to Odin transfering Mimir (wisdom and forsight) to the Vanir, thus losing complete understanding of the future events. 83.252.205.53 ( talk) 13:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Should there be a bit on Loki's pop portrayal? Neil Gaiman, "The Mask" and others. Out of Norse myth he's a popular character. On the other hand, the "In popular Culture" sections are a bit silly sometimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.166.132.200 ( talk) 10:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Loki is the "true" final boss of Valkirie Profile, a role-playing game for the Playstation developed by Tri-Ace. He is depicted as a somewhat naive Aesir but if the conditions for the "true" ending are met it turns out he actually hates both Aesir and Vanir because neither of them have never accepted him as one of their own. He then kills Odin and then goes on a rampage to destroy Midgard -the world of humans-. While en route to defeat him you must fight against Fenrir and a dragon named Bloodbane (might reference/symbolize Jörmungandr). On this "true" ending the main character Lenneth (a Valkirie) states: "Nobody knew what was on your mind. You have decieved us all".-- Ihavepinkbootson ( talk) 21:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to state the problem of how it says Loki is the mother Of sleipnir, I'm not quite sure what that means! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.137.43 ( talk) 22:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
In Sumerian Mythology, Enlil is given dominion over Eurasia, while Enki is given dominion over Africa. "Enlil" means "Lord over all", whereas "Enki" means "Lord over the Earth". Specifically, Enki is the "creator" and patron God of Mankind, and often acts for the benefit of humans, while Enlil often acts to their detriment. One of Enki's titles, "Nudimmud", translates roughly as "Artificier" - Enki is the God that creates new technologies for Man (i.e. Prometheus giving fire to the Greeks, Loki tricking the Dwarves into creating many items [Mjoellnir, for example], and sundry similar myths starring Hermes as such a Friend of Man). The holes in this theory are the following: Enki and Enlil are on bad terms with each other, as are Loki and Odin, and Prometheus and Zeus - however, Hermes and Jove appear to be friendly towards each other, for the most part. Similarly, Enki is the creator of Modern Man, fulfilling a similar role to that of Heimdalr, yet it is Loki who slays Heimdalr at Ragnarok.
Perhaps the passage of time caused the myths to change slightly between different cultures, but there should still be sections in each of these characters' pages dealing with the (rather obvious) links between them, so that a better understanding of the potential roles of these characters can be ascertained.
Specifically, all that we know of Loki comes predominantly from Christian-era texts. The Christian God is often identified as Enlil from Sumerian Mythology, thus, if the Enlil/Enki conflict were to be translated into European myth, it would make sense for followers of Enlil to paint Enki in a bad light. If Odin corresponds with Enlil/Christian God, then Loki corresponds with Enki/The Adversary (Satan or Lucifer, depending on your preference). We cannot know exactly how Loki was seen by the Norse peoples, as we only have potentially (and probably) biased records against him. However, it would be viable to say that Loki was a similar figure to the Norse as Prometheus was to the early Greeks, and as Enki was to the Sumerians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, and so on.
Perhaps this topic of discussion is rather larger than originally intended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.159.23 ( talk) 05:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
While it would be foolish to make unsubstantiated claims about specific cognates, this article seems to ignore any discussion of the importance of Loki as Trickster/Fool motif. That seems to be a problem. JDClaunch ( talk) 03:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
In this section it mentions Nari & Narfi, though the disambiguation pages say they are the same, just alternate spellings, and that the brother who changes into a wolf is Váli not Narfi (as Narfi is Nari). 71.34.67.135 ( talk) 06:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The article fails to address the notion that there is no archeological evidence that Loki was ever actually worshiped. 209.2.210.144 ( talk) 22:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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The section about the Snaptun Stone says "The figure is identified as Loki due to the lips, considered a reference to a tale recorded in Skáldskaparmál where the Sons of Ivaldi stitch up Loki's lips". The Slaldskaparmal acctually says it is Brokkr, and not Ivaldi's sons, who sows Loki's lips. I didn't modify this in the article itself, because it's possible that it is the source (Madsen, 1990) that is mistaken.. so I don't really know how to go about it.-- Munin75 ( talk) 05:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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I've added this (the IP is me, but I've only just registered so added it when I was unregistered) because I was surprised that the article failed to mention an outstanding piece of the folklore from outside Scandinavia.-- Herneshound ( talk) 22:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, I understand about Northvegr, though I disagree. Yes, the site has a religious function, but its ideological purpose is to provide translations of untranslated works within this religious category. However, that aside, I could have used the Faroe Islands Post Office, which is a site that is a prime source for Faroese folklore, but as the site merely reproduces without explanation I presumed that would be less acceptable than a source devoted to translating the texts. Would Wikipedia Loka_Táttur do as a source? Or would that also count as a commercial site, as it requires money to accomplish its ideological aims? -- Herneshound ( talk) 19:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, that sounded a little more aggressive than I intended. I would welcome a more expanisive explanation of why Northvegr is considered unreliable in order to assist me with any future contributions. :)-- Herneshound ( talk) 20:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
That is a better explanation, thanks. I don't care whether sites indulge3 in Ryborg criticism or obtain support by selling ads - my only concern is wether the material on the site is a reliable translation. Surely that is the issue when a translation is posted, not its ideology? I could say that a non-profit organisation generally has an ideology, so it would then be a question of personal preference of ideology, but that is netierh here nor there - the point is the reliability of the material, not the politics. What makes the material on Northvegr unreliable? -- Herneshound ( talk) 18:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I have replaced something about this into the article with the Wiki reference, under the 'folklore' sub-heading. -- Herneshound ( talk) 18:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm struggling to find sources discussing the other possible theory of Loki's origin, that he developed out of the figure now known as Útgarða-Loki. It neatly explains why there is a vagueness as to whether Loki is a god or a giant/jotunn, and why there is no evidence he was actually worshipped. Both are trickster figures, too. According to the page on Útgarða-Loki, in Gesta Danorum, a figure called "Utgarthilocus" lies chained and tortured in a cave like Loki, another odd link between the two figures. Kaid100 ( talk) 02:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Could Loki be considered a god of chaos as well as a trickster? Jdogno5
This article seems to cover everything there is to know about Loki, but one thing. Where did Loki's power originate? He seems to be by far the most powerful of the Jotuns. Not only that, his power and influence is on par with Odin's, the leader of the Aesir. In fact, Loki is able to change the course of destiny. He fathers Fenrir, and all what the Aesir can do about it, is to bind the wolf. But they can't change the fact that Fenrir WILL kill Odin on Ragnarok. Odin, the most powerful of the Aesir, cannot prevent his own death by Loki (as the father of Fenrir). The same goes for Jormungandr. The Aesir cannot prevent Thor's death. They cannot bring back Baldur from Hel. They can't prevent or revert these things. Why not just kill the children of Loki and prevent all that from happening? Again, it seems that Loki is so powerful that he can change the course of destiny. He fathered Fenrir and from that moment on it was clear, and nothing could alter it, that Fenrir WILL kill Odin. It is destined that Odin will be killed. 88.153.214.148 ( talk) 02:39, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I have removed a large assortment of miscellaneous use of the name Loki in popular culture which appeared without any references. This section had multiple problems, a lack of external sources and a very shallow and unencyclopedic structure. It is important when dealing with the uses of historical and literary figures to explain, using third party, independent sources, why such borrowings are important. It doesn't realy matter that a character loosely based on Loki appeared in this or that comic book, and puts undue emphasis on pop-culture which in relation to the wider subject is only a minor concern. If serious academic study or critisim of the literature (read: comics and film) sheds some light on how Loki is used by these authors, then we can cite that, or if the authors in question have gone on record talking about their influences and specifically mention the mythological Loki, then we can cite that. I do specifically recall reading Neil Gaiman discussing his version of the character Thor, so he may well have mentioned Loki. It's worth doing the research to find these kind of sources, as it will improve the article. Otherwise there is no real reason to keep unsourced, largely trivial information. Davémon ( talk) 16:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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This article quite often uses the plural form "jötnar" when the singular form "jötunn" is meant (e.g. "... Skaði's father, jötnar Þjazi." should be "... Skaði's father, the jötunn Þjazi.") All instances of "jötnar" that refer to a single person should be changed to "jötunn".
I would have edited it myself, but for some reason this page is locked... Fer radstake ( talk) 13:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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In the 4th paragraph: change Loki is attested in the Poetic Edda to Loki is mentioned in the Poetic Edda
The original form implies that the existance ok Loki (not in a poem or legend or whatever, but in reality) is already accepted, known to be true and the Poetic Edda bears whitness to that. 188.24.179.239 ( talk) 08:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The article reads: "In Norse mythology, Loki, Loptr, or Hveðrungr is a god or jötunn (or both)." What is the source for "or both"? Loki is a jötunn, not a god. I find this confusing, has "god" been added simply because popular culture of today keeps depicting Loki as a god? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5A81:2F00:D46B:AC84:5733:B0D1 ( talk) 16:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
According to The Fairy Mythology, Loki is attested in the "Edda Resenii". See here. Those myths, if valid, should probably be added to the page; if it turns out that Keightley was inaccurate in claiming these to be legitimate myths, then maybe on a Loki in popular culture section? 72.12.205.35 ( talk) 03:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
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AFAICR the river of venom running from Loke/Sigyn has a Norse name - Vån? -, but I can't find the name and esp. the meaning of it anywhere, not on the web, at least. Does anybody know? Or know where to, ahaha, looke? Then it could even be included in the article.
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88.91.200.88 ( talk) 20:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Recently a user ( Madreterra ( talk · contribs)) has repeatedly been adding this wall of text to the introduction, complete with the usual sign of a problem—a daisy chain of Googled references, many of which are poor. In any case, the introduction already covers what this seems to be attempting to convey in a neutral and competent manner without some vague nonsense about undefined "depictions". However, the user is edit-warring, at times restoring the problematic text without an edit summary and not responding to questions about exactly what they're trying to communicate. If this keeps up, this page is going to need to be protected. :bloodofox: ( talk) 21:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
"I don't like it" is never a good enough reason. What exactly is wrong in putting Satan in the See Also section, aside from the petty reason of it going against your nerdy-ass fantasies? Music314812813478 ( talk) 00:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
His name in swedish should be mensioned at the start of the text together with his norwegian and islandic names. This god is nordic and not just norwegian. Does norse mean norwegian? 94.191.140.167 ( talk) 23:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
I believe the section heading "Attestations" is misused. In fact, the word is in direct contradiction to the subject matter.
From Merriam Webster: 1 : an act or instance of attesting something: such as a : a proving of the existence of something through evidence b : an official verification of something as true or authentic
2 : the proof or evidence by which something (such as the usage of a word) is attested
We are not pretending Loki is anything more than a mythical, supernatural being, are we? The word "attestation" is being applied to the literature recounting this being, but could also be misconstrued as proving the existence of the article's eponymous construct. It's the wrong word, it's superfluous, and imho does not belong in this article. Nickrz ( talk) 15:24, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
About an hour ago, one editor purged nearly the entire ==Modern popular culture== section, on the alleged grounds that discussion of Loki's appearance in modern storytelling has "zero educational value."
I undid this edit. Here is my rationale:
Encyclopædic coverage of modern storytelling is no less educational than encyclopædic coverage of ancient storytelling. Storytelling influences the cultures in which the stories are told, and modern stories involving Loki are of no less notability than ancient ones involving him.
Indeed, I would argue that the fact that Loki is prominent enough in our modern culture that stories are still being written about and involving him is of intrinsic educational value. The removal of the section only serves to make the article less educational than it previously was by hiding from the reader the enduring influence of Loki as a character.
(The reason I opted above to express my reasoning for the reversion is in an effort to ensure that no edit war results therefrom.)
allixpeeke ( talk) 06:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Pop culture sections are trash, and usually just turn into nerd trivia sections. No sources, big list, no proof of notability. And it's also WP:RECENTISM. A story can exist for thousands of years, but pop culture sections end up taking 2/3 of the article from media from the last 20 years. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 22:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
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want to ad that the character Atreus in God of War 2018 is revealed to be Loki at the end Humanstingmon ( talk) 08:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
As I see words get spelling corrected from perfectly good American English to perfectly good British English i wonder, is it time to pick one? —¿philoserf? ( talk) 21:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
As the introductory paragraphs of this article alone make clear, sources matter. Unfortunately, an editor is adding and readding an infobox to this article, as if it were a vehicle or a comic book character or some similar item or entity, rather than a deity known to us from a complex of often-contradictory and always complex sources. Unlike a brand of cereal, there's no ready-made set of stats one can list about a deity, as any such information is dependent upon source; something an infobox cannot communicate without turning into a paragraph. As it stands, infoboxes like these are misinformation for the reader. :bloodofox: ( talk) 18:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
No, it's not. All the information in the infobox can be found in the article itself. There are just some basic facts. Many pages use infoboxes, including mythology, history, etc. Complex subjects. You're over-simplifying them because you don't like them. That a subject is complex doesn't mean some basic facts can't be distilled from it and presented in a clean, summarized way. Controversial information has already been removed from the infobox.
And I see that you are, once again, calling in your friends to support your position. You can't even wait for people who follow this article to express their opinion?
Flordeneu ( talk) 18:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Quick note one of his many names that he’s usually the most popular is known as the locked one this is due to the fact that when he kills Baldur with the mistletoe arrow by deceiving his brother the blind one he’s locked away on Midgard chained up in a cave with a serpent dripping venom on his head constantly 69.119.145.159 ( talk) 18:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Loki also has a child thats an 8 legged horse that was then gifted to odin 122.56.76.171 ( talk) 23:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I fully expected the 90s film "The Mask" starring Jim Carrey to be here. Loki is an integral part of the story, the old wooden/metal "mask" relic washes ashore, and after a bout of chaos, this mask is later deemed to be related to old Norse culture, representing "Loki", where upon he is described as "the Night God of Mischief". It is after this point Stanley (Carrey) discovers the mask only works at night. Also, in Norse folklore, Loki is often referred to as a "shape shifter", we see evidence of this in all the crazy cartoon like manifestations of Stanleys suppressed "personalities", the same is seen in Dorian the villain, and even Milo the dog. Though Loki is only mentioned briefly, he's a huge part of the film plot, and given The Mask was an absolute blockbuster, I'm surprised it is not mentioned in the Modern Culture section and I feel the Wiki geeks should consider revising that. Thanks for reading :) Chaz x 2A02:C7C:D84B:5900:6EF6:325D:B079:7B9E ( talk) 05:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Alessandro Nivola as Loki 148.252.132.57 ( talk) 13:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Loki also appeard in the fantastical drama series called Ragnarok. 93.32.222.161 ( talk) 20:27, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
What of some of his lesser known children, such as his supposed daughter Moder? EmoTrash2319 ( talk) 08:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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I want to add the loki series that came out in 2021 2A06:C701:74E6:4300:353A:4406:1035:D36F ( talk) 16:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Um... what happened to Loki being Odin's son? That is true in the movie Son of the Mask, was in this article (from non-movie sources, of course) when I first read it around two years ago (complete rewrite since then), and is known by the majority of people I talk to who have heard of Loki (most of whom have not seen Son of the Mask) as well as in 2 novels I have read (I forget the names because I do not own the books).
This article, although highly encyclopedic in it's form of prose, is a very poor article. Gods of any tradition (except for modern monotheism) have all kinds of legends, myths, and tales surrounding them. A 3-or-4-page line-by-line recount of Loki's conversation when he incites riot in just one poem, for example, is not only highly unnecessary but also highly annoying. A simple paragraph such as, ~"After a whole bunch of events and tales which are mentioned prior to this paragraph], the poem [name of poem] says that Loki came to a dinner [wasn't invited blah blah] and started insulting every god he could think of in order to purposely cause chaos. As a result of this, according o the poem, he was bound[...]. However, this poem mentions many recounted tales during the argument (such as when Loki says "[caught whoever doing whatever]") where the tale mentioned is not actually recounted by any source we know of."~ It is probably rare to say an encyclopedic entry is too long, but this article is way too long... or perhaps just that so much of what is written is extremely overly specific and should not be written there. For example an article about the movie The Matrix would not recount the entire script!
I named my puppy Loki, and many people ask me does he live up to his name? I ask them what they mean, and most people say "you know, the Norse God of Mischeif" I say, yes!! he is very mischevious. 2601:9:3000:158:E018:7657:AE2D:6CF6 ( talk) 21:28, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
I finished the paragraph on Utgårda-Loke (Or Útgarða-Loki, in old norse. Gylfaginning, 2.2.1) from memory. Better than nothing, but still needs expansion and references. 130.239.140.196 ( talk) 15:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
does it say that loki is a god of fire? it should —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.240.128.129 ( talk) 16:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
In terms of alternate etymology I have also read that a modern Swedish (or such nordic language?) word for a spider is awfully close to Loki/Loke; being that he spawned the eight legged horse of Odin it makes sense that Loki may be a name for a "spider" type personification. 71.34.67.135 ( talk) 05:52, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
Loki is the god of fire, just as Odin is the god of earth, and hoenir the god of air. Helblindi and Býleistr are kennings for Odin and Hoenir respectively. They represents three elements, that tamed the element of water/ice that is Ymir in the norse cosmological origin story. The Ragnarrök ending in a worldwide flood, the release of the element of water/Ymir. Ideas of Loki being a spider is nonsense, if he was a spider why doesn't he transform himself to a spider? It is also interesting that Odin doesn't know Loki is the conspirator that will bring forth the Ragnarrök. He is told that Loki will be bound and suffer, but never that he is the instrumental figure of Ragnarrök. This might be correlated to Odin transfering Mimir (wisdom and forsight) to the Vanir, thus losing complete understanding of the future events. 83.252.205.53 ( talk) 13:31, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
Should there be a bit on Loki's pop portrayal? Neil Gaiman, "The Mask" and others. Out of Norse myth he's a popular character. On the other hand, the "In popular Culture" sections are a bit silly sometimes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.166.132.200 ( talk) 10:40, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
Loki is the "true" final boss of Valkirie Profile, a role-playing game for the Playstation developed by Tri-Ace. He is depicted as a somewhat naive Aesir but if the conditions for the "true" ending are met it turns out he actually hates both Aesir and Vanir because neither of them have never accepted him as one of their own. He then kills Odin and then goes on a rampage to destroy Midgard -the world of humans-. While en route to defeat him you must fight against Fenrir and a dragon named Bloodbane (might reference/symbolize Jörmungandr). On this "true" ending the main character Lenneth (a Valkirie) states: "Nobody knew what was on your mind. You have decieved us all".-- Ihavepinkbootson ( talk) 21:20, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
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I would like to state the problem of how it says Loki is the mother Of sleipnir, I'm not quite sure what that means! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.137.43 ( talk) 22:47, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
In Sumerian Mythology, Enlil is given dominion over Eurasia, while Enki is given dominion over Africa. "Enlil" means "Lord over all", whereas "Enki" means "Lord over the Earth". Specifically, Enki is the "creator" and patron God of Mankind, and often acts for the benefit of humans, while Enlil often acts to their detriment. One of Enki's titles, "Nudimmud", translates roughly as "Artificier" - Enki is the God that creates new technologies for Man (i.e. Prometheus giving fire to the Greeks, Loki tricking the Dwarves into creating many items [Mjoellnir, for example], and sundry similar myths starring Hermes as such a Friend of Man). The holes in this theory are the following: Enki and Enlil are on bad terms with each other, as are Loki and Odin, and Prometheus and Zeus - however, Hermes and Jove appear to be friendly towards each other, for the most part. Similarly, Enki is the creator of Modern Man, fulfilling a similar role to that of Heimdalr, yet it is Loki who slays Heimdalr at Ragnarok.
Perhaps the passage of time caused the myths to change slightly between different cultures, but there should still be sections in each of these characters' pages dealing with the (rather obvious) links between them, so that a better understanding of the potential roles of these characters can be ascertained.
Specifically, all that we know of Loki comes predominantly from Christian-era texts. The Christian God is often identified as Enlil from Sumerian Mythology, thus, if the Enlil/Enki conflict were to be translated into European myth, it would make sense for followers of Enlil to paint Enki in a bad light. If Odin corresponds with Enlil/Christian God, then Loki corresponds with Enki/The Adversary (Satan or Lucifer, depending on your preference). We cannot know exactly how Loki was seen by the Norse peoples, as we only have potentially (and probably) biased records against him. However, it would be viable to say that Loki was a similar figure to the Norse as Prometheus was to the early Greeks, and as Enki was to the Sumerians, Egyptians, Phoenicians, and so on.
Perhaps this topic of discussion is rather larger than originally intended. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.242.159.23 ( talk) 05:28, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
While it would be foolish to make unsubstantiated claims about specific cognates, this article seems to ignore any discussion of the importance of Loki as Trickster/Fool motif. That seems to be a problem. JDClaunch ( talk) 03:03, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
In this section it mentions Nari & Narfi, though the disambiguation pages say they are the same, just alternate spellings, and that the brother who changes into a wolf is Váli not Narfi (as Narfi is Nari). 71.34.67.135 ( talk) 06:01, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
The article fails to address the notion that there is no archeological evidence that Loki was ever actually worshiped. 209.2.210.144 ( talk) 22:51, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
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The section about the Snaptun Stone says "The figure is identified as Loki due to the lips, considered a reference to a tale recorded in Skáldskaparmál where the Sons of Ivaldi stitch up Loki's lips". The Slaldskaparmal acctually says it is Brokkr, and not Ivaldi's sons, who sows Loki's lips. I didn't modify this in the article itself, because it's possible that it is the source (Madsen, 1990) that is mistaken.. so I don't really know how to go about it.-- Munin75 ( talk) 05:19, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
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I've added this (the IP is me, but I've only just registered so added it when I was unregistered) because I was surprised that the article failed to mention an outstanding piece of the folklore from outside Scandinavia.-- Herneshound ( talk) 22:49, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
OK, I understand about Northvegr, though I disagree. Yes, the site has a religious function, but its ideological purpose is to provide translations of untranslated works within this religious category. However, that aside, I could have used the Faroe Islands Post Office, which is a site that is a prime source for Faroese folklore, but as the site merely reproduces without explanation I presumed that would be less acceptable than a source devoted to translating the texts. Would Wikipedia Loka_Táttur do as a source? Or would that also count as a commercial site, as it requires money to accomplish its ideological aims? -- Herneshound ( talk) 19:38, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, that sounded a little more aggressive than I intended. I would welcome a more expanisive explanation of why Northvegr is considered unreliable in order to assist me with any future contributions. :)-- Herneshound ( talk) 20:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
That is a better explanation, thanks. I don't care whether sites indulge3 in Ryborg criticism or obtain support by selling ads - my only concern is wether the material on the site is a reliable translation. Surely that is the issue when a translation is posted, not its ideology? I could say that a non-profit organisation generally has an ideology, so it would then be a question of personal preference of ideology, but that is netierh here nor there - the point is the reliability of the material, not the politics. What makes the material on Northvegr unreliable? -- Herneshound ( talk) 18:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I have replaced something about this into the article with the Wiki reference, under the 'folklore' sub-heading. -- Herneshound ( talk) 18:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
I'm struggling to find sources discussing the other possible theory of Loki's origin, that he developed out of the figure now known as Útgarða-Loki. It neatly explains why there is a vagueness as to whether Loki is a god or a giant/jotunn, and why there is no evidence he was actually worshipped. Both are trickster figures, too. According to the page on Útgarða-Loki, in Gesta Danorum, a figure called "Utgarthilocus" lies chained and tortured in a cave like Loki, another odd link between the two figures. Kaid100 ( talk) 02:52, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Could Loki be considered a god of chaos as well as a trickster? Jdogno5
This article seems to cover everything there is to know about Loki, but one thing. Where did Loki's power originate? He seems to be by far the most powerful of the Jotuns. Not only that, his power and influence is on par with Odin's, the leader of the Aesir. In fact, Loki is able to change the course of destiny. He fathers Fenrir, and all what the Aesir can do about it, is to bind the wolf. But they can't change the fact that Fenrir WILL kill Odin on Ragnarok. Odin, the most powerful of the Aesir, cannot prevent his own death by Loki (as the father of Fenrir). The same goes for Jormungandr. The Aesir cannot prevent Thor's death. They cannot bring back Baldur from Hel. They can't prevent or revert these things. Why not just kill the children of Loki and prevent all that from happening? Again, it seems that Loki is so powerful that he can change the course of destiny. He fathered Fenrir and from that moment on it was clear, and nothing could alter it, that Fenrir WILL kill Odin. It is destined that Odin will be killed. 88.153.214.148 ( talk) 02:39, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I have removed a large assortment of miscellaneous use of the name Loki in popular culture which appeared without any references. This section had multiple problems, a lack of external sources and a very shallow and unencyclopedic structure. It is important when dealing with the uses of historical and literary figures to explain, using third party, independent sources, why such borrowings are important. It doesn't realy matter that a character loosely based on Loki appeared in this or that comic book, and puts undue emphasis on pop-culture which in relation to the wider subject is only a minor concern. If serious academic study or critisim of the literature (read: comics and film) sheds some light on how Loki is used by these authors, then we can cite that, or if the authors in question have gone on record talking about their influences and specifically mention the mythological Loki, then we can cite that. I do specifically recall reading Neil Gaiman discussing his version of the character Thor, so he may well have mentioned Loki. It's worth doing the research to find these kind of sources, as it will improve the article. Otherwise there is no real reason to keep unsourced, largely trivial information. Davémon ( talk) 16:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
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This article quite often uses the plural form "jötnar" when the singular form "jötunn" is meant (e.g. "... Skaði's father, jötnar Þjazi." should be "... Skaði's father, the jötunn Þjazi.") All instances of "jötnar" that refer to a single person should be changed to "jötunn".
I would have edited it myself, but for some reason this page is locked... Fer radstake ( talk) 13:26, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
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In the 4th paragraph: change Loki is attested in the Poetic Edda to Loki is mentioned in the Poetic Edda
The original form implies that the existance ok Loki (not in a poem or legend or whatever, but in reality) is already accepted, known to be true and the Poetic Edda bears whitness to that. 188.24.179.239 ( talk) 08:52, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
The article reads: "In Norse mythology, Loki, Loptr, or Hveðrungr is a god or jötunn (or both)." What is the source for "or both"? Loki is a jötunn, not a god. I find this confusing, has "god" been added simply because popular culture of today keeps depicting Loki as a god? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:5A81:2F00:D46B:AC84:5733:B0D1 ( talk) 16:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
According to The Fairy Mythology, Loki is attested in the "Edda Resenii". See here. Those myths, if valid, should probably be added to the page; if it turns out that Keightley was inaccurate in claiming these to be legitimate myths, then maybe on a Loki in popular culture section? 72.12.205.35 ( talk) 03:37, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi,
AFAICR the river of venom running from Loke/Sigyn has a Norse name - Vån? -, but I can't find the name and esp. the meaning of it anywhere, not on the web, at least. Does anybody know? Or know where to, ahaha, looke? Then it could even be included in the article.
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88.91.200.88 ( talk) 20:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
Recently a user ( Madreterra ( talk · contribs)) has repeatedly been adding this wall of text to the introduction, complete with the usual sign of a problem—a daisy chain of Googled references, many of which are poor. In any case, the introduction already covers what this seems to be attempting to convey in a neutral and competent manner without some vague nonsense about undefined "depictions". However, the user is edit-warring, at times restoring the problematic text without an edit summary and not responding to questions about exactly what they're trying to communicate. If this keeps up, this page is going to need to be protected. :bloodofox: ( talk) 21:06, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
"I don't like it" is never a good enough reason. What exactly is wrong in putting Satan in the See Also section, aside from the petty reason of it going against your nerdy-ass fantasies? Music314812813478 ( talk) 00:19, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
His name in swedish should be mensioned at the start of the text together with his norwegian and islandic names. This god is nordic and not just norwegian. Does norse mean norwegian? 94.191.140.167 ( talk) 23:03, 13 April 2018 (UTC)
I believe the section heading "Attestations" is misused. In fact, the word is in direct contradiction to the subject matter.
From Merriam Webster: 1 : an act or instance of attesting something: such as a : a proving of the existence of something through evidence b : an official verification of something as true or authentic
2 : the proof or evidence by which something (such as the usage of a word) is attested
We are not pretending Loki is anything more than a mythical, supernatural being, are we? The word "attestation" is being applied to the literature recounting this being, but could also be misconstrued as proving the existence of the article's eponymous construct. It's the wrong word, it's superfluous, and imho does not belong in this article. Nickrz ( talk) 15:24, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
About an hour ago, one editor purged nearly the entire ==Modern popular culture== section, on the alleged grounds that discussion of Loki's appearance in modern storytelling has "zero educational value."
I undid this edit. Here is my rationale:
Encyclopædic coverage of modern storytelling is no less educational than encyclopædic coverage of ancient storytelling. Storytelling influences the cultures in which the stories are told, and modern stories involving Loki are of no less notability than ancient ones involving him.
Indeed, I would argue that the fact that Loki is prominent enough in our modern culture that stories are still being written about and involving him is of intrinsic educational value. The removal of the section only serves to make the article less educational than it previously was by hiding from the reader the enduring influence of Loki as a character.
(The reason I opted above to express my reasoning for the reversion is in an effort to ensure that no edit war results therefrom.)
allixpeeke ( talk) 06:30, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Pop culture sections are trash, and usually just turn into nerd trivia sections. No sources, big list, no proof of notability. And it's also WP:RECENTISM. A story can exist for thousands of years, but pop culture sections end up taking 2/3 of the article from media from the last 20 years. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 22:36, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
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want to ad that the character Atreus in God of War 2018 is revealed to be Loki at the end Humanstingmon ( talk) 08:22, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
As I see words get spelling corrected from perfectly good American English to perfectly good British English i wonder, is it time to pick one? —¿philoserf? ( talk) 21:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
As the introductory paragraphs of this article alone make clear, sources matter. Unfortunately, an editor is adding and readding an infobox to this article, as if it were a vehicle or a comic book character or some similar item or entity, rather than a deity known to us from a complex of often-contradictory and always complex sources. Unlike a brand of cereal, there's no ready-made set of stats one can list about a deity, as any such information is dependent upon source; something an infobox cannot communicate without turning into a paragraph. As it stands, infoboxes like these are misinformation for the reader. :bloodofox: ( talk) 18:12, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
No, it's not. All the information in the infobox can be found in the article itself. There are just some basic facts. Many pages use infoboxes, including mythology, history, etc. Complex subjects. You're over-simplifying them because you don't like them. That a subject is complex doesn't mean some basic facts can't be distilled from it and presented in a clean, summarized way. Controversial information has already been removed from the infobox.
And I see that you are, once again, calling in your friends to support your position. You can't even wait for people who follow this article to express their opinion?
Flordeneu ( talk) 18:23, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Quick note one of his many names that he’s usually the most popular is known as the locked one this is due to the fact that when he kills Baldur with the mistletoe arrow by deceiving his brother the blind one he’s locked away on Midgard chained up in a cave with a serpent dripping venom on his head constantly 69.119.145.159 ( talk) 18:47, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
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Loki also has a child thats an 8 legged horse that was then gifted to odin 122.56.76.171 ( talk) 23:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I fully expected the 90s film "The Mask" starring Jim Carrey to be here. Loki is an integral part of the story, the old wooden/metal "mask" relic washes ashore, and after a bout of chaos, this mask is later deemed to be related to old Norse culture, representing "Loki", where upon he is described as "the Night God of Mischief". It is after this point Stanley (Carrey) discovers the mask only works at night. Also, in Norse folklore, Loki is often referred to as a "shape shifter", we see evidence of this in all the crazy cartoon like manifestations of Stanleys suppressed "personalities", the same is seen in Dorian the villain, and even Milo the dog. Though Loki is only mentioned briefly, he's a huge part of the film plot, and given The Mask was an absolute blockbuster, I'm surprised it is not mentioned in the Modern Culture section and I feel the Wiki geeks should consider revising that. Thanks for reading :) Chaz x 2A02:C7C:D84B:5900:6EF6:325D:B079:7B9E ( talk) 05:18, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
Alessandro Nivola as Loki 148.252.132.57 ( talk) 13:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
Loki also appeard in the fantastical drama series called Ragnarok. 93.32.222.161 ( talk) 20:27, 1 September 2023 (UTC)
What of some of his lesser known children, such as his supposed daughter Moder? EmoTrash2319 ( talk) 08:31, 25 April 2024 (UTC)
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I want to add the loki series that came out in 2021 2A06:C701:74E6:4300:353A:4406:1035:D36F ( talk) 16:01, 18 May 2024 (UTC)