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I have again shortened the lead with this edit. This will, I think, give enough definition of what the list comprises, while allowing the reader to click-through to non-list articles for full context and lengthy discussion. There is no reason to invite this to become a content fork with the substantive articles. The list is controversial enough as is, hence the partial protection (though it shouldn't be so controversial since everything is cited, after all). Novaseminary ( talk) 21:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The discussion above about UNESCO is beyond me! We have UNESCO mentioned in the introduction, but why is (was) it on the list? And we have a reference that talks about its' views. (Indeed, that info is valuable to the intro.) But quite explicitly it says it is not an accrediting body. So off it goes!-- S. Rich ( talk) 23:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Do all of the redlinks belong? I have to imagine that just making a list of inrecognized accreditors--which certainly justifies putting the org on this list--does not make the org meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Per WP:LSC (discussion of "Creation guide" lists), shouldn't only the independently notable orgs have redlinks? Novaseminary ( talk) 04:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
A few days ago, another editor created two subcategories for the list:
The new structure implies that these two groupings are legitimate organizations that are on the list due to special situations -- and that the rest of the entities on the list are not legitimate. Unfortunately, the basis for this classification is (at best) original research. In all but a few cases, the only sourced information that we have regarding the entities on this list is:
There are many different possible reasons why an entity might appear on this list. Some probably are completely nonexistent (made-up), some are accreditation mills, some are legitimate organizations that are not engaged in accreditation but have been misrepresented by third parties, some may be legitimate organizations that are engaged in some sort of accreditation but are not accreditors of higher education, some are accreditors of religious reliability but not of educational quality, and some may be undertaking to do a quality job of higher education accreditation in spite of not being recognized. In the case of the majority of entries on this list, there is no authoritative, reliably sourced information identifying which of these reasons applies to a particular listed entity. This is why the part of the lead section of this article has essentially been a disclaimer -- text that explains (in other words) that the mere appearance of an entity on this list does not indicate any conclusion regarding its legitimacy.
It appears that the "religious or theological" subcategory of the list was created primarily on the basis of inference from the organization's name. Unfortunately, that cannot be defended as anything more than original research -- and, in fact, it is likely that at least a few of these entities are either made-up entities or accreditation mills. (Fraudsters engaged in misrepresentation have been known to misrepresent themselves using words like "interfaith" or "Christian" or "Bible".)
As for the "misidentified" list, it includes only UNESCO, apparently based on the source that I added to the lead section of the article a little while back. I made a particular point of listing it as an example because I am reasonably sure that there are several entities on this list that have been misidentified, but I have not seen an authoritative reliable source that states both that the organization is a reputable entity that is not engaged in higher education accreditation and that it has been misidentified or misrepresented as an accreditor. For example, I am reasonably sure that the United States Distance Learning Association and International Association of Educators for World Peace are reputable non-accreditation entities that appear on this list only because they have been misrepresented, but it would be WP:SYN for me to state that in an article. Breaking out a list of "Organizations misidentified", while leaving these organizations (and probably some others like them) in the master list of organizations implied to be illegitimate, besmirches the reputation of these organizations.
In view of the above concerns, which I consider to be very serious, I am reverting the edits that created the separate lists. -- Orlady ( talk) 14:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I think an important point is missing. There is a difference between an "unrecognized higher education accreditation organization" and an organization which is NOT a "recognized higher education accrediting organization." Most of the list contains the former. UNESCO and USDLA are the later. (In this regard they do not belong on the list!) To illustrate, if I established the "Srich32977 Institute of Academic Accreditation (SIAA)" my organization would be an unrecognized higher education accreditation organization because my institute would say something like "This is not a recognized higher education accreditation organization". Or, if I did not post such a disclaimer, some other entity would tag my organization as such. In either case, SIAA would go on the list. But if I established the "Srich32977 Institute of Academic Excellence (SIAE)" in order to promote, say scholarships, SIAE would not go on the list. HOWEVER, if SIAE said "The SIAE is not a 'recognized higher education accrediting organization'" then my organization would have to go on the list because it was self-identified as such! By failing to make the distinction between unrecognized and not recognized, we end up with UNESCO on the list even though it, based on WP:RS -- UNESCO itself, is not an organization which is recognized as a higher education accrediting organization.-- S. Rich ( talk) 17:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid my vague tag on the michlist reference is buried in the footnote, so I'll add a notation here. What I'd like to know is what office in the State of Michigan is publishing the list. While the list says the bodies listed are not approved by US ED, e.g., DoE has approved bodies not on the michlist, who in Michigan is preparing the list and where does their info come from? Perhaps it comes from Wikipedia! If so, then it fails the WP:RS requirement to have a "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." (Also, the latest rendition of the list is dated 8/13/2010.)-- S. Rich ( talk) 21:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Taking this one step further, I've looked at the Michlist and matched with wikilinked entities in the article. Based on info available in those articles, and using WP:COMMON to evaluate info gleaned from the entities themselves, I have WP:IAR to tag those particular entries as dubious.-- S. Rich ( talk) 23:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
And in further thinking about this, I see that Michlist has included various international or foreign bodies not approved by the US ED. But ED does not endeavor to evaluate any international or foreign bodies. (Probably they have no legal authority to do so.) If this is the case, then including any non-US institutions on this list simply because they are not ED (or CHEA) listed is improper synthesis. (Moreover, the Michlist fails as a RS.)-- S. Rich ( talk) 15:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Elsewhere on this page (to a limited extent) and more extensively at Talk:Accreditation mill and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 18#Category:Unrecognized accreditation associations, User:John J. Bulten has alluded to a perceived absence of inclusion criteria. I infer that his main concern is with this list article.
The current criteria for inclusion are described in the lead paragraph. Here are the relevant excerpts:
If sources conflict regarding the status of an organization -- for example, if the State of Michigan says it's an unrecognized accreditor but CHEA says it is recognized, then obviously the article editors need to make a judgment call or else annotate the listing about the conflict between sources. (In the example, I'd trust CHEA over the State of Michigan, but in most cases an annotation is appropriate.) However, if one source says it's an unrecognized accreditor but other sources have no information about it, it still belongs on the list.
Regarding entities that might not actually be engaged in accreditation, but appear on a reliably sourced list of unrecognized accreditors, a contributor's hunch that they might be falsely labeled is nothing more than original research, and not a reason to exclude them from the list. Additionally, it is not up to Wikipedia contributors to investigate the detailed story underlying a source's identification of an entity as an "unrecognized accreditor"; if there's a source that explains that the entity was falsely accused or otherwise documents the basis for a listing, that information belongs in the list (either in a text annotation or a footnote), but a lack of detailed background information is not a basis for removing an entity from the list.
One final comment: My own preference (based in part on my experience with Featured List Candidates) is for the inclusion criteria to appear at or near the end of the introductory section of a list article, rather than in the lead sentence. I think it is more effective to provide background information before stating the list inclusion criteria, rather than stating the criteria before giving the reader the background they need to understand what the criteria mean. User:Novaseminary disagrees with me on that point and created the current sequence in October. It appears to me that the change in the structure of the introduction reduced clarity regarding inclusion criteria; if others agree, I suggest that you take the matter up with Novaseminary. -- Orlady ( talk) 02:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Is GetEducated.com article credible enough to be kept included in the discussed Wikipedia article as an RS? Francheese ( talk) 11:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
This is particularly for reference 15 citing the following article of geteducated.com
This is a source with no author name and no date of publishing and clearly fails the following policies of Wikipedia:
1. WP:SOURCES
The Wikipedia in its policy of “Reliable sources” (WP:SOURCES) defines what count as a reliable source by clearly mentioning:
“In general, the best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments; as a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source.”
This source website page has just provided a list with the only logic that “NONE of these accrediting agencies are recognized as college accreditors in the U.S. by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation or the U.S. Department of Education”.
Firstly this logic of analyzing an accreditation body for fakeness will essentially turn all other countries accreditation bodies into fake accreditation mills as according to this only US accreditation bodies will be regarded as genuine. Secondly, no evidence or logic of how this list has been compiled is given. There is no argument, no scrutiny and nothing that could substantiate the presence or absence of a particular association from this list.
2. WP:NOTRELIABLE
The Wikipedia policy on questionable sources (WP:NOTRELIABLE) clearly define sources that are NOT reliable and questionable as below:
“Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or which lack meaningful editorial oversight, or those with an apparent conflict of interest.” The source qualifies completely on the above as there is no basis for checking the facts is given and apparently there is no meaningful editorial oversight in compiling this list. The geteducated.com website which is posing as a watchdog for education industry is taking large number of paid advertisements from education industry including for-profit online universities and colleges. Thus there is an obvious and apparent conflict of interest due to this revenue generation mechanism where total revenue is being generated from these very educational institutes. This makes this source highly questionable and unreliable.
3. WP:SELFPUBLISH
The other Wikipedia policy that describes unreliable sources is regarding Self-published sources (WP:SELFPUBLISH). This policy clearly states:
“For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.”
The source (geteducated.com) is a self-published website. Its content on the source web page is never published by any reliable third party publication. It is a commercial website purely aimed at marketing its sponsors and writing positive articles about them. There is no author name in any of their articles and hence it is impossible to determine whether the author is an expert or not however, it could be safely assumed that he is not as the site clearly avoided mentioning his name. This all points towards the fact that the source is from a self-published website.
4. WP:EXCEPTIONAL
This source is also in complete violation of Wikipedia policy that “Exceptional claims require exceptional sources”(WP:EXCEPTIONAL). The policy clearly states that:
“Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Red flags that should prompt extra caution include:
• surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources; • challenged claims that are supported purely by Primary or self-published sources or those with an apparent conflict of interest • reports of a statement by someone that seems out of character, or against an interest they had previously defended. • claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community, or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions, especially in science, medicine, history, politics, and biographies of living people. This is especially true when proponents say there is a Conspiracy to silence them.”
The geteducated.com source article has made an exceptional claim about the credibility of an association like IAO by calling it completely fake agency. This is a big shocking claim which is not covered by any mainstream source ever. It is only made by this self-published website having no author. This “exceptional claim” is not supported by even a single source let alone “exceptional sources” that are required to substantiate such a sweeping statement.
Due to the above this reference should be removed from the page and as a result all names based solely on this source should be removed. I appreciate if the arguments in favor or against are given by quoting specific Wikipedia policy as without that the whole purpose of creating policies will be defeated. ( Scorpiosame ( talk) 22:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC))
After going through the above argument as well as the mentioned links regarding reliability and verifiability of the Sources, following points came forward as per my understanding:
1. As per the Wikipedia’s description of a Reliable Source Wikipedia:BURDEN#What counts as a reliable source, following is the criteria for the reliability of an article:
After going through the Wikipedia page under discussion as well as the article on Geteducated.com, I have to agree with Scorpiosame on the point that the article does not contains any reliability; as it does not disclose any reference or factual backing to the claim about listed accreditation bodies to be unrecognized. If there is a source or evidence that backs the inclusion of the names of the various accreditation bodies, why is it not mentioned? If the reasons on which the names are included in the list were stated, only then the list in the GetEducated article can be justified. This raises a big concern on the reliability of Geteducated.com as a reliable source.
2. Another fact came into my notice while comparing the list on the Wikipedia page and the list on Get Educated.com. The list on the Wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unrecognized_higher_education_accreditation_organizations has an extensive list of unrecognized accreditation bodies that are backed by other reliable sources, but majority of these names are not even mentioned in the Get Educated article quoted as a source. The omission of these other names puts another question mark on the reliability of Geteducated.com as a reliable source. Moreover, the list on the GetEducated.com is not updated or reviewed regularly since it was published. What if any accreditation body, which later is recognized by the relevant authorities and their name is still mentioned in the said list? Unless this list is maintained on a regular basis, it will become obsolete and no longer usable as a reliable source. Francheese ( talk) 12:16, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
-- S. Rich ( talk) 14:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
After careful research and consideration, the WP:RSVETTING checklist has been prepared which is as follows (Thanks to S.Rich for guiding towards the right way to put my point forward in the Wikipedia community):
The goal
The material
The author
As S.Rich has mentioned that Vicky Phillips, the founder of GetEducated.com, “has continuing activity or roles in the particular functions”, the question arises why is she so hesitant in citing her name in the article as the author and the person who carried out the research (which again has no applied procedure mentioned for) in light of which the list of the names mentioned has been prepared.
Similar is the case with the WCAX links.
The publication
Other
Francheese ( talk) 11:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Kindly discuss here on the talk page before reverting the changes. Francheese ( talk) 11:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I came in response to a request at WP:AN to close the discussion above. I have read most but not all of it. It's very long and I'm tired. My impression from reading the points and counterpoints and from looking at the website in dispute is that S. Rich and Orlady have the better arguments. I don't think the lack of a named author, or the failure of the author to update the article periodically, would suggest to anyone that the article is made up or otherwise unreliable. If I were researching this topic, I would want to know about the Get Educated website. On the basis of these general impressions, I would recommend a closure in favor of declaring the website a reliable source. However, since I am not an expert on disputes about whether a page is a relable source, I will make this only a recommended outcome, and will defer to the next person who may come along and overrule me. Chutznik ( talk) 05:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
References
Membership in the Agency shall be limited to institutions that offer instruction, assessment, and student services in the distance education field and are accredited by the WOEAC Accrediting Commission. The WOEAC Accrediting Commission may also accredit independent learning institutions. The World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) has been the standard-setting Accrediting Commission for correspondence study and distance education institutions including Ashwood University. Ashwood University has full accreditation status. Accredited by two recognized accreditation institutions, the World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) and the Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA). The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been the leading agency for distance education institutions since its inception. The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been providing accreditation to online universities since its inception. It was set up to improve educational standards and commercial practices of online universities that have sprung up in the last few decades. 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 18:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC) 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 18:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 17:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Accreditation is a non-governmental peer review process in which the integrity and good faith of an institution and its officers are essential. Membership in the Agency shall be limited to institutions that offer instruction, assessment, and student services in the distance education field and are accredited by the WOEAC Accrediting Commission. The WOEAC Accrediting Commission may also accredit independent learning institutions. The World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) has been the standard-setting Accrediting Commission for correspondence study and distance education institutions including Ashwood University. Ashwood University has full accreditation status. Accredited by two recognized accreditation institutions, the World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) and the Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA). The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been the leading agency for distance education institutions since its inception. The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been providing accreditation to online universities since its inception. It was set up to improve educational standards and commercial practices of online universities that have sprung up in the last few decades. 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 18:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
References
We need sources in order to add this one. Dougweller ( talk) 11:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
A couple of sources on naturopathy: [8] and [9] – ran into these while researching Clayton College. Dougweller ( talk) 11:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Ladies and Gentlemen in this discussion group of experts, pls, notice the following legal framework for HEBRG approval and HESA recognition and listing as Accrediting Body:
http://www.hesa.ac.uk/component/option,com_studrec/task,show_file/Itemid,233/mnl,12061/href,accreditation_guidance.html/ Version 1.1 Produced 2011-12-15 Professional, Statutory and Regulatory Bodies (PSRBs) and professional accreditation of undergraduate programmes
This is a statement from HEBRG (Higher Education Better Regulation Group). 1. The decision that the KIS should include information about accreditation by professional, statutory and regulatory bodies reflects the interests of students, as identified in the original research published by HEFCE, in having information about the professional bodies that recognise the course and hence about how the course might improve their employment prospects. However it is recognised that PSRB is an umbrella term for a very diverse group of organisations, including professional bodies, regulators and those with statutory authority over a profession or group of professionals. One of the roles of a PSRB may be to accredit programmes of higher education, either directly or through institutional accreditation.
2. 'Accreditation' is used in this context as a mark of assurance that the programme (or in some cases the institution as a whole) meets the standards set by the accrediting body. The outcome of a successful programme accreditation by a PSRB may include one or more of the following: a. graduates are able to practise as a professional in a specific field, and in some cases receive a license to practise that is required by law; b. graduates are granted chartered status; c. graduates are granted exemption from all or part of professional exams; d. graduates are eligible for entry to membership of a professional association or learned society; e. the programme is confirmed as meeting externally designated standards and quality.
3. There are many types of accreditation and processes vary widely, but they normally involve: a. external peer review; b. a definitive yes/no decision at the end of the accreditation process; c. a time delimited period of accreditation, with further review by the end of the accreditation period; d. regular monitoring of student performance.
4. Accreditation of programmes may be essential and required by law if the graduate is to be permitted to practice in their chosen profession, or it may more generally be considered a worthwhile exercise by the higher education provider in ensuring that the course meets professional needs and will improve the employment prospects of students. Whatever the aim of the accreditation, the PSRB should be committed to ensuring that its processes are not unduly burdensome and that they align with other sector-specific regulatory processes where they exist. Bodies are expected to adhere to the Principles of Better Regulation for Higher Education developed by the Higher Education Better Regulation Group (HEBRG).
5. Organisations that undertake accreditation of HE programmes and are identified through a KIS will be asked to provide relevant information on their own websites explaining in general terms the purposes of accreditation of higher educational programmes and the potential benefits to students.
6. The PSRBs currently recognised as eligible for inclusion in the KIS are listed in the List of accrediting bodies
7. There may also be other organisations, for example employers' representatives, not normally referred to as PSRBs and not involved in professional education; nevertheless they may undertake scrutiny of programmes with reference to industrial content or higher skills development that institutions would find valuable in informing prospective students and therefore wish to record in the KIS.
8. Such an organisation may be considered for acceptance onto the list of bodies eligible for inclusion in the KIS if it undertakes accreditation of higher education programmes that: a. results in all or most of the outcomes listed in paragraph 2; b. involves at least some of the processes listed in paragraph 3.
9. Where institutions believe other bodies should be added to the list of PSRBs they should contact liaison@hesa.ac.uk in the first instance. Process (from C13061) Organisations needing to be considered for addition to the list will be required to set out, against each of the criteria outlined in paragraph eight above (in a report of less than 2000 words) how they meet the criteria. The deadline for consideration for inclusion in the KIS published in September of any year will be 1 December of the previous year. Representatives from HEFCE, QAA, HEBRG and HESA (the Panel) will meet in January each year to consider additions to the list and HESA will communicate decisions by the end of January. Where organisations are not accepted for inclusion in the list they will have a right to appeal. Reasons for appealing should be put in writing, within one month of their initial panel decision in less than 1000 words. The case will then be considered by HEPISG, which will decide whether there are any grounds for accepting the appeal, and advise on next steps. Final decisions will be made before the end of March each year. If HEPISG rejects the bid then applicants will not be able to submit a further case for inclusion until there has been a substantial or material change to the organisation's process. This is designed to ensure there are not multiple and repeated attempts to gain inclusion on the list, where the case made is poor, because continually entertaining these requests may mean that other organisations, with valid claims, may be disadvantaged. HESA will manage this process and convene meetings of the panel. HEFCE will be responsible for liaison/communication with HEPISG. This process will be evaluated in 2015 when HEPISG will consider its fitness for purpose and if improvements could be made, such as updating HEBRG's investigation into professional, statutory and regulatory bodies (PSRBs); burden and alignment with wider QA infrastructure; future development and integration with wider academic infrastructure; and wider public information developments. Ad hoc enhancements to the process will be made as need arises.
The Principles for Better Regulation of Higher Education in the United Kingdom (November 2011) were developed by HEBRG and apply primarily to organisations that have a direct responsibility for regulating or holding to account any aspect of higher education provision offered by UK institutions. ( http://www.hebetterregulation.ac.uk/HEConcordat/Pages/default.aspx)
HEBRG expects that regulators and funding bodies, government departments, sector-specific agencies, professional, statutory and regulatory bodies and higher education providers within the scope of the proposed single regulatory framework will wish to commit wherever appropriate to the six Principles: - Regulation should encourage and support efficiency and effectiveness in institutional management and governance. - Regulation should have a clear purpose that is justified in a transparent manner. - Regulation depends on reliable, transparent data that is collected and made available to stakeholders efficiently and in a timely manner. - Regulation assessing quality and standards should be co-ordinated, transparent and proportionate. - Regulation should ensure that the interests of students and taxpayers are safeguarded and promoted as higher education operates in a more competitive environment. - Alternatives to regulation should be considered where appropriate.
Added by Wasteuni in this edit of 18:41, 27 March 2013 and moved and altered by Wasteuni in this series of edits a few minutes later.
Well well, as wordily pointed out here, the "Quality Assurance Commission" (QAC) really is listed within a " List of accrediting bodies".
According to this, QAC is based at "No. 4 The Rose Garden 14, Stour Way, Christchurch, BH23 2PF, England." A Google Street Map photo of the house next door but one doesn't look to me like the area where you'd find an accreditation agency. Does anyone here have evidence that QAC provides accreditation for anything other than degree mills?
As I look at the preamble for the "List of accrediting bodies", I don't see any sign of a quality check. Is this perhaps just a list of organizations that claim to be accrediting bodies, complete with the wording that each chooses to supply? (I really don't know: I see the term "nutrition", but I don't see either "holistic" or "complementary".) -- Hoary ( talk) 14:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
If the new Quality Assurance Commission (QAC) is officially recognized, you must remove from this list of unrecognized accreditation bodies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.136.158.170 ( talk) 07:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I assume you are aware that QAC UK Limited has closed in 2010 and the new QAC registered in 2011 is engage in higher education programme accreditation not institutional accreditation like QAC UK Limited.
I assume that you also are aware that there is no official accreditation system for higher education in the UK. The new QAC is engage in programme accreditation and credit transfers recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 13:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
What do you really have against the IIU? I do not see the IIU and the like accredited by the new QAC of 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 09:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
The new QAC has recognised the international and european programes of Azteca (foreign accredited university). QAC is not a degree awarding body. QAC will issue equivalency recognition. But are you aware as far as UK goes it is not illegal for foreign accredited institutions to offer thier own awards in the UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
So you are paid by someone? So wikipidia is a scam front? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 14:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
As dougweller put it ignore IIU, we are talking about the new QAC. IIU and BIU are not on their list.
We are talking about the new QAC whose status and mandate is very clear as an accrediting body and recognized per se by the new listing. You must face the truth and remove it from the list of bogus accrediting bodies connected with degree mills. Otherwise you are outdated and misleading the public.ש — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
What is really wrong with you Hoary? There is no whatsoever evidence that QAC was ever involved in institutional accreditation. QAC is engage in programme accreditation for credits. The fake online QAC letter also talk about programme credits. I will advise QAC to request BIU to remove it since clearly it has no programme accreditation standing with ẼQAC.
Are you aware anyone can set up an institution? Why are you playing "God" for any past mistakes?
For your information, for any discussion on IIU, please give me talk website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Dear Hoary, Since you cannot let go IIU. Theses are the real facts on IIU university project. IIU is incorporated as an institute in Ireland in 2000, and registered itself as a foreign company in 2000 in Malaysia. The whole operation was from Malaysia from 2002 to 2008. It was actually a legal loophole out of Malaysian higher education laws. The actual founders of IIU university were not allow to register the institute in Malaysia (Jeff Wooller is not the founder nor hold any executive powers in IIU), the founders are all Asians. Ministry of Higher Education gave them an answer since is no native equality in the company, educational institutional be registered in the country. This 30% native equity ownership is not spell as a law on paper on the constitution but appear in the sub procedures of the ministry.
For your information, IIU was self-accredited. It operated via independent education providers in Africa and Asia . The programmes of education providers was accredited by QAC. QAC was set up to check the quality of the programme at education providers. Some colleges validated their courses from other unaccredited American universities for IIU degrees as it had better professional recognition and standing. One college was had a link with IIU in 2005 but no link in 2007 was doing student visa scam, the college claimed on its website to be linked with University of London and IIU. IIU was merely used as a scapegoat for all UK private colleges issue which todate is not solved.
For your information, IIU boss is not a director of QAC Limited. Angelia Saini did a real "frame up" on the IIU for a European award. She was asked to leave BBC and got married in India in 2008, now selling her stupid book. Since IIU no longer have providers, QAC is no longer involved with IIU. IIU became more a reserach and publication entity. The Irish company now became an institute, the foreign company now marketing degrees of accredited university. But the founders of IIU never gave up on the university project and will now be an accredited university in another country with a new education trust under a new name. IIU records have been achieved in 2010.
Get a life hoary, since 2008, I have already divorced two wives. Are they still my wifes? and for your information some can legally have 4 wives at the same timeÛ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 10:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
On Angelia Saini, "why I quit" is just a meant for people like you to believe her story. Well since 2008, she has no real job, a good "karma" for her.
If you need information on bodies pass out institutional higher education accreditation is ASIC. ASIC so-called recognition is for UKBA visa regulation of private college in the UK. They are now cashing in on overseas accredited and unaccredited universities. You will notice two unaccredited universities in their list. The accredited universities are misleading students that they are accredited by a real UK accreditation body for higher education. ASIC is are now member of CHEA international (you need to pay USD500), so unaccredited universities is moving to ASIC.
§ Petermicheljean ( talk) 00:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Orlady what sources do Wikipedia need on ASIC, media?
Who gave Wikipedia the right? Is Wikipedia "thing" connected to the "Jewish" bullshit?
Sole purpose is to set QAC apart from QAC Limited. If you are not going to do that, let it be, the laugh is at your face.
ASIC purpose as an immigration regulation recognized company is also at your wikipidia.
Accreditation Service for International Colleges (ASIC) is a private accreditation body based in the United Kingdom. It is one of the accreditation bodies recognized by the UK Border Agency[1][2], permitting educational institutions with ASIC accreditation to sponsor Tier 4 immigrants to study in the UK.[3]
ASIC states that its accreditation of international educational establishments "neither confers nor validates degree-awarding powers" and cautions prospective students to confirm that the awards granted by the educational institution have the level of recognition sufficient for their purposes. [4]
You should contact ASIC mentor, שGeoffrey Alderman "the so-called jewish bullshit mouth piece on accreditation" in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 10:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Another user has added IADL to this list, based on a statement on their website that says "We have no affiliation with any local, regional or national government body." That statement, by itself, is not sufficient to qualify them as an "unrecognized higher education accreditation organization," but I think this needs to be discussed.
The IADL does offer an approval process, which it calls "accreditation", but its website states that only institutions that are already properly accredited can be "accredited members" of IADL: "International Association for Distance Learning is only able to accredit universities or degree-granting institutions which are licensed or approved by national or regional government or are already accredited by a nationally or internationally recognised organisation or body. Tertiary-level institutions which do not appear on the List of Universities of the World Higher Education Database will not normally be considered for Accredited Membership of the IADL." [11]
I confess that I can't keep all these outfits straight in my head. Is IADL stepping outside its claimed scope and accrediting institutions that otherwise lack approval?
If IADL belongs on this list (and I have a hunch that it does), the entry needs to be annotated to document what they are -- and what they aren't. -- Orlady ( talk) 14:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure i understood the including or exclusion for this article. So here's my question:
Currently, the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology (ACEP) is listed in this article. on their website they write: "It is with tremendous pleasure that we announce to you that ACEP has been approved by the American Psychological Association to be a provider of CE credit for psychologists and that we can provide CE credit for our programs in Energy Psychology effective Nov 11, 2012." [13]
The American Psychological Association Does list them on APA Approved Sponsors of Continuing Professional Education [14]
Is this relevant to this article? 109.66.128.60 ( talk) 01:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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Unaccredited Accrediting Orgs: Who Accredits the Accrediting Orgs? I surmise that various governmental agencies end up with that de facto role. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 22:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC))
I would like someone more experienced to comment on whether this organization should be added to the list: http://www.iaaos.org/ One indicator that this is not a recognized organization is that none of the people they list as representatives on global chapters, can be found by googling and a lot of them have PhDs so I expect they should be listed as alumni in respective universities.
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I have again shortened the lead with this edit. This will, I think, give enough definition of what the list comprises, while allowing the reader to click-through to non-list articles for full context and lengthy discussion. There is no reason to invite this to become a content fork with the substantive articles. The list is controversial enough as is, hence the partial protection (though it shouldn't be so controversial since everything is cited, after all). Novaseminary ( talk) 21:52, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
The discussion above about UNESCO is beyond me! We have UNESCO mentioned in the introduction, but why is (was) it on the list? And we have a reference that talks about its' views. (Indeed, that info is valuable to the intro.) But quite explicitly it says it is not an accrediting body. So off it goes!-- S. Rich ( talk) 23:30, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
Do all of the redlinks belong? I have to imagine that just making a list of inrecognized accreditors--which certainly justifies putting the org on this list--does not make the org meet WP:ORG or WP:GNG. Per WP:LSC (discussion of "Creation guide" lists), shouldn't only the independently notable orgs have redlinks? Novaseminary ( talk) 04:54, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
A few days ago, another editor created two subcategories for the list:
The new structure implies that these two groupings are legitimate organizations that are on the list due to special situations -- and that the rest of the entities on the list are not legitimate. Unfortunately, the basis for this classification is (at best) original research. In all but a few cases, the only sourced information that we have regarding the entities on this list is:
There are many different possible reasons why an entity might appear on this list. Some probably are completely nonexistent (made-up), some are accreditation mills, some are legitimate organizations that are not engaged in accreditation but have been misrepresented by third parties, some may be legitimate organizations that are engaged in some sort of accreditation but are not accreditors of higher education, some are accreditors of religious reliability but not of educational quality, and some may be undertaking to do a quality job of higher education accreditation in spite of not being recognized. In the case of the majority of entries on this list, there is no authoritative, reliably sourced information identifying which of these reasons applies to a particular listed entity. This is why the part of the lead section of this article has essentially been a disclaimer -- text that explains (in other words) that the mere appearance of an entity on this list does not indicate any conclusion regarding its legitimacy.
It appears that the "religious or theological" subcategory of the list was created primarily on the basis of inference from the organization's name. Unfortunately, that cannot be defended as anything more than original research -- and, in fact, it is likely that at least a few of these entities are either made-up entities or accreditation mills. (Fraudsters engaged in misrepresentation have been known to misrepresent themselves using words like "interfaith" or "Christian" or "Bible".)
As for the "misidentified" list, it includes only UNESCO, apparently based on the source that I added to the lead section of the article a little while back. I made a particular point of listing it as an example because I am reasonably sure that there are several entities on this list that have been misidentified, but I have not seen an authoritative reliable source that states both that the organization is a reputable entity that is not engaged in higher education accreditation and that it has been misidentified or misrepresented as an accreditor. For example, I am reasonably sure that the United States Distance Learning Association and International Association of Educators for World Peace are reputable non-accreditation entities that appear on this list only because they have been misrepresented, but it would be WP:SYN for me to state that in an article. Breaking out a list of "Organizations misidentified", while leaving these organizations (and probably some others like them) in the master list of organizations implied to be illegitimate, besmirches the reputation of these organizations.
In view of the above concerns, which I consider to be very serious, I am reverting the edits that created the separate lists. -- Orlady ( talk) 14:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I think an important point is missing. There is a difference between an "unrecognized higher education accreditation organization" and an organization which is NOT a "recognized higher education accrediting organization." Most of the list contains the former. UNESCO and USDLA are the later. (In this regard they do not belong on the list!) To illustrate, if I established the "Srich32977 Institute of Academic Accreditation (SIAA)" my organization would be an unrecognized higher education accreditation organization because my institute would say something like "This is not a recognized higher education accreditation organization". Or, if I did not post such a disclaimer, some other entity would tag my organization as such. In either case, SIAA would go on the list. But if I established the "Srich32977 Institute of Academic Excellence (SIAE)" in order to promote, say scholarships, SIAE would not go on the list. HOWEVER, if SIAE said "The SIAE is not a 'recognized higher education accrediting organization'" then my organization would have to go on the list because it was self-identified as such! By failing to make the distinction between unrecognized and not recognized, we end up with UNESCO on the list even though it, based on WP:RS -- UNESCO itself, is not an organization which is recognized as a higher education accrediting organization.-- S. Rich ( talk) 17:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid my vague tag on the michlist reference is buried in the footnote, so I'll add a notation here. What I'd like to know is what office in the State of Michigan is publishing the list. While the list says the bodies listed are not approved by US ED, e.g., DoE has approved bodies not on the michlist, who in Michigan is preparing the list and where does their info come from? Perhaps it comes from Wikipedia! If so, then it fails the WP:RS requirement to have a "reputation for fact-checking and accuracy." (Also, the latest rendition of the list is dated 8/13/2010.)-- S. Rich ( talk) 21:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Taking this one step further, I've looked at the Michlist and matched with wikilinked entities in the article. Based on info available in those articles, and using WP:COMMON to evaluate info gleaned from the entities themselves, I have WP:IAR to tag those particular entries as dubious.-- S. Rich ( talk) 23:14, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
And in further thinking about this, I see that Michlist has included various international or foreign bodies not approved by the US ED. But ED does not endeavor to evaluate any international or foreign bodies. (Probably they have no legal authority to do so.) If this is the case, then including any non-US institutions on this list simply because they are not ED (or CHEA) listed is improper synthesis. (Moreover, the Michlist fails as a RS.)-- S. Rich ( talk) 15:56, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Elsewhere on this page (to a limited extent) and more extensively at Talk:Accreditation mill and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 18#Category:Unrecognized accreditation associations, User:John J. Bulten has alluded to a perceived absence of inclusion criteria. I infer that his main concern is with this list article.
The current criteria for inclusion are described in the lead paragraph. Here are the relevant excerpts:
If sources conflict regarding the status of an organization -- for example, if the State of Michigan says it's an unrecognized accreditor but CHEA says it is recognized, then obviously the article editors need to make a judgment call or else annotate the listing about the conflict between sources. (In the example, I'd trust CHEA over the State of Michigan, but in most cases an annotation is appropriate.) However, if one source says it's an unrecognized accreditor but other sources have no information about it, it still belongs on the list.
Regarding entities that might not actually be engaged in accreditation, but appear on a reliably sourced list of unrecognized accreditors, a contributor's hunch that they might be falsely labeled is nothing more than original research, and not a reason to exclude them from the list. Additionally, it is not up to Wikipedia contributors to investigate the detailed story underlying a source's identification of an entity as an "unrecognized accreditor"; if there's a source that explains that the entity was falsely accused or otherwise documents the basis for a listing, that information belongs in the list (either in a text annotation or a footnote), but a lack of detailed background information is not a basis for removing an entity from the list.
One final comment: My own preference (based in part on my experience with Featured List Candidates) is for the inclusion criteria to appear at or near the end of the introductory section of a list article, rather than in the lead sentence. I think it is more effective to provide background information before stating the list inclusion criteria, rather than stating the criteria before giving the reader the background they need to understand what the criteria mean. User:Novaseminary disagrees with me on that point and created the current sequence in October. It appears to me that the change in the structure of the introduction reduced clarity regarding inclusion criteria; if others agree, I suggest that you take the matter up with Novaseminary. -- Orlady ( talk) 02:42, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
Is GetEducated.com article credible enough to be kept included in the discussed Wikipedia article as an RS? Francheese ( talk) 11:24, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
This is particularly for reference 15 citing the following article of geteducated.com
This is a source with no author name and no date of publishing and clearly fails the following policies of Wikipedia:
1. WP:SOURCES
The Wikipedia in its policy of “Reliable sources” (WP:SOURCES) defines what count as a reliable source by clearly mentioning:
“In general, the best sources have a professional structure in place for checking or analyzing facts, legal issues, evidence, and arguments; as a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny given to these issues, the more reliable the source.”
This source website page has just provided a list with the only logic that “NONE of these accrediting agencies are recognized as college accreditors in the U.S. by the Council on Higher Education Accreditation or the U.S. Department of Education”.
Firstly this logic of analyzing an accreditation body for fakeness will essentially turn all other countries accreditation bodies into fake accreditation mills as according to this only US accreditation bodies will be regarded as genuine. Secondly, no evidence or logic of how this list has been compiled is given. There is no argument, no scrutiny and nothing that could substantiate the presence or absence of a particular association from this list.
2. WP:NOTRELIABLE
The Wikipedia policy on questionable sources (WP:NOTRELIABLE) clearly define sources that are NOT reliable and questionable as below:
“Questionable sources are those with a poor reputation for checking the facts, or which lack meaningful editorial oversight, or those with an apparent conflict of interest.” The source qualifies completely on the above as there is no basis for checking the facts is given and apparently there is no meaningful editorial oversight in compiling this list. The geteducated.com website which is posing as a watchdog for education industry is taking large number of paid advertisements from education industry including for-profit online universities and colleges. Thus there is an obvious and apparent conflict of interest due to this revenue generation mechanism where total revenue is being generated from these very educational institutes. This makes this source highly questionable and unreliable.
3. WP:SELFPUBLISH
The other Wikipedia policy that describes unreliable sources is regarding Self-published sources (WP:SELFPUBLISH). This policy clearly states:
“For that reason, self-published media, such as books, patents, newsletters, personal websites, open wikis, personal or group blogs, Internet forum postings, and tweets, are largely not acceptable as sources. Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications.”
The source (geteducated.com) is a self-published website. Its content on the source web page is never published by any reliable third party publication. It is a commercial website purely aimed at marketing its sponsors and writing positive articles about them. There is no author name in any of their articles and hence it is impossible to determine whether the author is an expert or not however, it could be safely assumed that he is not as the site clearly avoided mentioning his name. This all points towards the fact that the source is from a self-published website.
4. WP:EXCEPTIONAL
This source is also in complete violation of Wikipedia policy that “Exceptional claims require exceptional sources”(WP:EXCEPTIONAL). The policy clearly states that:
“Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Red flags that should prompt extra caution include:
• surprising or apparently important claims not covered by multiple mainstream sources; • challenged claims that are supported purely by Primary or self-published sources or those with an apparent conflict of interest • reports of a statement by someone that seems out of character, or against an interest they had previously defended. • claims that are contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community, or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions, especially in science, medicine, history, politics, and biographies of living people. This is especially true when proponents say there is a Conspiracy to silence them.”
The geteducated.com source article has made an exceptional claim about the credibility of an association like IAO by calling it completely fake agency. This is a big shocking claim which is not covered by any mainstream source ever. It is only made by this self-published website having no author. This “exceptional claim” is not supported by even a single source let alone “exceptional sources” that are required to substantiate such a sweeping statement.
Due to the above this reference should be removed from the page and as a result all names based solely on this source should be removed. I appreciate if the arguments in favor or against are given by quoting specific Wikipedia policy as without that the whole purpose of creating policies will be defeated. ( Scorpiosame ( talk) 22:46, 17 October 2012 (UTC))
After going through the above argument as well as the mentioned links regarding reliability and verifiability of the Sources, following points came forward as per my understanding:
1. As per the Wikipedia’s description of a Reliable Source Wikipedia:BURDEN#What counts as a reliable source, following is the criteria for the reliability of an article:
After going through the Wikipedia page under discussion as well as the article on Geteducated.com, I have to agree with Scorpiosame on the point that the article does not contains any reliability; as it does not disclose any reference or factual backing to the claim about listed accreditation bodies to be unrecognized. If there is a source or evidence that backs the inclusion of the names of the various accreditation bodies, why is it not mentioned? If the reasons on which the names are included in the list were stated, only then the list in the GetEducated article can be justified. This raises a big concern on the reliability of Geteducated.com as a reliable source.
2. Another fact came into my notice while comparing the list on the Wikipedia page and the list on Get Educated.com. The list on the Wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_unrecognized_higher_education_accreditation_organizations has an extensive list of unrecognized accreditation bodies that are backed by other reliable sources, but majority of these names are not even mentioned in the Get Educated article quoted as a source. The omission of these other names puts another question mark on the reliability of Geteducated.com as a reliable source. Moreover, the list on the GetEducated.com is not updated or reviewed regularly since it was published. What if any accreditation body, which later is recognized by the relevant authorities and their name is still mentioned in the said list? Unless this list is maintained on a regular basis, it will become obsolete and no longer usable as a reliable source. Francheese ( talk) 12:16, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
-- S. Rich ( talk) 14:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
After careful research and consideration, the WP:RSVETTING checklist has been prepared which is as follows (Thanks to S.Rich for guiding towards the right way to put my point forward in the Wikipedia community):
The goal
The material
The author
As S.Rich has mentioned that Vicky Phillips, the founder of GetEducated.com, “has continuing activity or roles in the particular functions”, the question arises why is she so hesitant in citing her name in the article as the author and the person who carried out the research (which again has no applied procedure mentioned for) in light of which the list of the names mentioned has been prepared.
Similar is the case with the WCAX links.
The publication
Other
Francheese ( talk) 11:48, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Kindly discuss here on the talk page before reverting the changes. Francheese ( talk) 11:51, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I came in response to a request at WP:AN to close the discussion above. I have read most but not all of it. It's very long and I'm tired. My impression from reading the points and counterpoints and from looking at the website in dispute is that S. Rich and Orlady have the better arguments. I don't think the lack of a named author, or the failure of the author to update the article periodically, would suggest to anyone that the article is made up or otherwise unreliable. If I were researching this topic, I would want to know about the Get Educated website. On the basis of these general impressions, I would recommend a closure in favor of declaring the website a reliable source. However, since I am not an expert on disputes about whether a page is a relable source, I will make this only a recommended outcome, and will defer to the next person who may come along and overrule me. Chutznik ( talk) 05:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC)
References
Membership in the Agency shall be limited to institutions that offer instruction, assessment, and student services in the distance education field and are accredited by the WOEAC Accrediting Commission. The WOEAC Accrediting Commission may also accredit independent learning institutions. The World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) has been the standard-setting Accrediting Commission for correspondence study and distance education institutions including Ashwood University. Ashwood University has full accreditation status. Accredited by two recognized accreditation institutions, the World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) and the Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA). The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been the leading agency for distance education institutions since its inception. The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been providing accreditation to online universities since its inception. It was set up to improve educational standards and commercial practices of online universities that have sprung up in the last few decades. 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 18:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC) 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 18:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 17:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Accreditation is a non-governmental peer review process in which the integrity and good faith of an institution and its officers are essential. Membership in the Agency shall be limited to institutions that offer instruction, assessment, and student services in the distance education field and are accredited by the WOEAC Accrediting Commission. The WOEAC Accrediting Commission may also accredit independent learning institutions. The World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) has been the standard-setting Accrediting Commission for correspondence study and distance education institutions including Ashwood University. Ashwood University has full accreditation status. Accredited by two recognized accreditation institutions, the World Online Education Accrediting Commission (WOEAC) and the Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA). The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been the leading agency for distance education institutions since its inception. The Board of Online Universities Accreditation (BOUA) has been providing accreditation to online universities since its inception. It was set up to improve educational standards and commercial practices of online universities that have sprung up in the last few decades. 8.225.200.43 ( talk) 18:24, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
References
We need sources in order to add this one. Dougweller ( talk) 11:13, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
A couple of sources on naturopathy: [8] and [9] – ran into these while researching Clayton College. Dougweller ( talk) 11:15, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Ladies and Gentlemen in this discussion group of experts, pls, notice the following legal framework for HEBRG approval and HESA recognition and listing as Accrediting Body:
http://www.hesa.ac.uk/component/option,com_studrec/task,show_file/Itemid,233/mnl,12061/href,accreditation_guidance.html/ Version 1.1 Produced 2011-12-15 Professional, Statutory and Regulatory Bodies (PSRBs) and professional accreditation of undergraduate programmes
This is a statement from HEBRG (Higher Education Better Regulation Group). 1. The decision that the KIS should include information about accreditation by professional, statutory and regulatory bodies reflects the interests of students, as identified in the original research published by HEFCE, in having information about the professional bodies that recognise the course and hence about how the course might improve their employment prospects. However it is recognised that PSRB is an umbrella term for a very diverse group of organisations, including professional bodies, regulators and those with statutory authority over a profession or group of professionals. One of the roles of a PSRB may be to accredit programmes of higher education, either directly or through institutional accreditation.
2. 'Accreditation' is used in this context as a mark of assurance that the programme (or in some cases the institution as a whole) meets the standards set by the accrediting body. The outcome of a successful programme accreditation by a PSRB may include one or more of the following: a. graduates are able to practise as a professional in a specific field, and in some cases receive a license to practise that is required by law; b. graduates are granted chartered status; c. graduates are granted exemption from all or part of professional exams; d. graduates are eligible for entry to membership of a professional association or learned society; e. the programme is confirmed as meeting externally designated standards and quality.
3. There are many types of accreditation and processes vary widely, but they normally involve: a. external peer review; b. a definitive yes/no decision at the end of the accreditation process; c. a time delimited period of accreditation, with further review by the end of the accreditation period; d. regular monitoring of student performance.
4. Accreditation of programmes may be essential and required by law if the graduate is to be permitted to practice in their chosen profession, or it may more generally be considered a worthwhile exercise by the higher education provider in ensuring that the course meets professional needs and will improve the employment prospects of students. Whatever the aim of the accreditation, the PSRB should be committed to ensuring that its processes are not unduly burdensome and that they align with other sector-specific regulatory processes where they exist. Bodies are expected to adhere to the Principles of Better Regulation for Higher Education developed by the Higher Education Better Regulation Group (HEBRG).
5. Organisations that undertake accreditation of HE programmes and are identified through a KIS will be asked to provide relevant information on their own websites explaining in general terms the purposes of accreditation of higher educational programmes and the potential benefits to students.
6. The PSRBs currently recognised as eligible for inclusion in the KIS are listed in the List of accrediting bodies
7. There may also be other organisations, for example employers' representatives, not normally referred to as PSRBs and not involved in professional education; nevertheless they may undertake scrutiny of programmes with reference to industrial content or higher skills development that institutions would find valuable in informing prospective students and therefore wish to record in the KIS.
8. Such an organisation may be considered for acceptance onto the list of bodies eligible for inclusion in the KIS if it undertakes accreditation of higher education programmes that: a. results in all or most of the outcomes listed in paragraph 2; b. involves at least some of the processes listed in paragraph 3.
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Well well, as wordily pointed out here, the "Quality Assurance Commission" (QAC) really is listed within a " List of accrediting bodies".
According to this, QAC is based at "No. 4 The Rose Garden 14, Stour Way, Christchurch, BH23 2PF, England." A Google Street Map photo of the house next door but one doesn't look to me like the area where you'd find an accreditation agency. Does anyone here have evidence that QAC provides accreditation for anything other than degree mills?
As I look at the preamble for the "List of accrediting bodies", I don't see any sign of a quality check. Is this perhaps just a list of organizations that claim to be accrediting bodies, complete with the wording that each chooses to supply? (I really don't know: I see the term "nutrition", but I don't see either "holistic" or "complementary".) -- Hoary ( talk) 14:55, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
If the new Quality Assurance Commission (QAC) is officially recognized, you must remove from this list of unrecognized accreditation bodies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.136.158.170 ( talk) 07:42, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
I assume you are aware that QAC UK Limited has closed in 2010 and the new QAC registered in 2011 is engage in higher education programme accreditation not institutional accreditation like QAC UK Limited.
I assume that you also are aware that there is no official accreditation system for higher education in the UK. The new QAC is engage in programme accreditation and credit transfers recognition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 13:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
What do you really have against the IIU? I do not see the IIU and the like accredited by the new QAC of 2011. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 09:20, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
The new QAC has recognised the international and european programes of Azteca (foreign accredited university). QAC is not a degree awarding body. QAC will issue equivalency recognition. But are you aware as far as UK goes it is not illegal for foreign accredited institutions to offer thier own awards in the UK? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 12:34, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
So you are paid by someone? So wikipidia is a scam front? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 14:04, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
As dougweller put it ignore IIU, we are talking about the new QAC. IIU and BIU are not on their list.
We are talking about the new QAC whose status and mandate is very clear as an accrediting body and recognized per se by the new listing. You must face the truth and remove it from the list of bogus accrediting bodies connected with degree mills. Otherwise you are outdated and misleading the public.ש — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 00:13, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
What is really wrong with you Hoary? There is no whatsoever evidence that QAC was ever involved in institutional accreditation. QAC is engage in programme accreditation for credits. The fake online QAC letter also talk about programme credits. I will advise QAC to request BIU to remove it since clearly it has no programme accreditation standing with ẼQAC.
Are you aware anyone can set up an institution? Why are you playing "God" for any past mistakes?
For your information, for any discussion on IIU, please give me talk website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 09:22, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
Dear Hoary, Since you cannot let go IIU. Theses are the real facts on IIU university project. IIU is incorporated as an institute in Ireland in 2000, and registered itself as a foreign company in 2000 in Malaysia. The whole operation was from Malaysia from 2002 to 2008. It was actually a legal loophole out of Malaysian higher education laws. The actual founders of IIU university were not allow to register the institute in Malaysia (Jeff Wooller is not the founder nor hold any executive powers in IIU), the founders are all Asians. Ministry of Higher Education gave them an answer since is no native equality in the company, educational institutional be registered in the country. This 30% native equity ownership is not spell as a law on paper on the constitution but appear in the sub procedures of the ministry.
For your information, IIU was self-accredited. It operated via independent education providers in Africa and Asia . The programmes of education providers was accredited by QAC. QAC was set up to check the quality of the programme at education providers. Some colleges validated their courses from other unaccredited American universities for IIU degrees as it had better professional recognition and standing. One college was had a link with IIU in 2005 but no link in 2007 was doing student visa scam, the college claimed on its website to be linked with University of London and IIU. IIU was merely used as a scapegoat for all UK private colleges issue which todate is not solved.
For your information, IIU boss is not a director of QAC Limited. Angelia Saini did a real "frame up" on the IIU for a European award. She was asked to leave BBC and got married in India in 2008, now selling her stupid book. Since IIU no longer have providers, QAC is no longer involved with IIU. IIU became more a reserach and publication entity. The Irish company now became an institute, the foreign company now marketing degrees of accredited university. But the founders of IIU never gave up on the university project and will now be an accredited university in another country with a new education trust under a new name. IIU records have been achieved in 2010.
Get a life hoary, since 2008, I have already divorced two wives. Are they still my wifes? and for your information some can legally have 4 wives at the same timeÛ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 10:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
On Angelia Saini, "why I quit" is just a meant for people like you to believe her story. Well since 2008, she has no real job, a good "karma" for her.
If you need information on bodies pass out institutional higher education accreditation is ASIC. ASIC so-called recognition is for UKBA visa regulation of private college in the UK. They are now cashing in on overseas accredited and unaccredited universities. You will notice two unaccredited universities in their list. The accredited universities are misleading students that they are accredited by a real UK accreditation body for higher education. ASIC is are now member of CHEA international (you need to pay USD500), so unaccredited universities is moving to ASIC.
§ Petermicheljean ( talk) 00:23, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
Orlady what sources do Wikipedia need on ASIC, media?
Who gave Wikipedia the right? Is Wikipedia "thing" connected to the "Jewish" bullshit?
Sole purpose is to set QAC apart from QAC Limited. If you are not going to do that, let it be, the laugh is at your face.
ASIC purpose as an immigration regulation recognized company is also at your wikipidia.
Accreditation Service for International Colleges (ASIC) is a private accreditation body based in the United Kingdom. It is one of the accreditation bodies recognized by the UK Border Agency[1][2], permitting educational institutions with ASIC accreditation to sponsor Tier 4 immigrants to study in the UK.[3]
ASIC states that its accreditation of international educational establishments "neither confers nor validates degree-awarding powers" and cautions prospective students to confirm that the awards granted by the educational institution have the level of recognition sufficient for their purposes. [4]
You should contact ASIC mentor, שGeoffrey Alderman "the so-called jewish bullshit mouth piece on accreditation" in the UK. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Petermicheljean ( talk • contribs) 10:16, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Another user has added IADL to this list, based on a statement on their website that says "We have no affiliation with any local, regional or national government body." That statement, by itself, is not sufficient to qualify them as an "unrecognized higher education accreditation organization," but I think this needs to be discussed.
The IADL does offer an approval process, which it calls "accreditation", but its website states that only institutions that are already properly accredited can be "accredited members" of IADL: "International Association for Distance Learning is only able to accredit universities or degree-granting institutions which are licensed or approved by national or regional government or are already accredited by a nationally or internationally recognised organisation or body. Tertiary-level institutions which do not appear on the List of Universities of the World Higher Education Database will not normally be considered for Accredited Membership of the IADL." [11]
I confess that I can't keep all these outfits straight in my head. Is IADL stepping outside its claimed scope and accrediting institutions that otherwise lack approval?
If IADL belongs on this list (and I have a hunch that it does), the entry needs to be annotated to document what they are -- and what they aren't. -- Orlady ( talk) 14:44, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure i understood the including or exclusion for this article. So here's my question:
Currently, the Association for Comprehensive Energy Psychology (ACEP) is listed in this article. on their website they write: "It is with tremendous pleasure that we announce to you that ACEP has been approved by the American Psychological Association to be a provider of CE credit for psychologists and that we can provide CE credit for our programs in Energy Psychology effective Nov 11, 2012." [13]
The American Psychological Association Does list them on APA Approved Sponsors of Continuing Professional Education [14]
Is this relevant to this article? 109.66.128.60 ( talk) 01:25, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
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Unaccredited Accrediting Orgs: Who Accredits the Accrediting Orgs? I surmise that various governmental agencies end up with that de facto role. ( PeacePeace ( talk) 22:12, 18 July 2016 (UTC))
I would like someone more experienced to comment on whether this organization should be added to the list: http://www.iaaos.org/ One indicator that this is not a recognized organization is that none of the people they list as representatives on global chapters, can be found by googling and a lot of them have PhDs so I expect they should be listed as alumni in respective universities.
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