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What is the difference between the different grades of listed buildings? Theresa knott 12:22 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I'd just like to add that it's not at all obvious what the difference is between the grades, OR which grade is the highest! Which is higher: "buidlings of exceptional interest" or "buildings that are of special interest, warranting every effort to preserve them"? (Do buildings of exceptional interest not warrant efforts to preserve them?) I'd argue that this information should be reworded to be completely unambiguous, and probably given in the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.140.96.21 ( talk) 09:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Images of England have changed the way to link their site once. They may do it again. I have now created a template which makes it easy to link to entries at Images of England and provides a mesasue of future-proofing. See instructions at talk:Images of England. -- RHaworth 17:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
What about mentioning the proposed Grade X listing. This is a category for particularly horrible buildings of no architectural or historical merit whatsoever. Grade X listing would hopefully speed up their demolishment and replacment. A number of speculative Grade X lists have been compiled. Probably not a good idea to include any list of buildings though as this would be a somewhat subjective decision. 141.5.194.4 09:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that many of the updates to this article are just additions to the Famous listed buildings section. Whilst you might readily argue that all listed buildings are notable since they are declared by experts to be notable for preservation, I doubt whether all the buildings being added are famous. There are already lists of listed buildings chained from this article. Could a little restraint be exercised before someone prunes the whole lot out? :) Oosoom Talk to me 20:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I propose adding a photo of a tomb chest in a churchyard. It's not eye-catching or well-known, but provides a visual example of the (90% is it?) items that are Grade II listed. Chrisemms ( talk) 20:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Cut back the list again today, since there were upwards of 15 Grade I buildings in there. I've added (another) comment to the lists requesting editors discuss here before adding to the lists. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck ( talk) 08:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
As this question has been asked, in a way, and not answered, I'm going to ask anyway: What is the difference between a Grade II and Grade II* building? I haven't read the whole thing yet because I'm at work and need to get back to it, but if this isn't answered in the article, I hope it will be answered here. SailorAlphaCentauri 20:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
My Great-Auntie lives in a Grade II listed building, well part of it, she owns it all, 10-14 Churchgate, Hallaton, Leicestershire. Would this be ok to start an article on, or will it be deleted as non-notable? Jimmmmmmmmm 22:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Is the whole campus really Grade II listed per today's edit? Barnabypage 17:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I imagine that Wotton House is Grade I, but don't know, and don't know where to look. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Right now Architectural preservation is a redirect to this article. Needless to say, the UK is not the only place in the world where architectural preservation occurs, nor is all preservation even in the UK on listed buildings. There is a more general article begging to be written. - Jmabel | Talk 03:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The following three paragraphs read like an advice column, in my opinion: Listing a building imposes severe restrictions on what the owner might wish to change or modify in the structure or its fittings. Thus trying to refit windows by plastic double glazed units would be barred by most inspectors (who actually implement and check all proposed changes). Listing normally covers both the exterior and interior, so that major changes to a floor layout (for example) would need approval before any changes could be implemented.
The Listed Property Owners Club advise that ANY alterations to a listed building must first be discussed with your conservation officer, they are based at the local council and are responsible for the protection of listed buildings. Some work to a listed property should also be VAT zero rated, you should seek specialist advice about this as there are lots of "grey" areas.
Another important consideration for listed properties is insurance. Many listed buildings are under insured. If a listed building has a normal insurance policy it will usually only cover the cost of "normal" repairs. BUT if a listed building is damaged the conservation officer will usually insist that repairs are like for like. Many insurance companies do not take into consideration the additional costs for specialist workmanship and materials. If there is a shortfall in the amount covered it is then the owners responsibility to pay the difference.
Any comments before I remove them? Red van man ( talk) 16:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
"It is proposed that the three Grades I, II* and II then apply to all Designated Buildings and Sites." There seems to be a verb missing. Kdammers ( talk) 04:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
A listed building clearly means the building has been placed on a special list. What is the proper, full, title of this list? I assume it's not just referred to as "the list" in documentation, that could get rather confusing! 188.221.150.127 ( talk) 13:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
"around half a million buildings" fit under this category! Wow that's a lot! Obviously you don't need to list the million buildings (do try if you dare lol) but other then the extremely significant political and historical buildings what composes about 99% of that list? I don't think any brit in there right mind would every argue to destroy Buckingham Palace or The Palace of Westminster but again what about the other 99% of the buildings. I read this whole article and I still cant get the feal of this section for most of the buildings. maybe im just to dumb to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.3.250 ( talk) 03:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Presumably the logic behind the curtilage rule is to extend protection to outbuildings etc. which are part of the historical evolution of the building even if they are not quite physically connected. So, at the risk of being extremely pedantic: what is the situation if the main listed structure was built after 1948, but there are buildings within the curtilage predating it? They are obviously not part of the main building's evolution as such, but on the other hand the main building was likely designed with them in mind. Does the main building's protection apply to them? Barnabypage ( talk) 13:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
To avoid the lengthy see also section, I drafted the {{ Heritage protection in the United Kingdom}} navbox template, aiming to bring together scheduled monuments, listed buildings, monuments records, etc. Comments suggestions and improvements would be welcome (on the template talk page) before I stick it in the article. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck ( talk) 20:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Since the notes for this page say that it is out of date, I will have a go at updating this section with current data and some more detailed information. I would like to suggest adding some more sub-headings to help with structure and clarity - ie 'legistlation relevant to listing', 'criteria for listing', 'how to apply to get a building listed' and 'altering a listed building'. I'd like to put something in about heritage protection reform too, but I'm not sure if this is the right place for it. FGLawson ( talk) 10:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there agreement that it is appropriate to remove the 'outdated' message block on this article now? FGLawson ( talk) 08:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, in speach how does one say grade II* listed is it simply grade two star listed I don't know, and I think it should be mentioned in the article. If it is already there I couldn't find it Carlwev ( talk) 04:19, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Please compare this article to Beschermd erfgoed, which is linked in the lead of this list: List of protected heritage sites in Villers-la-Ville. The first article explains who the "listed building" listers are in Belgium, and then has a series of links to all of the various Belgium regions with their list holders. The list of listed buildings in Villers-la-Ville can thus bring the user eventually to information about the protection of monuments in the country of Belgium. I miss such a hierarchy of explanation here. For example, in the "List of listed buildings in Tibbermore" (see link above), I miss the explanation of why the number is an "HBnum". What does the HB stand for? Jane ( talk) 07:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Is there a template anything similar to that at Commons, {{ COMMONS:Template:Listed building England}}
This is a photo of listed building number |
Do we need one? Andy Dingley ( talk) 13:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I suggest BritishListedBuildings is added to the external references, I use this frequently and find it superior to the English Heritage Website. In addition to the grades detailed in the article there is another Grade, DL, in the register. This is for De-Listed and refers to buildings that were formally listed but whose listing been withdrawn. These are retained in the register. AnnaComnemna ( talk) 15:14, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
This needs to be explained. It is astonishing to new readers when the pattern of naming has no asterisk, and when a symbol is used, it should have meaning. Doing a ctrl+f found nothing for me, so a reasonable passerby would have even greater difficulty discerning the significance of "*". 96.52.0.249 ( talk) 07:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This means grade 2 star wich is in between grade 2 and grade 1. Hopefully that is your question answered?-- I Like The british Rail Class 483 ( talk) 11:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
A statement currently reads "Most buildings built between 1700 and 1840 are listed." I do not think this is correct - where is the evidence? I found some evidence that say 2m properties were built pre 1850 (based on council tax band data which suggests 3.7m dwellings in England pre 1900) but that only 500,000 buildings are listed in total - which contradicts the above and would suggest closer to 25% are listed!! Might be more accurate to say "Most buildings built between 1700 and 1840 WOULD BE ACCEPTED FOR listing, if a submission were made.". Having tried, it seems quite difficult to get hold of accurate figures for the number of buildings (listed or otherwise) between 1700 and 1840 anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.29.74.39 ( talk) 12:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Added the Flaxmill Shrewsbury as it was the first building in the world to have a iron structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.158.8 ( talk) 15:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Should Wokingham's grade 2 listed footbridge made of old bullhead rails be put in the examples of grade 2 listed building/bridges?-- I Like The british Rail Class 483 ( talk) 20:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what this section is trying to say. Aside from the fact it's uncited, it appears to suggest there is a specific category of Mixed designations. There isn't such a category, and there are literally hundreds of sites that contain structures with differing designations. Stowe House and Stowe Gardens are obvious examples, but it's probably true of almost any country house estate. I'm not sure it warrants a separate section and am proposing to merge it into Categories of listed building section, unless there are any concerns. KJP1 ( talk) 08:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Also not sure about this. Why are some countries specifically mentioned, with colourful little flags, while most are not? Proposing to merge this into the See also section, under List of heritage registers unless there are any concerns. KJP1 ( talk) 10:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
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What is the difference between the different grades of listed buildings? Theresa knott 12:22 Mar 27, 2003 (UTC)
I'd just like to add that it's not at all obvious what the difference is between the grades, OR which grade is the highest! Which is higher: "buidlings of exceptional interest" or "buildings that are of special interest, warranting every effort to preserve them"? (Do buildings of exceptional interest not warrant efforts to preserve them?) I'd argue that this information should be reworded to be completely unambiguous, and probably given in the introduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.140.96.21 ( talk) 09:33, 7 September 2011 (UTC)
Images of England have changed the way to link their site once. They may do it again. I have now created a template which makes it easy to link to entries at Images of England and provides a mesasue of future-proofing. See instructions at talk:Images of England. -- RHaworth 17:47, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
What about mentioning the proposed Grade X listing. This is a category for particularly horrible buildings of no architectural or historical merit whatsoever. Grade X listing would hopefully speed up their demolishment and replacment. A number of speculative Grade X lists have been compiled. Probably not a good idea to include any list of buildings though as this would be a somewhat subjective decision. 141.5.194.4 09:59, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
It seems that many of the updates to this article are just additions to the Famous listed buildings section. Whilst you might readily argue that all listed buildings are notable since they are declared by experts to be notable for preservation, I doubt whether all the buildings being added are famous. There are already lists of listed buildings chained from this article. Could a little restraint be exercised before someone prunes the whole lot out? :) Oosoom Talk to me 20:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
I propose adding a photo of a tomb chest in a churchyard. It's not eye-catching or well-known, but provides a visual example of the (90% is it?) items that are Grade II listed. Chrisemms ( talk) 20:59, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Cut back the list again today, since there were upwards of 15 Grade I buildings in there. I've added (another) comment to the lists requesting editors discuss here before adding to the lists. Thanks, Jonathan Oldenbuck ( talk) 08:38, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
As this question has been asked, in a way, and not answered, I'm going to ask anyway: What is the difference between a Grade II and Grade II* building? I haven't read the whole thing yet because I'm at work and need to get back to it, but if this isn't answered in the article, I hope it will be answered here. SailorAlphaCentauri 20:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
My Great-Auntie lives in a Grade II listed building, well part of it, she owns it all, 10-14 Churchgate, Hallaton, Leicestershire. Would this be ok to start an article on, or will it be deleted as non-notable? Jimmmmmmmmm 22:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Is the whole campus really Grade II listed per today's edit? Barnabypage 17:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I imagine that Wotton House is Grade I, but don't know, and don't know where to look. -- Hoary ( talk) 12:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
Right now Architectural preservation is a redirect to this article. Needless to say, the UK is not the only place in the world where architectural preservation occurs, nor is all preservation even in the UK on listed buildings. There is a more general article begging to be written. - Jmabel | Talk 03:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
The following three paragraphs read like an advice column, in my opinion: Listing a building imposes severe restrictions on what the owner might wish to change or modify in the structure or its fittings. Thus trying to refit windows by plastic double glazed units would be barred by most inspectors (who actually implement and check all proposed changes). Listing normally covers both the exterior and interior, so that major changes to a floor layout (for example) would need approval before any changes could be implemented.
The Listed Property Owners Club advise that ANY alterations to a listed building must first be discussed with your conservation officer, they are based at the local council and are responsible for the protection of listed buildings. Some work to a listed property should also be VAT zero rated, you should seek specialist advice about this as there are lots of "grey" areas.
Another important consideration for listed properties is insurance. Many listed buildings are under insured. If a listed building has a normal insurance policy it will usually only cover the cost of "normal" repairs. BUT if a listed building is damaged the conservation officer will usually insist that repairs are like for like. Many insurance companies do not take into consideration the additional costs for specialist workmanship and materials. If there is a shortfall in the amount covered it is then the owners responsibility to pay the difference.
Any comments before I remove them? Red van man ( talk) 16:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
"It is proposed that the three Grades I, II* and II then apply to all Designated Buildings and Sites." There seems to be a verb missing. Kdammers ( talk) 04:25, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
A listed building clearly means the building has been placed on a special list. What is the proper, full, title of this list? I assume it's not just referred to as "the list" in documentation, that could get rather confusing! 188.221.150.127 ( talk) 13:07, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
"around half a million buildings" fit under this category! Wow that's a lot! Obviously you don't need to list the million buildings (do try if you dare lol) but other then the extremely significant political and historical buildings what composes about 99% of that list? I don't think any brit in there right mind would every argue to destroy Buckingham Palace or The Palace of Westminster but again what about the other 99% of the buildings. I read this whole article and I still cant get the feal of this section for most of the buildings. maybe im just to dumb to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.230.3.250 ( talk) 03:35, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
Presumably the logic behind the curtilage rule is to extend protection to outbuildings etc. which are part of the historical evolution of the building even if they are not quite physically connected. So, at the risk of being extremely pedantic: what is the situation if the main listed structure was built after 1948, but there are buildings within the curtilage predating it? They are obviously not part of the main building's evolution as such, but on the other hand the main building was likely designed with them in mind. Does the main building's protection apply to them? Barnabypage ( talk) 13:27, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
To avoid the lengthy see also section, I drafted the {{ Heritage protection in the United Kingdom}} navbox template, aiming to bring together scheduled monuments, listed buildings, monuments records, etc. Comments suggestions and improvements would be welcome (on the template talk page) before I stick it in the article. Regards, Jonathan Oldenbuck ( talk) 20:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Since the notes for this page say that it is out of date, I will have a go at updating this section with current data and some more detailed information. I would like to suggest adding some more sub-headings to help with structure and clarity - ie 'legistlation relevant to listing', 'criteria for listing', 'how to apply to get a building listed' and 'altering a listed building'. I'd like to put something in about heritage protection reform too, but I'm not sure if this is the right place for it. FGLawson ( talk) 10:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there agreement that it is appropriate to remove the 'outdated' message block on this article now? FGLawson ( talk) 08:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Just wondering, in speach how does one say grade II* listed is it simply grade two star listed I don't know, and I think it should be mentioned in the article. If it is already there I couldn't find it Carlwev ( talk) 04:19, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
Please compare this article to Beschermd erfgoed, which is linked in the lead of this list: List of protected heritage sites in Villers-la-Ville. The first article explains who the "listed building" listers are in Belgium, and then has a series of links to all of the various Belgium regions with their list holders. The list of listed buildings in Villers-la-Ville can thus bring the user eventually to information about the protection of monuments in the country of Belgium. I miss such a hierarchy of explanation here. For example, in the "List of listed buildings in Tibbermore" (see link above), I miss the explanation of why the number is an "HBnum". What does the HB stand for? Jane ( talk) 07:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
Is there a template anything similar to that at Commons, {{ COMMONS:Template:Listed building England}}
This is a photo of listed building number |
Do we need one? Andy Dingley ( talk) 13:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
I suggest BritishListedBuildings is added to the external references, I use this frequently and find it superior to the English Heritage Website. In addition to the grades detailed in the article there is another Grade, DL, in the register. This is for De-Listed and refers to buildings that were formally listed but whose listing been withdrawn. These are retained in the register. AnnaComnemna ( talk) 15:14, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
This needs to be explained. It is astonishing to new readers when the pattern of naming has no asterisk, and when a symbol is used, it should have meaning. Doing a ctrl+f found nothing for me, so a reasonable passerby would have even greater difficulty discerning the significance of "*". 96.52.0.249 ( talk) 07:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
This means grade 2 star wich is in between grade 2 and grade 1. Hopefully that is your question answered?-- I Like The british Rail Class 483 ( talk) 11:53, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
A statement currently reads "Most buildings built between 1700 and 1840 are listed." I do not think this is correct - where is the evidence? I found some evidence that say 2m properties were built pre 1850 (based on council tax band data which suggests 3.7m dwellings in England pre 1900) but that only 500,000 buildings are listed in total - which contradicts the above and would suggest closer to 25% are listed!! Might be more accurate to say "Most buildings built between 1700 and 1840 WOULD BE ACCEPTED FOR listing, if a submission were made.". Having tried, it seems quite difficult to get hold of accurate figures for the number of buildings (listed or otherwise) between 1700 and 1840 anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.29.74.39 ( talk) 12:52, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Added the Flaxmill Shrewsbury as it was the first building in the world to have a iron structure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.107.158.8 ( talk) 15:03, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Should Wokingham's grade 2 listed footbridge made of old bullhead rails be put in the examples of grade 2 listed building/bridges?-- I Like The british Rail Class 483 ( talk) 20:47, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure what this section is trying to say. Aside from the fact it's uncited, it appears to suggest there is a specific category of Mixed designations. There isn't such a category, and there are literally hundreds of sites that contain structures with differing designations. Stowe House and Stowe Gardens are obvious examples, but it's probably true of almost any country house estate. I'm not sure it warrants a separate section and am proposing to merge it into Categories of listed building section, unless there are any concerns. KJP1 ( talk) 08:41, 10 January 2023 (UTC)
Also not sure about this. Why are some countries specifically mentioned, with colourful little flags, while most are not? Proposing to merge this into the See also section, under List of heritage registers unless there are any concerns. KJP1 ( talk) 10:04, 10 January 2023 (UTC)