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I created this template taking content from various youngest circumnavigator pages so that there would be a consistant section in each of the several entries that are currently active. It gives us one place to update as these events progress and should continue to provide consistent information for all. Hope this helps, feel free to comment or improve! ( SEC ( talk) 18:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC))
I'm thinking that each sailors attempt should include: name, country of citizenship, dates and distances of travel, age of sailor at finish (start?), yacht name, some yacht specs. More? I wonder if a nice looking table would be a better presentation. ( SEC ( talk) 23:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC))
Great job with the table format, Moondyne! This makes it much more readable. ( SEC ( talk) 03:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC))
A concern was expressed to me that these are not "official records" any more (as reported on this entry). IMO, that doesn't change the fact that this is valid information. They may not be recognized by any official organization, but they are still sailing records. These are real journeys by real people that are newsworthy and noteworthy and thus I feel they are valid Wikipedia entries. ( SEC ( talk) 03:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC))
I added David Dicks to this table, but only after great hesitation. Should this be removed? What are the boundaries of what should be covered in this table? Solo? Unassisted? Non-stop? Age? ( SEC ( talk) 03:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC))
I ran across mention of Ryan Langley, who states on his home page "I am Ryan Langley, a 17 year-old sailor currently preparing for a nonstop sailing voyage around the world! A voyage like this has never been attempted by someone my age before." Both Jessica Watson and Abby Sunderland, both currently underway, are younger. In his blog he states his voyage will be unique because he will be heading to the west instead of to the east. He does not yet own a boat and I failed to find any news coverage of him. He does not meet Wikipedia:Notability on several counts, so I don't think he belongs on this entry yet. But we might keep an eye on his progress. ( SEC ( talk) 23:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC))
The term "unassisted" should be explained. E.g. Jessica Watson does have assistance from the land via telecom, so the word is not used correctly. Or should be removed. - DePiep ( talk) 13:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
This is a great template. However, it would be enhanced by the consistent use of full citations in the references rather than bare URLs. I have cleaned up the references using citations templates, namely Template:Cite web and Template:Cite news. — Diiscool ( talk) 15:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
If you start sailing one day and finish the next, you've been sailing for two days. Correct? Our formula would say one. Watson's manager says today is day 200; the table says 199. Shall we just add 1 to the formula? –
Moondyne 08:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC) fergetit. –
Moondyne 13:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Assuming the sentence "Currently Mike Perham holds the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) over-all record for youngest solo circumnavigation" (1st sentence in the 'Youth solo sailing circumnavigations' section) is valid, we need an explanation of why Perham's name doesn't appear on the WSSRC website. (I.e. if it has to do with WSSRC's discontinuation of the record category, this needs to be explained.)-- TyrS ( talk) 03:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Is there a way to get rid of the redundant internal links (i.e. at the moment the ones in the table on Jessica Watson & Jesse Martin)? Thanks. -- TyrS ( talk) 04:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
When mentioning records (i.e. who holds what sailing record) in this template, it's really important to include mention of what body/group authorises said record (e.g. WSSRC, Guinness, etc) and provide a citation.-- TyrS ( talk) 13:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Should there be any introduction? To say that Jesse Martin hold current WSSRC unassisted record takes away from every one else. I mean, why not say that Mike Perham holds current Guinness youngest record, instead? What I'm getting at is its unfair to put any ONE person on the indroduction. Trivial200 ( talk) 04:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Many comments and edits here argue about "the record" but in fact there is no one record. Guiness, WSSRC, and others award "records". Or rather, they no longer award records specifically to the "youngest" circumnavigator.
Worldsailingrecords.com changed their site to now list Jessica Watson as the youngest circumnavigator, and includes an explanation here. We used worldsailingrecords.com as a reliable source when creating this article, and have used it ever since as one of our sources to fill out and document this table. Since they are an established reliable source on this topic, we should include their stance on this.
Trivial200 made an edit to reflect this (in good faith) and Bilby reverted it (in good faith). This template originally documented the record shown on worldsailingrecords.com, Trivial200 changed this article to reflect the change on worldsailingrecords.com. I am restoring that edit. ( SEC ( talk) 12:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC))
Robin Knox-Johnston has his own definition: "... circumnavigation without going through Suez or Panama Canals". – Moondyne 01:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Several people (maybe the same one, under different names, i.e. sockpuppets) have tried to include the German flag under the name of Laura Dekker. First, there was only a Dutch flag in that box, because that was the flag she flew on her boat upon departure in January 2011 (see reference included). Then we allowed someone to place the New Zealand flag after a member of her own family requested it, and we saw evidence from a photo (included as a reference) that indeed she was now flying the NZ flag.
The German flag has never been used by Laura Dekker at any time. She holds a German passport, but that is not relevant here as we are only showing the flags that were flown by the sailor on their journey around the world. There is no evidence from any photo that she flew the flag of Germany on her boat, so please stop adding the GER flag to the article.
Thank you. -- Skol fir ( talk) 07:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The comments by Laura's so-called relative are not in the article. I cannot speak for him/her. So what's your point? -- Skol fir ( talk) 14:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
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I created this template taking content from various youngest circumnavigator pages so that there would be a consistant section in each of the several entries that are currently active. It gives us one place to update as these events progress and should continue to provide consistent information for all. Hope this helps, feel free to comment or improve! ( SEC ( talk) 18:47, 26 January 2010 (UTC))
I'm thinking that each sailors attempt should include: name, country of citizenship, dates and distances of travel, age of sailor at finish (start?), yacht name, some yacht specs. More? I wonder if a nice looking table would be a better presentation. ( SEC ( talk) 23:06, 26 January 2010 (UTC))
Great job with the table format, Moondyne! This makes it much more readable. ( SEC ( talk) 03:27, 28 January 2010 (UTC))
A concern was expressed to me that these are not "official records" any more (as reported on this entry). IMO, that doesn't change the fact that this is valid information. They may not be recognized by any official organization, but they are still sailing records. These are real journeys by real people that are newsworthy and noteworthy and thus I feel they are valid Wikipedia entries. ( SEC ( talk) 03:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC))
I added David Dicks to this table, but only after great hesitation. Should this be removed? What are the boundaries of what should be covered in this table? Solo? Unassisted? Non-stop? Age? ( SEC ( talk) 03:56, 28 January 2010 (UTC))
I ran across mention of Ryan Langley, who states on his home page "I am Ryan Langley, a 17 year-old sailor currently preparing for a nonstop sailing voyage around the world! A voyage like this has never been attempted by someone my age before." Both Jessica Watson and Abby Sunderland, both currently underway, are younger. In his blog he states his voyage will be unique because he will be heading to the west instead of to the east. He does not yet own a boat and I failed to find any news coverage of him. He does not meet Wikipedia:Notability on several counts, so I don't think he belongs on this entry yet. But we might keep an eye on his progress. ( SEC ( talk) 23:30, 7 February 2010 (UTC))
The term "unassisted" should be explained. E.g. Jessica Watson does have assistance from the land via telecom, so the word is not used correctly. Or should be removed. - DePiep ( talk) 13:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
This is a great template. However, it would be enhanced by the consistent use of full citations in the references rather than bare URLs. I have cleaned up the references using citations templates, namely Template:Cite web and Template:Cite news. — Diiscool ( talk) 15:23, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
If you start sailing one day and finish the next, you've been sailing for two days. Correct? Our formula would say one. Watson's manager says today is day 200; the table says 199. Shall we just add 1 to the formula? –
Moondyne 08:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC) fergetit. –
Moondyne 13:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Assuming the sentence "Currently Mike Perham holds the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) over-all record for youngest solo circumnavigation" (1st sentence in the 'Youth solo sailing circumnavigations' section) is valid, we need an explanation of why Perham's name doesn't appear on the WSSRC website. (I.e. if it has to do with WSSRC's discontinuation of the record category, this needs to be explained.)-- TyrS ( talk) 03:33, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
Is there a way to get rid of the redundant internal links (i.e. at the moment the ones in the table on Jessica Watson & Jesse Martin)? Thanks. -- TyrS ( talk) 04:25, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
When mentioning records (i.e. who holds what sailing record) in this template, it's really important to include mention of what body/group authorises said record (e.g. WSSRC, Guinness, etc) and provide a citation.-- TyrS ( talk) 13:59, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
Should there be any introduction? To say that Jesse Martin hold current WSSRC unassisted record takes away from every one else. I mean, why not say that Mike Perham holds current Guinness youngest record, instead? What I'm getting at is its unfair to put any ONE person on the indroduction. Trivial200 ( talk) 04:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
Many comments and edits here argue about "the record" but in fact there is no one record. Guiness, WSSRC, and others award "records". Or rather, they no longer award records specifically to the "youngest" circumnavigator.
Worldsailingrecords.com changed their site to now list Jessica Watson as the youngest circumnavigator, and includes an explanation here. We used worldsailingrecords.com as a reliable source when creating this article, and have used it ever since as one of our sources to fill out and document this table. Since they are an established reliable source on this topic, we should include their stance on this.
Trivial200 made an edit to reflect this (in good faith) and Bilby reverted it (in good faith). This template originally documented the record shown on worldsailingrecords.com, Trivial200 changed this article to reflect the change on worldsailingrecords.com. I am restoring that edit. ( SEC ( talk) 12:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC))
Robin Knox-Johnston has his own definition: "... circumnavigation without going through Suez or Panama Canals". – Moondyne 01:43, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Several people (maybe the same one, under different names, i.e. sockpuppets) have tried to include the German flag under the name of Laura Dekker. First, there was only a Dutch flag in that box, because that was the flag she flew on her boat upon departure in January 2011 (see reference included). Then we allowed someone to place the New Zealand flag after a member of her own family requested it, and we saw evidence from a photo (included as a reference) that indeed she was now flying the NZ flag.
The German flag has never been used by Laura Dekker at any time. She holds a German passport, but that is not relevant here as we are only showing the flags that were flown by the sailor on their journey around the world. There is no evidence from any photo that she flew the flag of Germany on her boat, so please stop adding the GER flag to the article.
Thank you. -- Skol fir ( talk) 07:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
The comments by Laura's so-called relative are not in the article. I cannot speak for him/her. So what's your point? -- Skol fir ( talk) 14:19, 17 February 2012 (UTC)