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I recommend creating new church articles from the external link given. Neddyseagoon ( talk) 15:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you find photos of church Immacolata Concezione di Maria a Grottarossa? I am looking forward to hearing from you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.141.200.236 ( talk) 10:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
The Italian Wikipedia article, as well as several other sources, indicate that this deaconry has been suppressed in 2013. Is anyone able to find a reputable source for this, indicating its suppression? RAVENPVFF | talk ~ 14:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Please note that the date when a title or deaconry was established is not the same as date of the consistory when it was first awarded to a Cardinal. The establishment date is the date of document creating a new title/deaconry. Most of them are published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, but some are not, so we can only presume that it was issued within a reasonable time before the consistory. Varro ( talk) 12:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Notice that I just reworded to this:
"When a cardinal priest or a cardinal deacon is then appointed as a cardinal bishop (of the first order) in the title of a suburbicarian diocese, in the vicinity of Rome, he ceases in his titular church."
This was done to allow for the later-mentioned co-opting of 4 cardinals (from the orders of cardinal priest and cardinal deacon) to suburbicarian rank. POSSIBLE later wording would be:
"When a cardinal is then appointed as a cardinal bishop (of the first order) in the title of a suburbicarian diocese, in the vicinity of Rome, he ceases in his titular church."
This is because I am wondering that when a suburbicarian diocese title becomes vacant, is it possible for a cardinal in a co-opted title or deaconry to be transfered to a suburbicarian-diocese title?
This ref is meant to link to 2010 assignments, but actually links to 2006 info. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 01:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
<ref name="Cons. 2010-11-20"> "Assegnazione dei Titoli e delle Diaconie ai nuovi Cardinali" [Assignment of Titles and Deaconries to the new Cardinals]. The Holy See (in Italian). Ufficio delle Celebrazioni Liturgiche del Sommo Pontefice. 20 November 2010. Archived from the original on 28 July 2016. Retrieved 16 February 2018.</ref>
Abp Fortunato Frezza has let it be known that he will be created with the Cardinal-Deacon of Santa Maria in Via Lata. Dcheney ( talk) 23:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
In the course of updating following the recent consistory, I noticed some details I'd like to change to reduce the size of the file and simplify the updating process. I'd like opinions before making changes.
I've changed the coding scheme and removed the mapping material. I've done my best to proofread my work, but I hope others will review it. I've simplified some of the names of the cardinals as well, which in a few cases alters the alphabetical order. I've tried to use the names by which these prelates are known rather than following the Vatican style of full and proper names which too often dictates what you see on WP. Some are easy and some I must admit are debatable. Rutsq ( talk) 16:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Five churches (1 deaconry and 4 titles) now carry this notation "suburbicarian rank pro hac vice", but these statements are undocumented. The Holy See and certain other sites like GCatholic and Miranda record similar pro hac vice modifications on occasion, but do not report these.
For example, when Versaldi was made a cardinal priest the change was documented by the Holy See as "Deaconry elevated pro hac vice to presbyteral title (4 March 2022)" here and picked up by the two other sites I mentioned here and here.
I believe an editor has made an assumption that comparable changes occur in the cases of new cardinal bishops, but there's no evidence of any comparable title modification. Note especially the case of Filoni, who went from cardinal deacon to cardinal bishop in June 2018. His Holy See bio here mentions no pro hac vice adjustment. Any ideas? Rutsq ( talk) 00:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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I recommend creating new church articles from the external link given. Neddyseagoon ( talk) 15:05, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Could you find photos of church Immacolata Concezione di Maria a Grottarossa? I am looking forward to hearing from you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.141.200.236 ( talk) 10:53, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
The Italian Wikipedia article, as well as several other sources, indicate that this deaconry has been suppressed in 2013. Is anyone able to find a reputable source for this, indicating its suppression? RAVENPVFF | talk ~ 14:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
Please note that the date when a title or deaconry was established is not the same as date of the consistory when it was first awarded to a Cardinal. The establishment date is the date of document creating a new title/deaconry. Most of them are published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, but some are not, so we can only presume that it was issued within a reasonable time before the consistory. Varro ( talk) 12:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
Notice that I just reworded to this:
"When a cardinal priest or a cardinal deacon is then appointed as a cardinal bishop (of the first order) in the title of a suburbicarian diocese, in the vicinity of Rome, he ceases in his titular church."
This was done to allow for the later-mentioned co-opting of 4 cardinals (from the orders of cardinal priest and cardinal deacon) to suburbicarian rank. POSSIBLE later wording would be:
"When a cardinal is then appointed as a cardinal bishop (of the first order) in the title of a suburbicarian diocese, in the vicinity of Rome, he ceases in his titular church."
This is because I am wondering that when a suburbicarian diocese title becomes vacant, is it possible for a cardinal in a co-opted title or deaconry to be transfered to a suburbicarian-diocese title?
This ref is meant to link to 2010 assignments, but actually links to 2006 info. Bmclaughlin9 ( talk) 01:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
<ref name="Cons. 2010-11-20"> "Assegnazione dei Titoli e delle Diaconie ai nuovi Cardinali" [Assignment of Titles and Deaconries to the new Cardinals]. The Holy See (in Italian). Ufficio delle Celebrazioni Liturgiche del Sommo Pontefice. 20 November 2010. Archived from the original on 28 July 2016. Retrieved 16 February 2018.</ref>
Abp Fortunato Frezza has let it be known that he will be created with the Cardinal-Deacon of Santa Maria in Via Lata. Dcheney ( talk) 23:38, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
In the course of updating following the recent consistory, I noticed some details I'd like to change to reduce the size of the file and simplify the updating process. I'd like opinions before making changes.
I've changed the coding scheme and removed the mapping material. I've done my best to proofread my work, but I hope others will review it. I've simplified some of the names of the cardinals as well, which in a few cases alters the alphabetical order. I've tried to use the names by which these prelates are known rather than following the Vatican style of full and proper names which too often dictates what you see on WP. Some are easy and some I must admit are debatable. Rutsq ( talk) 16:06, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
Five churches (1 deaconry and 4 titles) now carry this notation "suburbicarian rank pro hac vice", but these statements are undocumented. The Holy See and certain other sites like GCatholic and Miranda record similar pro hac vice modifications on occasion, but do not report these.
For example, when Versaldi was made a cardinal priest the change was documented by the Holy See as "Deaconry elevated pro hac vice to presbyteral title (4 March 2022)" here and picked up by the two other sites I mentioned here and here.
I believe an editor has made an assumption that comparable changes occur in the cases of new cardinal bishops, but there's no evidence of any comparable title modification. Note especially the case of Filoni, who went from cardinal deacon to cardinal bishop in June 2018. His Holy See bio here mentions no pro hac vice adjustment. Any ideas? Rutsq ( talk) 00:23, 30 October 2023 (UTC)