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'( why didn't he retire after 1 more fight. a 50 win looks so much better than 49. and then he would be in front of Marciano. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2001:8A0:6A67:C01:8CEC:C7EB:C86E:AFE6 (
talk) 16:39, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
2 loses on Floyd? What is the basis for such a claim. Floyd not only has no losses, he also has no draws either. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2607:FCC8:ABC7:7800:CBD:3F34:9BC6:6AD6 (
talk) 12:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)reply
This issue has been done to death at boxing articles
without result. Including them is most definitely not the standard. In the above articles, athletes explicitly represent nationalities. In professional boxing, one fighter can be German/Armenian/Welsh/Russian/Martian/Neptunian/any flag he happens to feel like. Hence
MOS:FLAG#Consistency is not paramount and thereby
MOS:SPORTFLAGS. Flags haven't been included in this article since its creation in 2013.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 12:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
It's pretty hard to find a list of champions that doesn't have flags. It's the defining point of almost every person on wikipedia. And do you see the image at the top of this talk page? When you look him up, the lead text is as follows:
"Maximillian Adolph Otto Siegfried "Max" Schmeling was a German boxer who was heavyweight champion of the world between 1930 and 1932. His two fights with Joe Louis in 1936 and 1938 were worldwide cultural events because of their national associations."
I point to
WP:NOCONSENSUS (bullet #2), in that something as contentuous as flags should not be introduced to a long-stable article version.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 13:02, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
And I will emphasise that flags are certainly not universal across WP, whether or not examples are hard to find.
MMA record tables have been strictly without flagicons since 2011, and in
professional boxing record tables the WP:NOCONSENSUS result from 2015 was to retain them if they were originally in place, but to refrain from introducing them if they were not. Granted, this list is not a record table, but it is related to professional boxing and very much encompasses the same issue regarding flagicons.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 13:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
If they play a national anthem then nationality is considered important in the sport. In this case, flags literally add information to the article that was not there before. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
46.226.49.228 (
talk) 13:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
National anthems have nothing to do with this. Not all professional boxing events play them—that's the amateurs, where nationalities are explicitly represented. In pros, they're not. Someone can hold a pro licence from one country, represent another, be born in another, and "feel in his heart" another three more. And if you keep reverting without resolution on here first, I'll be happy to join you at
WP:DRN.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 13:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
A "long-stable article version"? You've auto-reverted 8 people in the last year alone. Also, the reason it's not edited much is because nobody views it (it struggles to get 400 views per day (
List of current world boxing champions gets more than 10 times that). I've recently made this page a bit more visible, so let's leave it some time and see if it's as contentious as you claim it is. MMA has nothiong to do with this.
Also, looking throught your links, it's been noted by others that you employ bullying and ownership tactics, and then hide bhind acronyms and accusations. So here's what we will do: you won't start an edit war, we will both leave the article alone, and see what other editors think. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
46.226.49.228 (
talk) 08:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)reply
"So here's what we will do..." You're ordering me to do something? Please. Here's what I'll do: open up a discussion at
WP:DRN, and probably later at
WT:MOSICON if need be. Then, what you'll do is join me at DRN, and we'll have a nice ol' discussion without all this edit warring.
And so I use acronyms a lot—they're quicker to type, I've used them for a decade, and they go to the locations needed. Your accusations of bullying are noted with keen interest, and I'll be sure to bring up something as repugnant as acronym use regarding acceptable user conduct—that being yours, not mine.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 16:23, 7 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Mayweather
So, the question remains, if Mayweather loses this month, will we delete him from the table, or just delete one of his rows? Maybe leave it intact, since he didn't lose while he was champion? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.64.24.69 (
talk) 19:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Michele Aboro
Held the
WIBF super bantamweight title from 2000 to 2001; WIBF was one of the major world titles available to women at a time when the big four did not sanction female bouts. —
2.
O.
Boxing 07:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)reply
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'( why didn't he retire after 1 more fight. a 50 win looks so much better than 49. and then he would be in front of Marciano. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2001:8A0:6A67:C01:8CEC:C7EB:C86E:AFE6 (
talk) 16:39, 24 October 2015 (UTC)reply
2 loses on Floyd? What is the basis for such a claim. Floyd not only has no losses, he also has no draws either. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2607:FCC8:ABC7:7800:CBD:3F34:9BC6:6AD6 (
talk) 12:44, 9 September 2019 (UTC)reply
This issue has been done to death at boxing articles
without result. Including them is most definitely not the standard. In the above articles, athletes explicitly represent nationalities. In professional boxing, one fighter can be German/Armenian/Welsh/Russian/Martian/Neptunian/any flag he happens to feel like. Hence
MOS:FLAG#Consistency is not paramount and thereby
MOS:SPORTFLAGS. Flags haven't been included in this article since its creation in 2013.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 12:59, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
It's pretty hard to find a list of champions that doesn't have flags. It's the defining point of almost every person on wikipedia. And do you see the image at the top of this talk page? When you look him up, the lead text is as follows:
"Maximillian Adolph Otto Siegfried "Max" Schmeling was a German boxer who was heavyweight champion of the world between 1930 and 1932. His two fights with Joe Louis in 1936 and 1938 were worldwide cultural events because of their national associations."
I point to
WP:NOCONSENSUS (bullet #2), in that something as contentuous as flags should not be introduced to a long-stable article version.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 13:02, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
And I will emphasise that flags are certainly not universal across WP, whether or not examples are hard to find.
MMA record tables have been strictly without flagicons since 2011, and in
professional boxing record tables the WP:NOCONSENSUS result from 2015 was to retain them if they were originally in place, but to refrain from introducing them if they were not. Granted, this list is not a record table, but it is related to professional boxing and very much encompasses the same issue regarding flagicons.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 13:14, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
If they play a national anthem then nationality is considered important in the sport. In this case, flags literally add information to the article that was not there before. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
46.226.49.228 (
talk) 13:18, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
National anthems have nothing to do with this. Not all professional boxing events play them—that's the amateurs, where nationalities are explicitly represented. In pros, they're not. Someone can hold a pro licence from one country, represent another, be born in another, and "feel in his heart" another three more. And if you keep reverting without resolution on here first, I'll be happy to join you at
WP:DRN.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 13:22, 6 July 2017 (UTC)reply
A "long-stable article version"? You've auto-reverted 8 people in the last year alone. Also, the reason it's not edited much is because nobody views it (it struggles to get 400 views per day (
List of current world boxing champions gets more than 10 times that). I've recently made this page a bit more visible, so let's leave it some time and see if it's as contentious as you claim it is. MMA has nothiong to do with this.
Also, looking throught your links, it's been noted by others that you employ bullying and ownership tactics, and then hide bhind acronyms and accusations. So here's what we will do: you won't start an edit war, we will both leave the article alone, and see what other editors think. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
46.226.49.228 (
talk) 08:29, 7 July 2017 (UTC)reply
"So here's what we will do..." You're ordering me to do something? Please. Here's what I'll do: open up a discussion at
WP:DRN, and probably later at
WT:MOSICON if need be. Then, what you'll do is join me at DRN, and we'll have a nice ol' discussion without all this edit warring.
And so I use acronyms a lot—they're quicker to type, I've used them for a decade, and they go to the locations needed. Your accusations of bullying are noted with keen interest, and I'll be sure to bring up something as repugnant as acronym use regarding acceptable user conduct—that being yours, not mine.
Mac Dreamstate (
talk) 16:23, 7 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Mayweather
So, the question remains, if Mayweather loses this month, will we delete him from the table, or just delete one of his rows? Maybe leave it intact, since he didn't lose while he was champion? — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
79.64.24.69 (
talk) 19:51, 8 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Michele Aboro
Held the
WIBF super bantamweight title from 2000 to 2001; WIBF was one of the major world titles available to women at a time when the big four did not sanction female bouts. —
2.
O.
Boxing 07:13, 3 December 2019 (UTC)reply