![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 |
Hi all,
I've very much enjoyed this page over the past several years, and I appreciate your diligence in keeping it up. I have a request that would really help me as a reader.
Would you please list the reference count in a new column on the table?
By looking at the reference list (clicking [V] in the last column) for Tetris, I can see that it's featured on 41 lists, as follows:
[9][10][40][39][27][11][14][22][35][41][42][36][24][28][38][23][1][13][20][43][17][37][4][15][25][16][3][2][44][45][7][18][6][29][26][32][8][33][46][30][19]
By clicking [FS] for Company of Heroes, I can see it's featured in 6 lists, as follows:
[39][41][2][34][18][7]
Those count figures encode obviously important information. If we had to choose, say, five games as the best of all time, I can certainly see Tetris making that list over Company of Heroes, even if both are among the best games of all time more broadly.
And that information is on the page already; it's just hard to access. Adding it directly into the table (and making the table sortable by that column) would do a lot to help me as a reader, and would only entail making existing information more accessible. 2600:8807:5780:3510:FD8C:C558:D1F5:E37F ( talk) 15:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
After combing through the omnibus data again to see if anything was still missing from the main list, I actually found a game: Ninja Gaiden for the NES. It has now been added. Phediuk ( talk) 10:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I recently discovered this 2019 list from Popular Mechanics: https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/ I hope this counts as a list of best games/helps fill the list out
47.14.147.55 ( talk) 20:40, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
List of video games considered the best has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
83.89.63.110 ( talk) 18:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
mega man x
Hardcore Gaming 101 updated their "200 Best Video Games of All Time" list in 2020. More precisely, they added 18 additional games to the list, so, in the words of Kurt Kalata, "now it’s something like '218 Best Games of All Time'". The additions are as follows:
Hardcore Gaming 101, 2020
|
---|
428: Shibuya Scramble Alien: Isolation Batman: Arkham City Celeste Crazy Taxi Donkey Kong ’94 Doom (2016) Dragon Quest Builders 2 Dragon’s Dogma The House in Fata Morgana Killer Instinct (2013) The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Life Is Strange Lode Runner Nex Machina Super Mario Odyssey Undertale Valkyrie Profile |
Once these additions are incorporated, Lode Runner will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 04:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Fairly minor note, but any objection to changing the Oregon Trail entry to reference The Oregon Trail (1985 video game) rather than the 1971 one? I'd be shocked if that wasn't a better and more accurate article/date to pick - the number of people who played that version & its descendants is much, much greater than the 1971 one. Can add a footnote to explain worst comes to worst. I tried to check a few of the lists but many seem to have "updated" to remove that one as far as yearly rotations, and I'll grant that two of the ones that were still up offered 1970s dates, but I suspect that was more from laziness. SnowFire ( talk) 05:06, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
I’ve looked at the source material used to build this list, and many of them, six publishers if I remember correctly, have the game, Battlefield 1942. Could I have a second opinion here? (BlueBlurHog) 16:45 (UTC)
Just thought I'd like to hear the views of other editors who contribute to this list article. Do you believe that it is a sign of a video game's importance and perhaps influence within the video game industry as a whole if it meets the criteria for inclusion in this article, seeing as how it would have been vetted to be one of the best or greatest video game works by no less then 6 distinct sources? Haleth ( talk) 17:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Everybody, it’s been asked by many, many people in the past, and answered by others constantly. So, to reduce the need to ask and answer, I’ll remind the newcomers of what they need to do. To all who are new to this page, and to all who are new to Wikipedia as a whole, the criteria on the top of the main article. Read it thoroughly, and you’ll find the instructions. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The omnibus list data is located here; use the headers at the left to jump to the list(s) you want to check. Phediuk ( talk) 19:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Stuff, 2011 Log
|
---|
1. Half-Life 2 2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3. Super Mario Bros. 4. Doom (1993) 5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 6. Portal 7. Sonic the Hedgehog 8. Angry Birds 9. Tetris 10. Super Mario Kart 11. Goldeneye (1997) 12. Red Dead Redemption 13. Rock Band 3 14. Elite 15. Space Invaders 16. Outrun 17. Final Fantasy VII 18. LA Noire 19. Sensible World of Soccer 20. Quake 21. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 22. Mass Effect 23. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 24. Pac-Man 25. Super Mario 64 26. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 27. Super Mario Galaxy 2 28. Pro Evolution Soccer 4 29. Wii Sports Resort 30. Tomb Raider (1996) 31. Halo: Combat Evolved 32. Lemmings 33. Fallout 3 34. Counter-Strike 35. LittleBigPlanet 2 36. SingStar 37. Street Fighter II 38. Sega Rally Championship 39. Mega Bomberman 40. Burnout 3: Takedown 41. World of Warcraft 42. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 43. Championship Manager 97/98 44. Monkey Island 2: LeChuck’s Revenge 45. God of War III 46. Simcity 47. Kinect Sports 48. Wipeout 49. Worms 50. Bioshock 51. Bubble Bobble 52. R-Type 53. Forza Motorsport 2 54. MotorStorm 55. Streets of Rage 2 56. Patapon 57. Star Wars: X-Wing 58. Deus Ex 59. Shenmue 60. Left 4 Dead 61. Wii Fit Plus 62. Jet Set Willy 63. Command & Conquer 64. Defender of the Crown 65. Diablo 66. Resident Evil 4 67. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault 68. Super Metroid 69. DJ Hero 2 70. The Sims 71. Stunt Car Racer 72. Virtua Tennis 73. Underwurlde 74. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 75. Crazy Taxi 76. Road Rash II 77. Castlevania 78. Phantasy Star II 79. FIFA 11 80. Metal Slug 81. Knight Lore 82. Sid Meier's Pirates! (1987) 83. Double Dragon 84. NBA Jam 85. Grand Prix Legends 86. Alone in the Dark (1992) 87. TimeSplitters 2 88. Ico 89. Skate 90. Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee 91. Micro Machines 92. California Games 93. Rainbow Islands 94. Virtua Fighter 2 95. Age of Empires 96. PGA Tour Golf 97. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 98. Red Baron 3D 99. Dungeon Master 100. Civilization |
I looked through this list from the horse's mouth, and under the log, but this is what the horse's mouth has to whinny:
Stuff, 2011 Cited
|
---|
Half-Life 2 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Ocarina of Time Super Mario Bros. Doom 1 RDR 1 Sonic 1 Tetris Super Mario Kart GoldenEye 007 Beatles Rock Band Space Invaders World of Warcraft Elite Flight Control (2009) (iPhone) Sensible World of Soccer Final Fantasy 6 GTA 3 Quake Gran Turismo 3
Angry Birds Turrican 2 Street Fighter 2 Mega Bomberman Sega Rally CoD: Modern Warfare 2 Football Manager Handheld 2010
Monkey Island 2 God of War 3 Wipeout SimCity Worms BioShock Bubble Bobble R-Type Forza Motorsport 2 MotorStorm Patapon Star Wars: X-wing Deus Ex Shenmue Left 4 Dead WII Fit Plus Jet Set Willy Command and Conquer Defender of the Crown Diablo 1
Resident Evil 4 Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Out Run Super Metroid Guitar Hero Metallica The Sims Stunt Car Racer Virtua Tennis Underwurlde MGS 2 Crazy Taxi Road Rash 2 Castlevania 1 Phantasy Star 2 FIFA 10 Metal Slug Knightlore Pirates! Double Dragon NBA Jam
Grand Prix Legends Alone in the Dark TimeSplitters 2 Ico Skate Oddworld: Abe’s Odyssee Micro Machines Ant Attack California Games Rainbow Islands Virtua Fighter 2 Rome: Total Warrior PGA Tour Golf Uncharted 2 Red Baron 3D Dr Kawashima’s Brain Training Dungeon Master Mercenary Dungeon Master Civilization |
Notice how in the original source, Dungeon Master is repeated, and that placements of certain games don't match (regardless if slots are missing)? Or do I have the wrong source? Because if you go directly to the 2011 issue of Stuff Magazine, as directed in the citation, you won't get what was logged. Also, a weird glitch happens. If you’re at #95 or beyond, and click “100-81” again, you’ll be taken to Jet Set Radio, which doesn’t start at 100. 15:23 10 April 2021 (BlueBlurHog)
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/11/16/game-informer-s-top-100-games-of-all-time-circa-issue-100.aspx Should this list be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PS4Fanboy1232 ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
https://www.gamingbible.co.uk/features/games-the-greatest-video-games-of-all-time-20-1-20201202 Should this list be added? JYmasktape ( talk) 20:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking that the PlayStation should be added as one of the platforms for Tekken 3, since both the arcade and console versions released within six days of each other, and the game itself sold around 8 million units on the PSX, which pivotal to getting the series to the status it has nowadays.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 21:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Oh.
That's embarrassing.
Sorry about that, forget anything I said.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
List of video games considered the best has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I think that Red Dead Redemption 2 should be added to this list as millions of people including me consider it to be one of the greatest video games ever made. Jfewme ( talk) 16:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I was looking over the omnibus data and had a question. For the entries saying "series collectively", are those ignored for this page or is the first game in the series taken? Thanks. -- BenSPVE ( talk) 23:01, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I could be wrong in this, but I believe California Games should be on the list. One source calls it "Californian Games" but I can't seem to find a game by that name, so I assume it is California Games?
Hyper 1995, Next Generation 1996, GameSpot 2007, Stuff 2008, FHM 2010, and 1001 Games are the sources. Thanks. -- BenSPVE ( talk) 19:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
This is probably just me being new, but could someone tell me how to add a section to the Notes section, in my case add IE with sources next to it? Thanks. Shikomu ( talk) 21:17, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
There was a Google Sheets list that kept track of the games found in multiple lists, but haven't reached the six different entries that qualify games for this page. When I decided to check on it recently, apparently the Sheets list was deleted due to no one editing it for some time.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:33, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey BenSPVE, very impressive list!! One omission that deserves credit, Sword of Fargoal. Great early dungeon crawl. From Wikipedia's own page... Computer Gaming World in 1996 listed Sword of Fargoal as #147 on the "Top 150 Best Video Games of All Time" Thanks. AA Pilot16 ( talk) 09:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Stumbled on this list from Florida Today, doesn't seem to be included yet. Is it eligible? https://eu.floridatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2016/09/21/complete-list-50-greatest-video-games-ever/90809786/
Apparently the threshold was originally five listings only, but at some point it was raised to be six listings?
In short, what were the specific reasons for raising the threshold?
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 12:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Before I begin, I should preface that I think that the six listings threshold works for the most part, and that it shouldn't be removed. That being said, looking over at the list compiled by BenSPVE, there are a still number of games that are cited as some of the best games of all time (some of which are even referred to as such on their own Wikipedia pages), but aren't listed due to falling just short of the threshold limit. These are mainly games that have only five listings or less, yet according to popular opinion, are games that would likely be expected to show up on lists like these. The specific games I have in mind are games like Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Perfect Dark, both of which have five listings each and are referred to as one of the greatest games of all time on their own articles. There even some games that only have four listings, and yet are considered to be some of the most influential and beloved games of all time, like Mother 3 and Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes. At the same time, however, there are some games with four or five listings that would not fit on this list, such as Heavenly Sword, which has been by and large forgotten by the gaming public at large.
So while I don't think the six listings threshold should be removed, I would like to suggest an addition to the process of adding games on here:
I think that while the six listing threshold does work, I don't think it should be the only method of adding games onto the list, especially for games that the gaming public at large otherwise thinks highly of. If this list is meant to reflect the opinions of gaming journalists and the gaming public as accurately, then I think the process to adding games needs to be improved, especially when considering the impact of some games that aren't mentioned at all here, yet are generally considered to be some of the best outside of this page.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:48, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey all, I was looking through the different sources for Zork on the list and I noticed that most of them either cite what we know as Zork I - The Great Underground Empire or use imagery from that game instead of the 1977 PDP version. Should we list Zork I from 1980 instead of Zork from 1977? Or does it not matter either way? 73.249.13.223 ( talk) 17:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
I propose GAMINGbible, 2020 for submission. This is the first page of 5 for the best 100 video games of all time as of 2020, presented by GAMINGbible: https://www.gamingbible.co.uk/features/games-the-greatest-video-games-of-all-time-100-81-20201130?c=1606757309701. Heads up, Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow is on 51. I’m not sure how that one will go. (BlueBlurHog) 11 Oct 2021, 21:03 (UTC)
Requesting that someone add Skyrim. It was a game which not only was extremely hype for that year (11//11//11 release date); it also exceeded beyond the hype and was an intensely phenomenal and record breaking game. To this day it is understood to be a game well worth its value and time. Please accept this humble request JasonMoore ( talk) 15:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Skyrim is also on 13 of the lists on the omnibus data (and probably more). Only 5 showings are required to make the cut. JasonMoore ( talk) 15:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Roger thank you JasonMoore ( talk) 15:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Initially, when suggesting a way of adding games to this list, I was of the opinion that the six listing threshold shouldn't be lowered, but after giving it some thought, I ended up changing my mind.
The suggestions that were made as alternative methods went nowhere, and as other people brought up, the six listing threshold becomes much more strict as time goes on, due to publications and journalists not wanting to make their own lists of greatest games ever, and instead choose to make more specific lists for certain genres or generations of games. Personally, I don't believe that taking those specific lists into account would help much, as that would just lead to bloat in the list proper.
The five listing threshold may have made the list somewhat longer, but removing it also caused a bunch of games widely considered the best by the general public and journalists to be removed. Some of it got added back over time, like Ninja Gaiden, but many games commonly considered to be some of the best and most influential, such as Alone In The Dark, Demon's Souls, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and Populus, are still excluded due to their inability to meet this criteria. And if anyone is worried about more questionable games showing up, it's worth reminding people that Destiny has already been added to the list, despite being divisive upon release and now being overshadowed by its sequel.
If this list were to more accurately reflect the general public and their opinions on which games are the greatest, then I think the threshold needs to be lowered. It would make the list longer, sure, but that was going to happen over time anyways, and the lists used as criteria for this article are getting less common. It's also worth mentioning that some games are always going to show up on these "greatest of all time lists" (think Final Fantasy VII, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Super Mario Bros., Halo: Combat Evolved, Half-Life 2, etc.), which basically results less room on those lists for newer games anyways, even if some of those newer games are as acclaimed as the ones on this article so far.
In conclusion, I think the threshold needs to be lowered in order to more accurately reflect the opinions of the public on what games are considered to be the best.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
This article sources' are almost exclusively English, while according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/308454/gaming-revenue-countries/ the world's top game market is China, only then US, then Japan, Korea. So, this article is biased towards English publications. As such, sources in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean, should be added.-- Arw2 ( talk) 17:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm surprised that none of the Ultima games are listed on this Wikipedia page especially Ultima IV... That particular game was one of the first, if not the first game to be more than just a hack-n-slash, shoot'em up, rack up as many points as possible. It had a storyline and inspired the player to look deeper into the game's completion requirements. And this from a game (IV) made/sold back in 1986!! Besides, it is included on many of the lists from the Video Game Canon site. Please give it consideration. Thank you. AA Pilot16 ( talk) 09:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
GamesRadar+ just published its list of the best 50 games. While the order of the top 20 was decided by readers, the information that actually matters—the games themselves, not the order—was selected by a panel of "industry experts and luminaries"; the criteria is outlined more here, including a list of some of the panelists. The list seems to meet the inclusion criteria, so I think it's certainly worth considering. – Rhain ☔ 03:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
GamesRadar 2021
|
---|
1. Dark Souls 2. Doom (1993) 3. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 4. Half-Life 2 5. Minecraft 6. Street Fighter II 7. Tetris 8. The Last of Us 9. Super Mario 64 10. Metal Gear Solid 11. Halo: Combat Evolved 12. Super Mario Bros. 3 13. Grand Theft Auto V 14. Portal 15. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 16. Pac-Man 17. Super Mario Kart 18. Space Invaders 19. SimCity (1989) 20. Pokemon Go 21. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 22. Bioshock 23. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 24. Journey 25. Resident Evil 4 26. God of War (2018) 27. Mass Effect 2 28. Red Dead Redemption II 29. Final Fantasy VII 30. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 31. Super Metroid 32. Stardew Valley 33. Dead Space 2 34. Dishonored 2 35. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 36. Shadow of the Colossus 37. Inside 38. Bloodborne 39. Bayonetta 2 40. Batman: Arkham Asylum 41. Fire Emblem: Three Houses 42. Destiny 2 43. Hades 44. Forza Horizon 4 45. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 46. Persona 4 Golden 47. Fortnite: Battle Royale 48. Fez 49. Assassin's Creed Odyssey 50. Animal Crossing: New Horizons |
There are a few games that belong on this list that haven’t been added yet. I would add them myself, but the referencing in this article is too complicated. If anyone’s up for it, here’s a list of video games I found that should be added to the list (the multiple references needed can be easily found on each Wikipedia page respectively under "Reception"): Dynamite Headdy (1994), Jet Set Radio Future (2002), Viva Piñata (2006), BioShock 2 (2010), and Horizon Zero Dawn (2017). -- Daniel.Nemitz ( talk) 17:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Recently, I've come across "The 100 Best Video Games of All Time" by HiConsumption and "The 500 Greatest Video Games of All Time" by Screenage Wasteland. Could these two lists be considered as reliable sources or not? -- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 03:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
https://hiconsumption.com/best-video-games-of-all-time/
https://screenagewasteland.com/the-500-greatest-games-of-all-time-500-476/
I was wondering if Persona 5 could be added to the list? Persona 5's wikipedia page has a link that leads to this article. 73.89.153.119 ( talk) 02:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
I figure I should at least bring this blog from hiconsumption.com to your attention: https://hiconsumption.com/best-video-games-of-all-time/. You’ve probably never heard it before, well neither have I. Because of that, I’d like a second opinion of if this is within Wikipedia’s guidelines, as I have lost how to find the page. (BlueBlurHog) 8 December 2021, 02:34 (UTC)
~~~~
), you won't need to fix your signature so frequently. You can edit your signature in your
preferences. –
Rhain
☔
03:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)Considering that Assassins Creed II was added, and Assassins Creed IV having many times contested Assassins Creed II as the best game of its franchise, I was wondering if it would be accurate to add it too? 1st Duke of Wellington ( talk) 03:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Any chance of getting disco elysium on the list? It got very high review scores and stands out among even games on this list in terms of writing, art and level of execution, especially after the huge free update it got. 172.58.156.91 ( talk) 16:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
IGN has just posted a new top 100 staff list, which I will transcribe and incorporate shortly. Phediuk ( talk) 18:10, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
IGN 2021
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. Super Mario World 3. Portal 2 4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 5. Super Metroid 6. Mass Effect 2 7. Super Mario 64 8. Red Dead Redemption 2 9. Half-Life 2 10. Disco Elysium 11. Super Mario Bros. 3 12. Grand Theft Auto V 13. Hades 14. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 15. Halo 2 16. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 17. The Last of Us 18. Bioshock 19. Bloodborne 20. Undertale 21. Super Mario Bros. 22. Street Fighter II 23. Portal 24. Chrono Trigger 25. God of War (2018) 26. Half-Life: Alyx 27. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 28. Tetris 29. Doom (1993) 30. Final Fantasy XIV 31. Half-Life 32. Halo: Combat Evolved 33. Minecraft 34. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 35. Civilization IV 36. Metal Gear Solid 37. Red Dead Redemption 38. The Last of Us Part 2 39. Shadow of the Colossus 40. Resident Evil 4 41. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 42. Metroid Prime 43. Pokémon Yellow 44. Final Fantasy VI 45. Fallout: New Vegas 46. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 47. World of Warcraft 48. StarCraft 49. Diablo II 50. Earthbound 51. Left 4 Dead 2 52. Counter-Strike 53. Ms. Pac-Man 54. Hollow Knight 55. Apex Legends 56. Overwatch 57. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 58. Journey 59. The Witness 60. Dishonored 2 61. Batman: Arkham City 62. Rise of the Tomb Raider 63. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 64. Control 65. XCOM 2 66. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 67. Silent Hill 2 68. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 69. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 70. The Sims 3 71. Donkey Kong 72. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 73. Dota 2 74. Return of the Obra Dinn 75. Spelunky 2 76. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 77. Goldeneye (1997) 78. Fable 2 79. Fortnite 80. Dark Souls 81. Persona 5 Royal 82. Mortal Kombat 11 83. System Shock 2 84. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 85. Monster Hunter: World 86. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 87. Titanfall 2 88. Inside 89. SimCity 2000 90. Thief II: The Metal Age 91. Animal Crossing: New Horizons 92. Mega Man 3 93. League of Legends 94. Fallout 2 95. Burnout 3: Takedown 96. Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge 97. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 98. Final Fantasy VII 99. Divinity: Original Sin 2 100. Borderlands 2 |
In my opinion, there are a lot of games that should've been on this list. Maybe they don't fit the criteria or whatever, but they are truly some of the best games ever (maybe, just maybe, the criteria should be modified?). Here are some that come to mind: God of War (2018), Super Mario Odyssey, Red Dead Redemption 2, Hades, Celeste, Fallout: New Vegas, Hollow Knight, Metal Gear Solid V, Castlevania: Rondo of Blood, The Binding of Isaac, Divinity: Original Sin 2, Persona 5, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, Mega Man X/X2, Doom (2016), Contra III, Donkey Kong Country II, and Gunstar Heroes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InterestedGamer ( talk • contribs) 05:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to know: only the original versions can be considered the best games or their ports as well? If ports also matter, which ones? Thank you. 80.214.159.56 ( talk) 19:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
TV Asahi just released the results of a massive poll of the Japanese public, ranking the top 100 games of all time. 50,000 Japanese citizens took part in the poll and the results were announced as part of a 3 hour TV special. With such a large sample size, it seems like a pretty notable source for determining what games are considered to be the best of all time. I'm going to assume that this list still won't count though, because this page only takes into consideration lists *by critics*, so I have to ask, why is this restriction in place? It doesn't appear to make sense within the terms of the page's title. "List of video games considered the best" you would think would take into account the opinions of the general population, to limit consideration to just critics appears like an arbitrary exclusion method. It's not as though the article is titled "List of video games considered the best by critics", though that is in effect what it is, because you cannot presume a minority of critics is a good sample for what is considered the best by the wider population. A poll of 50k people conducted by a major TV network feels pretty appropriate for inclusion. 2A00:23C6:8281:A501:B946:68BF:BC93:547E ( talk) 18:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
I would like to know what is the criteria for evaluating or what constitutes as the “greatest” games. To my knowledge, both Fallout: New Vegas and Red Dead Redemption 2 are held in much higher regard (by both gamers and critics, alike) than Fallout 3 and GTA V. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.47.152.77 ( talk) 14:02, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Not one single game on this list originating from the most popular home computer of all time, the Commodore 64? It was THE "indie game" computer of its time, and the de facto gaming machine in Europe for many years in the 80s and early 90s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabdah ( talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I’ve seen people add games without the proper citations before, so I must ask; how exactly is this page constantly prone to vandalism? I’m not even allowed to edit the article, so how are strangers able to arbitrarily add games in? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Scratch that, I completely misinterpreted the lock icon. My mistake. But still, I clicked the real edit button, just to see what happens, and I had full permission to edit. How is it that permission is not more restricted? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 15:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Looking through the omnibus data, I can't help but notice that some of these lists are well...old. In fact, the oldest were created almost 27 years ago, older than most Wikipedia editors. I think it's not unfair to say that these lists are lacking some much needed perspective, given that the games listed are lacking a dimension. I believe that these lists should be removed and replaced with more recent lists, or at the very least given less weight than lists published last year, because at the moment this page has a very clear anti-recency bias in the games selected. For example, 13 of the games listed are from 1993 alone, while 0 are from 2018-2022. 216.154.44.171 ( talk) 03:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Why are games being consider the best hard to put here? It’s practically never been updated since BOTW was out here. Kramirez0113 ( talk) 12:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Where tf is Mario Odyssey Kramirez0113 ( talk) 14:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
This topic is very good and underrated. I wish this topic be updated to 2022 Hakimehsasani ( talk) 20:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Digitally Downloaded (which is listed under WP:VGRS as reliable) made a list of the "100 canonical games" apparently dated to 2016, but it's clearly a top 100 list. http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-top-100-of-all-time-how-many-have.html for the full list, with write-ups earlier at http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-100-canonical-games-10-1.html , http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-100-canonical-games-20-11.html , etc. Any objections to including it? SnowFire ( talk) 23:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Digitally Downloaded, 2016
|
---|
1. Nier 2. Persona 4 3. Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc 4. Doom (1993) 5. Minecraft 6. Metal Gear Solid 7. Earthbound 8. Eternal Darkness 9. No Man's Sky 10. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 11. Civilization 2 12. Beyond Good & Evil 13. Chrono Trigger 14. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 15. Super Mario 64 16. Animal Crossing 17. Soulcalibur 2 18. The Sims 19. Catherine 20. Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth 21. Fatal Frame 2 22. Final Fantasy X 23. Journey 24. Life is Strange 25. Mass Effect 2 26. Mega Man 2 27. Dragon Age: Origins 28. Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade 29. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 30. Samurai Warriors 3 31. Pokemon Red and Blue 32. Simcity 2000 33. Spec Ops: The Line 34. Pac-Man 35. Papers, Please 36. Final Fantasy 6 37. Metroid Prime 38. 1979 Revolution: Black Friday 39. Ori and the Blind Forest 40. Street Fighter 2 41. Bound 42. Yakuza 5 43. American McGee's Alice 44. To the Moon 45. Day of the Tentacle 46. Pokemon Gold and Silver 47. Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE 48. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 49. Final Fantasy Tactics 50. Double Dragon 51. Magic Carpet 52. Heavy Rain 53. Gauntlet 54. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 55. Half-Life 56. Tetris 57. Kingdom Hearts 58. Little King's Story 59. Garou: Mark of the Wolves 60. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis 61. Pandora's Tower 62. Super Mario Bros. 3 63. Nethack 64. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind 65. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour 66. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 67. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 68. Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure 69. Valkyria Chronicles 70. Mario Kart 64 71. Suikoden 2 72. Shadow of the Colossus 73. Prince of Persia (1989) 74. Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 75. Yoshi's Island 76. Star Wars: TIE Fighter 77. Super International Cricket 78. Steins;Gate 79. Rock Band 80. Road Rash 81. Wild Arms 3 82. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings 83. Super Smash Bros. Melee 84. The Last of Us 85. Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos 86. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord 87. Tales from the Borderlands 88. The Walking Dead: Season 1 89. The Wolf Among Us 90. WWF No Mercy 91. Baldur's Gate 92. Hatsune Miku: Future Tone 93. King's Field 4 94. Space Invaders 95. Lollipop Chainsaw 96. Xenogears 97. Europa Universalis 4 98. Goldeneye (1997) 99. Dark Sun: Wake of the Ravager 100. Gregory Horror Show |
Will incorporate this into the main page shortly. The new additions will be Eternal Darkness, Pokemon Gold and Silver, Heavy Rain, Suikoden II, and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. Phediuk ( talk) 18:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I read through WP:VGRS , and Easy Allies is an reliable source. I searched, and found https://forums.easyallies.com/topic/4820/allies-what-are-your-top-10-games-of-all-time-name-one-game-per-franchise. Although I’m curious if this list meets the criteria for inclusion as a source for THIS page, because the very title of it says “One game per franchise.” Is this too exclusive of a source? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
If so, I found a second one, which is also listed under WP:VGRS as reliable: https://www.gamerevolution.com/features/1995-the-greatest-games-of-alltime. Of course, is this source also acceptable for this particular article? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
You know what, I found a third article that I’d like checked. It’s not on WP:VGRS, similarly to Tony Mott’s “1000 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die” book, but even if it were, I am unsure if this one from PBS should be included, as it claims to have asked “some notable gamers (some of which are big names in video game history) to share their lists of hits and bombs.” BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that only the games' publishers are listed, and not their original developers, despite the developers doing the main heavy-lifting for the creative process of each game. How would everyone feel about adding another column to list the original developers of each game (i.e. Remedy Entertainment for Max Payne, HAL Laboratory for Super Smash Bros. Melee, PlatinumGames for Bayonetta, Turtle Rock Studios for Left 4 Dead, etc.)
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
This is not a list I want added, but I’m perplexed. Do I credit this as going to Guinness Book of World Records, or Eurogamer?
On the one hand, it’s from Eurogamer’s own website.
On the other hand, it says the list if from Guinness.
The article also says “The list was decided on by ‘a crack team of industry experts’ and some girl called Ellie.” Ellie being the author of the very article.
It’s nit my interest that this list be added, I just want to know who this lost gets credited to, and at the very least if it is one more source to add to the trash barrel. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 12:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I found a Gematsu list from 2021. Even though it says here, WP:VGRS that Gematsu is reliable, having learned from past experiences, I’d like some feedback about it. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I also found this. Howchoo is not declared reliable by WP:VGRS like Gematsu, but because the article is written by the word of the author, I’m curious if it’s possible for inclusion. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
videogamer.com is also declared a reliable source by WP:VGRS, and it just so happens to have a best games of all time list. Although, I can’t seem to find the publication date. Could somebody look at this in case I overlooked something? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 03:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Like seriously, the fact that there is not even a single game from past 5 years proves newer publications and magazines needs to be added in consideration. Games like red dead redemption 2, Fallout New Vegas, God of war, hades, disco Elysium and many other games deserve this spot , more than many old and forgotten games mentioned in this list. Shank19112000 ( talk) 19:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Elden Ring (2022) is one of the best reviewed games of all time by now. I believe it's time that it is included on this list. Thank you 190.237.54.50 ( talk) 16:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I feel like these games should be on here, ngl. Kramirez0113 ( talk) 05:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I found a GamesTM Top 200 list from 2018 that seems to meet the inclusion criteria. I can post the rankings if it's eligible.
https://www.gamesradar.com/gamestm-200-is-here-the-200-greatest-games-of-all-time-revealed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnnecessarySuggestions ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Games TM 2018
|
---|
|
BenSPVE ( talk) 23:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I didn't expect such a quick response. It seems like everyone else has this covered, but I also have access to the magazine if anything more is needed. UnnecessarySuggestions ( talk) 16:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I find the cutoff at 6 mentions quite arbitrary. Wouldn't it make more sense to record for each game the percentage of lists that it appears on, and to let the list be sorted by that metric? Since lists are differently long, I would compute a separate metric for "percentage of top-100 lists". (To save some work, this needn't be expressed as a percentage either, but could just be the absolute number of mentions so long as the number of lists included is clearly stated. The data is there already, in the reference column, but that can't be used to sort or select on...) Better yet, one might correct for the age of a game by displaying the percentage of lists *since its release* that it appeared on. (That would have to be a percentage or an "X of Y" though since the number of lists considered would vary between games...) 2A02:8109:B640:1518:E958:B8F2:2110:5BC0 ( talk) 07:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
I've perused the four older Edge lists (2000, 2003, 2007, 2009) to see if any of them are usable. The 2003 list is just a bunch of top 10s for different genres; the 2007 list uses reader votes; and the 2009 list seems to treat "Best Games to Play Today" as a different thing from "best of all time" in its preamble. So, no to all of those. However, the 2000 list from issue #80, titled "The 100 Best Games of All Time", meets all criteria: best games ever, staff-chosen, no platform/genre restrictions, and, being Edge, RS. Segaretro has conveniently preserved the issue here; the list starts on page 52.
Edge 2000
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Super Mario 64 3. Goldeneye (1997) 4. Tetris 5. Gran Turismo 6. Quake II 7. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 8. Street Fighter II 9. Half-Life 10. Super Mario World 11. Pokemon Red and Blue 12. Civilization II 13. Final Fantasy VII 14. Super Metroid 15. Puyo Puyo 16. Metal Gear Solid 17. Super Bomberman 18. Super Mario Kart 19. Tekken 3 20. Tomb Raider (1996) 21. Total Annihilation 22. Grand Prix 2 23. X-COM: Terror from the Deep 24. Final Fantasy Tactics 25. Nights into Dreams 26. Simcity 2000 27. Anna Kournikova’s Smash Court Tennis 28. Tempest 2000 29. Starcraft 30. Soul Calibur 31. ISS Pro Evolution 32. Resident Evil (1996) 33. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 34. International Track & Field 35. Pilotwings 64 36. Colin McRae Rally 37. Bust-a-Move 2 38. Doom II 39. Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter 40. Hidden & Dangerous 41. 1080 Snowboarding 42. Secret of Mana 43. Sega Rally Championship 44. Star Fox 64 45. Wave Race 64 46. R4: Ridge Racer Type 4 47. Ultima Online 48. The Secret of Monkey Island 49. Robotron 2084 50. R-Type 51. Sonic Adventure 52. Bubble Bobble 53. Outrun 54. Stunt Car Racer 55. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 56. Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament 57. Death Tank 58. Daytona USA 59. Sensible Soccer 60. Sonic the Hedgehog 61. Virtua Fighter 2 62. The Need For Speed 63. Elite 64. Defender 65. Head Over Heels 66. Super Sprint 67. Mercenary 68. The Sentinel 69. Exile (1988) 70. Grand Theft Auto 71. Shinobi (1987) 72. Contra III: The Alien Wars 73. Rampart 74. Pac-Man 75. Galaga 76. Bomb Jack 77. Return Fire 78. Chu Chu Rocket 79. Gauntlet II 80. NHL ’98 81. Marble Madness 82. Populous II 83. Super Pang 84. Thrust 85. Legend of the Mystical Ninja 86. Xenogears 87. Gradius 88. Lemmings 89. Asteroids 90. Paradroid 91. Boulder Dash 2 92. Wipeout 93. Strider (arcade) 94. NBA Jam 95. Syndicate (1993) 96. Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom 97. Choplifter 98. Time Crisis 99. Solomon’s Key 100. Super Punch-Out!! |
I'll go ahead and add this, if there are no objections. As a result of this list's incorporation, Total Annihilation will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 05:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
It seems like Popular Mechanics may have updated their list of "The 100 Greatest Video Games of All Time", since apparently this list was published eight days ago according to the website. I may be mistaken here and this may be an older list that they decided to repost, but I'll leave it here in case if it's actually an updated version.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 22:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
So I found EGM's Top 100 list from 1997, and while it fits Wikipedia's criteria for selection (no input from readers, no limiting to one genre, etc.), there are still some oddities with the list, such as listing games twice due to them counting each version of a game as its own game (such as Mega Man X4's Saturn and PlayStation versions being listed separately rather than together). That being said, I'm gonna leave it here and see if it can be implemented into the list.
https://kirk.is/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I stumbled upon this index that has collected around 66 "greatest video game" lists. Some of these lists in question are already integrated into the main page, but I'm gonna leave this here in case if there's one or two lists from this index that aren't present and meet Wikipedia's standards.
https://www.videogamecanon.com/lists/
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
GamingBolt has released a new list of the top 30 games of all time. Source: https://gamingbolt.com/top-30-video-games-of-all-time -- Wrath X ( talk) 11:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
GamingBolt, 2022
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. Red Dead Redemption II 3. God of War (2018) 4. Half-Life 2 5. Elden Ring 6. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 7. Bloodborne 8. Grand Theft Auto V 9. Super Mario Odyssey 10. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 11. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 12. The Last of Us 13. Persona 5 Royal 14. Hollow Knight 15. Hades 16. Horizon Forbidden West 17. Forza Horizon 5 18. Ori and the Will of the Wisps 19. Undertale 20. Silent Hill 2 21. Halo 3 22. Control 23. Portal 2 24. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 25. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 26. Batman: Arkham City 27. Mass Effect 2 28. Shadow of the Colossus 29. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 30. Burnout 3: Takedown |
Once this list is incorporated, Undertale will be added to the main list. Will do so shortly. Phediuk ( talk) 02:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I think God of War 2018 and RDR2 both now qualify for the list too, right?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Charizard777 ( talk • contribs) 23:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Found a Game Informer list published all the way back in 2001. The only Game Informer lists used so far are from 2009 and 2018, and like with those lists, this was made to commemorate a milestone issue (in this case, being their 100th issue) and seemingly fits the criteria for this page (editor selected, reputable outlet, etc.)
Game Informer, 2001
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda 2. Super Mario Bros. 3. Tetris 4. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 5. Doom (1993) 6. Metroid 7. Final Fantasy VI 8. Super Mario Bros. 3 9. Ms. Pac-Man 10. Final Fantasy VII 11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 12. Super Mario 64 13. Contra 14. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out 15. Chrono Trigger 16. Goldeneye 007 17. Metal Gear Solid 18. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 19. Galaga 20. NHLPA Hockey 93 21. Gran Turismo 22. Street Fighter II 23. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 24. Sonic the Hedgehog 25. Warlords 26. Crash Bandicoot: Warped 27. Madden NFL 2001 28. Command & Conquer 29. Super Metroid 30. Super Mario Bros. 2 31. SimCity 32. Mega Man 2 33. EverQuest 34. Resident Evil 2 35. Super Mario Kart 36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 37. Dragon Warrior 38. Tecmo Bowl 39. Pokemon Blue / Red / Yellow 40. Final Fantasy IV 41. Pitfall! 42. Star Wars: X-Wing 43. Final Fantasy IX 44. Excitebike 45. Final Fantasy Tactics 46. Super Mario World 47. Adventure 48. Castlevania 49. Counter-Strike 50. Virtua Tennis 51. Ridge Racer 52. Lode Runner 53. Metal Gear 54. Tenchu: Stealth Assassins 55. Chrono Cross 56. Tempest 2000 57. Arkanoid 58. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 59. Tekken 2 60. Donkey Kong 61. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 62. Civilization 63. Baseball Stars 64. Gauntlet 65. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest 66. Bionic Commando 67. Ghouls N Ghosts 68. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 69. Resident Evil Code: Veronica 70. Zork 71. Banjo-Kazooie 72. Robotron 2048 73. Twisted Metal 2 74. Soulcalibur 75. Double Dragon 76. Dr. Mario 77. Secret of Mana 78. Panzer Dragoon Saga 79. Pro Wrestling 80. The Sims 81. Age of Empires 82. Suikoden 83. Kid Icarus 84. RC Pro-Am 85. NFL 2K1 86. Tomb Raider (1996) 87. Hot Shots Golf 88. Road Rash 89. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 90. Super Bomberman 91. Mario's Picross 92. Cool Boarders 2 93. Ninja Gaiden 94. Phantasy Star 95. NBA 2K1 96. Tetris Attack/Panel de Pon 97. Mortal Kombat II 98. Starcraft 99. House of the Dead 2 100. Ape Escape |
Doesn't seem like any new entries will be added with the addition of this list, but I say integrate it anyways. -- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 06:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the Top 20 entries of GamesRadar's 2021 list. According to the article, they "were shortlisted by a panel of industry experts and luminaries, and voted on by the viewers of the Golden Joystick Awards". To me, this means that the top 20's inclusion in the list was decided by industry experts/luminaries, with their rankings decided by viewers. The top 20 should thus be taken into account here albeit unranked. This article explains the selection of the top 20 in greater detail. What do others think of this? -- Wrath X ( talk) 05:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Somebody claims that this is EGM’s 1997 list. But is EGM an accepted source for this article? I don’t remember if it’s been brought up before, though I have a shaky feeling it has. Someone let me know? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Following the full inclusion of the GamesRadar 2021 list, I think we should probably incorporate this list, too. Similarly to the GR list, it was chosen by the GameSpy staff with solicited input from industry experts (ie., journalists and developers.) Since there were no objections to such an arrangement with the GR list, I believe GameSpy's is also suitable for inclusion. It meets all other criteria as well: no platform/genre/era restrictions, clearly noted as "our list of gaming's best", and reliable source.
GameSpy, 2001
|
---|
1. Doom (1993) 2. Half-Life 3. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 4. Civilization 5. Quake 6. Diablo 7. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar 8. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss 9. Starcraft 10. The Legend of Zelda 11. Super Mario 64 12. System Shock 2 13. Duke Nukem 3D 14. Age of Empires 15. Everquest 16. Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings 17. The Bard’s Tale 18. Deus Ex 19. Tetris 20. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 21. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord 22. Civilization II 23. Final Fantasy VI 24. System Shock 25. M.U.L.E. 26. Star Control II 27. Asheron’s Call 28. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 29. Counter-Strike 30. Street Fighter II 31. Command & Conquer 32. Metal Gear Solid 33. Simcity (1989) 34. Wing Commander 35. X-COM: UFO Defense 36. Baldur’s Gate 37. Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn 38. Goldeneye (1997) 39. Zork 40. Thief: The Dark Project 41. Ultima III: Exodus 42. Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny 43. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 44. Marathon 45. Planescape: Torment 46. Super Metroid 47. Quake II 48. Ultima Online 49. Empire: Wargame of the Century 50. Total Annihilation |
If there are no objections, I will incorporate this shortly. M.U.L.E. will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 05:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Hyper has published several top games lists over the years, which I will summarize here; all issues may be perused in this archive (thank you to user TarkusAB for bringing this collection to my attention.) We have already incorporated their 1995 list. As for the rest, here goes: there's a top 50 in issue 84 (2000) that's really a "best games of the generation" list, a top 100 in issue 100 (2002) that's actually 10 different top 10s, a top 100 in issue 113 (2003) that's a reader poll, a top 50 list in issue 144 (2005) that seemingly-deliberately does not actually state that it's a list of the best games (basically every staff member contributes a game they wanted to talk about for whatever reason), a "101 Games You Must Play" list in issue 260 (2015) that explicitly says it's not a best games list, and a "200 Games You Must Play" in issue 269 (2018) that does not clearly state it's a best games list either. However, I believe the issues from issue 50 (1997) and issue 73 (1999) are acceptable for inclusion; they're a reliable source, staff-chosen, clearly about the best games, and are not subject to any platform/genre/era restrictions. Therefore, I see no reason not to include them here. The 1997 list, which is unranked, is titled "The 50 Best Games Ever!" on the cover and "The 50 Most Shit Hot Games Ever" in the issue itself; I hope no one minds if I cite it under the less-vulgar title. The 1999 list, which is ranked, is about naming the "greatest experience in gaming" according to the preamble, and is just called "The Top 50 Games of All Time!"
Hyper, 1997
|
---|
Quake Doom (1993) Wipeout (series) Ultima (series) Final Fantasy (series) Diablo Virtua Fighter (series) Street Fighter (series) Tekken (series) Barbarian Gauntlet (series) Samurai Shodown (series) International Superstar Soccer (series) Prince of Persia (series) Bomberman (series) Virtual-On Command & Conquer Warcraft (series) Another World / Flashback (dual entry) Virtua Cop 1&2 (dual entry) Dark Reign Tobal 1&2 (dual entry) Nights into Dreams The Legend of Zelda (series) Star Wars: X-Wing / TIE Fighter (series) Donkey Kong (series) Shadowrun (SNES) Metroid (series) Castlevania (series) Tomb Raider (1996) Monkey Island (series) Simcity (series) Super Mario 64 Descent Pitfall (series) Spy vs. Spy Ghosts 'n Goblins Tetris Daytona USA NBA Jam (series) Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee Civilization (series) Mario Kart 64 Elite Sega Rally Championship Time Crisis Sonic the Hedgehog (series) Way of the Exploding Fist Lemmings The Elder Scrolls (series) |
Hyper, 1999
|
---|
1. Quake (series) 2. Mario (series) 3. The Legend of Zelda (series) 4. Doom (1993) 5. Wipeout (series) 6. Street Fighter II 7. Warcraft (series) 8. Sonic the Hedgehog (series) 9. Civilization 10. Ultima (series) 11. Tetris 12. Mario Kart (series) 13. Goldeneye (1997) 14. Diablo 15. Virtua Fighter (series) 16. Sam & Max Hit the Road 17. Elite 18. Final Fantasy (series) 19. Gran Turismo 20. Tekken (series) 21. Metal Gear Solid 22. Gauntlet (series) 23. Command & Conquer (series) 24. Tomb Raider (series) 25. Lemmings 26. Pac-Man 27. Simcity (series) 28. Ghosts 'n Goblins 29. Prince of Persia (series) 30. Half-Life 31. Breakout 32. Sega Rally (series) 33. Resident Evil (series) 34. Baldur's Gate 35. Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter (series) 36. Grand Prix Legends 37. Unreal 38. Metroid (series) 39. Galaga 40. Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 41. Soul Blade (series) 42. Zork (series) 43. Double Dragon (series) 44. Descent (series) 45. Defender 46. Final Fight 47. Bust-a-Move (series) 48. Raiden (series) 49. FIFA (series) 50. X-COM (series) |
Due to the high number of "series" and dual entries (which are not counted), there isn't that much to add, but there will still be two more games added to the main list once these are incorporated: Mario Kart 64 and Baldur's Gate. Will add them shortly. Phediuk ( talk) 19:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
We already have Esquire's 2020 list on here, but they also did another top 20 in 2018, titled "The (Real) Greatest Video Games Of All-Time". It meets all criteria: reliable source, editor-chosen, clearly about greatest games, and no platform/genre/era restrictions. So, if there are no objections, I'll incorporate it. The list is not ranked. Here's the transcription:
Esquire, 2018
|
---|
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers Battlefield 1942 Mario Kart 8 Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Tetris Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Theme Hospital Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 Snake (mobile) Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars Pokemon Crystal Super Mario 64 Goldeneye (1997) Batman: Arkham City The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Portal Metal Gear Solid The Secret of Monkey Island Pokemon Go Final Fantasy VII |
Battlefield 1942 will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 06:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 5 | Archive 6 | Archive 7 | Archive 8 | Archive 9 | Archive 10 | Archive 11 |
Hi all,
I've very much enjoyed this page over the past several years, and I appreciate your diligence in keeping it up. I have a request that would really help me as a reader.
Would you please list the reference count in a new column on the table?
By looking at the reference list (clicking [V] in the last column) for Tetris, I can see that it's featured on 41 lists, as follows:
[9][10][40][39][27][11][14][22][35][41][42][36][24][28][38][23][1][13][20][43][17][37][4][15][25][16][3][2][44][45][7][18][6][29][26][32][8][33][46][30][19]
By clicking [FS] for Company of Heroes, I can see it's featured in 6 lists, as follows:
[39][41][2][34][18][7]
Those count figures encode obviously important information. If we had to choose, say, five games as the best of all time, I can certainly see Tetris making that list over Company of Heroes, even if both are among the best games of all time more broadly.
And that information is on the page already; it's just hard to access. Adding it directly into the table (and making the table sortable by that column) would do a lot to help me as a reader, and would only entail making existing information more accessible. 2600:8807:5780:3510:FD8C:C558:D1F5:E37F ( talk) 15:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
After combing through the omnibus data again to see if anything was still missing from the main list, I actually found a game: Ninja Gaiden for the NES. It has now been added. Phediuk ( talk) 10:23, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
I recently discovered this 2019 list from Popular Mechanics: https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/ I hope this counts as a list of best games/helps fill the list out
47.14.147.55 ( talk) 20:40, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
List of video games considered the best has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
83.89.63.110 ( talk) 18:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)
mega man x
Hardcore Gaming 101 updated their "200 Best Video Games of All Time" list in 2020. More precisely, they added 18 additional games to the list, so, in the words of Kurt Kalata, "now it’s something like '218 Best Games of All Time'". The additions are as follows:
Hardcore Gaming 101, 2020
|
---|
428: Shibuya Scramble Alien: Isolation Batman: Arkham City Celeste Crazy Taxi Donkey Kong ’94 Doom (2016) Dragon Quest Builders 2 Dragon’s Dogma The House in Fata Morgana Killer Instinct (2013) The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Life Is Strange Lode Runner Nex Machina Super Mario Odyssey Undertale Valkyrie Profile |
Once these additions are incorporated, Lode Runner will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 04:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Fairly minor note, but any objection to changing the Oregon Trail entry to reference The Oregon Trail (1985 video game) rather than the 1971 one? I'd be shocked if that wasn't a better and more accurate article/date to pick - the number of people who played that version & its descendants is much, much greater than the 1971 one. Can add a footnote to explain worst comes to worst. I tried to check a few of the lists but many seem to have "updated" to remove that one as far as yearly rotations, and I'll grant that two of the ones that were still up offered 1970s dates, but I suspect that was more from laziness. SnowFire ( talk) 05:06, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
I’ve looked at the source material used to build this list, and many of them, six publishers if I remember correctly, have the game, Battlefield 1942. Could I have a second opinion here? (BlueBlurHog) 16:45 (UTC)
Just thought I'd like to hear the views of other editors who contribute to this list article. Do you believe that it is a sign of a video game's importance and perhaps influence within the video game industry as a whole if it meets the criteria for inclusion in this article, seeing as how it would have been vetted to be one of the best or greatest video game works by no less then 6 distinct sources? Haleth ( talk) 17:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
Everybody, it’s been asked by many, many people in the past, and answered by others constantly. So, to reduce the need to ask and answer, I’ll remind the newcomers of what they need to do. To all who are new to this page, and to all who are new to Wikipedia as a whole, the criteria on the top of the main article. Read it thoroughly, and you’ll find the instructions. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 19:59, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The omnibus list data is located here; use the headers at the left to jump to the list(s) you want to check. Phediuk ( talk) 19:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
Stuff, 2011 Log
|
---|
1. Half-Life 2 2. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3. Super Mario Bros. 4. Doom (1993) 5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City 6. Portal 7. Sonic the Hedgehog 8. Angry Birds 9. Tetris 10. Super Mario Kart 11. Goldeneye (1997) 12. Red Dead Redemption 13. Rock Band 3 14. Elite 15. Space Invaders 16. Outrun 17. Final Fantasy VII 18. LA Noire 19. Sensible World of Soccer 20. Quake 21. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 22. Mass Effect 23. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 24. Pac-Man 25. Super Mario 64 26. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 27. Super Mario Galaxy 2 28. Pro Evolution Soccer 4 29. Wii Sports Resort 30. Tomb Raider (1996) 31. Halo: Combat Evolved 32. Lemmings 33. Fallout 3 34. Counter-Strike 35. LittleBigPlanet 2 36. SingStar 37. Street Fighter II 38. Sega Rally Championship 39. Mega Bomberman 40. Burnout 3: Takedown 41. World of Warcraft 42. Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 43. Championship Manager 97/98 44. Monkey Island 2: LeChuck’s Revenge 45. God of War III 46. Simcity 47. Kinect Sports 48. Wipeout 49. Worms 50. Bioshock 51. Bubble Bobble 52. R-Type 53. Forza Motorsport 2 54. MotorStorm 55. Streets of Rage 2 56. Patapon 57. Star Wars: X-Wing 58. Deus Ex 59. Shenmue 60. Left 4 Dead 61. Wii Fit Plus 62. Jet Set Willy 63. Command & Conquer 64. Defender of the Crown 65. Diablo 66. Resident Evil 4 67. Medal of Honor: Allied Assault 68. Super Metroid 69. DJ Hero 2 70. The Sims 71. Stunt Car Racer 72. Virtua Tennis 73. Underwurlde 74. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 75. Crazy Taxi 76. Road Rash II 77. Castlevania 78. Phantasy Star II 79. FIFA 11 80. Metal Slug 81. Knight Lore 82. Sid Meier's Pirates! (1987) 83. Double Dragon 84. NBA Jam 85. Grand Prix Legends 86. Alone in the Dark (1992) 87. TimeSplitters 2 88. Ico 89. Skate 90. Oddworld: Abe’s Oddysee 91. Micro Machines 92. California Games 93. Rainbow Islands 94. Virtua Fighter 2 95. Age of Empires 96. PGA Tour Golf 97. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 98. Red Baron 3D 99. Dungeon Master 100. Civilization |
I looked through this list from the horse's mouth, and under the log, but this is what the horse's mouth has to whinny:
Stuff, 2011 Cited
|
---|
Half-Life 2 Super Mario Galaxy 2 Ocarina of Time Super Mario Bros. Doom 1 RDR 1 Sonic 1 Tetris Super Mario Kart GoldenEye 007 Beatles Rock Band Space Invaders World of Warcraft Elite Flight Control (2009) (iPhone) Sensible World of Soccer Final Fantasy 6 GTA 3 Quake Gran Turismo 3
Angry Birds Turrican 2 Street Fighter 2 Mega Bomberman Sega Rally CoD: Modern Warfare 2 Football Manager Handheld 2010
Monkey Island 2 God of War 3 Wipeout SimCity Worms BioShock Bubble Bobble R-Type Forza Motorsport 2 MotorStorm Patapon Star Wars: X-wing Deus Ex Shenmue Left 4 Dead WII Fit Plus Jet Set Willy Command and Conquer Defender of the Crown Diablo 1
Resident Evil 4 Medal of Honor: Allied Assault Out Run Super Metroid Guitar Hero Metallica The Sims Stunt Car Racer Virtua Tennis Underwurlde MGS 2 Crazy Taxi Road Rash 2 Castlevania 1 Phantasy Star 2 FIFA 10 Metal Slug Knightlore Pirates! Double Dragon NBA Jam
Grand Prix Legends Alone in the Dark TimeSplitters 2 Ico Skate Oddworld: Abe’s Odyssee Micro Machines Ant Attack California Games Rainbow Islands Virtua Fighter 2 Rome: Total Warrior PGA Tour Golf Uncharted 2 Red Baron 3D Dr Kawashima’s Brain Training Dungeon Master Mercenary Dungeon Master Civilization |
Notice how in the original source, Dungeon Master is repeated, and that placements of certain games don't match (regardless if slots are missing)? Or do I have the wrong source? Because if you go directly to the 2011 issue of Stuff Magazine, as directed in the citation, you won't get what was logged. Also, a weird glitch happens. If you’re at #95 or beyond, and click “100-81” again, you’ll be taken to Jet Set Radio, which doesn’t start at 100. 15:23 10 April 2021 (BlueBlurHog)
https://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2009/11/16/game-informer-s-top-100-games-of-all-time-circa-issue-100.aspx Should this list be added? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PS4Fanboy1232 ( talk • contribs) 16:39, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
https://www.gamingbible.co.uk/features/games-the-greatest-video-games-of-all-time-20-1-20201202 Should this list be added? JYmasktape ( talk) 20:46, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
I was thinking that the PlayStation should be added as one of the platforms for Tekken 3, since both the arcade and console versions released within six days of each other, and the game itself sold around 8 million units on the PSX, which pivotal to getting the series to the status it has nowadays.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 21:45, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
Oh.
That's embarrassing.
Sorry about that, forget anything I said.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:05, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
![]() | This
edit request to
List of video games considered the best has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I think that Red Dead Redemption 2 should be added to this list as millions of people including me consider it to be one of the greatest video games ever made. Jfewme ( talk) 16:58, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I was looking over the omnibus data and had a question. For the entries saying "series collectively", are those ignored for this page or is the first game in the series taken? Thanks. -- BenSPVE ( talk) 23:01, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello,
I could be wrong in this, but I believe California Games should be on the list. One source calls it "Californian Games" but I can't seem to find a game by that name, so I assume it is California Games?
Hyper 1995, Next Generation 1996, GameSpot 2007, Stuff 2008, FHM 2010, and 1001 Games are the sources. Thanks. -- BenSPVE ( talk) 19:46, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
This is probably just me being new, but could someone tell me how to add a section to the Notes section, in my case add IE with sources next to it? Thanks. Shikomu ( talk) 21:17, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
There was a Google Sheets list that kept track of the games found in multiple lists, but haven't reached the six different entries that qualify games for this page. When I decided to check on it recently, apparently the Sheets list was deleted due to no one editing it for some time.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:33, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey BenSPVE, very impressive list!! One omission that deserves credit, Sword of Fargoal. Great early dungeon crawl. From Wikipedia's own page... Computer Gaming World in 1996 listed Sword of Fargoal as #147 on the "Top 150 Best Video Games of All Time" Thanks. AA Pilot16 ( talk) 09:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Stumbled on this list from Florida Today, doesn't seem to be included yet. Is it eligible? https://eu.floridatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2016/09/21/complete-list-50-greatest-video-games-ever/90809786/
Apparently the threshold was originally five listings only, but at some point it was raised to be six listings?
In short, what were the specific reasons for raising the threshold?
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 12:59, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
Before I begin, I should preface that I think that the six listings threshold works for the most part, and that it shouldn't be removed. That being said, looking over at the list compiled by BenSPVE, there are a still number of games that are cited as some of the best games of all time (some of which are even referred to as such on their own Wikipedia pages), but aren't listed due to falling just short of the threshold limit. These are mainly games that have only five listings or less, yet according to popular opinion, are games that would likely be expected to show up on lists like these. The specific games I have in mind are games like Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots and Perfect Dark, both of which have five listings each and are referred to as one of the greatest games of all time on their own articles. There even some games that only have four listings, and yet are considered to be some of the most influential and beloved games of all time, like Mother 3 and Marvel vs. Capcom 2: New Age of Heroes. At the same time, however, there are some games with four or five listings that would not fit on this list, such as Heavenly Sword, which has been by and large forgotten by the gaming public at large.
So while I don't think the six listings threshold should be removed, I would like to suggest an addition to the process of adding games on here:
I think that while the six listing threshold does work, I don't think it should be the only method of adding games onto the list, especially for games that the gaming public at large otherwise thinks highly of. If this list is meant to reflect the opinions of gaming journalists and the gaming public as accurately, then I think the process to adding games needs to be improved, especially when considering the impact of some games that aren't mentioned at all here, yet are generally considered to be some of the best outside of this page.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:48, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey all, I was looking through the different sources for Zork on the list and I noticed that most of them either cite what we know as Zork I - The Great Underground Empire or use imagery from that game instead of the 1977 PDP version. Should we list Zork I from 1980 instead of Zork from 1977? Or does it not matter either way? 73.249.13.223 ( talk) 17:44, 2 October 2021 (UTC)
I propose GAMINGbible, 2020 for submission. This is the first page of 5 for the best 100 video games of all time as of 2020, presented by GAMINGbible: https://www.gamingbible.co.uk/features/games-the-greatest-video-games-of-all-time-100-81-20201130?c=1606757309701. Heads up, Pokemon Red/Blue/Yellow is on 51. I’m not sure how that one will go. (BlueBlurHog) 11 Oct 2021, 21:03 (UTC)
Requesting that someone add Skyrim. It was a game which not only was extremely hype for that year (11//11//11 release date); it also exceeded beyond the hype and was an intensely phenomenal and record breaking game. To this day it is understood to be a game well worth its value and time. Please accept this humble request JasonMoore ( talk) 15:14, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Skyrim is also on 13 of the lists on the omnibus data (and probably more). Only 5 showings are required to make the cut. JasonMoore ( talk) 15:19, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Roger thank you JasonMoore ( talk) 15:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Initially, when suggesting a way of adding games to this list, I was of the opinion that the six listing threshold shouldn't be lowered, but after giving it some thought, I ended up changing my mind.
The suggestions that were made as alternative methods went nowhere, and as other people brought up, the six listing threshold becomes much more strict as time goes on, due to publications and journalists not wanting to make their own lists of greatest games ever, and instead choose to make more specific lists for certain genres or generations of games. Personally, I don't believe that taking those specific lists into account would help much, as that would just lead to bloat in the list proper.
The five listing threshold may have made the list somewhat longer, but removing it also caused a bunch of games widely considered the best by the general public and journalists to be removed. Some of it got added back over time, like Ninja Gaiden, but many games commonly considered to be some of the best and most influential, such as Alone In The Dark, Demon's Souls, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, and Populus, are still excluded due to their inability to meet this criteria. And if anyone is worried about more questionable games showing up, it's worth reminding people that Destiny has already been added to the list, despite being divisive upon release and now being overshadowed by its sequel.
If this list were to more accurately reflect the general public and their opinions on which games are the greatest, then I think the threshold needs to be lowered. It would make the list longer, sure, but that was going to happen over time anyways, and the lists used as criteria for this article are getting less common. It's also worth mentioning that some games are always going to show up on these "greatest of all time lists" (think Final Fantasy VII, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Super Mario Bros., Halo: Combat Evolved, Half-Life 2, etc.), which basically results less room on those lists for newer games anyways, even if some of those newer games are as acclaimed as the ones on this article so far.
In conclusion, I think the threshold needs to be lowered in order to more accurately reflect the opinions of the public on what games are considered to be the best.
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:04, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
This article sources' are almost exclusively English, while according to https://www.statista.com/statistics/308454/gaming-revenue-countries/ the world's top game market is China, only then US, then Japan, Korea. So, this article is biased towards English publications. As such, sources in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean, should be added.-- Arw2 ( talk) 17:53, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
I'm surprised that none of the Ultima games are listed on this Wikipedia page especially Ultima IV... That particular game was one of the first, if not the first game to be more than just a hack-n-slash, shoot'em up, rack up as many points as possible. It had a storyline and inspired the player to look deeper into the game's completion requirements. And this from a game (IV) made/sold back in 1986!! Besides, it is included on many of the lists from the Video Game Canon site. Please give it consideration. Thank you. AA Pilot16 ( talk) 09:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
GamesRadar+ just published its list of the best 50 games. While the order of the top 20 was decided by readers, the information that actually matters—the games themselves, not the order—was selected by a panel of "industry experts and luminaries"; the criteria is outlined more here, including a list of some of the panelists. The list seems to meet the inclusion criteria, so I think it's certainly worth considering. – Rhain ☔ 03:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
GamesRadar 2021
|
---|
1. Dark Souls 2. Doom (1993) 3. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 4. Half-Life 2 5. Minecraft 6. Street Fighter II 7. Tetris 8. The Last of Us 9. Super Mario 64 10. Metal Gear Solid 11. Halo: Combat Evolved 12. Super Mario Bros. 3 13. Grand Theft Auto V 14. Portal 15. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 16. Pac-Man 17. Super Mario Kart 18. Space Invaders 19. SimCity (1989) 20. Pokemon Go 21. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 22. Bioshock 23. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 24. Journey 25. Resident Evil 4 26. God of War (2018) 27. Mass Effect 2 28. Red Dead Redemption II 29. Final Fantasy VII 30. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 31. Super Metroid 32. Stardew Valley 33. Dead Space 2 34. Dishonored 2 35. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 36. Shadow of the Colossus 37. Inside 38. Bloodborne 39. Bayonetta 2 40. Batman: Arkham Asylum 41. Fire Emblem: Three Houses 42. Destiny 2 43. Hades 44. Forza Horizon 4 45. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 46. Persona 4 Golden 47. Fortnite: Battle Royale 48. Fez 49. Assassin's Creed Odyssey 50. Animal Crossing: New Horizons |
There are a few games that belong on this list that haven’t been added yet. I would add them myself, but the referencing in this article is too complicated. If anyone’s up for it, here’s a list of video games I found that should be added to the list (the multiple references needed can be easily found on each Wikipedia page respectively under "Reception"): Dynamite Headdy (1994), Jet Set Radio Future (2002), Viva Piñata (2006), BioShock 2 (2010), and Horizon Zero Dawn (2017). -- Daniel.Nemitz ( talk) 17:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Recently, I've come across "The 100 Best Video Games of All Time" by HiConsumption and "The 500 Greatest Video Games of All Time" by Screenage Wasteland. Could these two lists be considered as reliable sources or not? -- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 03:19, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
https://hiconsumption.com/best-video-games-of-all-time/
https://screenagewasteland.com/the-500-greatest-games-of-all-time-500-476/
I was wondering if Persona 5 could be added to the list? Persona 5's wikipedia page has a link that leads to this article. 73.89.153.119 ( talk) 02:27, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
I figure I should at least bring this blog from hiconsumption.com to your attention: https://hiconsumption.com/best-video-games-of-all-time/. You’ve probably never heard it before, well neither have I. Because of that, I’d like a second opinion of if this is within Wikipedia’s guidelines, as I have lost how to find the page. (BlueBlurHog) 8 December 2021, 02:34 (UTC)
~~~~
), you won't need to fix your signature so frequently. You can edit your signature in your
preferences. –
Rhain
☔
03:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)Considering that Assassins Creed II was added, and Assassins Creed IV having many times contested Assassins Creed II as the best game of its franchise, I was wondering if it would be accurate to add it too? 1st Duke of Wellington ( talk) 03:29, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
Any chance of getting disco elysium on the list? It got very high review scores and stands out among even games on this list in terms of writing, art and level of execution, especially after the huge free update it got. 172.58.156.91 ( talk) 16:58, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
IGN has just posted a new top 100 staff list, which I will transcribe and incorporate shortly. Phediuk ( talk) 18:10, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
IGN 2021
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. Super Mario World 3. Portal 2 4. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 5. Super Metroid 6. Mass Effect 2 7. Super Mario 64 8. Red Dead Redemption 2 9. Half-Life 2 10. Disco Elysium 11. Super Mario Bros. 3 12. Grand Theft Auto V 13. Hades 14. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 15. Halo 2 16. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 17. The Last of Us 18. Bioshock 19. Bloodborne 20. Undertale 21. Super Mario Bros. 22. Street Fighter II 23. Portal 24. Chrono Trigger 25. God of War (2018) 26. Half-Life: Alyx 27. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater 28. Tetris 29. Doom (1993) 30. Final Fantasy XIV 31. Half-Life 32. Halo: Combat Evolved 33. Minecraft 34. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 35. Civilization IV 36. Metal Gear Solid 37. Red Dead Redemption 38. The Last of Us Part 2 39. Shadow of the Colossus 40. Resident Evil 4 41. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 42. Metroid Prime 43. Pokémon Yellow 44. Final Fantasy VI 45. Fallout: New Vegas 46. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 47. World of Warcraft 48. StarCraft 49. Diablo II 50. Earthbound 51. Left 4 Dead 2 52. Counter-Strike 53. Ms. Pac-Man 54. Hollow Knight 55. Apex Legends 56. Overwatch 57. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 58. Journey 59. The Witness 60. Dishonored 2 61. Batman: Arkham City 62. Rise of the Tomb Raider 63. Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 64. Control 65. XCOM 2 66. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 67. Silent Hill 2 68. Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island 69. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 70. The Sims 3 71. Donkey Kong 72. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe 73. Dota 2 74. Return of the Obra Dinn 75. Spelunky 2 76. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate 77. Goldeneye (1997) 78. Fable 2 79. Fortnite 80. Dark Souls 81. Persona 5 Royal 82. Mortal Kombat 11 83. System Shock 2 84. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 85. Monster Hunter: World 86. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 87. Titanfall 2 88. Inside 89. SimCity 2000 90. Thief II: The Metal Age 91. Animal Crossing: New Horizons 92. Mega Man 3 93. League of Legends 94. Fallout 2 95. Burnout 3: Takedown 96. Monkey Island 2: LeChuck's Revenge 97. Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag 98. Final Fantasy VII 99. Divinity: Original Sin 2 100. Borderlands 2 |
In my opinion, there are a lot of games that should've been on this list. Maybe they don't fit the criteria or whatever, but they are truly some of the best games ever (maybe, just maybe, the criteria should be modified?). Here are some that come to mind: God of War (2018), Super Mario Odyssey, Red Dead Redemption 2, Hades, Celeste, Fallout: New Vegas, Hollow Knight, Metal Gear Solid V, Castlevania: Rondo of Blood, The Binding of Isaac, Divinity: Original Sin 2, Persona 5, Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice, Mega Man X/X2, Doom (2016), Contra III, Donkey Kong Country II, and Gunstar Heroes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InterestedGamer ( talk • contribs) 05:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to know: only the original versions can be considered the best games or their ports as well? If ports also matter, which ones? Thank you. 80.214.159.56 ( talk) 19:33, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
TV Asahi just released the results of a massive poll of the Japanese public, ranking the top 100 games of all time. 50,000 Japanese citizens took part in the poll and the results were announced as part of a 3 hour TV special. With such a large sample size, it seems like a pretty notable source for determining what games are considered to be the best of all time. I'm going to assume that this list still won't count though, because this page only takes into consideration lists *by critics*, so I have to ask, why is this restriction in place? It doesn't appear to make sense within the terms of the page's title. "List of video games considered the best" you would think would take into account the opinions of the general population, to limit consideration to just critics appears like an arbitrary exclusion method. It's not as though the article is titled "List of video games considered the best by critics", though that is in effect what it is, because you cannot presume a minority of critics is a good sample for what is considered the best by the wider population. A poll of 50k people conducted by a major TV network feels pretty appropriate for inclusion. 2A00:23C6:8281:A501:B946:68BF:BC93:547E ( talk) 18:04, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
I would like to know what is the criteria for evaluating or what constitutes as the “greatest” games. To my knowledge, both Fallout: New Vegas and Red Dead Redemption 2 are held in much higher regard (by both gamers and critics, alike) than Fallout 3 and GTA V. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.47.152.77 ( talk) 14:02, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
Not one single game on this list originating from the most popular home computer of all time, the Commodore 64? It was THE "indie game" computer of its time, and the de facto gaming machine in Europe for many years in the 80s and early 90s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jabdah ( talk • contribs) 08:51, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
I’ve seen people add games without the proper citations before, so I must ask; how exactly is this page constantly prone to vandalism? I’m not even allowed to edit the article, so how are strangers able to arbitrarily add games in? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:40, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Scratch that, I completely misinterpreted the lock icon. My mistake. But still, I clicked the real edit button, just to see what happens, and I had full permission to edit. How is it that permission is not more restricted? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 15:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Looking through the omnibus data, I can't help but notice that some of these lists are well...old. In fact, the oldest were created almost 27 years ago, older than most Wikipedia editors. I think it's not unfair to say that these lists are lacking some much needed perspective, given that the games listed are lacking a dimension. I believe that these lists should be removed and replaced with more recent lists, or at the very least given less weight than lists published last year, because at the moment this page has a very clear anti-recency bias in the games selected. For example, 13 of the games listed are from 1993 alone, while 0 are from 2018-2022. 216.154.44.171 ( talk) 03:16, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Why are games being consider the best hard to put here? It’s practically never been updated since BOTW was out here. Kramirez0113 ( talk) 12:03, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
Where tf is Mario Odyssey Kramirez0113 ( talk) 14:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
This topic is very good and underrated. I wish this topic be updated to 2022 Hakimehsasani ( talk) 20:02, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Digitally Downloaded (which is listed under WP:VGRS as reliable) made a list of the "100 canonical games" apparently dated to 2016, but it's clearly a top 100 list. http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-top-100-of-all-time-how-many-have.html for the full list, with write-ups earlier at http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-100-canonical-games-10-1.html , http://www.digitallydownloaded.net/2016/09/the-100-canonical-games-20-11.html , etc. Any objections to including it? SnowFire ( talk) 23:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Digitally Downloaded, 2016
|
---|
1. Nier 2. Persona 4 3. Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc 4. Doom (1993) 5. Minecraft 6. Metal Gear Solid 7. Earthbound 8. Eternal Darkness 9. No Man's Sky 10. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 11. Civilization 2 12. Beyond Good & Evil 13. Chrono Trigger 14. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 15. Super Mario 64 16. Animal Crossing 17. Soulcalibur 2 18. The Sims 19. Catherine 20. Call of Cthulhu: Dark Corners of the Earth 21. Fatal Frame 2 22. Final Fantasy X 23. Journey 24. Life is Strange 25. Mass Effect 2 26. Mega Man 2 27. Dragon Age: Origins 28. Fire Emblem: The Blazing Blade 29. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 30. Samurai Warriors 3 31. Pokemon Red and Blue 32. Simcity 2000 33. Spec Ops: The Line 34. Pac-Man 35. Papers, Please 36. Final Fantasy 6 37. Metroid Prime 38. 1979 Revolution: Black Friday 39. Ori and the Blind Forest 40. Street Fighter 2 41. Bound 42. Yakuza 5 43. American McGee's Alice 44. To the Moon 45. Day of the Tentacle 46. Pokemon Gold and Silver 47. Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE 48. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves 49. Final Fantasy Tactics 50. Double Dragon 51. Magic Carpet 52. Heavy Rain 53. Gauntlet 54. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 55. Half-Life 56. Tetris 57. Kingdom Hearts 58. Little King's Story 59. Garou: Mark of the Wolves 60. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis 61. Pandora's Tower 62. Super Mario Bros. 3 63. Nethack 64. The Elder Scrolls 3: Morrowind 65. Mario Golf: Toadstool Tour 66. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 67. Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door 68. Rhapsody: A Musical Adventure 69. Valkyria Chronicles 70. Mario Kart 64 71. Suikoden 2 72. Shadow of the Colossus 73. Prince of Persia (1989) 74. Rollercoaster Tycoon 2 75. Yoshi's Island 76. Star Wars: TIE Fighter 77. Super International Cricket 78. Steins;Gate 79. Rock Band 80. Road Rash 81. Wild Arms 3 82. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings 83. Super Smash Bros. Melee 84. The Last of Us 85. Warcraft 3: Reign of Chaos 86. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord 87. Tales from the Borderlands 88. The Walking Dead: Season 1 89. The Wolf Among Us 90. WWF No Mercy 91. Baldur's Gate 92. Hatsune Miku: Future Tone 93. King's Field 4 94. Space Invaders 95. Lollipop Chainsaw 96. Xenogears 97. Europa Universalis 4 98. Goldeneye (1997) 99. Dark Sun: Wake of the Ravager 100. Gregory Horror Show |
Will incorporate this into the main page shortly. The new additions will be Eternal Darkness, Pokemon Gold and Silver, Heavy Rain, Suikoden II, and Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos. Phediuk ( talk) 18:18, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I read through WP:VGRS , and Easy Allies is an reliable source. I searched, and found https://forums.easyallies.com/topic/4820/allies-what-are-your-top-10-games-of-all-time-name-one-game-per-franchise. Although I’m curious if this list meets the criteria for inclusion as a source for THIS page, because the very title of it says “One game per franchise.” Is this too exclusive of a source? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:52, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
If so, I found a second one, which is also listed under WP:VGRS as reliable: https://www.gamerevolution.com/features/1995-the-greatest-games-of-alltime. Of course, is this source also acceptable for this particular article? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:55, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
You know what, I found a third article that I’d like checked. It’s not on WP:VGRS, similarly to Tony Mott’s “1000 Video Games You Must Play Before You Die” book, but even if it were, I am unsure if this one from PBS should be included, as it claims to have asked “some notable gamers (some of which are big names in video game history) to share their lists of hits and bombs.” BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
It seems odd to me that only the games' publishers are listed, and not their original developers, despite the developers doing the main heavy-lifting for the creative process of each game. How would everyone feel about adding another column to list the original developers of each game (i.e. Remedy Entertainment for Max Payne, HAL Laboratory for Super Smash Bros. Melee, PlatinumGames for Bayonetta, Turtle Rock Studios for Left 4 Dead, etc.)
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 07:16, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
This is not a list I want added, but I’m perplexed. Do I credit this as going to Guinness Book of World Records, or Eurogamer?
On the one hand, it’s from Eurogamer’s own website.
On the other hand, it says the list if from Guinness.
The article also says “The list was decided on by ‘a crack team of industry experts’ and some girl called Ellie.” Ellie being the author of the very article.
It’s nit my interest that this list be added, I just want to know who this lost gets credited to, and at the very least if it is one more source to add to the trash barrel. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 12:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I found a Gematsu list from 2021. Even though it says here, WP:VGRS that Gematsu is reliable, having learned from past experiences, I’d like some feedback about it. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:10, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
I also found this. Howchoo is not declared reliable by WP:VGRS like Gematsu, but because the article is written by the word of the author, I’m curious if it’s possible for inclusion. BlueBlurHog ( talk) 02:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
videogamer.com is also declared a reliable source by WP:VGRS, and it just so happens to have a best games of all time list. Although, I can’t seem to find the publication date. Could somebody look at this in case I overlooked something? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 03:17, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Like seriously, the fact that there is not even a single game from past 5 years proves newer publications and magazines needs to be added in consideration. Games like red dead redemption 2, Fallout New Vegas, God of war, hades, disco Elysium and many other games deserve this spot , more than many old and forgotten games mentioned in this list. Shank19112000 ( talk) 19:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Elden Ring (2022) is one of the best reviewed games of all time by now. I believe it's time that it is included on this list. Thank you 190.237.54.50 ( talk) 16:12, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
I feel like these games should be on here, ngl. Kramirez0113 ( talk) 05:02, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
I found a GamesTM Top 200 list from 2018 that seems to meet the inclusion criteria. I can post the rankings if it's eligible.
https://www.gamesradar.com/gamestm-200-is-here-the-200-greatest-games-of-all-time-revealed/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnnecessarySuggestions ( talk • contribs) 17:10, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
Games TM 2018
|
---|
|
BenSPVE ( talk) 23:30, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
I didn't expect such a quick response. It seems like everyone else has this covered, but I also have access to the magazine if anything more is needed. UnnecessarySuggestions ( talk) 16:37, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
I find the cutoff at 6 mentions quite arbitrary. Wouldn't it make more sense to record for each game the percentage of lists that it appears on, and to let the list be sorted by that metric? Since lists are differently long, I would compute a separate metric for "percentage of top-100 lists". (To save some work, this needn't be expressed as a percentage either, but could just be the absolute number of mentions so long as the number of lists included is clearly stated. The data is there already, in the reference column, but that can't be used to sort or select on...) Better yet, one might correct for the age of a game by displaying the percentage of lists *since its release* that it appeared on. (That would have to be a percentage or an "X of Y" though since the number of lists considered would vary between games...) 2A02:8109:B640:1518:E958:B8F2:2110:5BC0 ( talk) 07:44, 17 March 2022 (UTC)
I've perused the four older Edge lists (2000, 2003, 2007, 2009) to see if any of them are usable. The 2003 list is just a bunch of top 10s for different genres; the 2007 list uses reader votes; and the 2009 list seems to treat "Best Games to Play Today" as a different thing from "best of all time" in its preamble. So, no to all of those. However, the 2000 list from issue #80, titled "The 100 Best Games of All Time", meets all criteria: best games ever, staff-chosen, no platform/genre restrictions, and, being Edge, RS. Segaretro has conveniently preserved the issue here; the list starts on page 52.
Edge 2000
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Super Mario 64 3. Goldeneye (1997) 4. Tetris 5. Gran Turismo 6. Quake II 7. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 8. Street Fighter II 9. Half-Life 10. Super Mario World 11. Pokemon Red and Blue 12. Civilization II 13. Final Fantasy VII 14. Super Metroid 15. Puyo Puyo 16. Metal Gear Solid 17. Super Bomberman 18. Super Mario Kart 19. Tekken 3 20. Tomb Raider (1996) 21. Total Annihilation 22. Grand Prix 2 23. X-COM: Terror from the Deep 24. Final Fantasy Tactics 25. Nights into Dreams 26. Simcity 2000 27. Anna Kournikova’s Smash Court Tennis 28. Tempest 2000 29. Starcraft 30. Soul Calibur 31. ISS Pro Evolution 32. Resident Evil (1996) 33. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 34. International Track & Field 35. Pilotwings 64 36. Colin McRae Rally 37. Bust-a-Move 2 38. Doom II 39. Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter 40. Hidden & Dangerous 41. 1080 Snowboarding 42. Secret of Mana 43. Sega Rally Championship 44. Star Fox 64 45. Wave Race 64 46. R4: Ridge Racer Type 4 47. Ultima Online 48. The Secret of Monkey Island 49. Robotron 2084 50. R-Type 51. Sonic Adventure 52. Bubble Bobble 53. Outrun 54. Stunt Car Racer 55. Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 56. Micro Machines 2: Turbo Tournament 57. Death Tank 58. Daytona USA 59. Sensible Soccer 60. Sonic the Hedgehog 61. Virtua Fighter 2 62. The Need For Speed 63. Elite 64. Defender 65. Head Over Heels 66. Super Sprint 67. Mercenary 68. The Sentinel 69. Exile (1988) 70. Grand Theft Auto 71. Shinobi (1987) 72. Contra III: The Alien Wars 73. Rampart 74. Pac-Man 75. Galaga 76. Bomb Jack 77. Return Fire 78. Chu Chu Rocket 79. Gauntlet II 80. NHL ’98 81. Marble Madness 82. Populous II 83. Super Pang 84. Thrust 85. Legend of the Mystical Ninja 86. Xenogears 87. Gradius 88. Lemmings 89. Asteroids 90. Paradroid 91. Boulder Dash 2 92. Wipeout 93. Strider (arcade) 94. NBA Jam 95. Syndicate (1993) 96. Phantasy Star III: Generations of Doom 97. Choplifter 98. Time Crisis 99. Solomon’s Key 100. Super Punch-Out!! |
I'll go ahead and add this, if there are no objections. As a result of this list's incorporation, Total Annihilation will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 05:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
It seems like Popular Mechanics may have updated their list of "The 100 Greatest Video Games of All Time", since apparently this list was published eight days ago according to the website. I may be mistaken here and this may be an older list that they decided to repost, but I'll leave it here in case if it's actually an updated version.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/gaming/g134/the-100-greatest-video-games-of-all-time/
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 22:08, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
So I found EGM's Top 100 list from 1997, and while it fits Wikipedia's criteria for selection (no input from readers, no limiting to one genre, etc.), there are still some oddities with the list, such as listing games twice due to them counting each version of a game as its own game (such as Mega Man X4's Saturn and PlayStation versions being listed separately rather than together). That being said, I'm gonna leave it here and see if it can be implemented into the list.
https://kirk.is/vgames/powerlist/egm100.html
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:33, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
I stumbled upon this index that has collected around 66 "greatest video game" lists. Some of these lists in question are already integrated into the main page, but I'm gonna leave this here in case if there's one or two lists from this index that aren't present and meet Wikipedia's standards.
https://www.videogamecanon.com/lists/
-- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 00:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
GamingBolt has released a new list of the top 30 games of all time. Source: https://gamingbolt.com/top-30-video-games-of-all-time -- Wrath X ( talk) 11:12, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
GamingBolt, 2022
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2. Red Dead Redemption II 3. God of War (2018) 4. Half-Life 2 5. Elden Ring 6. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt 7. Bloodborne 8. Grand Theft Auto V 9. Super Mario Odyssey 10. Resident Evil 2 (2019) 11. Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty 12. The Last of Us 13. Persona 5 Royal 14. Hollow Knight 15. Hades 16. Horizon Forbidden West 17. Forza Horizon 5 18. Ori and the Will of the Wisps 19. Undertale 20. Silent Hill 2 21. Halo 3 22. Control 23. Portal 2 24. The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim 25. Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec 26. Batman: Arkham City 27. Mass Effect 2 28. Shadow of the Colossus 29. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory 30. Burnout 3: Takedown |
Once this list is incorporated, Undertale will be added to the main list. Will do so shortly. Phediuk ( talk) 02:21, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
I think God of War 2018 and RDR2 both now qualify for the list too, right?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Charizard777 ( talk • contribs) 23:21, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Found a Game Informer list published all the way back in 2001. The only Game Informer lists used so far are from 2009 and 2018, and like with those lists, this was made to commemorate a milestone issue (in this case, being their 100th issue) and seemingly fits the criteria for this page (editor selected, reputable outlet, etc.)
Game Informer, 2001
|
---|
1. The Legend of Zelda 2. Super Mario Bros. 3. Tetris 4. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 5. Doom (1993) 6. Metroid 7. Final Fantasy VI 8. Super Mario Bros. 3 9. Ms. Pac-Man 10. Final Fantasy VII 11. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 12. Super Mario 64 13. Contra 14. Mike Tyson's Punch-Out 15. Chrono Trigger 16. Goldeneye 007 17. Metal Gear Solid 18. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 19. Galaga 20. NHLPA Hockey 93 21. Gran Turismo 22. Street Fighter II 23. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 24. Sonic the Hedgehog 25. Warlords 26. Crash Bandicoot: Warped 27. Madden NFL 2001 28. Command & Conquer 29. Super Metroid 30. Super Mario Bros. 2 31. SimCity 32. Mega Man 2 33. EverQuest 34. Resident Evil 2 35. Super Mario Kart 36. Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 37. Dragon Warrior 38. Tecmo Bowl 39. Pokemon Blue / Red / Yellow 40. Final Fantasy IV 41. Pitfall! 42. Star Wars: X-Wing 43. Final Fantasy IX 44. Excitebike 45. Final Fantasy Tactics 46. Super Mario World 47. Adventure 48. Castlevania 49. Counter-Strike 50. Virtua Tennis 51. Ridge Racer 52. Lode Runner 53. Metal Gear 54. Tenchu: Stealth Assassins 55. Chrono Cross 56. Tempest 2000 57. Arkanoid 58. The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening 59. Tekken 2 60. Donkey Kong 61. Sonic the Hedgehog 2 62. Civilization 63. Baseball Stars 64. Gauntlet 65. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest 66. Bionic Commando 67. Ghouls N Ghosts 68. The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 69. Resident Evil Code: Veronica 70. Zork 71. Banjo-Kazooie 72. Robotron 2048 73. Twisted Metal 2 74. Soulcalibur 75. Double Dragon 76. Dr. Mario 77. Secret of Mana 78. Panzer Dragoon Saga 79. Pro Wrestling 80. The Sims 81. Age of Empires 82. Suikoden 83. Kid Icarus 84. RC Pro-Am 85. NFL 2K1 86. Tomb Raider (1996) 87. Hot Shots Golf 88. Road Rash 89. Baldur's Gate II: Shadows of Amn 90. Super Bomberman 91. Mario's Picross 92. Cool Boarders 2 93. Ninja Gaiden 94. Phantasy Star 95. NBA 2K1 96. Tetris Attack/Panel de Pon 97. Mortal Kombat II 98. Starcraft 99. House of the Dead 2 100. Ape Escape |
Doesn't seem like any new entries will be added with the addition of this list, but I say integrate it anyways. -- Anonymouseditor2k19 ( talk) 06:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
Regarding the Top 20 entries of GamesRadar's 2021 list. According to the article, they "were shortlisted by a panel of industry experts and luminaries, and voted on by the viewers of the Golden Joystick Awards". To me, this means that the top 20's inclusion in the list was decided by industry experts/luminaries, with their rankings decided by viewers. The top 20 should thus be taken into account here albeit unranked. This article explains the selection of the top 20 in greater detail. What do others think of this? -- Wrath X ( talk) 05:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Somebody claims that this is EGM’s 1997 list. But is EGM an accepted source for this article? I don’t remember if it’s been brought up before, though I have a shaky feeling it has. Someone let me know? BlueBlurHog ( talk) 01:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Following the full inclusion of the GamesRadar 2021 list, I think we should probably incorporate this list, too. Similarly to the GR list, it was chosen by the GameSpy staff with solicited input from industry experts (ie., journalists and developers.) Since there were no objections to such an arrangement with the GR list, I believe GameSpy's is also suitable for inclusion. It meets all other criteria as well: no platform/genre/era restrictions, clearly noted as "our list of gaming's best", and reliable source.
GameSpy, 2001
|
---|
1. Doom (1993) 2. Half-Life 3. Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness 4. Civilization 5. Quake 6. Diablo 7. Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar 8. Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss 9. Starcraft 10. The Legend of Zelda 11. Super Mario 64 12. System Shock 2 13. Duke Nukem 3D 14. Age of Empires 15. Everquest 16. Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings 17. The Bard’s Tale 18. Deus Ex 19. Tetris 20. Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 21. Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord 22. Civilization II 23. Final Fantasy VI 24. System Shock 25. M.U.L.E. 26. Star Control II 27. Asheron’s Call 28. The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past 29. Counter-Strike 30. Street Fighter II 31. Command & Conquer 32. Metal Gear Solid 33. Simcity (1989) 34. Wing Commander 35. X-COM: UFO Defense 36. Baldur’s Gate 37. Baldur’s Gate II: Shadows of Amn 38. Goldeneye (1997) 39. Zork 40. Thief: The Dark Project 41. Ultima III: Exodus 42. Ultima V: Warriors of Destiny 43. The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 44. Marathon 45. Planescape: Torment 46. Super Metroid 47. Quake II 48. Ultima Online 49. Empire: Wargame of the Century 50. Total Annihilation |
If there are no objections, I will incorporate this shortly. M.U.L.E. will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 05:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Hyper has published several top games lists over the years, which I will summarize here; all issues may be perused in this archive (thank you to user TarkusAB for bringing this collection to my attention.) We have already incorporated their 1995 list. As for the rest, here goes: there's a top 50 in issue 84 (2000) that's really a "best games of the generation" list, a top 100 in issue 100 (2002) that's actually 10 different top 10s, a top 100 in issue 113 (2003) that's a reader poll, a top 50 list in issue 144 (2005) that seemingly-deliberately does not actually state that it's a list of the best games (basically every staff member contributes a game they wanted to talk about for whatever reason), a "101 Games You Must Play" list in issue 260 (2015) that explicitly says it's not a best games list, and a "200 Games You Must Play" in issue 269 (2018) that does not clearly state it's a best games list either. However, I believe the issues from issue 50 (1997) and issue 73 (1999) are acceptable for inclusion; they're a reliable source, staff-chosen, clearly about the best games, and are not subject to any platform/genre/era restrictions. Therefore, I see no reason not to include them here. The 1997 list, which is unranked, is titled "The 50 Best Games Ever!" on the cover and "The 50 Most Shit Hot Games Ever" in the issue itself; I hope no one minds if I cite it under the less-vulgar title. The 1999 list, which is ranked, is about naming the "greatest experience in gaming" according to the preamble, and is just called "The Top 50 Games of All Time!"
Hyper, 1997
|
---|
Quake Doom (1993) Wipeout (series) Ultima (series) Final Fantasy (series) Diablo Virtua Fighter (series) Street Fighter (series) Tekken (series) Barbarian Gauntlet (series) Samurai Shodown (series) International Superstar Soccer (series) Prince of Persia (series) Bomberman (series) Virtual-On Command & Conquer Warcraft (series) Another World / Flashback (dual entry) Virtua Cop 1&2 (dual entry) Dark Reign Tobal 1&2 (dual entry) Nights into Dreams The Legend of Zelda (series) Star Wars: X-Wing / TIE Fighter (series) Donkey Kong (series) Shadowrun (SNES) Metroid (series) Castlevania (series) Tomb Raider (1996) Monkey Island (series) Simcity (series) Super Mario 64 Descent Pitfall (series) Spy vs. Spy Ghosts 'n Goblins Tetris Daytona USA NBA Jam (series) Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee Civilization (series) Mario Kart 64 Elite Sega Rally Championship Time Crisis Sonic the Hedgehog (series) Way of the Exploding Fist Lemmings The Elder Scrolls (series) |
Hyper, 1999
|
---|
1. Quake (series) 2. Mario (series) 3. The Legend of Zelda (series) 4. Doom (1993) 5. Wipeout (series) 6. Street Fighter II 7. Warcraft (series) 8. Sonic the Hedgehog (series) 9. Civilization 10. Ultima (series) 11. Tetris 12. Mario Kart (series) 13. Goldeneye (1997) 14. Diablo 15. Virtua Fighter (series) 16. Sam & Max Hit the Road 17. Elite 18. Final Fantasy (series) 19. Gran Turismo 20. Tekken (series) 21. Metal Gear Solid 22. Gauntlet (series) 23. Command & Conquer (series) 24. Tomb Raider (series) 25. Lemmings 26. Pac-Man 27. Simcity (series) 28. Ghosts 'n Goblins 29. Prince of Persia (series) 30. Half-Life 31. Breakout 32. Sega Rally (series) 33. Resident Evil (series) 34. Baldur's Gate 35. Star Wars: X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter (series) 36. Grand Prix Legends 37. Unreal 38. Metroid (series) 39. Galaga 40. Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 41. Soul Blade (series) 42. Zork (series) 43. Double Dragon (series) 44. Descent (series) 45. Defender 46. Final Fight 47. Bust-a-Move (series) 48. Raiden (series) 49. FIFA (series) 50. X-COM (series) |
Due to the high number of "series" and dual entries (which are not counted), there isn't that much to add, but there will still be two more games added to the main list once these are incorporated: Mario Kart 64 and Baldur's Gate. Will add them shortly. Phediuk ( talk) 19:53, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
We already have Esquire's 2020 list on here, but they also did another top 20 in 2018, titled "The (Real) Greatest Video Games Of All-Time". It meets all criteria: reliable source, editor-chosen, clearly about greatest games, and no platform/genre/era restrictions. So, if there are no objections, I'll incorporate it. The list is not ranked. Here's the transcription:
Esquire, 2018
|
---|
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers Battlefield 1942 Mario Kart 8 Pro Evolution Soccer 6 Tetris Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Theme Hospital Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 Snake (mobile) Broken Sword: Shadow of the Templars Pokemon Crystal Super Mario 64 Goldeneye (1997) Batman: Arkham City The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Portal Metal Gear Solid The Secret of Monkey Island Pokemon Go Final Fantasy VII |
Battlefield 1942 will be added to the main list. Phediuk ( talk) 06:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC)