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In the list about different gauges it's stated that Lithuania and Russia have the same. The situation is clearly more complex for Lithuania as can be seen on this page: http://www.litrail.lt/wwwEN.nsf -- Smallchanges 20:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that the gauges that have a name should have that name added to the list
I also think that it should be mentioned in what messaurement system the gauge was defined (and how) (and why "misstakes").
I also think that gauges that only differ since they changed the nominal messaurement to reflect closer tolerances shold be trown together.
Seniorsag 13:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
From 760 mm to 762 mm. please see: User talk:Peter Horn#EFOM gauge
(Copy and paste)Hi Peter
Do you have any evidence the gauge is 760mm? The only source I have says 2'6". I'd be surprised if it was built to 760mm, as most lines of this "gauge family" outside Europe that were not 2'6" were built to 750mm, following German practice. 760mm was an Austrian aberration, and the Austrians (or Serbs for that matter) did not have a lot of influence in these matters outside Europe. Cheers -- Michael Johnson 14:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
and User talk:Michael Johnson#Estrada de Ferro Oeste de Minas
Hello Michael,
I wondered about that myself. My error came from List of Rail Gauges#narrow gauge railways, by gauge and country which I assumed to be correct. The trick is now to track down the original source of that error. Railroad Gauge Width does not mention the EFOM. My 1969/1970 edition of JANE'S only mentions a Viaçao Ferrea Centro-Oeste (VFCO) (Comprising former EFBM, EFG, and RMV) as having both 1 and 30 gauges. So I'll take your word for it and proceed to correct the list of rail gauges.
Ciao, Peter Horn 15:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Copy and paste. Peter Horn 16:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
The metric value doesn't match the imperial one. Is it wider or narrower than Brunel's broad gauge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.169.17.178 ( talk) 10:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
The only references to gauges used to Sarajevo are a 760mm gauge and 'standard gauge'. I have removed the table entry until someone can find a citation. Brian R Hunter ( talk) 16:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the track gauge 600 mm or 500 mm?? Peter Horn 01:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I noted many lineas are missing. Most italian olines are standard gauge, the italian narrow gauge of 950 mm (1m between centre of rail in origin, as standard was 1,5 m giving the 1445). But there are many with other gauges: 1000 mm: Trento-Marilleva, Genova-Casella, Trieste Tramway line 2 (and, closed in the sixties, genova and cagliari tramway systems, Pracchia-Mammiano (closed 1967), Calalzo-Dobbiaco (closed 1964), Spoleto-Norcia (closed 1964), Rimini-S.Marino (closed 1944),Val di Fiemme (closed 196x),Bolzano lines (surviving only the Rittnerbahn section) 1200 mm: Genova-Rivarolo (rack, with funicular like flanges) 914: from 1914 to closure in 1921 S.Ellero-Vallombrosa (rack) 800: Aosta Pila (currently waiting for a reopening) 760: (called Bosniac Gauge): Chiusa-Plans, Asiago lines 151.16.221.181 ( talk) 20:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
should this be one big table to allow sorting? and one row for each pair of gauge and country? TrackConnect ( talk) 09:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I didnt touch the headlines, but the old before Wongm edit came back. The map Wongm removed came not back. Confusing. As if there was an error in the software. Also it looked as if I deleted some Spain/FEVE content, but I didnt touch that neither. The Argentina content I deleted on purpose, to fix a former wrong insert by myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_rail_gauges&diff=226758923&oldid=226752208
Headlines: Anyway, if they are changed we _might_ have to care for broken references. But I wouldnt worry to much about that. There is no "what links here" for sections, I assume, so it is hard to control anyway.
TrackConnect ( talk) 05:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
"Erie Railroad until 22 June 1880" -- That's not completely true, the Official Guide of June 1881 still lists the Erie RR under "6 ft., and 4 ft. 8½ in.", and some other railroads related/connected to the Erie were still completely 6 ft. (like the Sterling Mountain Railway in Sterlington, NY, that was, afaics, the last 6' railroad in North America (converted some time after 1890, probably mid-1890s), still listed as "6-0" in the June 1893 Official Guide, but the timetable there is from Oct. 1890.) I don't have further sources when the last 6ft track of the Erie RR was abandoned, maybe someone has them. BR, -- Thogo (Talk) 15:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Weren't there were some Emetty narrow gauge lines in Egypt (in the north of the Delta) and narrow gauge trams in Cairo, possibly up to the mid 1970s?-- SilasW ( talk) 15:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Some of the listed gauges have very slight differences, one wonders if they should all be classed as separate. This official report on a recent British derailment
[1] on page 35 has
"Track gauge and alignment
111: NR/SP/TRK/001 specifies a standard gauge of 1435 mm with maximum gauge
limit at 1446 mm and minimum at 1424 mm."
The 22 mm (~7/8") range suggests there often is not a tight adherence to the nominal value.--
SilasW (
talk)
20:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
This article currently seems to state that all gauges of less than metre gauge are either uncommon or obsolete. I'd say that that is not the case. 3' and 2' gauge are certainly not uncommon, or obsolete. Possibly the same could be said of 2' 6" gauge. Mjroots ( talk) 14:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
This article does give many sources. Can its measurements for the Ffestiniog railway be reconciled with what a report by the RAIB into a derailment on 3 May 2008 says "The railway has a track gauge of 23½ inches (597 mm)"? See earlier talk sections about exactness (track gauge has "rude mechanicals'" tolerances) and overstated precision.
Tabletop ( talk) 02:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
The Gauteng line in South Africa is 4' 8.5".
Surely no high speed line in South Africa is 5' 6".
Tabletop ( talk) 04:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
5 Swedish feet = 1435mm? 121.102.47.215 ( talk) 05:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Victoria, in Australia, debated the use of 2' 9" gauge to replace 5' 3". There appears to be an inconsistency for three Swedish gauges.
Queensland, in Australia, also debated the use of cheaper 2' 9" gauge to replace 3' 6".
New South Wales, in Australia, debated the use of a gauge "less than 3' " to replace 4' 8.5" past Goulburn, Bathurst and Murrurundi, also to save money.
Tabletop ( talk) 12:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
The name of the gauges depends a bit on what other gauges are there.
On the western front in WWII, the 1435 gauge lines were called "broad gauge" as compared to the 610 gauge lines which were called "narrow gauge". Tabletop ( talk) 12:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
3000 called "broad gauge", 1435 called "narrow gauge". 58.138.55.55 ( talk) 13:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
All the gauges are listed in metric and imperial units but most gauges are defined in just one of those systems. Some may be doubly defined e.g Standard Gauge where 4'8½" differs from 1435mm by an utterly insignificant one tenth of a millimetre. So shouldn't the list indicate which is the defining measurement for each gauge?.
Imperial measuring is done in feet and inches plus either multiples of 1/64th of an inch or decimal parts of an inch (but the list shows nothing as fine as eighths on a US or UK railway). To give metric gauges imperially with such eccentric fractions of an inch as 23/40, 2/3, and 5/6 gives no credence to the article. Where the gauge is metric the inches of the imperial equivalent should be given in decimals, one place (=2.5mm) should do but two places, possibly with that 2nd place as either 0 or 5, should satify any real railway engineer.
This is in en.WP so why are all decimal points ,s no .s?
One would have thought that the frequent editing of the article would have arranged for the Standard Gauge subheading not to have a line through it.-- SilasW ( talk) 20:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe the listings of Brunel's gauge have some misplaced countries? Never heard of 7' 1/4" lines in those parts.-- Grijalvo ( talk) 03:15, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Is this a gauge at all or instead two parallel tracks, each of narrow gauge? The specific article has a link which states: "the line had two separate 2ft 8½" gauge tracks with their respective outer rails 18ft apart". -- Wikiain ( talk) 23:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
List of rail gauges →
List of track gauges – Per
Talk:Track_gauge#Requested_move.
HTML2011 (
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22:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Which are the difference between List of track gauges by size (which is of course sorted by size) and List of track gauges (which is sorted by size too)?-- 79.17.150.185 ( talk) 14:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
It would be good to have an article at medium gauge or medium gauge railway. For the moment I have redirected both to List of track gauges#Medium gauge, which contains a good (if unsourced) summary. Andrewa ( talk) 19:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
In List of track gauges#Broad gauge the track gauge of Carmelit is given as 1,980 mm and in the article itself as 1,435 mm, see Talk:Carmelit#Rail / other info?. Peter Horn User talk 05:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the sort order of this article, which sorts descending size of gauge within ascending size of gauge group. So at break of group, we end up with 89mm gauge sorted next to 1432mm gauge, 508mm gauge next to 1435mm gauge, and 1435mm gauge next to 9000mm gauge, which is far from intuitive.
There seem to be two sensible choices
I'd suggest the first, in order to be consistent with the sidebar template. Thoughts?. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 11:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Checking gauges listed. They should correspond with the {{ RailGauge/doc/input options}} list. - DePiep ( talk) 22:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Gauge | Country/territory | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|
Metric (mm) |
Imperial | ||
340 | 13+3⁄8 in (340 mm) | Netherlands | Ridable miniature railway in DierenPark Amersfoort [1] gauge? |
Below are the ten gauges that currently are not known in the {{ RailGauge}} data list. We need sources and definitions. I've added row id's A–J for reference. - DePiep ( talk) 23:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Gauge | Country/territory | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|
Metric | Imperial | ||
1,397 | 4 ft 7 in (1,397 mm) | Wales | A Duffryn Llynvi and Porthcawl Railway gauge? |
946 | 3 ft 1+1⁄4 in | Austria | B Gletscherbahn Kaprun 2, gauge? a funicular partly inside a tunnel. |
880 | 2 ft 10+41⁄64 in | Germany | C Bayerisches Moor- und Torfmuseum, [2] gauge? Peat museum (operating) |
740 | 2 ft 5+9⁄64 in | Luxembourg | D Minière et Métallurgique de Rodange mine railway gauge? |
655 | 2 ft 1+25⁄32 in | Germany | E Schlebusch-Harkorter Coal Railway gauge? |
630 | 2 ft 51⁄64 in | Germany | F Brickworks in Zehdenick gauge? |
580 | 1 ft 10+53⁄64 in | Austria | G Wolfsegg Traunthaler Kohlenwerke in Ampflwang im Hausruckwald gauge? |
575 | 1 ft 10+41⁄64 in | Germany | H Iron ore mine railways in Bad Ems and Ramsbeck gauge? |
560 | 1 ft 10+3⁄64 in | Germany | I Salt mine railway in Berchtesgaden gauge? |
520 | 1 ft 8+1⁄2 in | Sweden | J Industrial railway at Sandviken gauge? |
Gauge | Country/territory | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|
Metric (mm) |
Imperial | ||
9,000 | 29 ft 6+ 3⁄ 8 in | Russia | P The electric "ship elevator" at the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric dam [3] gauge? |
8,200 | 26 ft 10+ 27⁄ 32 in | Austria | Q Lärchwandschrägaufzug gauge? |
5,500 | 18 ft (5,486 mm) | United Kingdom | R Magnus Volk's Brighton and Rottingdean Seashore Electric Railway gauge? |
3,330 | 10 ft 11 in (3,327 mm) | United Kingdom | S Dalzell Iron and Steel Works, Motherwell, Lanarkshire. [4] gauge? |
1,850 | 6 ft 1 in | Canada | T Falls Incline Railway in the city of Niagara Falls, Ontario gauge? |
1,800 | 5 ft 10+7⁄8 in | Germany | U Oberweißbacher Bergbahn ( funicular section only) [5] gauge? |
Rows labeled P–U
References
About this edit by Smiley.toerist, the Curaçao horse-drawn tram. Track gauge "763 mm" is unknown so far, and no source has been added. Please add a source for this gauge definition. Or, could it be this is a "30 inch" gauge, which corresponds with 2 ft 6 in (762 mm)? - DePiep ( talk) 13:18, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
915 mm
entry option for this. For this Curacao tram we can do the same, but only if that misnomer "763 mm" is in the best source available. Without such source, we state it is 30 inch (762 mm). -
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The gauge was 5' 2", but in Spanish measures (pie de Burgos, actually). It came to 1,440 mm and was chosen to be as near to the Stephenson gauge as allowed by the legal measure units. Spain went metric many years after the first railways, and everything was reckoned in feet, leagues, etc. Please amend this, and the Imperial equivalent. Grijalvo ( talk) 17:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Peter,
It is beginning to look like the statements that 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) was a de facto standard prior to the Liverpool and Manchester Railway are unsupported statements. Baxter (1966: P 56) states that there was no standard gauge for horse railways, but there were rough groupings. In the north of England none were less than 4ft. Wylam, built before 1763, was 5ft 0in; as was John Blenkinsop's Middleton Railway - the wikipedia article says 4ft 1in, and Baxter (1966: P 56) says the old 4ft plateway was relaid to 5ft so that Blenkinsop's engine could be used.
Baxter (1966: P 56): Others were 4ft 4in Beamish or 4ft 7.5in ( Bigges Main and Kenton and Coxlodge). Stephenson favoured 4ft 8in for waggonways in Northumberland and Durham and used it on his Killingworth line. The Hetton and Springwell waggonways also used the gauge. Stephenson's Stockton and Darlington railway was built to 4ft 8in and used it for fifteen years before being changed to 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm).
Whishaw (1842): The Chester and Birkenhead railway, authorised on 12 July 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 54); The Eastern Counties Railway, authorised on 4 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 91); London and Blackwall Railway, authorised on 28 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 260); The London and Brighton Railway, authorised on 15 July 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 273); The Manchester and Birmingham Railway, authorised on 30 June 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 303); The Manchester and Leeds Railway, authorised on 4 July 1836, was 4ft 9in (page 319); the Northern and Eastern Railway,authorised on 4 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 363). The 4ft 9in railways were intended to take 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) gauge vehicles and allow a running tolerance. The rest of the railways in England, excluding the Great Western Railway were 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) gauge. I've not included Scotland, Wales or Ireland.
From this the so called standard gauge could be regarded as 4ft 8in to 5ft 0ft.
Pyrotec 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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In the list about different gauges it's stated that Lithuania and Russia have the same. The situation is clearly more complex for Lithuania as can be seen on this page: http://www.litrail.lt/wwwEN.nsf -- Smallchanges 20:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
I think that the gauges that have a name should have that name added to the list
I also think that it should be mentioned in what messaurement system the gauge was defined (and how) (and why "misstakes").
I also think that gauges that only differ since they changed the nominal messaurement to reflect closer tolerances shold be trown together.
Seniorsag 13:43, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
From 760 mm to 762 mm. please see: User talk:Peter Horn#EFOM gauge
(Copy and paste)Hi Peter
Do you have any evidence the gauge is 760mm? The only source I have says 2'6". I'd be surprised if it was built to 760mm, as most lines of this "gauge family" outside Europe that were not 2'6" were built to 750mm, following German practice. 760mm was an Austrian aberration, and the Austrians (or Serbs for that matter) did not have a lot of influence in these matters outside Europe. Cheers -- Michael Johnson 14:00, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
and User talk:Michael Johnson#Estrada de Ferro Oeste de Minas
Hello Michael,
I wondered about that myself. My error came from List of Rail Gauges#narrow gauge railways, by gauge and country which I assumed to be correct. The trick is now to track down the original source of that error. Railroad Gauge Width does not mention the EFOM. My 1969/1970 edition of JANE'S only mentions a Viaçao Ferrea Centro-Oeste (VFCO) (Comprising former EFBM, EFG, and RMV) as having both 1 and 30 gauges. So I'll take your word for it and proceed to correct the list of rail gauges.
Ciao, Peter Horn 15:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
Copy and paste. Peter Horn 16:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
The metric value doesn't match the imperial one. Is it wider or narrower than Brunel's broad gauge? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.169.17.178 ( talk) 10:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
The only references to gauges used to Sarajevo are a 760mm gauge and 'standard gauge'. I have removed the table entry until someone can find a citation. Brian R Hunter ( talk) 16:51, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Is the track gauge 600 mm or 500 mm?? Peter Horn 01:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I noted many lineas are missing. Most italian olines are standard gauge, the italian narrow gauge of 950 mm (1m between centre of rail in origin, as standard was 1,5 m giving the 1445). But there are many with other gauges: 1000 mm: Trento-Marilleva, Genova-Casella, Trieste Tramway line 2 (and, closed in the sixties, genova and cagliari tramway systems, Pracchia-Mammiano (closed 1967), Calalzo-Dobbiaco (closed 1964), Spoleto-Norcia (closed 1964), Rimini-S.Marino (closed 1944),Val di Fiemme (closed 196x),Bolzano lines (surviving only the Rittnerbahn section) 1200 mm: Genova-Rivarolo (rack, with funicular like flanges) 914: from 1914 to closure in 1921 S.Ellero-Vallombrosa (rack) 800: Aosta Pila (currently waiting for a reopening) 760: (called Bosniac Gauge): Chiusa-Plans, Asiago lines 151.16.221.181 ( talk) 20:13, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
should this be one big table to allow sorting? and one row for each pair of gauge and country? TrackConnect ( talk) 09:28, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
I didnt touch the headlines, but the old before Wongm edit came back. The map Wongm removed came not back. Confusing. As if there was an error in the software. Also it looked as if I deleted some Spain/FEVE content, but I didnt touch that neither. The Argentina content I deleted on purpose, to fix a former wrong insert by myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=List_of_rail_gauges&diff=226758923&oldid=226752208
Headlines: Anyway, if they are changed we _might_ have to care for broken references. But I wouldnt worry to much about that. There is no "what links here" for sections, I assume, so it is hard to control anyway.
TrackConnect ( talk) 05:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
"Erie Railroad until 22 June 1880" -- That's not completely true, the Official Guide of June 1881 still lists the Erie RR under "6 ft., and 4 ft. 8½ in.", and some other railroads related/connected to the Erie were still completely 6 ft. (like the Sterling Mountain Railway in Sterlington, NY, that was, afaics, the last 6' railroad in North America (converted some time after 1890, probably mid-1890s), still listed as "6-0" in the June 1893 Official Guide, but the timetable there is from Oct. 1890.) I don't have further sources when the last 6ft track of the Erie RR was abandoned, maybe someone has them. BR, -- Thogo (Talk) 15:02, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Weren't there were some Emetty narrow gauge lines in Egypt (in the north of the Delta) and narrow gauge trams in Cairo, possibly up to the mid 1970s?-- SilasW ( talk) 15:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Some of the listed gauges have very slight differences, one wonders if they should all be classed as separate. This official report on a recent British derailment
[1] on page 35 has
"Track gauge and alignment
111: NR/SP/TRK/001 specifies a standard gauge of 1435 mm with maximum gauge
limit at 1446 mm and minimum at 1424 mm."
The 22 mm (~7/8") range suggests there often is not a tight adherence to the nominal value.--
SilasW (
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20:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
This article currently seems to state that all gauges of less than metre gauge are either uncommon or obsolete. I'd say that that is not the case. 3' and 2' gauge are certainly not uncommon, or obsolete. Possibly the same could be said of 2' 6" gauge. Mjroots ( talk) 14:06, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
This article does give many sources. Can its measurements for the Ffestiniog railway be reconciled with what a report by the RAIB into a derailment on 3 May 2008 says "The railway has a track gauge of 23½ inches (597 mm)"? See earlier talk sections about exactness (track gauge has "rude mechanicals'" tolerances) and overstated precision.
Tabletop ( talk) 02:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
The Gauteng line in South Africa is 4' 8.5".
Surely no high speed line in South Africa is 5' 6".
Tabletop ( talk) 04:51, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
5 Swedish feet = 1435mm? 121.102.47.215 ( talk) 05:43, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
Victoria, in Australia, debated the use of 2' 9" gauge to replace 5' 3". There appears to be an inconsistency for three Swedish gauges.
Queensland, in Australia, also debated the use of cheaper 2' 9" gauge to replace 3' 6".
New South Wales, in Australia, debated the use of a gauge "less than 3' " to replace 4' 8.5" past Goulburn, Bathurst and Murrurundi, also to save money.
Tabletop ( talk) 12:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
The name of the gauges depends a bit on what other gauges are there.
On the western front in WWII, the 1435 gauge lines were called "broad gauge" as compared to the 610 gauge lines which were called "narrow gauge". Tabletop ( talk) 12:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
3000 called "broad gauge", 1435 called "narrow gauge". 58.138.55.55 ( talk) 13:39, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
All the gauges are listed in metric and imperial units but most gauges are defined in just one of those systems. Some may be doubly defined e.g Standard Gauge where 4'8½" differs from 1435mm by an utterly insignificant one tenth of a millimetre. So shouldn't the list indicate which is the defining measurement for each gauge?.
Imperial measuring is done in feet and inches plus either multiples of 1/64th of an inch or decimal parts of an inch (but the list shows nothing as fine as eighths on a US or UK railway). To give metric gauges imperially with such eccentric fractions of an inch as 23/40, 2/3, and 5/6 gives no credence to the article. Where the gauge is metric the inches of the imperial equivalent should be given in decimals, one place (=2.5mm) should do but two places, possibly with that 2nd place as either 0 or 5, should satify any real railway engineer.
This is in en.WP so why are all decimal points ,s no .s?
One would have thought that the frequent editing of the article would have arranged for the Standard Gauge subheading not to have a line through it.-- SilasW ( talk) 20:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
Maybe the listings of Brunel's gauge have some misplaced countries? Never heard of 7' 1/4" lines in those parts.-- Grijalvo ( talk) 03:15, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Is this a gauge at all or instead two parallel tracks, each of narrow gauge? The specific article has a link which states: "the line had two separate 2ft 8½" gauge tracks with their respective outer rails 18ft apart". -- Wikiain ( talk) 23:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:46, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
List of rail gauges →
List of track gauges – Per
Talk:Track_gauge#Requested_move.
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22:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
Which are the difference between List of track gauges by size (which is of course sorted by size) and List of track gauges (which is sorted by size too)?-- 79.17.150.185 ( talk) 14:15, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
It would be good to have an article at medium gauge or medium gauge railway. For the moment I have redirected both to List of track gauges#Medium gauge, which contains a good (if unsourced) summary. Andrewa ( talk) 19:55, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
In List of track gauges#Broad gauge the track gauge of Carmelit is given as 1,980 mm and in the article itself as 1,435 mm, see Talk:Carmelit#Rail / other info?. Peter Horn User talk 05:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
Is there a reason for the sort order of this article, which sorts descending size of gauge within ascending size of gauge group. So at break of group, we end up with 89mm gauge sorted next to 1432mm gauge, 508mm gauge next to 1435mm gauge, and 1435mm gauge next to 9000mm gauge, which is far from intuitive.
There seem to be two sensible choices
I'd suggest the first, in order to be consistent with the sidebar template. Thoughts?. -- chris_j_wood ( talk) 11:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
Checking gauges listed. They should correspond with the {{ RailGauge/doc/input options}} list. - DePiep ( talk) 22:54, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Gauge | Country/territory | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|
Metric (mm) |
Imperial | ||
340 | 13+3⁄8 in (340 mm) | Netherlands | Ridable miniature railway in DierenPark Amersfoort [1] gauge? |
Below are the ten gauges that currently are not known in the {{ RailGauge}} data list. We need sources and definitions. I've added row id's A–J for reference. - DePiep ( talk) 23:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Gauge | Country/territory | Notes | |
---|---|---|---|
Metric | Imperial | ||
1,397 | 4 ft 7 in (1,397 mm) | Wales | A Duffryn Llynvi and Porthcawl Railway gauge? |
946 | 3 ft 1+1⁄4 in | Austria | B Gletscherbahn Kaprun 2, gauge? a funicular partly inside a tunnel. |
880 | 2 ft 10+41⁄64 in | Germany | C Bayerisches Moor- und Torfmuseum, [2] gauge? Peat museum (operating) |
740 | 2 ft 5+9⁄64 in | Luxembourg | D Minière et Métallurgique de Rodange mine railway gauge? |
655 | 2 ft 1+25⁄32 in | Germany | E Schlebusch-Harkorter Coal Railway gauge? |
630 | 2 ft 51⁄64 in | Germany | F Brickworks in Zehdenick gauge? |
580 | 1 ft 10+53⁄64 in | Austria | G Wolfsegg Traunthaler Kohlenwerke in Ampflwang im Hausruckwald gauge? |
575 | 1 ft 10+41⁄64 in | Germany | H Iron ore mine railways in Bad Ems and Ramsbeck gauge? |
560 | 1 ft 10+3⁄64 in | Germany | I Salt mine railway in Berchtesgaden gauge? |
520 | 1 ft 8+1⁄2 in | Sweden | J Industrial railway at Sandviken gauge? |
Gauge | Country/territory | Notes | |
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Metric (mm) |
Imperial | ||
9,000 | 29 ft 6+ 3⁄ 8 in | Russia | P The electric "ship elevator" at the Krasnoyarsk hydroelectric dam [3] gauge? |
8,200 | 26 ft 10+ 27⁄ 32 in | Austria | Q Lärchwandschrägaufzug gauge? |
5,500 | 18 ft (5,486 mm) | United Kingdom | R Magnus Volk's Brighton and Rottingdean Seashore Electric Railway gauge? |
3,330 | 10 ft 11 in (3,327 mm) | United Kingdom | S Dalzell Iron and Steel Works, Motherwell, Lanarkshire. [4] gauge? |
1,850 | 6 ft 1 in | Canada | T Falls Incline Railway in the city of Niagara Falls, Ontario gauge? |
1,800 | 5 ft 10+7⁄8 in | Germany | U Oberweißbacher Bergbahn ( funicular section only) [5] gauge? |
Rows labeled P–U
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About this edit by Smiley.toerist, the Curaçao horse-drawn tram. Track gauge "763 mm" is unknown so far, and no source has been added. Please add a source for this gauge definition. Or, could it be this is a "30 inch" gauge, which corresponds with 2 ft 6 in (762 mm)? - DePiep ( talk) 13:18, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
915 mm
entry option for this. For this Curacao tram we can do the same, but only if that misnomer "763 mm" is in the best source available. Without such source, we state it is 30 inch (762 mm). -
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The gauge was 5' 2", but in Spanish measures (pie de Burgos, actually). It came to 1,440 mm and was chosen to be as near to the Stephenson gauge as allowed by the legal measure units. Spain went metric many years after the first railways, and everything was reckoned in feet, leagues, etc. Please amend this, and the Imperial equivalent. Grijalvo ( talk) 17:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)
Hi Peter,
It is beginning to look like the statements that 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) was a de facto standard prior to the Liverpool and Manchester Railway are unsupported statements. Baxter (1966: P 56) states that there was no standard gauge for horse railways, but there were rough groupings. In the north of England none were less than 4ft. Wylam, built before 1763, was 5ft 0in; as was John Blenkinsop's Middleton Railway - the wikipedia article says 4ft 1in, and Baxter (1966: P 56) says the old 4ft plateway was relaid to 5ft so that Blenkinsop's engine could be used.
Baxter (1966: P 56): Others were 4ft 4in Beamish or 4ft 7.5in ( Bigges Main and Kenton and Coxlodge). Stephenson favoured 4ft 8in for waggonways in Northumberland and Durham and used it on his Killingworth line. The Hetton and Springwell waggonways also used the gauge. Stephenson's Stockton and Darlington railway was built to 4ft 8in and used it for fifteen years before being changed to 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm).
Whishaw (1842): The Chester and Birkenhead railway, authorised on 12 July 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 54); The Eastern Counties Railway, authorised on 4 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 91); London and Blackwall Railway, authorised on 28 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 260); The London and Brighton Railway, authorised on 15 July 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 273); The Manchester and Birmingham Railway, authorised on 30 June 1837, was 4ft 9in (page 303); The Manchester and Leeds Railway, authorised on 4 July 1836, was 4ft 9in (page 319); the Northern and Eastern Railway,authorised on 4 July 1836, was 5ft 0in (page 363). The 4ft 9in railways were intended to take 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) gauge vehicles and allow a running tolerance. The rest of the railways in England, excluding the Great Western Railway were 4 ft 8+1⁄2 in (1,435 mm) gauge. I've not included Scotland, Wales or Ireland.
From this the so called standard gauge could be regarded as 4ft 8in to 5ft 0ft.
Pyrotec 20:13, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
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