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The entry on the Bodom murders is located under the "No Date Given" header - the Wikipedia article the link points to, however, gives a very clear date for the murders. Slip, or intentional? Mip | Talk 18:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia also has the similar category called, "Category:Cause of death disputed." A cursory examination (my "original research") revealed that several people in this "unsolved murders and deaths" list are also in the Wiki-Category "Cause of death disputed." Perhaps we should link or connect these two similar areas. ProfessorPaul 03:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Should the redlinks really be in here? If they have no article, is it really a notable murder? Thousands of these things happen a year. Chris 04:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Bearian 16:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The Zurab Zhvania article makes absolutely no mention of any sort of controversy or foul play in his death and the cause has been easily determined. I'm going to remove it from this list.-- Theloniouszen 05:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
A number of these deaths fall into a category for conspiracy theorists. There has been no proof about people such as Joseph Stalin and Pope John Paul I, so why make this look like some gossip rag?
I am going to be bold and clean up this article, removing all conspiracy theories and hoaxes. Bearian 16:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
User:PaulinSaudi created a page called Unsolved crimes to note the following, which I presume belongs here. Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that currently there is no single method used by which the entries are sorted, unsolved serial killer murders seems to be done by alphabet, unsolved deaths chronologically and unsolved murders has no sorting at all. For consistency I propose to list all entries chronologically per section with subsections by year so that each entry can than be placed under its corresponding year. For serial killer cases which span multiple years, the entries are listed under the year the first murder took place. This will make the list look better plus more easy to read and navigate. If no one objects, I'm going to be bold and make these changes myself. Erebus Morgaine ( talk) 03:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I deleted Jessica Keen's entry since her entry and page acknowledged the killing was solved. Byuusetsu ( talk) 04:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article states that it lists notable deaths, yet several entries appear to be fairly usual. Unless anyone objects, I am going to weed out the more pedestrian entries. Thoughts? -- JeffJ ( talk) 04:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
This page overlaps with List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom and indeed most if not all of the events refer to the US. Should it perhaps be renamed List of unsolved murders in the United States? Groomtech ( talk) 17:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Given the controversy, shouldn't Thelma Todd's death be included? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I feel that the entry regarding Caylee Anthony's unsolved death is worded incorrectly---it seems biased, and although most of the public is biased against the persons involved, it should not reflect that on Wikipedia. "Even though her mother, Casey Anthony" sounds suspiciously like an accusation. 67.142.175.24 ( talk) 03:23, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
I've just found a copy of this list at http://reference.findtarget.com/search/List%20of%20unsolved%20deaths/
I haven't checked every entry, but it appears to be identical, right down to the typos. I don't know if this is a problem or not. I've found other Wiki pages seemingly duplicated externally before. But this one got my curiosity because of the duplicated typos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjl2 ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I feel like this article is really odd for Wikipedia. It's an arbitrary list in that there are literally hundreds of thousands or even millions of unsolved murders that aren't going to be included and the parameters for what gets one included is hopelessly nonexistent. Seriously, why is this an article? I thought random, arbitrary and pointless lists were frowned upon for Wikipedia. Jdlund ( talk) 17:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
As a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, I would appreciate comments on what is needed as copy editing of this list. Perhaps it is only Wikilinks, in which case the {{Dead end}} tag is more appropriate. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Should she be included on the list? I have no idea, but it seems a bone of contention. All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough,
21:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC).
I would suggest adding the murder of Dian Fossey < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Fossey>
and possibly Thomas Ince...
and Carl Switzer (Alfalfa)...
69.69.213.93 ( talk) 18:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Elisa Lam should definitely be in the suspicious deaths category. The video released of her last seen in the Cecil Hotel is just creepy.
http://theghostdiaries.com/new-bizarre-twists-in-the-macabre-case-of-elisa-lam/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.252.78 ( talk) 05:29, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
There's nothing mysterious about Paul Wellstone's death. Someone needs to remove this conspiracy-theory garbage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.158.121 ( talk) 14:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Her disappearance was probably the most publicized in the last decade, I think she should be mentioned in this article. 93.196.238.146 ( talk) 13:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
John P. Wheeler III should be added to this list. He was notable prior to his death, his death has officially been ruled a homocide, there are no strong leads and his death is surrounded by mysterious circumstances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.67.122 ( talk) 19:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
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He should be added. Google him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.134.205 ( talk) 00:42, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
This article needs uniform date format - either U.S. or U.K. There is currently a myriad of both (September 12, 1943/4 July 1954). Can consensus be reached for one or the other?-- Kieronoldham ( talk) 23:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Used to be here before. Boy in the Box (Philadelphia) 89.27.84.10 ( talk) 08:12, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
"Unsolved" needs to be defined better for this article and Category:Unsolved deaths. For example, how Jeffrey R. MacDonald's family died is "solved" as is the death of William Colby. We don't say the assassination of John F. Kennedy is "unsolved" simply because somebody refuses to come to terms with the official findings. - Location ( talk) 06:04, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
As for murders, perhaps we should distinguish between genuinely unsolved murders (no serious suspects ever), partially solved murders (not all the perpetrators tried or convicted) and disputed ones ( Leigh Leigh fits into both these last two: perhaps the young man who confessed to it and served time had some culpability, but the evidence suggests there were others involved and that he may not have been the one to do the dirty deed as his confession is somewhat implausible). Daniel Case ( talk) 03:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Setting aside for the moment individual listed cases, I am concerned that this article/list has been used for the promotion of fringe theories. Even if we spin off some of these into a separate list we need to be very careful about WP:PROFRINGE. Fringe theories are not generally accorded equal weight on Wikipedia. Even introducing them requires some level of notability and creating a separate list or article about disputed deaths is going to be very difficult to create without heavy reliance of Fringe sources. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 04:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Officially, Kilgallen's death is "solved": https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19651116&id=3idfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CE8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=5852,1580478&hl=en. - Location ( talk) 13:50, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone think that adding Kaspar Hauser to this list would be a good idea? I think he counts as notable, and the circumstances of his life and death certainly make for a good entry. If he's already been included on a similar list/page I would love to know. Jaxzan Proditor ( talk) 01:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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This list is incredibly long and difficult to navigate and will only get worse as new cases are added. I propose dividing it into three or four new articles. Vital Forces 2015 ( talk) 17:27, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
We could also stand to separate the unsolved serial killings in the middle. And I would also consider strongly a separate list for unsolved mass killings and terrorist attacks, of which there are quite a few because I added them all some time ago. (I have also had the idea to have List of unsolved killings believed linked to organized crime, but maybe we'll need more consensus on that one).
I support the idea also of lists by time period, but also by country since we have one for the UK, and there's easily enough American, Australian, Canadian and South African entries on the homicide section of the list to support separation. Daniel Case ( talk) 07:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I will follow the suggestion of splitting into three articles based on the current titles: List of unsolved murders, List of unsolved serial killer murders and keep the rest on this article. Unless someone has a better suggestion Vital Forces 2015 ( talk) 22:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Whereas "killings" is for cases where there's no doubt, at least officially, that someone died at the hands of another, we just don't know which another. I don't see this as a very hard distinction to understand.
If "relevant material will frequently be placed in the wrong article", which happens anyway, there's a very simple solution: Move it to the right article. It's an open-content online encyclopedia, not stone tablets. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia editor "Edward 321" reverted an edit that had placed Dorothy Kilgallen in this article. Edward's logic is that in September 2017, the district attorney's office dropped its investigation of her death, therefore her case "is still solved." Wrong! Original status (November 1965) was "circumstances undetermined." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.42.50 ( talk) 22:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
I am removing this entry per WP:PROFRINGE and the very extensive discussions that have occurred across multiple talk pages including WP:FTN and her article. There have been near endless attempts to promote various fringe theories about her death by conspiracy theorists. All of these discussions have resulted in a strong consensus that there is insufficient reliable secondary source coverage to mention these theories. Nonetheless efforts continue to be made to promote or insinuate these fringe theories from time to time. However per WP:RS there is nothing mysterious about her death. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 20:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@ LuckyLouie: Really? Then how come none of the existing entries in the article explicitly have sources stating the death is "unsolved"? For those who are wondering what's going on here, there has apparently been a hot debate on this matter at Dorothy Kilgallen's article. This was told to me by Ad Orientem, who contacted me by email. I normally take no notice of emails, which I view as a form of harassment. If you've got something to add to the discussion, say it on the Talk page and don't attempt to sway an editor in private. So it seems that I, who do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory on DK's death, have unwittingly stumbled into a continuation of a previous debate elsewhere and have now been labelled a conspiracy theorist by LL. Akld guy ( talk) 01:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
"the majority of reliable sources describe that Kilgallen's death was ruled as as accidental" By whom? Dominick DiMaio does not seem to have written that. Who is the primary source of the ruling? (I am not personally interested in the case, just wondering who are we using as a source.) Dimadick ( talk) 17:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Bradley Robert Ewardes has been arrested for the murders of Jane Rimmer, Ciara Glennon and Sarah Spiers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.76.242 ( talk) 12:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
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I have scanned a previous discussion here in the talk archive, but am wondering if there would be opposition to relocating the U.S. cases in this list to a separate article, as there is already a List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom article; given that a great deal of the cases here are based in the United States, it might be sensible. Any ideas? I frankly just think this article is too long as it stands and has reached the point of needing to be broken up and redistributed. -- Drown Soda ( talk) 19:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I think 'List of unsolved deaths' is the wrong title. There should be a demarcation between 'Missing persons', 'Unexplained deaths' and 'Unsolved crimes'. Valetude ( talk) 22:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
How is this an "unsolved death"? The Inca regularly practiced human sacrifice, and this is an example. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 14:54, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
This article has 429,595 bytes of markup - it is far too big. What is the best way to split it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I have split the article per my suggestion above, creating List of unsolved murders and List of unsolved serial killer murders in the process. The remaining content is the unsolved deaths section, which appropriately matches the title of the article. Akld guy ( talk) 01:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
What about Jörg Haider? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.12.233.109 ( talk) 23:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
His murder remains unsolved at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.63.60 ( talk) 05:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
He was most probably killed, perhaps by the CIA. An extremely important case, from a historical point of view. Seiopotessi ( talk) 21:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
While 11000 BCE is technically before 1900, it seems a bit disingenuous.
Suggested categories: Prehistorical, 2000 BCE - 0 CE, 0 CE - 1800 CE, 1800s.
Either of the middle categories could be further split, depending on the desired length of sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sophibug ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
why is missing?
Because he died of illness, and some people claiming that he was poisoned doesn't mean that he was, nor that he belongs on this list. And sign your posts next time. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 17:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Robert Xie has recently been found guilty of all five murders, and has been sentenced to life in gaol.
Content has been removed from that section because it was WP:SENSATIONAL, WP:OR, unsourced, or attributed to an established conspiracy theorist. Regarding the latter, see the extensive earlier discussions here, here, here, here, here, and here. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 15:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I really don't feel that the remains of ancient humans and mummies belongs on a list like this. Of course we don't necessarily know how they died, but that's kind of loose with the idea of what these pages are about. Shouldn't this list be more for people whose deaths had a noted record of debate for how they died? Someone who likely died of natural causes in 10,000BCE doesn't belong on this list, just because we discovered their remains 10,000 years later, and don't officially know how they died. It just doesn't fit at all. Nor for people who probably died in pre-historic battle or something.
And as for people who disappeared mysteriously (which there was never a body found), they are already part of these respective lists. Which are more appropriate for them, as we do not know their ultimate fate. So even if enough time has passed that they are obviously dead by now, those lists are more appropriate for them.
Unless there's some serious beef with what I'm saying, I propose cleaning up this article. It should have a more focused scope on people in which different OFFICIAL investigations came to different conclusions; or were otherwise notably questioned (usually in their contemporary times). StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 17:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
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The entry on the Bodom murders is located under the "No Date Given" header - the Wikipedia article the link points to, however, gives a very clear date for the murders. Slip, or intentional? Mip | Talk 18:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia also has the similar category called, "Category:Cause of death disputed." A cursory examination (my "original research") revealed that several people in this "unsolved murders and deaths" list are also in the Wiki-Category "Cause of death disputed." Perhaps we should link or connect these two similar areas. ProfessorPaul 03:20, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Should the redlinks really be in here? If they have no article, is it really a notable murder? Thousands of these things happen a year. Chris 04:45, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Bearian 16:21, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
The Zurab Zhvania article makes absolutely no mention of any sort of controversy or foul play in his death and the cause has been easily determined. I'm going to remove it from this list.-- Theloniouszen 05:22, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
A number of these deaths fall into a category for conspiracy theorists. There has been no proof about people such as Joseph Stalin and Pope John Paul I, so why make this look like some gossip rag?
I am going to be bold and clean up this article, removing all conspiracy theories and hoaxes. Bearian 16:18, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
User:PaulinSaudi created a page called Unsolved crimes to note the following, which I presume belongs here. Cordless Larry ( talk) 16:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that currently there is no single method used by which the entries are sorted, unsolved serial killer murders seems to be done by alphabet, unsolved deaths chronologically and unsolved murders has no sorting at all. For consistency I propose to list all entries chronologically per section with subsections by year so that each entry can than be placed under its corresponding year. For serial killer cases which span multiple years, the entries are listed under the year the first murder took place. This will make the list look better plus more easy to read and navigate. If no one objects, I'm going to be bold and make these changes myself. Erebus Morgaine ( talk) 03:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I deleted Jessica Keen's entry since her entry and page acknowledged the killing was solved. Byuusetsu ( talk) 04:57, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
The introduction to this article states that it lists notable deaths, yet several entries appear to be fairly usual. Unless anyone objects, I am going to weed out the more pedestrian entries. Thoughts? -- JeffJ ( talk) 04:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
This page overlaps with List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom and indeed most if not all of the events refer to the US. Should it perhaps be renamed List of unsolved murders in the United States? Groomtech ( talk) 17:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Given the controversy, shouldn't Thelma Todd's death be included? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 01:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I feel that the entry regarding Caylee Anthony's unsolved death is worded incorrectly---it seems biased, and although most of the public is biased against the persons involved, it should not reflect that on Wikipedia. "Even though her mother, Casey Anthony" sounds suspiciously like an accusation. 67.142.175.24 ( talk) 03:23, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
I've just found a copy of this list at http://reference.findtarget.com/search/List%20of%20unsolved%20deaths/
I haven't checked every entry, but it appears to be identical, right down to the typos. I don't know if this is a problem or not. I've found other Wiki pages seemingly duplicated externally before. But this one got my curiosity because of the duplicated typos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wjl2 ( talk • contribs) 13:39, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
I feel like this article is really odd for Wikipedia. It's an arbitrary list in that there are literally hundreds of thousands or even millions of unsolved murders that aren't going to be included and the parameters for what gets one included is hopelessly nonexistent. Seriously, why is this an article? I thought random, arbitrary and pointless lists were frowned upon for Wikipedia. Jdlund ( talk) 17:00, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
As a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, I would appreciate comments on what is needed as copy editing of this list. Perhaps it is only Wikilinks, in which case the {{Dead end}} tag is more appropriate. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 13:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Should she be included on the list? I have no idea, but it seems a bone of contention. All the best,
Rich
Farmbrough,
21:59, 2 April 2014 (UTC).
I would suggest adding the murder of Dian Fossey < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Fossey>
and possibly Thomas Ince...
and Carl Switzer (Alfalfa)...
69.69.213.93 ( talk) 18:51, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Elisa Lam should definitely be in the suspicious deaths category. The video released of her last seen in the Cecil Hotel is just creepy.
http://theghostdiaries.com/new-bizarre-twists-in-the-macabre-case-of-elisa-lam/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.252.78 ( talk) 05:29, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
There's nothing mysterious about Paul Wellstone's death. Someone needs to remove this conspiracy-theory garbage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.33.158.121 ( talk) 14:23, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
Her disappearance was probably the most publicized in the last decade, I think she should be mentioned in this article. 93.196.238.146 ( talk) 13:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
John P. Wheeler III should be added to this list. He was notable prior to his death, his death has officially been ruled a homocide, there are no strong leads and his death is surrounded by mysterious circumstances. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.104.67.122 ( talk) 19:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of unsolved deaths's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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He should be added. Google him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.134.205 ( talk) 00:42, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
This article needs uniform date format - either U.S. or U.K. There is currently a myriad of both (September 12, 1943/4 July 1954). Can consensus be reached for one or the other?-- Kieronoldham ( talk) 23:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
Used to be here before. Boy in the Box (Philadelphia) 89.27.84.10 ( talk) 08:12, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
"Unsolved" needs to be defined better for this article and Category:Unsolved deaths. For example, how Jeffrey R. MacDonald's family died is "solved" as is the death of William Colby. We don't say the assassination of John F. Kennedy is "unsolved" simply because somebody refuses to come to terms with the official findings. - Location ( talk) 06:04, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
As for murders, perhaps we should distinguish between genuinely unsolved murders (no serious suspects ever), partially solved murders (not all the perpetrators tried or convicted) and disputed ones ( Leigh Leigh fits into both these last two: perhaps the young man who confessed to it and served time had some culpability, but the evidence suggests there were others involved and that he may not have been the one to do the dirty deed as his confession is somewhat implausible). Daniel Case ( talk) 03:48, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Setting aside for the moment individual listed cases, I am concerned that this article/list has been used for the promotion of fringe theories. Even if we spin off some of these into a separate list we need to be very careful about WP:PROFRINGE. Fringe theories are not generally accorded equal weight on Wikipedia. Even introducing them requires some level of notability and creating a separate list or article about disputed deaths is going to be very difficult to create without heavy reliance of Fringe sources. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 04:32, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
Officially, Kilgallen's death is "solved": https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2209&dat=19651116&id=3idfAAAAIBAJ&sjid=CE8NAAAAIBAJ&pg=5852,1580478&hl=en. - Location ( talk) 13:50, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Does anyone think that adding Kaspar Hauser to this list would be a good idea? I think he counts as notable, and the circumstances of his life and death certainly make for a good entry. If he's already been included on a similar list/page I would love to know. Jaxzan Proditor ( talk) 01:33, 7 August 2016 (UTC)
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This list is incredibly long and difficult to navigate and will only get worse as new cases are added. I propose dividing it into three or four new articles. Vital Forces 2015 ( talk) 17:27, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
We could also stand to separate the unsolved serial killings in the middle. And I would also consider strongly a separate list for unsolved mass killings and terrorist attacks, of which there are quite a few because I added them all some time ago. (I have also had the idea to have List of unsolved killings believed linked to organized crime, but maybe we'll need more consensus on that one).
I support the idea also of lists by time period, but also by country since we have one for the UK, and there's easily enough American, Australian, Canadian and South African entries on the homicide section of the list to support separation. Daniel Case ( talk) 07:03, 7 August 2017 (UTC)
I will follow the suggestion of splitting into three articles based on the current titles: List of unsolved murders, List of unsolved serial killer murders and keep the rest on this article. Unless someone has a better suggestion Vital Forces 2015 ( talk) 22:17, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
Whereas "killings" is for cases where there's no doubt, at least officially, that someone died at the hands of another, we just don't know which another. I don't see this as a very hard distinction to understand.
If "relevant material will frequently be placed in the wrong article", which happens anyway, there's a very simple solution: Move it to the right article. It's an open-content online encyclopedia, not stone tablets. Daniel Case ( talk) 04:52, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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Wikipedia editor "Edward 321" reverted an edit that had placed Dorothy Kilgallen in this article. Edward's logic is that in September 2017, the district attorney's office dropped its investigation of her death, therefore her case "is still solved." Wrong! Original status (November 1965) was "circumstances undetermined." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.183.42.50 ( talk) 22:06, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
I am removing this entry per WP:PROFRINGE and the very extensive discussions that have occurred across multiple talk pages including WP:FTN and her article. There have been near endless attempts to promote various fringe theories about her death by conspiracy theorists. All of these discussions have resulted in a strong consensus that there is insufficient reliable secondary source coverage to mention these theories. Nonetheless efforts continue to be made to promote or insinuate these fringe theories from time to time. However per WP:RS there is nothing mysterious about her death. - Ad Orientem ( talk) 20:18, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
@ LuckyLouie: Really? Then how come none of the existing entries in the article explicitly have sources stating the death is "unsolved"? For those who are wondering what's going on here, there has apparently been a hot debate on this matter at Dorothy Kilgallen's article. This was told to me by Ad Orientem, who contacted me by email. I normally take no notice of emails, which I view as a form of harassment. If you've got something to add to the discussion, say it on the Talk page and don't attempt to sway an editor in private. So it seems that I, who do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory on DK's death, have unwittingly stumbled into a continuation of a previous debate elsewhere and have now been labelled a conspiracy theorist by LL. Akld guy ( talk) 01:18, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
"the majority of reliable sources describe that Kilgallen's death was ruled as as accidental" By whom? Dominick DiMaio does not seem to have written that. Who is the primary source of the ruling? (I am not personally interested in the case, just wondering who are we using as a source.) Dimadick ( talk) 17:52, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
Bradley Robert Ewardes has been arrested for the murders of Jane Rimmer, Ciara Glennon and Sarah Spiers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.224.76.242 ( talk) 12:55, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
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I have scanned a previous discussion here in the talk archive, but am wondering if there would be opposition to relocating the U.S. cases in this list to a separate article, as there is already a List of unsolved murders in the United Kingdom article; given that a great deal of the cases here are based in the United States, it might be sensible. Any ideas? I frankly just think this article is too long as it stands and has reached the point of needing to be broken up and redistributed. -- Drown Soda ( talk) 19:29, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
I think 'List of unsolved deaths' is the wrong title. There should be a demarcation between 'Missing persons', 'Unexplained deaths' and 'Unsolved crimes'. Valetude ( talk) 22:46, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
How is this an "unsolved death"? The Inca regularly practiced human sacrifice, and this is an example. --jpgordon 𝄢𝄆 𝄐𝄇 14:54, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
This article has 429,595 bytes of markup - it is far too big. What is the best way to split it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
I have split the article per my suggestion above, creating List of unsolved murders and List of unsolved serial killer murders in the process. The remaining content is the unsolved deaths section, which appropriately matches the title of the article. Akld guy ( talk) 01:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)
What about Jörg Haider? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.12.233.109 ( talk) 23:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
His murder remains unsolved at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.63.60 ( talk) 05:03, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
He was most probably killed, perhaps by the CIA. An extremely important case, from a historical point of view. Seiopotessi ( talk) 21:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
While 11000 BCE is technically before 1900, it seems a bit disingenuous.
Suggested categories: Prehistorical, 2000 BCE - 0 CE, 0 CE - 1800 CE, 1800s.
Either of the middle categories could be further split, depending on the desired length of sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sophibug ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
why is missing?
Because he died of illness, and some people claiming that he was poisoned doesn't mean that he was, nor that he belongs on this list. And sign your posts next time. StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 17:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Robert Xie has recently been found guilty of all five murders, and has been sentenced to life in gaol.
Content has been removed from that section because it was WP:SENSATIONAL, WP:OR, unsourced, or attributed to an established conspiracy theorist. Regarding the latter, see the extensive earlier discussions here, here, here, here, here, and here. JoJo Anthrax ( talk) 15:41, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
I really don't feel that the remains of ancient humans and mummies belongs on a list like this. Of course we don't necessarily know how they died, but that's kind of loose with the idea of what these pages are about. Shouldn't this list be more for people whose deaths had a noted record of debate for how they died? Someone who likely died of natural causes in 10,000BCE doesn't belong on this list, just because we discovered their remains 10,000 years later, and don't officially know how they died. It just doesn't fit at all. Nor for people who probably died in pre-historic battle or something.
And as for people who disappeared mysteriously (which there was never a body found), they are already part of these respective lists. Which are more appropriate for them, as we do not know their ultimate fate. So even if enough time has passed that they are obviously dead by now, those lists are more appropriate for them.
Unless there's some serious beef with what I'm saying, I propose cleaning up this article. It should have a more focused scope on people in which different OFFICIAL investigations came to different conclusions; or were otherwise notably questioned (usually in their contemporary times). StrangeApparition2011 ( talk) 17:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)