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There is a page /info/en/?search=List_of_dystopian_literature
I'd like to see the page /info/en/?search=List_of_utopian_literature for a complete list.
There is already a small list on /info/en/?search=Utopia.
-- Zarsoft ( talk) 22:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
There is already a list on /info/en/?search=Utopia But don't just copy all entries - just the related to pleasant societies.
lquilter said: "I would suggest rewriting the list on Utopia to be two sentences long, mentioning Thomas More and one or two other works, and then linking to this separate list. --lquilter 15:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)"
-- Zarsoft ( talk) 16:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
-- Rhododendrites ( talk) 23:38, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
It seems like the inclusion criteria we've been working with is that either the book or its author must have an article on Wikipedia. It furthermore should include a citation -- especially if the book itself doesn't have an article -- explaining its fitness for inclusion here. Thoughts? --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
So I'm proposing to merge
List of Utopian novels into this article. Note that there's also no
List of dystopian novels and that the article seems to be entirely redundant.
I'd also suggest to adopt a table for the entries as in the other article.
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Fixuture (
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16:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Rhododendrites: you've added quite a lot of novels recently and I doubt that all of them are truly Utopian. I haven't read many of those so I can't say for sure but many seem off and I'm sure that Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe added here is not Utopian.
-- Fixuture ( talk) 15:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
After he became self-sufficient, Crusoe strove for civilization and utopia. As he returned to nature, Crusoe realized that some items like human company and cooking pans had great value while items like money and excessive food had no value. Eventually because of his advances in civilization, he was able to save a native man he named Friday and other unlucky Europeans from execution. Finally, Crusoe created a small community around his governorship of the island. ... Manuel argued that Crusoe's adventure symbolizes that by avoiding corruptions of society, mankind confronts a harsh return to nature and thereby returns to utopia.
One entry that strikes me as rather odd is Gulliver's Travels (1726). None of the fictional countries depicted in the novel is either perfect or a role model for society.:
Which part of any of this is utopian again? Dimadick ( talk) 10:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Where do the 17th-century dates for Gargantua and Pantagruel come from? According to the relevant article, the work actually consists of five novels: The Horrible and Terrifying Deeds and Words of the Very Renowned Pantagruel King of the Dipsodes, Son of the Great Giant Gargantua (c. 1532), The Very Horrific Life of Great Gargantua, Father of Pantagruel (1534), The Third Book of the Heroic Deeds and Sayings of Good Pantagruel (1546), The Fourth Book of the Heroic Deeds and Sayings of Good Pantagruel (1552), and The Fifth and Last Book of the Heroic Deeds and Sayings of Good Pantagruel (c. 1564). Series author François Rabelais actually died in 1553, and the last volume was published posthumously. Dimadick ( talk) 08:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
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There is a page /info/en/?search=List_of_dystopian_literature
I'd like to see the page /info/en/?search=List_of_utopian_literature for a complete list.
There is already a small list on /info/en/?search=Utopia.
-- Zarsoft ( talk) 22:32, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
There is already a list on /info/en/?search=Utopia But don't just copy all entries - just the related to pleasant societies.
lquilter said: "I would suggest rewriting the list on Utopia to be two sentences long, mentioning Thomas More and one or two other works, and then linking to this separate list. --lquilter 15:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)"
-- Zarsoft ( talk) 16:14, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
-- Rhododendrites ( talk) 23:38, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
It seems like the inclusion criteria we've been working with is that either the book or its author must have an article on Wikipedia. It furthermore should include a citation -- especially if the book itself doesn't have an article -- explaining its fitness for inclusion here. Thoughts? --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
So I'm proposing to merge
List of Utopian novels into this article. Note that there's also no
List of dystopian novels and that the article seems to be entirely redundant.
I'd also suggest to adopt a table for the entries as in the other article.
--
Fixuture (
talk)
16:13, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
@ Rhododendrites: you've added quite a lot of novels recently and I doubt that all of them are truly Utopian. I haven't read many of those so I can't say for sure but many seem off and I'm sure that Robinson Crusoe by Daniel Defoe added here is not Utopian.
-- Fixuture ( talk) 15:03, 3 December 2016 (UTC)
After he became self-sufficient, Crusoe strove for civilization and utopia. As he returned to nature, Crusoe realized that some items like human company and cooking pans had great value while items like money and excessive food had no value. Eventually because of his advances in civilization, he was able to save a native man he named Friday and other unlucky Europeans from execution. Finally, Crusoe created a small community around his governorship of the island. ... Manuel argued that Crusoe's adventure symbolizes that by avoiding corruptions of society, mankind confronts a harsh return to nature and thereby returns to utopia.
One entry that strikes me as rather odd is Gulliver's Travels (1726). None of the fictional countries depicted in the novel is either perfect or a role model for society.:
Which part of any of this is utopian again? Dimadick ( talk) 10:09, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
Where do the 17th-century dates for Gargantua and Pantagruel come from? According to the relevant article, the work actually consists of five novels: The Horrible and Terrifying Deeds and Words of the Very Renowned Pantagruel King of the Dipsodes, Son of the Great Giant Gargantua (c. 1532), The Very Horrific Life of Great Gargantua, Father of Pantagruel (1534), The Third Book of the Heroic Deeds and Sayings of Good Pantagruel (1546), The Fourth Book of the Heroic Deeds and Sayings of Good Pantagruel (1552), and The Fifth and Last Book of the Heroic Deeds and Sayings of Good Pantagruel (c. 1564). Series author François Rabelais actually died in 1553, and the last volume was published posthumously. Dimadick ( talk) 08:37, 6 December 2016 (UTC)