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Now that it's been a couple of weeks since the article survived its second AfD, I suppose it was inevitable that someone would make a unilateral decision to eviscerate it once again. I reverted ElKevBo's removal of all institutions that do not currently have articles. If people want to make radical changes like that, at a minimum, let's discuss them first.
I note an unacceptable degree of circular reasoning in the arguments of the Wikipedians who are determined to delete this article or remove most of its contents. Note that many of those schools had articles at one time, but the articles were deleted with the rationale (in part) that the schools are on this list. Further note that just a few weeks ago, many schools (including schools with well-sourced articles) were removed from this list because the list did not separately cite sources indicating that the schools are unaccredited. Shortly thereafter, we saw proposals to delete the article, for reasons that included the fact that it list only a small fraction of unaccredited institutions. If I did not assume good faith, I might have to conclude that some of the editors who continually propose deletion of articles about unaccredited institutions are themselves affiliated with diploma mills.
EkKevbo, I remind you of the comments that Prodego made to you at User talk:ElKevbo#List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning:
This list (we must remember this is a list, not a true article) contains information that while not conventionally obtained, still has its value. We do have articles on many of these institutions, and as a central source to find them all, this list is useful. ...The discussion indicates a want for this resource.
As Bill Huffman discovered and reported recently, this list has real value within Wikipedia, as well as in the real world. Let's work together to build it and improve the article base regarding unaccredited institutions, not work against each other by dismantling one another's work on a regular basis. -- orlady 23:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Is Dr. Jihad: The crusading life of Islam ‘expert’ Robert Morey (page 1) a source suitable for an encyclopedia to establish that an institution is unaccredited? The editorial is not on accrediation, it is a diatriabe that mentions Bob Morey claims a non-esistent degree from Louisiana Baptist University. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Headdream ( talk • contribs) 04:04, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
It looks as though the government of South Korea is using this wikipedia article to decide degrees it will reject. [1]. Either that, or it is a hoax. The .com makes me think it could be a hoax. Headdream 04:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The link you pointed to says that they are a private job placement company that places English teachers in South Korean schools. They don't claim to be part of the government. Regards, Bill Huffman 06:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
BTW, WAUC is probably the most famous non-wonderful accreditation agency there ever was. Maxine Asher is the self proclaimed leading world expert on the lost continent of Atlantis [2] and uses WAUC to accredit her own non-wonderful school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bill Huffman ( talk • contribs) 06:08, August 23, 2007 (UTC). TallMagic 17:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This was big news on August 31, 2007 and the week following. I see this article is still not up to date on the landmark victory for religious schools to be able to grant religious degrees -- not academic ones -- without secular accrediting. Our school and other Texas seminaries were still listed in this article even though the Texas State website removed us after the Supreme Court's decision that requiring schools who grant only religious degrees to be accredited via a State's higher education accrediting board violates the First Amendment.
The Houston Chronicle reported: Court: Texas law intrudes on religious freedom AP, via the Houston Chronicle, USA Aug. 31, 2007 Kelley Shannon http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5099314.html
AUSTIN — The Texas Supreme Court reversed lower court decisions today and ruled that state restrictions on what unaccredited religious institutions can call themselves and their education training violate the First Amendment.
The court said banning an institution like the Tyndale Theological Seminary in Fort Worth from using the term “seminary” in its name violates the Constitution.
Three religious organizations waged the legal fight. Tyndale, one of the schools, was cited in 1998 for violating a law that requires seminaries to be accredited and prevents unaccredited institutions from awarding degrees. It was fined $173,000 by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board.
Plano-based Liberty Legal Institute represented the schools and argued before the court in 2005 that the state has no business regulating how pastors are trained.
State law requires institutions to meet certain standards if they call themselves a college, university or seminary. The court ruled that the law as it pertains to seminaries intrudes upon religious freedom.
“This decision is a huge victory for all seminaries not only in Texas but nationwide,” said Kelly Shackelford, the institute chief counsel. “Seminaries are going to now be free to be seminaries … The shackles are off.”
The case is not about secular teaching and degrees, but about purely theological education, he said. Shackelford said the ruling means the plaintiffs can try to recover attorneys’ fees incurred in the case.
The Texas Attorney General’s Office represented the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board and told the court that the state law aims not to regulate religion but only the quality of post-secondary education in Texas.
The law was written to crack down on degree mills that issue certificates but require little or no coursework.
The Attorney General’s Office had no immediate comment on the ruling. Stephanie Elsea, spokeswoman for the Higher Education Coordinating Board, said the ruling could have “far-reaching'’ implications but that the board would withhold further comment until it has time to review the entire decision.
Under the law, the Tyndale seminary, operated by HEB Ministries Inc., was fined for issuing 34 degrees without the coordinating board’s approval.
Tyndale was founded in the early 1990s to offer biblical education for those entering the ministry in churches and missions. By 1999 it had a small campus and enrollment of 300 to 350 students, with most of those taking correspondence courses, the court opinion states.
The Southern Bible Institute in Dallas and the Hispanic Bible Institute in San Antonio joined in the suit seeking to overturn the fines and the law.
For those of you well versed in legalese, here is the complete TX Supreme Court Decision of Aug 31, 3007, explaining how requiring religious schools to be accredited by the state violates the First Amendment of the US Constituion (aka "the establishment clause")
http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/historical/2007/aug/030995.pdf
It's time this article removed religious schools UNLESS they are illegally granting secular or academic degrees such as the Bible colleges not removed from Texas' Higher Education website.
Remember that 28 states and now Texas makes 29 states, offer the religious exemption from the accreditig process. This List article's Main Article on Unaccredited Institutions explains that when it rightly says certain religious schools specifically choose NOT to be accredited or to even entertain the concept. Schools such as ours with IRS 501c3 status and Degree Granting Authority (DGA) from our state do not belong in lists that are 98% fraudulent diploma mills -- as we argued with Wikipedia editors on this very page back in June of this year. See above section on Esoteric Theological Seminary.
Here is the Connecticut State website that gives the list of 28 States offering the religious exemption: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0023.htm
It is libelous to keep religious schools with legal degree granting authority in their states (DGA) listed with illegal diploma mills on Wikipedia. We work hard and don't deserve the taint just because we are not academically accredited. Of course we are not, we are not an academic institution, but a religious one. We do not grant academic degrees, only religious degrees and those are only granted to OUR OWN ordained ministers of our legally incorporated non-profit church. In our case, we grant less than 20 degrees per year, yet because of a disgruntled former minister, ended up on this Wikipedia list article. Our alumni are not happy with being listed here and organizations like the South Korean one mentioned above in Talk, copying this webpage and preserving it elsewhere on the Internet. It makes sense to include unaccredited religious schools that really aren't religious schools but just hiding behind religion, using the name Seminary or Bible College to be able to grant academic degrees. But only if they are illegally granting academic degrees. No school should on here if it is LEGALLY granting religious degrees and is non-accredited by choice and via religious exemption. KatiaRoma 05:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
If you persist in singling us out, and Tyndale, then why don't you list all of these religious schools who are unaccredited by choice http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=offering+unaccredited+religious+degrees&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Why are none of the above schools on your list? Are you going to make me add each and every one of them just as the slanderous libelous ex-minister of our church added us back in June? He got us on your list and now you won't remove us. Let's see if schools like Cherry Hill Seminary (a pagan seminary) and Interfaith Theological Seminary (similar to our school) appreciate being listed on Wikipedia along with diploma mills. Tyndale and all schools granting religious degrees need to be contacted and told there are Wikipedia editors who INSIST on associating them fraudulent institutions. Just last week a blogger totally unknown to us used your list as "proof" to condemn us as illegal and fraudulent. I am tempted to remove us from your list again, but will instead put the parenthetical clause back that I think Orlady removed months ago, that we are legally granting religious degrees. Tyndale needs to come and add the link to the Supreme Court decision and remove the 2003 link you persist in leaving up of Christianity Today's 2003 article describing the huge fine Texas slapped onto Tyndale. The fine was overthrown, put up the NEW news articles, the 2007 ones as I included above that vindicated Tyndale. Other seminaries on this list, including all the ones from the google search I may end up having to add, will have to come here and add parentheticals that they are unaccredited yes, but BY CHOICE and by religious exemption are actually non-accredited, not unaccredited. If flooded with other religious degree granting schools like ours your list will no longer serve to help students trying to avoid academic degree scams, but will look like a list of religious schools unaccredited because they aren't fundamentalist Christian that happens to have a few fraudulent diploma mills mixed in. There are dozens of schools like ours, dozens. They proclaim themselves unaccredited right on their own websites, so we can reference their unaccredited status to meet Wikipedia standards. I have a bigger list than the quick google search above. If you do not stop singling us out and insisting we stay on your list, I will be forced to add them all. Those numerous unaccredited religiou degree-granting schools along with ours appearing in this Wikipedia list article will dilute the whole purpose of your Wikipedia article. Or do I misunderstand your purpose? Are you here to annoy religious degree granting schools, make us suffer the taint of being lumped in with diploma mills without so much as an explanatory sentence to that effect? Or are you here to warn potential students about "ordering an academic degree" from an unaccredited institution posing as a legit school? If the latter, it doesn't make any sense to leave us and all the other religious schools in. KatiaRoma 06:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
This list is in fact an "non accredited list of unaccredited institutions" of higher education. As I was black listed by talk magic, I justed wanted to add as a precaution stating that the list is not legally binding. The source is mostly an obscure office of the State of Oregon, which have no jurisdiction on the other 49 US states and on the whole world. I insist that this reality should be clearly stated for the image and seriousness of Wikipedia. Also offending words and non documented libelous allegations should be removed. I noticed in the list that the author include one university cited by the State of Oregon but not listed by the Michigan and maine list. It proves really that this list is misleading and biased.
Hoping that "talk magic" and others would prevent me to go to higher level of the institution to complain about it, as I like wikipedia when it is fair..and scientific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerovital1 ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This article currently states: "Due to the dynamic nature of many unaccredited institutions, there can never be a complete list of unaccredited institutions. Therefore one cannot draw conclusions regarding the status of an institution based on not finding it in this list." I propose adding the following two sentences with two government website citations/references.
Just as the absence of an institution from this list should not imply anything about its status, so also the presence of an institution on this list should not lead to any conclusions about the status of its accreditation or lack thereof. For example, many religious colleges and seminaries are unaccredited by choice and/or are legally exempt [1] from licensing and accreditation as allowed by thirty of the fifty United States, twenty-eight of which are listed in this state government report. [2]
I will wait for some input from other editors before adding these two sourced sentences. This article also states, "Revisions and sourced additions are welcome." This is my idea for a clarifying short revision, and I have a list of 20 institutions (and growing) of sourced additions that can be added. Most of the schools I am adding are technically not unaccredited but are exempt from accreditation in their various states. Some editors here have decided that exempt from accreditation equals unaccredited. That definition is being "enforced" here even though the State of Oregon's website, whom editors of this article source repeatedly, uses the exact phrase, "Religious Exempt Schools" on said website. As I contemplate adding all these Bible Colleges and Seminaries that confer unaccredited degrees, doing to them what was done to us (cause them to appear on a webpage with fraudulent degree-granters) I am reminded again of the Wikipedia policy that Wikipedia List articles should only contain items on them which also have Wikipedia articles of their own. This proves their notability. All the red colored institutions on this list were once removed by you ElKevbo per this policy, but put back by Orlady. It is discussed above in Talk this past June, yet no real consensus was reached, rather the conclusion seems to have been inconclusive. Our religious-only-degrees institution, the University of Esoterica, does not have a Wikipedia article, yet appears on this List article. In June of this year one of our alumni in Germany put up a short factual non-opinionated Wikipedia article on our school. It was quickly attacked by other Wikipedia editors and removed within 24 hours. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't -- and forced to adhere to an unyielding black and white "letter of the law" more kin with fundamentalist fanaticism than the open-minded liberalistic consensus-driven Wikipedia. KatiaRoma 04:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a statement in the beginning about religious exemptions. If anyone is interested it may be discussed further here. TallMagic 00:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
On 20 October 2007 Orlady made the following two edits: (Converted Success Seminary to a hidden comment. Only Ghits on it are "unaccredited lists." No point in merely replicating those lists with entries that have no independent value.) 20 October 2007 Orlady (remove Promis (I'm uncomfortable listing a school on the Oregon list unless there's some other info about it somewhere); consolidated several reference callouts)
If anyone can read Swedish, this may be informative: http://web2.hsv.se/publikationer/rapporter/2005/0525R.pdf -- Orlady ( talk) 01:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning&action=edit# —
I expect to add to this list
-- Orlady ( talk) 00:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is Greenleaf University missing from this list? Kalos53 ( talk) 05:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Orlady has been selectively removing entries of American institutions from this list. Kindly do not do this. Either remove all unsourced and undocumented entries in one go, or let the list remain. No partial tampering is admissible The Hermes ( talk) 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The approval/accreditation status of this school is disputed. Its listing in this article was sourced to the Indian UGC fake universities list. Since it does not currently appear on that list, it should not be listed in the article. Furthermore, http://www.education.nic.in/collegedir/collegedir.asp appears to indicate that it is an approved university in India. Apparently some contributors believe it is unapproved. What is the basis for this? -- Orlady ( talk) 16:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I used <strike> on Kentucky Christian University because the article states it is accredited. I won't remove it from the list because it is sourced, but someone should look at it. And whatever other ones are striken. -- SEWilco ( talk) 04:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
So the unaccredited one should be on the list too. Does the list need a special section for ambiguously names institutions? Or merely a footnote? 173.3.77.161 ( talk) 15:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Westminster International Varsity and Corporation of Executives and Administrators, located in Whetstone, London, England - WIV ffers life experience degrees. WIV website claims that "Varsity" is an informal traditional short name for "University", but fails to point out that use of the word "university" is restricted under UK law. Claims to be "registered as Limited by Shares with Liability in Great Britain" and "recognised and accepted by European Professional Bodies, Training Institutions and Employers Internationally". Also affiliated with European Continental University of Delaware and UK Commission for Consistent Learning (an alleged accreditor), apparently all at the same address. World Information Distributed University and Commonwealth Open University apparently claim accreditation from the UK Commission for Consistent Learning. -- Orlady ( talk) 18:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
California Graduate Institute has merged with the Chicago school, and now has its accreditation. I've removed it from the article. -- Duncan ( talk) 12:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
American Pacific University is no longer in the ODA list of unaccredited institutions. TallMagic ( talk) 04:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I just now removed the following:
Refs cited are college's website and LTD registration UK, founded in 2004.
I think it's pretty evident that they aren't accredited, but neither of these sources explicitly says "unaccredited." The accreditation page on their website (click on the link in the website menu) lists several non-accreditation recognitions and says they are "undergoing state accreditation procedure by the Ministry of Education in South America." (Gosh, I must need more education! I never knew that South America was a country!)
I hope that a source can be found for this one. -- Orlady ( talk) 01:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm adding Paul Quinn College since it lost its accredidation. The article referenced in the Paul Quinn College Wikipedia page should be good enough. Naraht ( talk) 15:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I have deleted European University from this list, European University is accredited by ACBSP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimbal007 ( talk • contribs) 09:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
If you check the website ACBSP under accredited list, they have listed four (4) EU campuses.
The programs are the same in all the campuses, there is no need to visit all of them, time consuming and money wasting.
It took 5+ years for this process to be concluded, now it is time to give them credit. In 2010. two more accrediting bodys are making a final decision on this University, so far news are good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimbal007 ( talk • contribs) 12:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand this debate.
If you check ACBSP website here:
http://www.acbsp.org/index.php?mo=st&op=ld&sid=s1_025about&stpg=141
You can clearly see the TITLE: Current ACBSP Educational Institution Members
It’s about Institutions.
Then there are columns:
TYPE (what type of degree Institution offers)
ACCREDITED (Current status, Yes, No, Candidacy).
It cannot be clearer, European University is accredited. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Snowandflow (
talk •
contribs) 13:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
It appears to me that European University is now accredited -- at least sufficiently accredited that it no longer belongs on this list. The institution only offers business programs, so its business-school programmatic accreditation presumably covers all of its programs. However, I would not go so far as to call it an "accredited university" due to the apparent absence of recognition from government authorities in countries where it operates. -- Orlady ( talk) 15:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
My opinion is that removing EU from the list is probably the best course. Details about ACBSP accreditation and what it may mean should not be a concern of this list. It should instead be covered in the EU article. Regards, TallMagic ( talk) 16:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I would like to echo the call at the top of this page, for discussion of just what this article is supposed to encompass. Specifically, there being a number of different forms of "accreditation" or "recognition," what exactly are we using for this page? And how can we ensure consistency across international borders?
For example, Atlantic University in Virginia Beach is not regionally accredited, but "nationally" accredited (by the Distance Education and Training Council). Granting that this is not as good, at least this does carry some advantages, and the DETC is recognized by the US Dept of Education for certain limited purposes. Should they be on the list or not? What about schools with licensure (permission to do business) from U.S. states? Isn't that a sort of government recognition? (Regional accreditation, remember, is not governmental at all, but comes from private consortia of universities.)
In many countries (e.g. South Africa), there is no such thing as "accreditation," but universities receive some sort of charter. In others (e.g., Congo), there are no meaningful laws governing the recognition of universities and their degrees. How can we compare schools operating under such widely-differing conditions? I don't think we can--it would be more appropriate to separate the entries by country or region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.165.204.116 ( talk) 05:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Accredibase.com popped up in the introductory paragraph a few days ago. I moved it to the external references. In e-mail correspondence with them, I received the following: "Dear srich32977, Accredibase is a membership based service for corporations, law enforcement agencies and educational institutions. We do not offer personal memberships at this stage. Hope this helps, Eyal P.S Did you read our new Accredibase Report, exposing academic credential abuse? Free download from www.accredibase.com Eyal Ben Cohen Managing Director Direct line +44 1234 834667 Mobile +44 7904 308287 Email ebc@verifile.co.uk Verifile Limited Bedford i-Lab, Stannard Way Priory Business Park, Bedford MK44 3RZ, United Kingdom Tel. +44 1234 834670 Fax +44 1234 834671 Checking Facts Building Trust www.verifile.co.uk" With the above in mind, I'm going to revise the external links entry to reflect the info provided even though it is unverified. --S. Rich 14:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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Please remove the link of "Berne University" (USA) to the "University of Bern" (Switzerland). If you take a look at the Reference [6], the unaccredited institution is the Berne University Pennsylvania, St. Kitts, Virginia and not the University of Bern, Switzerland.
{{ editsemiprotected}} I want to be able to take the name of the Illinois Theological Seminary from this list, because its presence in this list is prejudicial and damaging to our reputation, as this article make a reference a fraud at its beginning. Although we have chosen not be accredited we are not fraudulent. So please take the name of the "Illinois Theological Seminary" of this list so we don't need to further no action against this horrible discrimination against unaccredited schools.
Valdirsoares ( talk) 23:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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Pleasew withdraw the mention of Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon in the liast of inaccredited request.
The école suypérieure Robert de Sorbon contrary to what is written is;
a registered french Institution of Higher Education with the SIREN Number E478 817 059 since 2004. With publication at the Journal Officiel of the French republic #20040039-1669
It as the right as per Title III Book VII of the Code of education to grant Degreein france.
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--S. Rich ( talk) 05:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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Calvary Baptist Bible College in King, NC should be added to this list.
http://www.cbbcs-king.com/
98.16.17.124 ( talk) 04:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move as proposed, per the result of related move request. These should have been bundled requests. Orlady ( talk) 18:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning →
List of unaccredited institutions of higher education — Please see the discussion for this and a related move at
Talk:Unaccredited institutions of higher learning#Requested move. Thank you. Relisted.
Arbitrarily0 (
talk) 14:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
Novaseminary (
talk) 02:28, 6 October 2010 (UTC)
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Please add New Renaissance Florence International Film School in the list of unaccredited institutions of higher learning.
This film school is under Italian Police investigation. Please contact our Italian lawyer, Alberto Chiarini at alberto.chiarini1@tin.it for details.
Thank you.
88.39.41.138 (
talk) 11:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following ELs (pasted below exactly as they were in the article) because they are either not directly related to unaccedited institutions (the accreditation databases), they do not provide anything more than the list itself would, they are commercial, they are already cited as refernces, or they violate some other aspect of
WP:ELNO, and generally
WP:NOTDIRECTORY. If other eds feel that ELs, especially of this volume, should be included here, I propose that they all be submitted to
Open Directory Project and a
Template:DMOZ link be added to the to-be-created DMOZ directory.>
Novaseminary ( talk) 21:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Re: Providence Christian College 1) Please change "Ontario, California" to "Pasadena, California" [the college moved in July 2010] 2) Please change footnote 129 to read "... Providence is a candidate for accreditation with the Western Association of Schools and Colleges." 3) Please add parenthetical after "Providence Christian College, Pasadena, California": "(Est. 2005, candidate for accreditation with WASC)" Many thanks, J. Derek Halvorson President Providence Christian College Derekhalvorson ( talk) 18:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Please add: Calamus Extention College (UK) ( http://www.unicalamus.org/)
Done. It's clear from the Calamus website that this is part of the same outfit. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Please add: Vocalist International Distance Learning Academy (AKA VIDLA) (UK) http://www.unicalamus.org/brochure_contemporary_voice.htm
Done. It's clear from the Calamus website that this is part of the same entity. I added it to the Calamus entry. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Please add Musicians Intitute (AKA Musicians Institute College of Contemporary Music), Hollywood CA. ( http://www.mi.edu) This is a private business. Not regionally accredited, but gives degrees.
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Re: Please add Los Angeles Music Academy (AKA Los Angeles Music Academy Music College) ( http://www.lamusicacademy.edu/) This is a private business. Not regionally accredited, but gives degrees.
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Please remove the Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon or add the following as The Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon a French private institution of higher education which was created in 2004 is authorized to grant degrees as per Article L-731-14 of the French code of Education. It is registered French institution of Higher education under #0862003720 with publication at the Journal Officiel de la République Française #20040039-1669
Cdelafaide (
talk) 01:24, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
{{edit semi-protected}} Additional school for listing needing to be added:
96.27.145.236 ( talk) 04:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC
{{edit semi-protected}} Some unaccredited universities in Iraq added to the list like: Rafidain College University, and Arabian-American University.
109.224.23.248 ( talk) 11:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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Please remove the link of "Berne University" (USA) to the "University of Bern" (Switzerland). If you take a look at the Reference [6], the unaccredited institution is the Berne University Pennsylvania, St. Kitts, Virginia and not the University of Bern, Switzerland.
Both of these claim accreditation by "Education Accreditation Council of America (EACOA)" -- eacoa.org (domain registration same as for calsuni.org, described below).
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Tallygraft (
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Valor Christian College
http://www.valorcollege.com/Pages/23-frequently-asked-questions
Just found out this college is not credited. People should know this. Thanks
MORRIS BROWN COLLEGE ATLANTA, GA IS IN CANDACY FOR ACCREDITATION THROUGH TRANSITIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS(TRACS)AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST IMMEDIATELY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.3.240 ( talk) 21:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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Ouachita Hills College - unaccreditted college, which also serves as a tutorial center for
Griggs University, not changing the fact that it is still unaccreditted.
Weimar College - straight up unaccreditted school.
24.180.120.72 (
talk) 20:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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Now that it's been a couple of weeks since the article survived its second AfD, I suppose it was inevitable that someone would make a unilateral decision to eviscerate it once again. I reverted ElKevBo's removal of all institutions that do not currently have articles. If people want to make radical changes like that, at a minimum, let's discuss them first.
I note an unacceptable degree of circular reasoning in the arguments of the Wikipedians who are determined to delete this article or remove most of its contents. Note that many of those schools had articles at one time, but the articles were deleted with the rationale (in part) that the schools are on this list. Further note that just a few weeks ago, many schools (including schools with well-sourced articles) were removed from this list because the list did not separately cite sources indicating that the schools are unaccredited. Shortly thereafter, we saw proposals to delete the article, for reasons that included the fact that it list only a small fraction of unaccredited institutions. If I did not assume good faith, I might have to conclude that some of the editors who continually propose deletion of articles about unaccredited institutions are themselves affiliated with diploma mills.
EkKevbo, I remind you of the comments that Prodego made to you at User talk:ElKevbo#List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning:
This list (we must remember this is a list, not a true article) contains information that while not conventionally obtained, still has its value. We do have articles on many of these institutions, and as a central source to find them all, this list is useful. ...The discussion indicates a want for this resource.
As Bill Huffman discovered and reported recently, this list has real value within Wikipedia, as well as in the real world. Let's work together to build it and improve the article base regarding unaccredited institutions, not work against each other by dismantling one another's work on a regular basis. -- orlady 23:13, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
Is Dr. Jihad: The crusading life of Islam ‘expert’ Robert Morey (page 1) a source suitable for an encyclopedia to establish that an institution is unaccredited? The editorial is not on accrediation, it is a diatriabe that mentions Bob Morey claims a non-esistent degree from Louisiana Baptist University. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Headdream ( talk • contribs) 04:04, August 23, 2007 (UTC).
It looks as though the government of South Korea is using this wikipedia article to decide degrees it will reject. [1]. Either that, or it is a hoax. The .com makes me think it could be a hoax. Headdream 04:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
The link you pointed to says that they are a private job placement company that places English teachers in South Korean schools. They don't claim to be part of the government. Regards, Bill Huffman 06:01, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
BTW, WAUC is probably the most famous non-wonderful accreditation agency there ever was. Maxine Asher is the self proclaimed leading world expert on the lost continent of Atlantis [2] and uses WAUC to accredit her own non-wonderful school. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bill Huffman ( talk • contribs) 06:08, August 23, 2007 (UTC). TallMagic 17:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
This was big news on August 31, 2007 and the week following. I see this article is still not up to date on the landmark victory for religious schools to be able to grant religious degrees -- not academic ones -- without secular accrediting. Our school and other Texas seminaries were still listed in this article even though the Texas State website removed us after the Supreme Court's decision that requiring schools who grant only religious degrees to be accredited via a State's higher education accrediting board violates the First Amendment.
The Houston Chronicle reported: Court: Texas law intrudes on religious freedom AP, via the Houston Chronicle, USA Aug. 31, 2007 Kelley Shannon http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5099314.html
AUSTIN — The Texas Supreme Court reversed lower court decisions today and ruled that state restrictions on what unaccredited religious institutions can call themselves and their education training violate the First Amendment.
The court said banning an institution like the Tyndale Theological Seminary in Fort Worth from using the term “seminary” in its name violates the Constitution.
Three religious organizations waged the legal fight. Tyndale, one of the schools, was cited in 1998 for violating a law that requires seminaries to be accredited and prevents unaccredited institutions from awarding degrees. It was fined $173,000 by the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board.
Plano-based Liberty Legal Institute represented the schools and argued before the court in 2005 that the state has no business regulating how pastors are trained.
State law requires institutions to meet certain standards if they call themselves a college, university or seminary. The court ruled that the law as it pertains to seminaries intrudes upon religious freedom.
“This decision is a huge victory for all seminaries not only in Texas but nationwide,” said Kelly Shackelford, the institute chief counsel. “Seminaries are going to now be free to be seminaries … The shackles are off.”
The case is not about secular teaching and degrees, but about purely theological education, he said. Shackelford said the ruling means the plaintiffs can try to recover attorneys’ fees incurred in the case.
The Texas Attorney General’s Office represented the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board and told the court that the state law aims not to regulate religion but only the quality of post-secondary education in Texas.
The law was written to crack down on degree mills that issue certificates but require little or no coursework.
The Attorney General’s Office had no immediate comment on the ruling. Stephanie Elsea, spokeswoman for the Higher Education Coordinating Board, said the ruling could have “far-reaching'’ implications but that the board would withhold further comment until it has time to review the entire decision.
Under the law, the Tyndale seminary, operated by HEB Ministries Inc., was fined for issuing 34 degrees without the coordinating board’s approval.
Tyndale was founded in the early 1990s to offer biblical education for those entering the ministry in churches and missions. By 1999 it had a small campus and enrollment of 300 to 350 students, with most of those taking correspondence courses, the court opinion states.
The Southern Bible Institute in Dallas and the Hispanic Bible Institute in San Antonio joined in the suit seeking to overturn the fines and the law.
For those of you well versed in legalese, here is the complete TX Supreme Court Decision of Aug 31, 3007, explaining how requiring religious schools to be accredited by the state violates the First Amendment of the US Constituion (aka "the establishment clause")
http://www.supreme.courts.state.tx.us/historical/2007/aug/030995.pdf
It's time this article removed religious schools UNLESS they are illegally granting secular or academic degrees such as the Bible colleges not removed from Texas' Higher Education website.
Remember that 28 states and now Texas makes 29 states, offer the religious exemption from the accreditig process. This List article's Main Article on Unaccredited Institutions explains that when it rightly says certain religious schools specifically choose NOT to be accredited or to even entertain the concept. Schools such as ours with IRS 501c3 status and Degree Granting Authority (DGA) from our state do not belong in lists that are 98% fraudulent diploma mills -- as we argued with Wikipedia editors on this very page back in June of this year. See above section on Esoteric Theological Seminary.
Here is the Connecticut State website that gives the list of 28 States offering the religious exemption: http://www.cga.ct.gov/2007/rpt/2007-R-0023.htm
It is libelous to keep religious schools with legal degree granting authority in their states (DGA) listed with illegal diploma mills on Wikipedia. We work hard and don't deserve the taint just because we are not academically accredited. Of course we are not, we are not an academic institution, but a religious one. We do not grant academic degrees, only religious degrees and those are only granted to OUR OWN ordained ministers of our legally incorporated non-profit church. In our case, we grant less than 20 degrees per year, yet because of a disgruntled former minister, ended up on this Wikipedia list article. Our alumni are not happy with being listed here and organizations like the South Korean one mentioned above in Talk, copying this webpage and preserving it elsewhere on the Internet. It makes sense to include unaccredited religious schools that really aren't religious schools but just hiding behind religion, using the name Seminary or Bible College to be able to grant academic degrees. But only if they are illegally granting academic degrees. No school should on here if it is LEGALLY granting religious degrees and is non-accredited by choice and via religious exemption. KatiaRoma 05:38, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
If you persist in singling us out, and Tyndale, then why don't you list all of these religious schools who are unaccredited by choice http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=offering+unaccredited+religious+degrees&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Why are none of the above schools on your list? Are you going to make me add each and every one of them just as the slanderous libelous ex-minister of our church added us back in June? He got us on your list and now you won't remove us. Let's see if schools like Cherry Hill Seminary (a pagan seminary) and Interfaith Theological Seminary (similar to our school) appreciate being listed on Wikipedia along with diploma mills. Tyndale and all schools granting religious degrees need to be contacted and told there are Wikipedia editors who INSIST on associating them fraudulent institutions. Just last week a blogger totally unknown to us used your list as "proof" to condemn us as illegal and fraudulent. I am tempted to remove us from your list again, but will instead put the parenthetical clause back that I think Orlady removed months ago, that we are legally granting religious degrees. Tyndale needs to come and add the link to the Supreme Court decision and remove the 2003 link you persist in leaving up of Christianity Today's 2003 article describing the huge fine Texas slapped onto Tyndale. The fine was overthrown, put up the NEW news articles, the 2007 ones as I included above that vindicated Tyndale. Other seminaries on this list, including all the ones from the google search I may end up having to add, will have to come here and add parentheticals that they are unaccredited yes, but BY CHOICE and by religious exemption are actually non-accredited, not unaccredited. If flooded with other religious degree granting schools like ours your list will no longer serve to help students trying to avoid academic degree scams, but will look like a list of religious schools unaccredited because they aren't fundamentalist Christian that happens to have a few fraudulent diploma mills mixed in. There are dozens of schools like ours, dozens. They proclaim themselves unaccredited right on their own websites, so we can reference their unaccredited status to meet Wikipedia standards. I have a bigger list than the quick google search above. If you do not stop singling us out and insisting we stay on your list, I will be forced to add them all. Those numerous unaccredited religiou degree-granting schools along with ours appearing in this Wikipedia list article will dilute the whole purpose of your Wikipedia article. Or do I misunderstand your purpose? Are you here to annoy religious degree granting schools, make us suffer the taint of being lumped in with diploma mills without so much as an explanatory sentence to that effect? Or are you here to warn potential students about "ordering an academic degree" from an unaccredited institution posing as a legit school? If the latter, it doesn't make any sense to leave us and all the other religious schools in. KatiaRoma 06:20, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
This list is in fact an "non accredited list of unaccredited institutions" of higher education. As I was black listed by talk magic, I justed wanted to add as a precaution stating that the list is not legally binding. The source is mostly an obscure office of the State of Oregon, which have no jurisdiction on the other 49 US states and on the whole world. I insist that this reality should be clearly stated for the image and seriousness of Wikipedia. Also offending words and non documented libelous allegations should be removed. I noticed in the list that the author include one university cited by the State of Oregon but not listed by the Michigan and maine list. It proves really that this list is misleading and biased.
Hoping that "talk magic" and others would prevent me to go to higher level of the institution to complain about it, as I like wikipedia when it is fair..and scientific. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerovital1 ( talk • contribs) 14:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This article currently states: "Due to the dynamic nature of many unaccredited institutions, there can never be a complete list of unaccredited institutions. Therefore one cannot draw conclusions regarding the status of an institution based on not finding it in this list." I propose adding the following two sentences with two government website citations/references.
Just as the absence of an institution from this list should not imply anything about its status, so also the presence of an institution on this list should not lead to any conclusions about the status of its accreditation or lack thereof. For example, many religious colleges and seminaries are unaccredited by choice and/or are legally exempt [1] from licensing and accreditation as allowed by thirty of the fifty United States, twenty-eight of which are listed in this state government report. [2]
I will wait for some input from other editors before adding these two sourced sentences. This article also states, "Revisions and sourced additions are welcome." This is my idea for a clarifying short revision, and I have a list of 20 institutions (and growing) of sourced additions that can be added. Most of the schools I am adding are technically not unaccredited but are exempt from accreditation in their various states. Some editors here have decided that exempt from accreditation equals unaccredited. That definition is being "enforced" here even though the State of Oregon's website, whom editors of this article source repeatedly, uses the exact phrase, "Religious Exempt Schools" on said website. As I contemplate adding all these Bible Colleges and Seminaries that confer unaccredited degrees, doing to them what was done to us (cause them to appear on a webpage with fraudulent degree-granters) I am reminded again of the Wikipedia policy that Wikipedia List articles should only contain items on them which also have Wikipedia articles of their own. This proves their notability. All the red colored institutions on this list were once removed by you ElKevbo per this policy, but put back by Orlady. It is discussed above in Talk this past June, yet no real consensus was reached, rather the conclusion seems to have been inconclusive. Our religious-only-degrees institution, the University of Esoterica, does not have a Wikipedia article, yet appears on this List article. In June of this year one of our alumni in Germany put up a short factual non-opinionated Wikipedia article on our school. It was quickly attacked by other Wikipedia editors and removed within 24 hours. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't -- and forced to adhere to an unyielding black and white "letter of the law" more kin with fundamentalist fanaticism than the open-minded liberalistic consensus-driven Wikipedia. KatiaRoma 04:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I added a statement in the beginning about religious exemptions. If anyone is interested it may be discussed further here. TallMagic 00:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
On 20 October 2007 Orlady made the following two edits: (Converted Success Seminary to a hidden comment. Only Ghits on it are "unaccredited lists." No point in merely replicating those lists with entries that have no independent value.) 20 October 2007 Orlady (remove Promis (I'm uncomfortable listing a school on the Oregon list unless there's some other info about it somewhere); consolidated several reference callouts)
If anyone can read Swedish, this may be informative: http://web2.hsv.se/publikationer/rapporter/2005/0525R.pdf -- Orlady ( talk) 01:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC) http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk:List_of_unaccredited_institutions_of_higher_learning&action=edit# —
I expect to add to this list
-- Orlady ( talk) 00:50, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
Why is Greenleaf University missing from this list? Kalos53 ( talk) 05:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Orlady has been selectively removing entries of American institutions from this list. Kindly do not do this. Either remove all unsourced and undocumented entries in one go, or let the list remain. No partial tampering is admissible The Hermes ( talk) 10:58, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
The approval/accreditation status of this school is disputed. Its listing in this article was sourced to the Indian UGC fake universities list. Since it does not currently appear on that list, it should not be listed in the article. Furthermore, http://www.education.nic.in/collegedir/collegedir.asp appears to indicate that it is an approved university in India. Apparently some contributors believe it is unapproved. What is the basis for this? -- Orlady ( talk) 16:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I used <strike> on Kentucky Christian University because the article states it is accredited. I won't remove it from the list because it is sourced, but someone should look at it. And whatever other ones are striken. -- SEWilco ( talk) 04:18, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
So the unaccredited one should be on the list too. Does the list need a special section for ambiguously names institutions? Or merely a footnote? 173.3.77.161 ( talk) 15:23, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Westminster International Varsity and Corporation of Executives and Administrators, located in Whetstone, London, England - WIV ffers life experience degrees. WIV website claims that "Varsity" is an informal traditional short name for "University", but fails to point out that use of the word "university" is restricted under UK law. Claims to be "registered as Limited by Shares with Liability in Great Britain" and "recognised and accepted by European Professional Bodies, Training Institutions and Employers Internationally". Also affiliated with European Continental University of Delaware and UK Commission for Consistent Learning (an alleged accreditor), apparently all at the same address. World Information Distributed University and Commonwealth Open University apparently claim accreditation from the UK Commission for Consistent Learning. -- Orlady ( talk) 18:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
California Graduate Institute has merged with the Chicago school, and now has its accreditation. I've removed it from the article. -- Duncan ( talk) 12:29, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
American Pacific University is no longer in the ODA list of unaccredited institutions. TallMagic ( talk) 04:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
I just now removed the following:
Refs cited are college's website and LTD registration UK, founded in 2004.
I think it's pretty evident that they aren't accredited, but neither of these sources explicitly says "unaccredited." The accreditation page on their website (click on the link in the website menu) lists several non-accreditation recognitions and says they are "undergoing state accreditation procedure by the Ministry of Education in South America." (Gosh, I must need more education! I never knew that South America was a country!)
I hope that a source can be found for this one. -- Orlady ( talk) 01:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm adding Paul Quinn College since it lost its accredidation. The article referenced in the Paul Quinn College Wikipedia page should be good enough. Naraht ( talk) 15:52, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
I have deleted European University from this list, European University is accredited by ACBSP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimbal007 ( talk • contribs) 09:57, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
If you check the website ACBSP under accredited list, they have listed four (4) EU campuses.
The programs are the same in all the campuses, there is no need to visit all of them, time consuming and money wasting.
It took 5+ years for this process to be concluded, now it is time to give them credit. In 2010. two more accrediting bodys are making a final decision on this University, so far news are good. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimbal007 ( talk • contribs) 12:20, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I do not understand this debate.
If you check ACBSP website here:
http://www.acbsp.org/index.php?mo=st&op=ld&sid=s1_025about&stpg=141
You can clearly see the TITLE: Current ACBSP Educational Institution Members
It’s about Institutions.
Then there are columns:
TYPE (what type of degree Institution offers)
ACCREDITED (Current status, Yes, No, Candidacy).
It cannot be clearer, European University is accredited. —Preceding
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Snowandflow (
talk •
contribs) 13:24, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
It appears to me that European University is now accredited -- at least sufficiently accredited that it no longer belongs on this list. The institution only offers business programs, so its business-school programmatic accreditation presumably covers all of its programs. However, I would not go so far as to call it an "accredited university" due to the apparent absence of recognition from government authorities in countries where it operates. -- Orlady ( talk) 15:50, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
My opinion is that removing EU from the list is probably the best course. Details about ACBSP accreditation and what it may mean should not be a concern of this list. It should instead be covered in the EU article. Regards, TallMagic ( talk) 16:29, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
I would like to echo the call at the top of this page, for discussion of just what this article is supposed to encompass. Specifically, there being a number of different forms of "accreditation" or "recognition," what exactly are we using for this page? And how can we ensure consistency across international borders?
For example, Atlantic University in Virginia Beach is not regionally accredited, but "nationally" accredited (by the Distance Education and Training Council). Granting that this is not as good, at least this does carry some advantages, and the DETC is recognized by the US Dept of Education for certain limited purposes. Should they be on the list or not? What about schools with licensure (permission to do business) from U.S. states? Isn't that a sort of government recognition? (Regional accreditation, remember, is not governmental at all, but comes from private consortia of universities.)
In many countries (e.g. South Africa), there is no such thing as "accreditation," but universities receive some sort of charter. In others (e.g., Congo), there are no meaningful laws governing the recognition of universities and their degrees. How can we compare schools operating under such widely-differing conditions? I don't think we can--it would be more appropriate to separate the entries by country or region. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.165.204.116 ( talk) 05:47, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
Accredibase.com popped up in the introductory paragraph a few days ago. I moved it to the external references. In e-mail correspondence with them, I received the following: "Dear srich32977, Accredibase is a membership based service for corporations, law enforcement agencies and educational institutions. We do not offer personal memberships at this stage. Hope this helps, Eyal P.S Did you read our new Accredibase Report, exposing academic credential abuse? Free download from www.accredibase.com Eyal Ben Cohen Managing Director Direct line +44 1234 834667 Mobile +44 7904 308287 Email ebc@verifile.co.uk Verifile Limited Bedford i-Lab, Stannard Way Priory Business Park, Bedford MK44 3RZ, United Kingdom Tel. +44 1234 834670 Fax +44 1234 834671 Checking Facts Building Trust www.verifile.co.uk" With the above in mind, I'm going to revise the external links entry to reflect the info provided even though it is unverified. --S. Rich 14:35, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
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Please remove the link of "Berne University" (USA) to the "University of Bern" (Switzerland). If you take a look at the Reference [6], the unaccredited institution is the Berne University Pennsylvania, St. Kitts, Virginia and not the University of Bern, Switzerland.
{{ editsemiprotected}} I want to be able to take the name of the Illinois Theological Seminary from this list, because its presence in this list is prejudicial and damaging to our reputation, as this article make a reference a fraud at its beginning. Although we have chosen not be accredited we are not fraudulent. So please take the name of the "Illinois Theological Seminary" of this list so we don't need to further no action against this horrible discrimination against unaccredited schools.
Valdirsoares ( talk) 23:42, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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Pleasew withdraw the mention of Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon in the liast of inaccredited request.
The école suypérieure Robert de Sorbon contrary to what is written is;
a registered french Institution of Higher Education with the SIREN Number E478 817 059 since 2004. With publication at the Journal Officiel of the French republic #20040039-1669
It as the right as per Title III Book VII of the Code of education to grant Degreein france.
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--S. Rich ( talk) 05:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
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Calvary Baptist Bible College in King, NC should be added to this list.
http://www.cbbcs-king.com/
98.16.17.124 ( talk) 04:59, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Move as proposed, per the result of related move request. These should have been bundled requests. Orlady ( talk) 18:10, 15 October 2010 (UTC)
List of unaccredited institutions of higher learning →
List of unaccredited institutions of higher education — Please see the discussion for this and a related move at
Talk:Unaccredited institutions of higher learning#Requested move. Thank you. Relisted.
Arbitrarily0 (
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Novaseminary (
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Please add New Renaissance Florence International Film School in the list of unaccredited institutions of higher learning.
This film school is under Italian Police investigation. Please contact our Italian lawyer, Alberto Chiarini at alberto.chiarini1@tin.it for details.
Thank you.
88.39.41.138 (
talk) 11:19, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
I have removed the following ELs (pasted below exactly as they were in the article) because they are either not directly related to unaccedited institutions (the accreditation databases), they do not provide anything more than the list itself would, they are commercial, they are already cited as refernces, or they violate some other aspect of
WP:ELNO, and generally
WP:NOTDIRECTORY. If other eds feel that ELs, especially of this volume, should be included here, I propose that they all be submitted to
Open Directory Project and a
Template:DMOZ link be added to the to-be-created DMOZ directory.>
Novaseminary ( talk) 21:16, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
Re: Providence Christian College 1) Please change "Ontario, California" to "Pasadena, California" [the college moved in July 2010] 2) Please change footnote 129 to read "... Providence is a candidate for accreditation with the Western Association of Schools and Colleges." 3) Please add parenthetical after "Providence Christian College, Pasadena, California": "(Est. 2005, candidate for accreditation with WASC)" Many thanks, J. Derek Halvorson President Providence Christian College Derekhalvorson ( talk) 18:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Please add: Calamus Extention College (UK) ( http://www.unicalamus.org/)
Done. It's clear from the Calamus website that this is part of the same outfit. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:44, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Please add: Vocalist International Distance Learning Academy (AKA VIDLA) (UK) http://www.unicalamus.org/brochure_contemporary_voice.htm
Done. It's clear from the Calamus website that this is part of the same entity. I added it to the Calamus entry. -- Orlady ( talk) 05:45, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
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Re: Please add Musicians Intitute (AKA Musicians Institute College of Contemporary Music), Hollywood CA. ( http://www.mi.edu) This is a private business. Not regionally accredited, but gives degrees.
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Re: Please add Los Angeles Music Academy (AKA Los Angeles Music Academy Music College) ( http://www.lamusicacademy.edu/) This is a private business. Not regionally accredited, but gives degrees.
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Please remove the Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon or add the following as The Ecole Superieure Robert de Sorbon a French private institution of higher education which was created in 2004 is authorized to grant degrees as per Article L-731-14 of the French code of Education. It is registered French institution of Higher education under #0862003720 with publication at the Journal Officiel de la République Française #20040039-1669
Cdelafaide (
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{{edit semi-protected}} Additional school for listing needing to be added:
96.27.145.236 ( talk) 04:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC
{{edit semi-protected}} Some unaccredited universities in Iraq added to the list like: Rafidain College University, and Arabian-American University.
109.224.23.248 ( talk) 11:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
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Please remove the link of "Berne University" (USA) to the "University of Bern" (Switzerland). If you take a look at the Reference [6], the unaccredited institution is the Berne University Pennsylvania, St. Kitts, Virginia and not the University of Bern, Switzerland.
Both of these claim accreditation by "Education Accreditation Council of America (EACOA)" -- eacoa.org (domain registration same as for calsuni.org, described below).
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Tallygraft (
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Valor Christian College
http://www.valorcollege.com/Pages/23-frequently-asked-questions
Just found out this college is not credited. People should know this. Thanks
MORRIS BROWN COLLEGE ATLANTA, GA IS IN CANDACY FOR ACCREDITATION THROUGH TRANSITIONAL ASSOCIATION OF COLLEGES AND SCHOOLS(TRACS)AND SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS LIST IMMEDIATELY —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.3.240 ( talk) 21:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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Ouachita Hills College - unaccreditted college, which also serves as a tutorial center for
Griggs University, not changing the fact that it is still unaccreditted.
Weimar College - straight up unaccreditted school.
24.180.120.72 (
talk) 20:10, 8 July 2011 (UTC)