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I wonder what were the names for the months used prior to 1918. Were they based on Latin? // Halibu tt 19:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Invented weekdays:
A comparison with Prussian-Lithuanian shows that today's weekdays are ahistorical. These are the entries from Kurschat's German-(Prussian-)Lithuanian dictionary of 1870. All are Slavic loanwords.
Montag: panedelis - pirmadienis
Dienstag: utarninkas - antradienis
Mittwoch: sereda - treciadienis
Donnerstag: ketwergas - ketvirtadienis
Freitag: petnyczia - penktadienis
Samstag: subata - sestadienis
Sonntag: nedelia - sekmadienis
Lutz Szemkus
I added the historic names to the article. The entry for vasaris is a little mysterious since the historic versions don't include anything like it. A possibly crackpot theory comes to mind - could it be connected to independence being declared in that month? Reference was here: [1] Novickas 16:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a note: perhaps it can be confirmed that "Kova" is not just a struggle, but a struggle to the death. Although it would not be attributable (or even necessarily correct) I heard a native explain that a lot of Lithuanians make it through the winter, only to die in March. The point more would be about how they think about it. 72.66.254.84 ( talk) 21:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)MJR
I have read in many places that Lithuania had at some point a Nine Day (or Nine Night) Week? Although I'm unable to find a reliable cite.
I noticed in this article The Gediminas Sceptre, a medieval Lithuanian calendar has nine of something;
The
Celts had a nine night week (with eight days), maybe some relation? Can anyone throw any light on this?
Hope to link a nine day/night section in
Week to here --
Pnb73 (
talk) 09:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Yes, I seem to find a lot of information that this goes back to the Ancient Balts at least. I'm trying to find more cites on exactly why this is stated, i.e. reference to exact artifacts. Unfortunately most research is in languages I don't know. -- Pnb73 ( talk) 19:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the nine-day week and/or this calendar abandoned? I assume it was when
Lithuania was Christianized in 1387? and they converted to a seven-day week and the
Julian calendar? --
Pnb73 (
talk) 13:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi - according to this ref ( [4], the root ausis.gf.vu.lt is a Vilnius University site) the Julian calendar was adopted in the middle of the 13th century. On the other hand, Gediminas lived 1275 – 1341. Needs a little more research, will see what I can find... Novickas ( talk) 14:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Here's one from the Palanga Amber Museum: Po Žemaitijos krikšto 1413 m. buvo įvestas Julijaus kalendorius. (After Žemaitija was christianized in 1413 the Julian calendar was adopted). [5] The problem is that Žemaitija was about the last area of LT to be christianized. But I think it's safe to say about 1400. The details of its adoption are probably buried in some scholarly monographs, it was probably not a single nationwide decree. Hope this helps, Novickas ( talk) 15:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
No one uses anymore 9-day week. It was not based on lunar month, that currently is mix-based of modern calendar. It seems, that 9-day week came from Solar calendar, that could divide 360 into 40 weeks plus extra 5 days, which were most likely used in solstice celebrations, because without modern technology it is only approximately possible to say where Sun reaches these maximum points on horizon, not to mention, that it is unusualy to have rainy and foggy mornings. Solstices, equinoxes and time between these were pivotal points in this calendar system(5 9-day weeks between equinox and solstice) and they were not only Holy days(which now is name for Sunday in baltic and also estonian languages), but also divided 8 "months" into seasons and middle of season. Lunar movement observation was of no use for livestock breeding and farming, as in northern hemisphere there was only harvesting once per year, not unlike other places, where Sun was shining all year and moon movements were used for harvest timing.
Current names of weekdays in lithuanian are actually of recent creation(19.th century or maybe even 20.th century) and it is based on naming of latvian weekdays - the main reason was an effort to clean language from polonization and slavic influence, so it would be most probably that lithuanians used at some point lithuanianized slavic naming for weekdays.
Probably because 3 is also number to divide not only time, where there are really only 3 seasons of life - winter is also associated with death in humans life, that consists of youth, maturity, old age and dying. Baltic people associate it also by diving earth in 3 parts - lithuanians, just as latvians till this day has this division in names of regions, that seems, existed before arrival of latvians-lithuanians: Aukštaitija/Augšzeme, Žemaitija/Zemgale and it would be logically to put Underworld in west, but there exists only Courland and some prussian lands. 2.96.195.56 ( talk) 14:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
The Lithuanian calendar is in fact the Gregorian calendar. OK, they have names for months that are not derived from Norse or Latin names, but that doesn't make it a separate calendar. So does the Polish, btw. That's not a separate calendar, that's just a separate language. -- OpenFuture ( talk) 14:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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I wonder what were the names for the months used prior to 1918. Were they based on Latin? // Halibu tt 19:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
Invented weekdays:
A comparison with Prussian-Lithuanian shows that today's weekdays are ahistorical. These are the entries from Kurschat's German-(Prussian-)Lithuanian dictionary of 1870. All are Slavic loanwords.
Montag: panedelis - pirmadienis
Dienstag: utarninkas - antradienis
Mittwoch: sereda - treciadienis
Donnerstag: ketwergas - ketvirtadienis
Freitag: petnyczia - penktadienis
Samstag: subata - sestadienis
Sonntag: nedelia - sekmadienis
Lutz Szemkus
I added the historic names to the article. The entry for vasaris is a little mysterious since the historic versions don't include anything like it. A possibly crackpot theory comes to mind - could it be connected to independence being declared in that month? Reference was here: [1] Novickas 16:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Just a note: perhaps it can be confirmed that "Kova" is not just a struggle, but a struggle to the death. Although it would not be attributable (or even necessarily correct) I heard a native explain that a lot of Lithuanians make it through the winter, only to die in March. The point more would be about how they think about it. 72.66.254.84 ( talk) 21:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)MJR
I have read in many places that Lithuania had at some point a Nine Day (or Nine Night) Week? Although I'm unable to find a reliable cite.
I noticed in this article The Gediminas Sceptre, a medieval Lithuanian calendar has nine of something;
The
Celts had a nine night week (with eight days), maybe some relation? Can anyone throw any light on this?
Hope to link a nine day/night section in
Week to here --
Pnb73 (
talk) 09:14, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Yes, I seem to find a lot of information that this goes back to the Ancient Balts at least. I'm trying to find more cites on exactly why this is stated, i.e. reference to exact artifacts. Unfortunately most research is in languages I don't know. -- Pnb73 ( talk) 19:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know when the nine-day week and/or this calendar abandoned? I assume it was when
Lithuania was Christianized in 1387? and they converted to a seven-day week and the
Julian calendar? --
Pnb73 (
talk) 13:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi - according to this ref ( [4], the root ausis.gf.vu.lt is a Vilnius University site) the Julian calendar was adopted in the middle of the 13th century. On the other hand, Gediminas lived 1275 – 1341. Needs a little more research, will see what I can find... Novickas ( talk) 14:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Here's one from the Palanga Amber Museum: Po Žemaitijos krikšto 1413 m. buvo įvestas Julijaus kalendorius. (After Žemaitija was christianized in 1413 the Julian calendar was adopted). [5] The problem is that Žemaitija was about the last area of LT to be christianized. But I think it's safe to say about 1400. The details of its adoption are probably buried in some scholarly monographs, it was probably not a single nationwide decree. Hope this helps, Novickas ( talk) 15:03, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
No one uses anymore 9-day week. It was not based on lunar month, that currently is mix-based of modern calendar. It seems, that 9-day week came from Solar calendar, that could divide 360 into 40 weeks plus extra 5 days, which were most likely used in solstice celebrations, because without modern technology it is only approximately possible to say where Sun reaches these maximum points on horizon, not to mention, that it is unusualy to have rainy and foggy mornings. Solstices, equinoxes and time between these were pivotal points in this calendar system(5 9-day weeks between equinox and solstice) and they were not only Holy days(which now is name for Sunday in baltic and also estonian languages), but also divided 8 "months" into seasons and middle of season. Lunar movement observation was of no use for livestock breeding and farming, as in northern hemisphere there was only harvesting once per year, not unlike other places, where Sun was shining all year and moon movements were used for harvest timing.
Current names of weekdays in lithuanian are actually of recent creation(19.th century or maybe even 20.th century) and it is based on naming of latvian weekdays - the main reason was an effort to clean language from polonization and slavic influence, so it would be most probably that lithuanians used at some point lithuanianized slavic naming for weekdays.
Probably because 3 is also number to divide not only time, where there are really only 3 seasons of life - winter is also associated with death in humans life, that consists of youth, maturity, old age and dying. Baltic people associate it also by diving earth in 3 parts - lithuanians, just as latvians till this day has this division in names of regions, that seems, existed before arrival of latvians-lithuanians: Aukštaitija/Augšzeme, Žemaitija/Zemgale and it would be logically to put Underworld in west, but there exists only Courland and some prussian lands. 2.96.195.56 ( talk) 14:43, 30 June 2013 (UTC)
The Lithuanian calendar is in fact the Gregorian calendar. OK, they have names for months that are not derived from Norse or Latin names, but that doesn't make it a separate calendar. So does the Polish, btw. That's not a separate calendar, that's just a separate language. -- OpenFuture ( talk) 14:06, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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