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It has no units!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.217.140 ( talk) 11:17, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is currently called Livestock Unit, and it covers various measures of livestock equivalence going under this name. However, there are other measures of livestock equivalence with different names, which are really exactly the same thing: for example Dry Sheep Equivalent, Animal unit, Ruminant Livestock Unit, Unité Bovin Tropical and Unité-Gros-Bétail.
It seems to me that the important material for this article is the way in which different animals are compared, not the particular scheme used, nor its name. Effectively the current situation is like dealing with the whole topic of length under the title " mile": there are several different definitions of "mile", but there are also many other measurements with other names which all measure the same thing.
I therefore propose that Dry Sheep Equivalent and Animal unit are merged here. The article would then be renamed with a more general title that covers the whole concept. I can't find a widely used umbrella term, so I think we have to go with a logical name such as Measure of livestock equivalence, or Standard stock unit (the latter is used by this FAO paper: [1]) Richard New Forest ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
How about a single article here covering the concept, with sections for each of the major types and then the comparison table? Any of the types that have too much material to fit in a section here would then also have their own articles, with "main article" links. At the moment the material in Dry Sheep Equivalent would easily fit in a section – do you think it's likely to get much more? Richard New Forest ( talk) 15:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Most of them can theoretically include all grazing animals, so that's not a difference between them. Equines are usually given a nominal weight more than their actual weight, because they have less efficient digestion and so need more forage – but that's no excuse for assuming they're all the same size.
I don't think the merged article should be called either "Animal Unit" or "Livestock Unit". These are not really terms of art for the same thing but defined units which measure the same thing, like "mile" and "kilometre". What we need is a term for the thing they are measuring.
Cgoodwin, I don't understand your argument. The Australian unit is of course very important in Australia, but it's not used at all anywhere else; the equivalent goes for the UK unit and indeed most of the others (apart from the FAO ones). However, they are all measuring the same thing, and if we keep all the articles separate and they all describe the concept fully, we'll have duplicate articles. I think we really need more justification for two (or more) articles covering the same material.
However, it would be nice to come to a consensus... How about this:
How does that sound? Richard New Forest ( talk) 13:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Done as far as I can as per discussion above: LU article renamed Livestock grazing comparison, minor or similar units omitted, other major units included. Animal unit and Dry Sheep Equivalent articles left as they were, except for links to this article and removing merge proposals. Richard New Forest ( talk) 21:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
This link doesn't lead directly to the article, but rather to the home page. Change it to the link for the exact article. 11.^ Cornforth, I S and Sinclair, A G, Fertiliser Recommendations for Pastures and Crops in New Zealand, 2nd Ed (New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture, Wellington, New Zealand, 1984), quoted in A History of the Stock Unit System, New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture 4.248.222.68 ( talk) 13:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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It has no units!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.195.217.140 ( talk) 11:17, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
This article is currently called Livestock Unit, and it covers various measures of livestock equivalence going under this name. However, there are other measures of livestock equivalence with different names, which are really exactly the same thing: for example Dry Sheep Equivalent, Animal unit, Ruminant Livestock Unit, Unité Bovin Tropical and Unité-Gros-Bétail.
It seems to me that the important material for this article is the way in which different animals are compared, not the particular scheme used, nor its name. Effectively the current situation is like dealing with the whole topic of length under the title " mile": there are several different definitions of "mile", but there are also many other measurements with other names which all measure the same thing.
I therefore propose that Dry Sheep Equivalent and Animal unit are merged here. The article would then be renamed with a more general title that covers the whole concept. I can't find a widely used umbrella term, so I think we have to go with a logical name such as Measure of livestock equivalence, or Standard stock unit (the latter is used by this FAO paper: [1]) Richard New Forest ( talk) 15:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
How about a single article here covering the concept, with sections for each of the major types and then the comparison table? Any of the types that have too much material to fit in a section here would then also have their own articles, with "main article" links. At the moment the material in Dry Sheep Equivalent would easily fit in a section – do you think it's likely to get much more? Richard New Forest ( talk) 15:13, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Most of them can theoretically include all grazing animals, so that's not a difference between them. Equines are usually given a nominal weight more than their actual weight, because they have less efficient digestion and so need more forage – but that's no excuse for assuming they're all the same size.
I don't think the merged article should be called either "Animal Unit" or "Livestock Unit". These are not really terms of art for the same thing but defined units which measure the same thing, like "mile" and "kilometre". What we need is a term for the thing they are measuring.
Cgoodwin, I don't understand your argument. The Australian unit is of course very important in Australia, but it's not used at all anywhere else; the equivalent goes for the UK unit and indeed most of the others (apart from the FAO ones). However, they are all measuring the same thing, and if we keep all the articles separate and they all describe the concept fully, we'll have duplicate articles. I think we really need more justification for two (or more) articles covering the same material.
However, it would be nice to come to a consensus... How about this:
How does that sound? Richard New Forest ( talk) 13:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Done as far as I can as per discussion above: LU article renamed Livestock grazing comparison, minor or similar units omitted, other major units included. Animal unit and Dry Sheep Equivalent articles left as they were, except for links to this article and removing merge proposals. Richard New Forest ( talk) 21:18, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
This link doesn't lead directly to the article, but rather to the home page. Change it to the link for the exact article. 11.^ Cornforth, I S and Sinclair, A G, Fertiliser Recommendations for Pastures and Crops in New Zealand, 2nd Ed (New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture, Wellington, New Zealand, 1984), quoted in A History of the Stock Unit System, New Zealand Ministry of Agriculture 4.248.222.68 ( talk) 13:27, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
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