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Given the edit war apparently in progress over [1], I'd have expected some discussion here William M. Connolley ( talk) 21:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the Afghan ref I added [5] is to an UNESCO listing. I'd guess that any of the really old mosques ought to have such a listing, too William M. Connolley ( talk) 11:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Twice in this article, it is stated that Kazimar Big Mosque in Tamilnad, India, built in 13th century is the second oldest mosque in India. If this is true, then it would mean no mosques were built between the first in Kerala (7th century) and 13th century. Can someone comment please?
The very 1st masjid which build in India was Badhan Masjid (Old Jumma Masjid of Kilakarai) in 628-630AD by yemeni persian Trade merchants who settled down at the time of khalabharas at the port city of persian Qom of Cylane or Vagaitha Bharas (Ever Won Port city of sharbaras or Khalabaras) or Vaguthapuri . Which is in the coastal town currently called as Keelakarai. original old city was sunk under the sea which has many archaeological evidence under the sea. which is said in Book "Recapturing the Buried History of early dynasties" S.A.S Asana, Jane Chan, P. Donaldson and D. Rose(2008)UK.
In the early islamic time Muhammad (PBUH) hijarath to madina from Mecca. there he build Kuba masjid, then Masjid an Nabawi. that time there is no possibles of wars with other nation by muslims other than Badr and Uhad which is between Mecca Kafirs and Muslims. there are few hadeed (hadeed about ahali war, where Prophet and his companions breaks rocks and digs sands for the war. that time lightning blow from axe of Prophet... ) which states clearly about 1st conversion of foreign nation other than mecca and madina was yemen, then persia and byzantium. Arabs (Muslims ) especially meccans and madina people never goes ship trade until they captured yemen and Persia. Arabs use to starts trade or shipping from and through only by yemen ports in early islam periods.
Yemen was that time under the control of Sassanian persian empire king Khosru II. and the yemen was ruled by the governor Badhan ibn Sasan of sassanian family. He is popular among the yemenis due to his brave and honest.
Prophet send letters to different nations in that was persia to khosru II. After this the king ordered yemeni governor Badhan to bring Muhammad (PBUH) to his court. Badhan Send 2 horse men for this task. Muhammad (PBUH) Refused to come with them and prophesies that the king Khosru II was killed by his son Kavadth II and overthrown the power. When the prophesies came to be true. Badhan and the two men along with major Yemenis accepted islam. Prophet allowed badhan to rule over the yemen as a 1st Islamic governor. That time yemen had trade like with different nations like Malaya, china, cylane, indya and the other part of persian aniran, the qom of cylane. Aniran was that time occupied by pallava and pandiya by the help of yemeni Merchants and settlers who hates the sharbharas rule by themself because of his cruelty and dishonest nature of sharbharas . Those yemeni merchants and their families were honored by the new kings and had trade link with Yemen through them. Sharbaras went back to iran with their supporters after the defeat of the kingdom. This time whole Yemen comes under Islam and the badhan send message to qom of cylane to accept islam. that time those yemeni Merchants of qom of cylane follows Zoroastrianism. Follow the example of Governor of yemen Badhan they all accepted Islam and Built a masjid in the name Badhan, to honor their governor Badhan. Badhan Came to qom of cylane 628-630 AD after he replace his son sahr as a new governor of yemen. After Badhan came to qom of cylane there in yemen a man proclaim himself as a prophet name azaz (false prophet. he took the wife of sahr to his custody and kill sahr. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) send a man to save her from evil man. he kill that false prophet and save sahar's wife from him. then after yemen was uncontrolled by the various internal problems. Prophet send few sahabas to find Badhan. Tamim bin zayd al ansari was 1 in that who came to qom of cylane where he hered the news that the badhan was fall in ill and died in qom of cylane itself he found his burried place and got back to madina. where he fall in sick and died at the place of kovalam. Badhan Masjid was reconstructed in 11th century. Ibnu battutah travel notes clearly explains the nature of the place and masjid. he said in his travel notes this stone built masjid was oldest among the early once of islam and the people alongside the masjid was lived as in arabs style. he surprised to see them living in the own land. this clearly states the relationship with them and the kings of that periods.
About Persian Empire and Early divisions.
Persian empire is the combination of many units of lands. in that aniran and iran are most powered and popular.
Aniran (place of one who not worship fire and worship demons) was the place of east towards the cost of cylane (srilanka) was the Wealth Capital of Persia. where they gets valuable source of raw materials and ornaments. which is popular for pearl beds as well as the world's largest sea fort (54 miles longest) constructed by early Persians ruler Shapur Iafter demolishing the forts of parthia in the famous sea port city korkai, kaveri and betella, which is constructed by Vologases I in 126 to 122 BC.
Iran (who worship fire) is the place of west which is current iran the capital city of Persia.
Aniran was ruled from Shapur I to shahean sha of persia Khosru II.
Khosru II was ruled aniran under his brave man called shahrbaras ( Kalabhras called by tamil people, due to his unhonest and cruel nature). Aniran was occupied from the victory of Indian and Tamil kings of Chalukya, pallava, pandiya, chola and chera by Arsaces VIII or Vologases (I)in 126 to 122 BC. then the Khosru's forefather the great king shapur I captured the aniran in between 240 to 270 AD by defeating Parthian and formed sassanian rule over there. Before all it was under early tamil kingdoms.
Kadungon the king of pandiyan dynasty and Simhavishnu the king of pallava dynasty joinly recaptured this place with the help of yemeni parsi people and their descendants settled in this kingdom at the time of King Shapur I who hates Sharbaras dishonest rule and his cruelty. sharbaras was overthrown and defeated by the Pandiyas and pallavas with the help of their own people makes him to get back to iran. The people who settled down in the kingdom was mostly yemeni merchants and traders. they were honored and supported by the new kings.
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I started List of first mosques by country recently, having not found an equivalent article and having not yet run across this one. I think these two articles are somewhat different, so not necessarily any need to merge, though I would welcome any comment as to how to best keep the two articles clear in their purpose. Thanks for any suggestions! MatthewVanitas ( talk) 21:18, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
All entries need sources that meet our criteria at WP:RS. We can't rely on there being sources in other articles. Dougweller ( talk) 16:14, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Request received to merge articles: List of first mosques by country into List of the oldest mosques in the world; dated December 2015; discussion here. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 23:17, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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There have been several competing edits describing places as in Palestine or Israel or both. The mosques concerned are:
We should be guided by the Wikipedia articles on these places, as they are likely to reflect established Wikipedia practice.
Based on this, we should have 'Palestine' for Hebron and 'Israel' for Ramla, these are widely recognised internationally, and reflect the administration of these places.
For Jerusalem I favour indicating both Palestine and Israel, reflecting the competing claims and the Israeli administration. Alternatively, we could leave the country box blank, or put an explanatory phrase or footnote.
Comments please. Verbcatcher ( talk) 00:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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It's important to note that there are a lot of claims of "oldest" mosque in many parts of the world which are not supported by reliable scholarly or academic sources, often based on local popular narratives rather than on solid historical evidence. Scholarly sources often caution that the dating of many reputedly early mosques is difficult to confirm and often based on primary sources written long after the fact (e.g. off the top of my head, see this recent article, or see comments about this for North Africa, China, etc).
Some of the entries in this list cite local news articles, tourism/travel sites, and other non-scholarly sources. This makes it likely that some WP:EXCEPTIONAL claims here would not stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't help of course that many corresponding articles for individual mosques are poorly-sourced too. I'm sure there are similar problems at List of oldest church buildings and other similar list articles, so this is maybe just a comment for general consideration when editing this list.
My personal preference, given how large and unwieldy the list has also become, would be to liberally trim entries that aren't carefully sourced (and whose claims cannot be easily verified from a quick search). I've done that for a few already, but there's a lot of potentially dubious entries that probably need a second look. R Prazeres ( talk) 23:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
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Given the edit war apparently in progress over [1], I'd have expected some discussion here William M. Connolley ( talk) 21:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I've just noticed that the Afghan ref I added [5] is to an UNESCO listing. I'd guess that any of the really old mosques ought to have such a listing, too William M. Connolley ( talk) 11:58, 17 August 2011 (UTC)
Twice in this article, it is stated that Kazimar Big Mosque in Tamilnad, India, built in 13th century is the second oldest mosque in India. If this is true, then it would mean no mosques were built between the first in Kerala (7th century) and 13th century. Can someone comment please?
The very 1st masjid which build in India was Badhan Masjid (Old Jumma Masjid of Kilakarai) in 628-630AD by yemeni persian Trade merchants who settled down at the time of khalabharas at the port city of persian Qom of Cylane or Vagaitha Bharas (Ever Won Port city of sharbaras or Khalabaras) or Vaguthapuri . Which is in the coastal town currently called as Keelakarai. original old city was sunk under the sea which has many archaeological evidence under the sea. which is said in Book "Recapturing the Buried History of early dynasties" S.A.S Asana, Jane Chan, P. Donaldson and D. Rose(2008)UK.
In the early islamic time Muhammad (PBUH) hijarath to madina from Mecca. there he build Kuba masjid, then Masjid an Nabawi. that time there is no possibles of wars with other nation by muslims other than Badr and Uhad which is between Mecca Kafirs and Muslims. there are few hadeed (hadeed about ahali war, where Prophet and his companions breaks rocks and digs sands for the war. that time lightning blow from axe of Prophet... ) which states clearly about 1st conversion of foreign nation other than mecca and madina was yemen, then persia and byzantium. Arabs (Muslims ) especially meccans and madina people never goes ship trade until they captured yemen and Persia. Arabs use to starts trade or shipping from and through only by yemen ports in early islam periods.
Yemen was that time under the control of Sassanian persian empire king Khosru II. and the yemen was ruled by the governor Badhan ibn Sasan of sassanian family. He is popular among the yemenis due to his brave and honest.
Prophet send letters to different nations in that was persia to khosru II. After this the king ordered yemeni governor Badhan to bring Muhammad (PBUH) to his court. Badhan Send 2 horse men for this task. Muhammad (PBUH) Refused to come with them and prophesies that the king Khosru II was killed by his son Kavadth II and overthrown the power. When the prophesies came to be true. Badhan and the two men along with major Yemenis accepted islam. Prophet allowed badhan to rule over the yemen as a 1st Islamic governor. That time yemen had trade like with different nations like Malaya, china, cylane, indya and the other part of persian aniran, the qom of cylane. Aniran was that time occupied by pallava and pandiya by the help of yemeni Merchants and settlers who hates the sharbharas rule by themself because of his cruelty and dishonest nature of sharbharas . Those yemeni merchants and their families were honored by the new kings and had trade link with Yemen through them. Sharbaras went back to iran with their supporters after the defeat of the kingdom. This time whole Yemen comes under Islam and the badhan send message to qom of cylane to accept islam. that time those yemeni Merchants of qom of cylane follows Zoroastrianism. Follow the example of Governor of yemen Badhan they all accepted Islam and Built a masjid in the name Badhan, to honor their governor Badhan. Badhan Came to qom of cylane 628-630 AD after he replace his son sahr as a new governor of yemen. After Badhan came to qom of cylane there in yemen a man proclaim himself as a prophet name azaz (false prophet. he took the wife of sahr to his custody and kill sahr. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) send a man to save her from evil man. he kill that false prophet and save sahar's wife from him. then after yemen was uncontrolled by the various internal problems. Prophet send few sahabas to find Badhan. Tamim bin zayd al ansari was 1 in that who came to qom of cylane where he hered the news that the badhan was fall in ill and died in qom of cylane itself he found his burried place and got back to madina. where he fall in sick and died at the place of kovalam. Badhan Masjid was reconstructed in 11th century. Ibnu battutah travel notes clearly explains the nature of the place and masjid. he said in his travel notes this stone built masjid was oldest among the early once of islam and the people alongside the masjid was lived as in arabs style. he surprised to see them living in the own land. this clearly states the relationship with them and the kings of that periods.
About Persian Empire and Early divisions.
Persian empire is the combination of many units of lands. in that aniran and iran are most powered and popular.
Aniran (place of one who not worship fire and worship demons) was the place of east towards the cost of cylane (srilanka) was the Wealth Capital of Persia. where they gets valuable source of raw materials and ornaments. which is popular for pearl beds as well as the world's largest sea fort (54 miles longest) constructed by early Persians ruler Shapur Iafter demolishing the forts of parthia in the famous sea port city korkai, kaveri and betella, which is constructed by Vologases I in 126 to 122 BC.
Iran (who worship fire) is the place of west which is current iran the capital city of Persia.
Aniran was ruled from Shapur I to shahean sha of persia Khosru II.
Khosru II was ruled aniran under his brave man called shahrbaras ( Kalabhras called by tamil people, due to his unhonest and cruel nature). Aniran was occupied from the victory of Indian and Tamil kings of Chalukya, pallava, pandiya, chola and chera by Arsaces VIII or Vologases (I)in 126 to 122 BC. then the Khosru's forefather the great king shapur I captured the aniran in between 240 to 270 AD by defeating Parthian and formed sassanian rule over there. Before all it was under early tamil kingdoms.
Kadungon the king of pandiyan dynasty and Simhavishnu the king of pallava dynasty joinly recaptured this place with the help of yemeni parsi people and their descendants settled in this kingdom at the time of King Shapur I who hates Sharbaras dishonest rule and his cruelty. sharbaras was overthrown and defeated by the Pandiyas and pallavas with the help of their own people makes him to get back to iran. The people who settled down in the kingdom was mostly yemeni merchants and traders. they were honored and supported by the new kings.
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All entries need sources that meet our criteria at WP:RS. We can't rely on there being sources in other articles. Dougweller ( talk) 16:14, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Request received to merge articles: List of first mosques by country into List of the oldest mosques in the world; dated December 2015; discussion here. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 23:17, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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There have been several competing edits describing places as in Palestine or Israel or both. The mosques concerned are:
We should be guided by the Wikipedia articles on these places, as they are likely to reflect established Wikipedia practice.
Based on this, we should have 'Palestine' for Hebron and 'Israel' for Ramla, these are widely recognised internationally, and reflect the administration of these places.
For Jerusalem I favour indicating both Palestine and Israel, reflecting the competing claims and the Israeli administration. Alternatively, we could leave the country box blank, or put an explanatory phrase or footnote.
Comments please. Verbcatcher ( talk) 00:27, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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It's important to note that there are a lot of claims of "oldest" mosque in many parts of the world which are not supported by reliable scholarly or academic sources, often based on local popular narratives rather than on solid historical evidence. Scholarly sources often caution that the dating of many reputedly early mosques is difficult to confirm and often based on primary sources written long after the fact (e.g. off the top of my head, see this recent article, or see comments about this for North Africa, China, etc).
Some of the entries in this list cite local news articles, tourism/travel sites, and other non-scholarly sources. This makes it likely that some WP:EXCEPTIONAL claims here would not stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't help of course that many corresponding articles for individual mosques are poorly-sourced too. I'm sure there are similar problems at List of oldest church buildings and other similar list articles, so this is maybe just a comment for general consideration when editing this list.
My personal preference, given how large and unwieldy the list has also become, would be to liberally trim entries that aren't carefully sourced (and whose claims cannot be easily verified from a quick search). I've done that for a few already, but there's a lot of potentially dubious entries that probably need a second look. R Prazeres ( talk) 23:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)