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Could this exceed Mach 1 in a dive if burner was used?
~ ~ Paul Murphy ~ ~
Tony LeVier mentions in his autobiography, "Pilot", in some detail (Chapter 15), that the F-94C could go supersonic. Hard to believe but I figure that he was there and I wasn't. I met him once at a lecture he gave at NASM and he did not sound like the type to tell "fish stories" in public. -- Phyllis1753 ( talk) 14:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Folks,
If anyone is interested in adding to the article, the F-94 was known by its pilots and ground crews as the aircraft "with a TV and overdrive."
Jackehammond ( talk) 13:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Jack E. Hammond Indiana, USA
.
Folks,
The entry indicates that the F-94C had both .50 caliber machine guns and the 2.75 inch rockets. Is there anyway to change that so to avoid confusion?
Jackehammond ( talk) 19:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC).
Dear Bzuk,
Yes, that is what I know. But I don't want to change the article, as it is so easy to step on some toes or the rules it seems. Also, a tidbit if anyone wishes to change the article. The F-94C 70mm rocket launcher was the most accurate of all the fighters fitted with the Might Mouse rockets in the 1950s. The reason being the tubes were closed at the rear end (ie they had to make the launch tubes heavier as result) and the launch speed was about double of the other USAF and USN fighters fitted with 70mm tubes open at both ends -- eg the F-86D. If need I can give the reference to a 1970s issue of "Aviation & Marine" an Italian publication also printed in English and sold world wide which was absorbed by the firm that became Jane's.
Also, I think I will drag out that issue of A&M. The F-94 was a crash development due to the failure of the XF-87. Lockheed told the USAF that they could have a night fighter version of the T-33A flying in 12 months.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Jackehammond ( talk) 12:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Jack E. Hammond
.
Folks,
I hope I did not mess anything up. I spent a couple of hours and found that 1970s publication with the big article on the F-94 Starfighter and the information that it was developed due to the failure of the Curtiss-Wright XF-87 and the problem with the afterburner. Jackehammond ( talk) 06:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
.
Folks,
There is a statement that one prototype of the F-94D was built which was a purposed single seat version of the F-94C for the long range escort fighter and close support role. This had been repeated in many articles. And it is true that the USAF ordered 112 examples of the F-94D. But it never went beyond the paper stage according to all the sources I checked. But it is a legit error since many publications repeated it many times over.
Jackehammond ( talk) 06:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
.
If the drawings in the external links are from a USAF manual then they are in the public domain and could be uploaded to commons as public domain. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
.
While talking about the F-94C, this article states: "This version of the aircraft was extensively used within the Semi Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) air defense system." Really? What's the reference for this? It doesn't seem likely as the F-94C left the active duty Air Force inventory in Feb 1959 (and ANG inventory the following year) while the very first SAGE air division only became operational a month earlier in Jan 1959 (Leonard's "History of Strategic and Ballistic Missile Defense" (V. 2, p. 312). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.12 ( talk) 14:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
In the same paragraph where the curious statement is made that the F-94C was "extensively used" with the SAGE system in the few months when the two were both were operational (if true, then surprising no one investigated the Air Force for wasting money equipping an aircraft with the SAGE hardware just to retire it when the SAGE system started to be deployed), is this gem: "The largest problem discovered in service was the nose-mounted rockets, which blinded the crew with their smoke and fire. The most severe problem associated with firing the nose-mounted rockets was that the exhaust could cause a flameout of the jet engine, which could lead to loss of the aircraft." Assuming "largest problem" and "most severe problem" mean roughly the same thing, it would appear there's a competition for which problem rates this "prize" amongst wiki writers (or perhaps it is just one confused teenaged contributor to this fine scholarly endeavor). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.162 ( talk) 12:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Seems odd that no mention is made of the aerial victory scored by Fithian and Lyons of the 319th on the night of Jan 30, 1953. See for example: http://www.319th.com/korea.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.16 ( talk) 12:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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Could this exceed Mach 1 in a dive if burner was used?
~ ~ Paul Murphy ~ ~
Tony LeVier mentions in his autobiography, "Pilot", in some detail (Chapter 15), that the F-94C could go supersonic. Hard to believe but I figure that he was there and I wasn't. I met him once at a lecture he gave at NASM and he did not sound like the type to tell "fish stories" in public. -- Phyllis1753 ( talk) 14:33, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
Folks,
If anyone is interested in adding to the article, the F-94 was known by its pilots and ground crews as the aircraft "with a TV and overdrive."
Jackehammond ( talk) 13:03, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Jack E. Hammond Indiana, USA
.
Folks,
The entry indicates that the F-94C had both .50 caliber machine guns and the 2.75 inch rockets. Is there anyway to change that so to avoid confusion?
Jackehammond ( talk) 19:57, 24 November 2009 (UTC).
Dear Bzuk,
Yes, that is what I know. But I don't want to change the article, as it is so easy to step on some toes or the rules it seems. Also, a tidbit if anyone wishes to change the article. The F-94C 70mm rocket launcher was the most accurate of all the fighters fitted with the Might Mouse rockets in the 1950s. The reason being the tubes were closed at the rear end (ie they had to make the launch tubes heavier as result) and the launch speed was about double of the other USAF and USN fighters fitted with 70mm tubes open at both ends -- eg the F-86D. If need I can give the reference to a 1970s issue of "Aviation & Marine" an Italian publication also printed in English and sold world wide which was absorbed by the firm that became Jane's.
Also, I think I will drag out that issue of A&M. The F-94 was a crash development due to the failure of the XF-87. Lockheed told the USAF that they could have a night fighter version of the T-33A flying in 12 months.
Again, thank you for your reply.
Jackehammond ( talk) 12:59, 3 December 2009 (UTC)Jack E. Hammond
.
Folks,
I hope I did not mess anything up. I spent a couple of hours and found that 1970s publication with the big article on the F-94 Starfighter and the information that it was developed due to the failure of the Curtiss-Wright XF-87 and the problem with the afterburner. Jackehammond ( talk) 06:04, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
.
Folks,
There is a statement that one prototype of the F-94D was built which was a purposed single seat version of the F-94C for the long range escort fighter and close support role. This had been repeated in many articles. And it is true that the USAF ordered 112 examples of the F-94D. But it never went beyond the paper stage according to all the sources I checked. But it is a legit error since many publications repeated it many times over.
Jackehammond ( talk) 06:57, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
.
If the drawings in the external links are from a USAF manual then they are in the public domain and could be uploaded to commons as public domain. MilborneOne ( talk) 12:07, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
.
While talking about the F-94C, this article states: "This version of the aircraft was extensively used within the Semi Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) air defense system." Really? What's the reference for this? It doesn't seem likely as the F-94C left the active duty Air Force inventory in Feb 1959 (and ANG inventory the following year) while the very first SAGE air division only became operational a month earlier in Jan 1959 (Leonard's "History of Strategic and Ballistic Missile Defense" (V. 2, p. 312). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.12 ( talk) 14:13, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
In the same paragraph where the curious statement is made that the F-94C was "extensively used" with the SAGE system in the few months when the two were both were operational (if true, then surprising no one investigated the Air Force for wasting money equipping an aircraft with the SAGE hardware just to retire it when the SAGE system started to be deployed), is this gem: "The largest problem discovered in service was the nose-mounted rockets, which blinded the crew with their smoke and fire. The most severe problem associated with firing the nose-mounted rockets was that the exhaust could cause a flameout of the jet engine, which could lead to loss of the aircraft." Assuming "largest problem" and "most severe problem" mean roughly the same thing, it would appear there's a competition for which problem rates this "prize" amongst wiki writers (or perhaps it is just one confused teenaged contributor to this fine scholarly endeavor). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.162 ( talk) 12:23, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Seems odd that no mention is made of the aerial victory scored by Fithian and Lyons of the 319th on the night of Jan 30, 1953. See for example: http://www.319th.com/korea.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.48.16 ( talk) 12:34, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
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