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I would also like a column to display the international air date (via Canada channel Treehouse) in addition to the earlier Nick Jr dates. Can we incorporate that? 64.228.91.102 ( talk) 17:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This series has enough episodes now that I think we could consider splitting the episode list to its own page, what is required for this? There is already a gaudy whitespace left due to interaction with the top-right infobox, and it would get much bigger once descriptions are added. 64.228.91.102 ( talk) 02:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
The footage of the Sparkle Tree in "No Charm in the House" appears in "The Magic of Charmville" so even though TMoC aired before NCitH the chronological order is different.
Not sure what order Nick aired them in, if both, but probably says something about the production order if the codes can be located. 64.228.89.137 ( talk) 00:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Someone listed "Sing Song Pox" and "Tooth on the Loose" as episode 26 but with a US air date of October 26, 3 days from now. Why is it listed as being earlier than other episodes? Shouldn't it be at the end? 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 17:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
If the Google Doc is true and the Halloween episode first aired there in May this makes me wonder if any other episodes had earlier debuts in that country.
Should we make a third air date column for Brazil? Not sure how verifiable these would be though. I don't know if the template supports a tertiary input either. I'm for keeping US as main and Canada as Alt since that's most of the data so far.
Since there doesn't seem to be a consistent first/second I propose we bold the earlier known date for each episode so it is clear which country an episode first aired in to the best of our knowledge at that time. 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 18:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I did not think of this until now, but I have some episodes on demand via Bell. This assigns numbers to certain stories. Although it does not give the titles, these can be discerned from the summaries it does provide.
It is not conclusive but here is what I see at present. All begin with "S.01" indicating all are in the first season.
These are all full episodes but in many cases the summary only reflects one segment, I have seen this error on summaries sometimes, like they are short on space or lazy. Anyway I believe it implies this order:
So in every case the On-Demand numbers which Treehouse has associated with these episodes differs from what we have in the table. There are cases when episodes become available On Demand prior to actualky being broadcast. Unfortunately the data it was added is not listed and I don't remember when it first went up.
Is it possible these assigned numbers reflect production coding?
Also it seems around the time there would be a split into a season 2 so we should keep a look out for indications of that. 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 18:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Now some different episodes are available on demand I will give summaries for. If anyone doubts I can take screencaps. The summaries should allow us to match it up with the titles and I can also watch the start to make sure they match up. Some of them just trail off as if they are character-capped portions of fuller descriptions pasted there from the distributors. Even though they are full 24 minute episodes which should have 2 stories, the descriptions for 1-4 only appear to reflect one story while 29 and 31-34 have 2 sentences reflecting two.
This also indicates that season 2 had not begun up to 34. Until eps 35-40 appear on-demand I will not know if they are still S1 though. Based on the above summaries I match these up with:
I will skim through these on-demand to confirm but we may need to fix some things. These numbers might reflect production codes or the original air order via Nick. Since we are lacking air dates, the order of later episodes has been established on Treehouse-Canada dates which may have altered the order. If we can find some Nick Jr debut dates and check if they match the above order that might clarify things. -- 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 15:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Thought it would be good to have a section discussing implications of this.
https://www.amazon.com/Franken-Flare-Charming-Cheers/dp/B013D2U4NY/191-1010554-4886429?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 claims there are THREE seasons and refers to Franken Flare / Charming Cheers as season 2 episode 7. We list it as episode 17 so I get the impression they are declaring each 10 episodes as a season.
Per the above list where Treehouse On Demand explicitly refers to Season 1 Episode 25, I do not get the impression they agree with whoever is selling the episode on Amazon.
I believe this confusion may be related to how iTunes markets it. https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/little-charmers-vol.-2/id961135798 describes episodes 11-20 as "volume 2" so its likely when shipped to Amazon that volume was confused for season.
This same volume 2 division is seen on NickJrPlay's YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELn4Xjbu6psfTJaLym5qy7Mg where they require payment to view the videos.
Based on the consistency of the official YT/iTunes/Amazon (majority favoring "volume" over "season") would anyone be agreeable to splitting the episode list by volume? Or, like DVD compilations, is this something we should only note afterward?
Of interest is the iTunes volume 2 says it was released February 20, 2015. This is the date of episode 11. Could this mean episodes 12-20 were released by Apple prior to being televised? 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 18:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Do we have anything besides this as a reference? Where did FC get this data? Where is 108 and 115 and 117 and 118 and 119 and 120?
He calls it 40 eps of 80x11min. This is already an error since we already have 7 full-episode segments which are not 11 min. Only 25 are split into 50x11min so far. How do we know there will be 8 more? Does The Futon Critic have privy info? 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 19:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Since you keep hopping IPs and making it needlessly difficult to discuss matters with you directly, I'll post this publicly. Please stop using unnecessary parentheticals as you did in this edit as well as other edits at other articles. Parentheticals are sloppy. They're not intended to replace proper grammar, and they are certainly not intended to be packages of information that people haphazardly mash into article prose. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 05:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Noticed it referred to Band on the Run / Picture Perfect Posie as episode 32, but it is 34th on our table. Any idea which 2 episodes Z2I is missing?
http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/little-charmers/episode-guide/EP02093284?aid=zap2it
In going through it, it does appear our table could use some re-ordering. Due to a March 22 debut, Zip Zoom Broom / Sheep Over Party should be episode 14, moving Sparkle Bunny to 15 as it aired March 29. Frankenflare/Charming Cheers is also listed as the 29th so I am not sure how priority was decided but Zap lists it as episode 16 so I guess it aired after.
Took a shot showing the difference between the on-screen title versus what it shows up in as TV guides at http://imgur.com/i8OPZa2 if anyone is skeptical. -- 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 15:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Pages from this site have been added to support ratings for some episodes. I assumed good faith til now since checking was an overwhelming task but today checked one to see if it mentioned a title or number out of curiosity:
This is listed next to Zip Zoom Broom, allegedly supporting a 0.65 rating. I was not able to locate it on the chart. Tried portions of the title to no avail. I looked for where it should end up on the chart at the bottom which lists all 100 and is searchable (made of text) and Rizzoli and Isles has 0.63 and above it is Pretty Little Liars with 0.84.
This makes me call into doubt all of these. Manually checking each one may have to wait. I won't boldly remove these ratings and there references without first giving a chance to fix them or receive an explanation on how to navigate the page by the adder.
Ideally if we can confirm one of these SBD references, a quote should be provided from the page of the supporting text, as an affirmation of having read it and confirmed it supports the rating. If this is to stand the test of time, making sure Wayback archives it would also be good. If you are worried that SBD added a rating then changed it later, archives would prevent such tampering. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 05:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Noticed something interesting at http://www.nelvana.com/show/228/little-charmers Archived 2016-01-06 at the Wayback Machine it says "Season 1, 2" but it only says 40 episodes and I know from viewing the on-demand profile that it's still considered season 1 as of episode 35. So unless season 2 is only 5 episodes, this might mean they initially meant it to be 20 eps a season but the distributors didn't bother with it?
Also says length is 80x11 minutes. This for the most part conforms to most of the 40 eps being 2-part but there are 8 episodes which are solid all the way through, not 2 part. -- 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 06:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Gatordragon: I have been looking for places we can verify our missing dates and have been looking for OnDemand sites which give more extensive data. Happened across https://www.directv.com/tv/Little-Charmers-dmtQV3l4VFhvSVNGby9GckxSaXJvUT09 which may be useful. It associates numbers with title and lists some "First Aired" dates we can contrast with what is up.
What is nice is each episode has its own URL so we can cite them individually rather than a master list. It will be a bit time-consuming to add but I think it could help build on our conversation. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 21:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
It counts only 27 even though the list goes up to 32, meaning that it is missing 5 titles. Here is what I see (removing the "New" tags which appear after everything except ep 1):
So looking above, absent is episode 5, 9 15, 20 and 21 (and naturally 33+) but enough exist that as I go through and cite the sub-pages for each one and check them against our existing numbers/titles/dates it should be easy enough to figure out by process of elimination what goes where. Although it does have the full-ep specials of Magical Moments and Musical Mistakes, it is missing the compilation specials of Pet Friends Forever and The Magic of Charmville. It is also missing the Valentine special "Charmy Hearts Day" and the Easter special of Sparkle Bunny. I believe the final gap may end up being "Spooky Pumpkin Moon Night" which is apparently not episode 32 as we originally thought. As I incorporate these sources into the list, it should settle the issue of unsourced dates and official numbering that has been going on. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 04:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
In spite of the January 19 announcement that Little Charmers was scheduled to debut on January 31 on Treehouse, records from Treehouse distributor BellTV reflect that episode 2 (Double Trouble Spell and Charming Pets) debuted Sunday January 25 and episode 1 (Prince Not So Charming and A Charming Outfit) debuted Sunday February 1.
I took physical photographs of the Bell TV guide on my TV as well as PrtScn captures of the guide as it is presented to people on the website. All 4 are at http://imgur.com/a/KGCdp and support these dates. Unfortunately this is data not everyone can access because you need to have a MyBell account to be able to log in to check this data. It is at https://mybell.bell.ca/TV/Guide/?showguide=1 but without the ?AcctNo= and then account number, the guide does not display. The "What's On TV" section available to view by people who are not logged into a MyBell account does not provide as much information, and does not tell you the original air date, just the title.
I would like to cite this data as soon as I can figure out the proper template to use for it. I am not sure what to classify it as. FAQs alternatively call it a "TV guide" or "channel guide". Any ideas? Would a simple citeweb with a note that it is subscription-based data access? It is unfortunate that I cannot think of a way to distribute this in original form but I can't think of a way of doing that without giving out my account number and password, which I am not interested in doing, so screenshot is all I can think of doing. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 03:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I noticed the same IP just added and removed these as upcoming episodes for March 29 and am very curious about this. If it is cited on zap or something we could add it.. 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 17:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I totally agree with the first comment I saw on the discussion page. It really should be altered into List of Little Charmers Episodes. Because it has SO MANY EPISODES NOW! When the horse did it start?! Please do the split now. Love Peter Lowenbrau Griffin.
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I see that there's a lot of episodes, and I'm willing to do the switch to "List of Little Charmers episodes," but since there's a debate on episode numbering I have to wonder how many seasons does this show have and when does it start and end? If this is all one season (which is really hard to believe), then we cannot switch it to its own page until season 2 episode 1 has been confirmed. Palettepony895 ( talk) 00:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
And speaking of seasons, what's up with the episode numbering fiasco anyway? Nick Jr.'s site gives some episode numbers, shouldn't we use that, or is there a problem with it? Palettepony895 ( talk) 00:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
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I would also like a column to display the international air date (via Canada channel Treehouse) in addition to the earlier Nick Jr dates. Can we incorporate that? 64.228.91.102 ( talk) 17:01, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
This series has enough episodes now that I think we could consider splitting the episode list to its own page, what is required for this? There is already a gaudy whitespace left due to interaction with the top-right infobox, and it would get much bigger once descriptions are added. 64.228.91.102 ( talk) 02:18, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
The footage of the Sparkle Tree in "No Charm in the House" appears in "The Magic of Charmville" so even though TMoC aired before NCitH the chronological order is different.
Not sure what order Nick aired them in, if both, but probably says something about the production order if the codes can be located. 64.228.89.137 ( talk) 00:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
Someone listed "Sing Song Pox" and "Tooth on the Loose" as episode 26 but with a US air date of October 26, 3 days from now. Why is it listed as being earlier than other episodes? Shouldn't it be at the end? 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 17:40, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
If the Google Doc is true and the Halloween episode first aired there in May this makes me wonder if any other episodes had earlier debuts in that country.
Should we make a third air date column for Brazil? Not sure how verifiable these would be though. I don't know if the template supports a tertiary input either. I'm for keeping US as main and Canada as Alt since that's most of the data so far.
Since there doesn't seem to be a consistent first/second I propose we bold the earlier known date for each episode so it is clear which country an episode first aired in to the best of our knowledge at that time. 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 18:02, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I did not think of this until now, but I have some episodes on demand via Bell. This assigns numbers to certain stories. Although it does not give the titles, these can be discerned from the summaries it does provide.
It is not conclusive but here is what I see at present. All begin with "S.01" indicating all are in the first season.
These are all full episodes but in many cases the summary only reflects one segment, I have seen this error on summaries sometimes, like they are short on space or lazy. Anyway I believe it implies this order:
So in every case the On-Demand numbers which Treehouse has associated with these episodes differs from what we have in the table. There are cases when episodes become available On Demand prior to actualky being broadcast. Unfortunately the data it was added is not listed and I don't remember when it first went up.
Is it possible these assigned numbers reflect production coding?
Also it seems around the time there would be a split into a season 2 so we should keep a look out for indications of that. 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 18:27, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Now some different episodes are available on demand I will give summaries for. If anyone doubts I can take screencaps. The summaries should allow us to match it up with the titles and I can also watch the start to make sure they match up. Some of them just trail off as if they are character-capped portions of fuller descriptions pasted there from the distributors. Even though they are full 24 minute episodes which should have 2 stories, the descriptions for 1-4 only appear to reflect one story while 29 and 31-34 have 2 sentences reflecting two.
This also indicates that season 2 had not begun up to 34. Until eps 35-40 appear on-demand I will not know if they are still S1 though. Based on the above summaries I match these up with:
I will skim through these on-demand to confirm but we may need to fix some things. These numbers might reflect production codes or the original air order via Nick. Since we are lacking air dates, the order of later episodes has been established on Treehouse-Canada dates which may have altered the order. If we can find some Nick Jr debut dates and check if they match the above order that might clarify things. -- 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 15:38, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Thought it would be good to have a section discussing implications of this.
https://www.amazon.com/Franken-Flare-Charming-Cheers/dp/B013D2U4NY/191-1010554-4886429?_encoding=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0 claims there are THREE seasons and refers to Franken Flare / Charming Cheers as season 2 episode 7. We list it as episode 17 so I get the impression they are declaring each 10 episodes as a season.
Per the above list where Treehouse On Demand explicitly refers to Season 1 Episode 25, I do not get the impression they agree with whoever is selling the episode on Amazon.
I believe this confusion may be related to how iTunes markets it. https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/little-charmers-vol.-2/id961135798 describes episodes 11-20 as "volume 2" so its likely when shipped to Amazon that volume was confused for season.
This same volume 2 division is seen on NickJrPlay's YouTube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=ELn4Xjbu6psfTJaLym5qy7Mg where they require payment to view the videos.
Based on the consistency of the official YT/iTunes/Amazon (majority favoring "volume" over "season") would anyone be agreeable to splitting the episode list by volume? Or, like DVD compilations, is this something we should only note afterward?
Of interest is the iTunes volume 2 says it was released February 20, 2015. This is the date of episode 11. Could this mean episodes 12-20 were released by Apple prior to being televised? 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 18:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Do we have anything besides this as a reference? Where did FC get this data? Where is 108 and 115 and 117 and 118 and 119 and 120?
He calls it 40 eps of 80x11min. This is already an error since we already have 7 full-episode segments which are not 11 min. Only 25 are split into 50x11min so far. How do we know there will be 8 more? Does The Futon Critic have privy info? 64.228.90.179 ( talk) 19:14, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Since you keep hopping IPs and making it needlessly difficult to discuss matters with you directly, I'll post this publicly. Please stop using unnecessary parentheticals as you did in this edit as well as other edits at other articles. Parentheticals are sloppy. They're not intended to replace proper grammar, and they are certainly not intended to be packages of information that people haphazardly mash into article prose. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb ( talk) 05:17, 28 October 2015 (UTC)
Noticed it referred to Band on the Run / Picture Perfect Posie as episode 32, but it is 34th on our table. Any idea which 2 episodes Z2I is missing?
http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tv/little-charmers/episode-guide/EP02093284?aid=zap2it
In going through it, it does appear our table could use some re-ordering. Due to a March 22 debut, Zip Zoom Broom / Sheep Over Party should be episode 14, moving Sparkle Bunny to 15 as it aired March 29. Frankenflare/Charming Cheers is also listed as the 29th so I am not sure how priority was decided but Zap lists it as episode 16 so I guess it aired after.
Took a shot showing the difference between the on-screen title versus what it shows up in as TV guides at http://imgur.com/i8OPZa2 if anyone is skeptical. -- 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 15:28, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
Pages from this site have been added to support ratings for some episodes. I assumed good faith til now since checking was an overwhelming task but today checked one to see if it mentioned a title or number out of curiosity:
This is listed next to Zip Zoom Broom, allegedly supporting a 0.65 rating. I was not able to locate it on the chart. Tried portions of the title to no avail. I looked for where it should end up on the chart at the bottom which lists all 100 and is searchable (made of text) and Rizzoli and Isles has 0.63 and above it is Pretty Little Liars with 0.84.
This makes me call into doubt all of these. Manually checking each one may have to wait. I won't boldly remove these ratings and there references without first giving a chance to fix them or receive an explanation on how to navigate the page by the adder.
Ideally if we can confirm one of these SBD references, a quote should be provided from the page of the supporting text, as an affirmation of having read it and confirmed it supports the rating. If this is to stand the test of time, making sure Wayback archives it would also be good. If you are worried that SBD added a rating then changed it later, archives would prevent such tampering. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 05:40, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
Noticed something interesting at http://www.nelvana.com/show/228/little-charmers Archived 2016-01-06 at the Wayback Machine it says "Season 1, 2" but it only says 40 episodes and I know from viewing the on-demand profile that it's still considered season 1 as of episode 35. So unless season 2 is only 5 episodes, this might mean they initially meant it to be 20 eps a season but the distributors didn't bother with it?
Also says length is 80x11 minutes. This for the most part conforms to most of the 40 eps being 2-part but there are 8 episodes which are solid all the way through, not 2 part. -- 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 06:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Gatordragon: I have been looking for places we can verify our missing dates and have been looking for OnDemand sites which give more extensive data. Happened across https://www.directv.com/tv/Little-Charmers-dmtQV3l4VFhvSVNGby9GckxSaXJvUT09 which may be useful. It associates numbers with title and lists some "First Aired" dates we can contrast with what is up.
What is nice is each episode has its own URL so we can cite them individually rather than a master list. It will be a bit time-consuming to add but I think it could help build on our conversation. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 21:15, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
It counts only 27 even though the list goes up to 32, meaning that it is missing 5 titles. Here is what I see (removing the "New" tags which appear after everything except ep 1):
So looking above, absent is episode 5, 9 15, 20 and 21 (and naturally 33+) but enough exist that as I go through and cite the sub-pages for each one and check them against our existing numbers/titles/dates it should be easy enough to figure out by process of elimination what goes where. Although it does have the full-ep specials of Magical Moments and Musical Mistakes, it is missing the compilation specials of Pet Friends Forever and The Magic of Charmville. It is also missing the Valentine special "Charmy Hearts Day" and the Easter special of Sparkle Bunny. I believe the final gap may end up being "Spooky Pumpkin Moon Night" which is apparently not episode 32 as we originally thought. As I incorporate these sources into the list, it should settle the issue of unsourced dates and official numbering that has been going on. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 04:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
In spite of the January 19 announcement that Little Charmers was scheduled to debut on January 31 on Treehouse, records from Treehouse distributor BellTV reflect that episode 2 (Double Trouble Spell and Charming Pets) debuted Sunday January 25 and episode 1 (Prince Not So Charming and A Charming Outfit) debuted Sunday February 1.
I took physical photographs of the Bell TV guide on my TV as well as PrtScn captures of the guide as it is presented to people on the website. All 4 are at http://imgur.com/a/KGCdp and support these dates. Unfortunately this is data not everyone can access because you need to have a MyBell account to be able to log in to check this data. It is at https://mybell.bell.ca/TV/Guide/?showguide=1 but without the ?AcctNo= and then account number, the guide does not display. The "What's On TV" section available to view by people who are not logged into a MyBell account does not provide as much information, and does not tell you the original air date, just the title.
I would like to cite this data as soon as I can figure out the proper template to use for it. I am not sure what to classify it as. FAQs alternatively call it a "TV guide" or "channel guide". Any ideas? Would a simple citeweb with a note that it is subscription-based data access? It is unfortunate that I cannot think of a way to distribute this in original form but I can't think of a way of doing that without giving out my account number and password, which I am not interested in doing, so screenshot is all I can think of doing. 174.92.135.167 ( talk) 03:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
I noticed the same IP just added and removed these as upcoming episodes for March 29 and am very curious about this. If it is cited on zap or something we could add it.. 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 17:30, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
I totally agree with the first comment I saw on the discussion page. It really should be altered into List of Little Charmers Episodes. Because it has SO MANY EPISODES NOW! When the horse did it start?! Please do the split now. Love Peter Lowenbrau Griffin.
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I see this page is frequently vandalised and ruined by poor edits. Can some users more experienced than me in these problems be of help? -- Lonely Boy ( talk) 20:01, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
I see that there's a lot of episodes, and I'm willing to do the switch to "List of Little Charmers episodes," but since there's a debate on episode numbering I have to wonder how many seasons does this show have and when does it start and end? If this is all one season (which is really hard to believe), then we cannot switch it to its own page until season 2 episode 1 has been confirmed. Palettepony895 ( talk) 00:50, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
And speaking of seasons, what's up with the episode numbering fiasco anyway? Nick Jr.'s site gives some episode numbers, shouldn't we use that, or is there a problem with it? Palettepony895 ( talk) 00:57, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
-- Lonely Boy ( talk) 16:18, 3 February 2017 (UTC)