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With the new census figures released, I think this page could do with an update. I would also suggest that this time around, to avoid any ambiguity, that only the population of the towns are included, rather than an arbitrarily adding 'environs'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.216.27 ( talk) 13:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Is is just me or is Rathkeale, Co.Limerick missing from this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adro947 ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
This does not match the Census/CSO web page - Feargal Timon - limerick is closer to 57000 — Preceding
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a new column on the right of this table and insert the 2006 census figures as they become available. This might avoid the reverts and inaccurate edits to the 2002 figures that have crept into this page. ww2censor 16:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Where does Tallaght fit into all this? It's surprising that the Central Statistics Office includes it with Dublin and environs, considering its size, when Swords, on the other hand, is considered seperately. Ga2re2t ( talk) 15:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Why is the county town of South Dublin County conspiciously absent? The population from the last 3 censuses would put Tallaght's population at around the size of Limerick. The above explanation poses hypothetical concepts and fails to address reality. Tallaght is one of the largest urban areas in the state and has a vast rural hinterland, satellite villages and suburban areas. It has been a county town since 1994 so after 24 years deserves some recognition. Jcully ( talk) 20:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I think towns in Fingal should be listed as being in County Dublin for the following reasons.
Arguments for the change:-
FreeT ( talk) 03:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that the 2002 figures are now — 8 years later — irrelevant. I therefore suggest two things:
This would achieve both removing irrelevant information, and allowing one to rank towns according to population increases, which is now currently impossible. ConorBrady .ie (caint) 19:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
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When a town is givin two (or 3) figures for population, namely rural, urban and environs, do you add them up or do you just take the Town figure? Some of the towns on this list contain both figures, and some just the town figure, so essentially the town will cause confusion until one is deceided. ShaneMc2010 12:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
This edit seems to have added Castlebar at the expense of Tralee, with several digits of the population number being identical. That doesn't seem right, or is it? 31.18.249.107 ( talk) 22:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Why is balbriggan even here!? All suburbs of the cities should be excluded from the list to give a more clear and accurate representation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brancott ( talk • contribs) 00:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be no source for this, and it seems wrong both historically and administratively. Perhaps this refers to D. being the administrative centre of the "Waterford County" council area -- but that's now been merged back with the City, and it's the city that's the new admin centre. 79.97.71.180 ( talk) 18:43, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I suggest we clarify that we're using the green highlighting for present administrative centre, rather than for historic (or ad hoc described) "county towns". That avoids having to wonder what Dublin is the "county town" of in any sense that Waterford isn't, for example. Thus Co. Waterford will have two such, which is what's sourceable. We can further clarify this by adding footnotes for the non-trad council areas, and so on. 79.97.71.180 ( talk) 22:36, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
A very similar issue to the above seems to arise with regard to County Tipperary, Nenagh, and Clonmel. The article on each of these towns claims it to be the "county town". Other articles list both, or just Nenagh. None give sources. The merged council, much as with Waterford, lists administrative offices in both locations, and appears to be holding council meetings in both, too. This is an almighty mess. 79.97.71.180 ( talk) 17:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that Ballincollig Co. Cork has been excluded from the list. The urban area is not included in Cork City's population and has itself a population of 17,368 bringing it within the remit of this list. Surely Ballincollig therefore should be included in this list ? ManfromDelmonte ( talk) 11:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. In a recent series of edits, an "additional table" was added to the article (including the county towns which were felt to be 'missing' from the main table). While I didn't initially have concerns with this in principle, the numbers added were not sourced.
In seeking to validate the numbers for Lifford and Carrick, I checked the Census 2016 SAPMAP database, and found and corrected the numbers for both of these locations.
I could not however easily find or verify numbers for Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire. Hence the {{fact}} tags added. Since then, I have had a look to see where the numbers (seemingly taken from the Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire) were originally sourced.
On Tallaght, looking at the "notes" in the references for that article, it seems that, to arrive at the "76,119" number, someone searched the E2013 (population by Electoral Division) database for every ED that started with "Tallaght". While, using this method, I found the same result (below), this seems more than a little like OR/SYNTH. As the resulting area is quite large. Spreading as it does as far east as the Walkinstown roundabout. (Counting, for example, the residents of Greenhills/Walkinstown as if they are residents of the "town" of Tallaght seems a little bit of a stretch to me). Personally I wonder if we should be using this number here (or indeed in the Tallaght article). At least without some kind of qualification.
"Population Density and Area Size 2011 to 2016 by Electoral Division, Census Year and Statistical indicator" [9] | ||
---|---|---|
(EDs starting with "Tallaght") | ||
Population - 2011 (Number) | Population - 2016 (Number) | |
028 Tallaght-Avonbeg, South Dublin | 1,613 | 1,538 |
029 Tallaght-Belgard, South Dublin | 1,694 | 1,692 |
030 Tallaght-Fettercairn, South Dublin | 7,607 | 8,380 |
031 Tallaght-Glenview, South Dublin | 1,723 | 1,934 |
032 Tallaght-Jobstown, South Dublin | 16,630 | 17,824 |
033 Tallaght-Killinardan, South Dublin | 3,915 | 3,958 |
034 Tallaght-Kilnamanagh, South Dublin | 4,452 | 4,386 |
035 Tallaght-Kiltipper, South Dublin | 8,068 | 8,478 |
036 Tallaght-Kingswood, South Dublin | 3,974 | 3,996 |
037 Tallaght-Millbrook, South Dublin | 3,290 | 3,386 |
038 Tallaght-Oldbawn, South Dublin | 4,527 | 4,579 |
039 Tallaght-Springfield, South Dublin | 9,123 | 11,012 |
040 Tallaght-Tymon, South Dublin | 4,888 | 4,956 |
71,504 | 76,119 |
On Dún Laoghaire, I could find absolutely nothing that supported the 38,761 number. Using the same method as above, I searched the the E2013 (population by Electoral Division) database for every ED that started with "Dún Laoghaire". However, as below, even with this method (which drags in places as far south as Sallynoggin/Kill o' the Grange), the result is still 12,000 shy of the unreferenced number in the article.
"Population Density and Area Size 2011 to 2016 by Electoral Division, Census Year and Statistical indicator" [10] | ||
---|---|---|
(EDs starting with "Dún Laoghaire") | ||
Population - 2011 (Number) | Population - 2016 (Number) | |
042 Dún Laoghaire-East Central, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,234 | 2,489 |
043 Dún Laoghaire-Glasthule, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,760 | 2,807 |
044 Dún Laoghaire-Glenageary, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,922 | 1,929 |
045 Dún Laoghaire-Monkstown Farm, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,095 | 2,225 |
046 Dún Laoghaire-Mount Town, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,734 | 1,779 |
047 Dún Laoghaire-Sallynoggin East, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,866 | 2,860 |
048 Dún Laoghaire-Sallynoggin South, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,354 | 1,441 |
049 Dún Laoghaire-Sallynoggin West, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,884 | 2,886 |
050 Dún Laoghaire-Sandycove, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 3,690 | 3,690 |
051 Dún Laoghaire-Salthill, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,623 | 1,729 |
052 Dún Laoghaire-West Central, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,368 | 2,690 |
24,530 | 26,525 |
In any event, I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts on whether or what to include in this "List" article. For Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire. (Or whether we should remove the "additional table" entirely - as based largely on SYNTH.) And, be extension, what anyone thinks about the numbers in the Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire articles themselves. Cheers. Guliolopez ( talk) 23:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
ConorBrady .ie (caint) 09:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
This list can be updated now with today's release of the 2022 census results regarding City and Town population figures, available at [11] https://data.cso.ie/ on table F1015 23stat23stat ( talk) 14:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi. While the recent scope extensions (from the 100 most populous areas/census towns, to 150, to 200, to 250) are all great, I wonder if we should stop there. While I appreciate that nobody is proposing or hinting at further additions, IMO we should stop at 250. With Kilpedder. Which, until relatively recently, had a population of 400 odd and is still, perhaps, best described as a village. (If we go further, we may start to stretch the definition of an "urban area". Like those places in the States that are "cities" in an academic "name only" kinda way). Otherwise, if we are to "keep going", what's our cutoff/scope? Guliolopez ( talk) 19:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)
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With the new census figures released, I think this page could do with an update. I would also suggest that this time around, to avoid any ambiguity, that only the population of the towns are included, rather than an arbitrarily adding 'environs'. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.216.27 ( talk) 13:34, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Is is just me or is Rathkeale, Co.Limerick missing from this list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adro947 ( talk • contribs) 19:10, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
This does not match the Census/CSO web page - Feargal Timon - limerick is closer to 57000 — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
86.46.38.227 (
talk) 16:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be a good idea to create a new column on the right of this table and insert the 2006 census figures as they become available. This might avoid the reverts and inaccurate edits to the 2002 figures that have crept into this page. ww2censor 16:27, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
Where does Tallaght fit into all this? It's surprising that the Central Statistics Office includes it with Dublin and environs, considering its size, when Swords, on the other hand, is considered seperately. Ga2re2t ( talk) 15:59, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
Why is the county town of South Dublin County conspiciously absent? The population from the last 3 censuses would put Tallaght's population at around the size of Limerick. The above explanation poses hypothetical concepts and fails to address reality. Tallaght is one of the largest urban areas in the state and has a vast rural hinterland, satellite villages and suburban areas. It has been a county town since 1994 so after 24 years deserves some recognition. Jcully ( talk) 20:58, 30 December 2017 (UTC)
I think towns in Fingal should be listed as being in County Dublin for the following reasons.
Arguments for the change:-
FreeT ( talk) 03:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that the 2002 figures are now — 8 years later — irrelevant. I therefore suggest two things:
This would achieve both removing irrelevant information, and allowing one to rank towns according to population increases, which is now currently impossible. ConorBrady .ie (caint) 19:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
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When a town is givin two (or 3) figures for population, namely rural, urban and environs, do you add them up or do you just take the Town figure? Some of the towns on this list contain both figures, and some just the town figure, so essentially the town will cause confusion until one is deceided. ShaneMc2010 12:31, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
This edit seems to have added Castlebar at the expense of Tralee, with several digits of the population number being identical. That doesn't seem right, or is it? 31.18.249.107 ( talk) 22:45, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Why is balbriggan even here!? All suburbs of the cities should be excluded from the list to give a more clear and accurate representation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brancott ( talk • contribs) 00:34, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
There seems to be no source for this, and it seems wrong both historically and administratively. Perhaps this refers to D. being the administrative centre of the "Waterford County" council area -- but that's now been merged back with the City, and it's the city that's the new admin centre. 79.97.71.180 ( talk) 18:43, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I suggest we clarify that we're using the green highlighting for present administrative centre, rather than for historic (or ad hoc described) "county towns". That avoids having to wonder what Dublin is the "county town" of in any sense that Waterford isn't, for example. Thus Co. Waterford will have two such, which is what's sourceable. We can further clarify this by adding footnotes for the non-trad council areas, and so on. 79.97.71.180 ( talk) 22:36, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
A very similar issue to the above seems to arise with regard to County Tipperary, Nenagh, and Clonmel. The article on each of these towns claims it to be the "county town". Other articles list both, or just Nenagh. None give sources. The merged council, much as with Waterford, lists administrative offices in both locations, and appears to be holding council meetings in both, too. This is an almighty mess. 79.97.71.180 ( talk) 17:33, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
I see that Ballincollig Co. Cork has been excluded from the list. The urban area is not included in Cork City's population and has itself a population of 17,368 bringing it within the remit of this list. Surely Ballincollig therefore should be included in this list ? ManfromDelmonte ( talk) 11:43, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
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Hi. In a recent series of edits, an "additional table" was added to the article (including the county towns which were felt to be 'missing' from the main table). While I didn't initially have concerns with this in principle, the numbers added were not sourced.
In seeking to validate the numbers for Lifford and Carrick, I checked the Census 2016 SAPMAP database, and found and corrected the numbers for both of these locations.
I could not however easily find or verify numbers for Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire. Hence the {{fact}} tags added. Since then, I have had a look to see where the numbers (seemingly taken from the Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire) were originally sourced.
On Tallaght, looking at the "notes" in the references for that article, it seems that, to arrive at the "76,119" number, someone searched the E2013 (population by Electoral Division) database for every ED that started with "Tallaght". While, using this method, I found the same result (below), this seems more than a little like OR/SYNTH. As the resulting area is quite large. Spreading as it does as far east as the Walkinstown roundabout. (Counting, for example, the residents of Greenhills/Walkinstown as if they are residents of the "town" of Tallaght seems a little bit of a stretch to me). Personally I wonder if we should be using this number here (or indeed in the Tallaght article). At least without some kind of qualification.
"Population Density and Area Size 2011 to 2016 by Electoral Division, Census Year and Statistical indicator" [9] | ||
---|---|---|
(EDs starting with "Tallaght") | ||
Population - 2011 (Number) | Population - 2016 (Number) | |
028 Tallaght-Avonbeg, South Dublin | 1,613 | 1,538 |
029 Tallaght-Belgard, South Dublin | 1,694 | 1,692 |
030 Tallaght-Fettercairn, South Dublin | 7,607 | 8,380 |
031 Tallaght-Glenview, South Dublin | 1,723 | 1,934 |
032 Tallaght-Jobstown, South Dublin | 16,630 | 17,824 |
033 Tallaght-Killinardan, South Dublin | 3,915 | 3,958 |
034 Tallaght-Kilnamanagh, South Dublin | 4,452 | 4,386 |
035 Tallaght-Kiltipper, South Dublin | 8,068 | 8,478 |
036 Tallaght-Kingswood, South Dublin | 3,974 | 3,996 |
037 Tallaght-Millbrook, South Dublin | 3,290 | 3,386 |
038 Tallaght-Oldbawn, South Dublin | 4,527 | 4,579 |
039 Tallaght-Springfield, South Dublin | 9,123 | 11,012 |
040 Tallaght-Tymon, South Dublin | 4,888 | 4,956 |
71,504 | 76,119 |
On Dún Laoghaire, I could find absolutely nothing that supported the 38,761 number. Using the same method as above, I searched the the E2013 (population by Electoral Division) database for every ED that started with "Dún Laoghaire". However, as below, even with this method (which drags in places as far south as Sallynoggin/Kill o' the Grange), the result is still 12,000 shy of the unreferenced number in the article.
"Population Density and Area Size 2011 to 2016 by Electoral Division, Census Year and Statistical indicator" [10] | ||
---|---|---|
(EDs starting with "Dún Laoghaire") | ||
Population - 2011 (Number) | Population - 2016 (Number) | |
042 Dún Laoghaire-East Central, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,234 | 2,489 |
043 Dún Laoghaire-Glasthule, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,760 | 2,807 |
044 Dún Laoghaire-Glenageary, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,922 | 1,929 |
045 Dún Laoghaire-Monkstown Farm, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,095 | 2,225 |
046 Dún Laoghaire-Mount Town, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,734 | 1,779 |
047 Dún Laoghaire-Sallynoggin East, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,866 | 2,860 |
048 Dún Laoghaire-Sallynoggin South, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,354 | 1,441 |
049 Dún Laoghaire-Sallynoggin West, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,884 | 2,886 |
050 Dún Laoghaire-Sandycove, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 3,690 | 3,690 |
051 Dún Laoghaire-Salthill, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 1,623 | 1,729 |
052 Dún Laoghaire-West Central, Dún Laoghaire-Rathdown | 2,368 | 2,690 |
24,530 | 26,525 |
In any event, I'd be interested to hear others' thoughts on whether or what to include in this "List" article. For Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire. (Or whether we should remove the "additional table" entirely - as based largely on SYNTH.) And, be extension, what anyone thinks about the numbers in the Tallaght and Dún Laoghaire articles themselves. Cheers. Guliolopez ( talk) 23:35, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
ConorBrady .ie (caint) 09:17, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
This list can be updated now with today's release of the 2022 census results regarding City and Town population figures, available at [11] https://data.cso.ie/ on table F1015 23stat23stat ( talk) 14:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
Hi. While the recent scope extensions (from the 100 most populous areas/census towns, to 150, to 200, to 250) are all great, I wonder if we should stop there. While I appreciate that nobody is proposing or hinting at further additions, IMO we should stop at 250. With Kilpedder. Which, until relatively recently, had a population of 400 odd and is still, perhaps, best described as a village. (If we go further, we may start to stretch the definition of an "urban area". Like those places in the States that are "cities" in an academic "name only" kinda way). Otherwise, if we are to "keep going", what's our cutoff/scope? Guliolopez ( talk) 19:26, 8 October 2023 (UTC)