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Does it make sense to have BBC Two and BBC Four classed as "General entertainment"? OK, so some entertaining programmes (such as Have I Got News for You or Never Mind the Buzzcocks) do sometimes get broadcast on these two channels, but a lot of these two channels are documentaries/ factual programmes. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 22:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Following some discussion at Talk:Freesat#List of channels on Freesat, I think its worth discussing possible changes following the round of AfDs which deleted list articles on individual companies channel line-ups ( AfD/List of channels on Sky and AfD/3rd bundle of channel lineups), similar to the discussion on the DTT list. Based on the results of AfD/List of digital terrestrial television channels (UK) and AfD/List of television stations in New York there isn't a threat of deletion to this article, however all mention of Freesat, Sky, Virgin TV, TalkTalk TV and Smallworld Cable was removed, with DTT remaining.
I disagree with that move and there was also some discussion in AfD/List of Net channels that a list containing all channels in an area which also lists providers may be valid, so the AfDs don't appear to clearly apply. Freesat, Sky and Virgin TV are large, national services with significant coverage in the press, marketing etc. and relevent to the topic. UK service are required to follow published fair and regulated EPG policies [1] and the largest service (Sky) has closed its launch queue for new slots which together have lead to fairly stable numbering, while neither Freesat or Sky has the ability to deny a licensed channel a listing. The channel numbers themselves aren't trivial as there is a direct relationship between them and audience figures. [2] [3] TalkTalk TV and Smallworld Cable are small services which are legacy and regional respectively, with little or no coverage in the press and probably shouldn't be listed. As services and channel numbers are also listed within each channel's article, this would appear to be acceptable as an index Wikipedia's own content. Without subscription information, it can't be a resource for conducting business or a sales catalogue. List of former TV channels in the United Kingdom displays that this information can also be long-lasting. - Jasmeet_181 ( talk) 12:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted Jasmeet 181's reinsertion of current company channel lineups into this page. One cannot ignore policy just because "discussion has died off." I can guarantee that based on the AfDs of channel lineups, there is (still) a broad consensus to remove such content from Wikipedia because it fails WP:NOTDIR. Agreement by three users in the previous discussion on this talk page does not indicate a consensus to ignore policy. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 01:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
The structure of this list is a remnant from the time when it needed to include LCNs from a bunch of different providers. It no longer does, and I'd say if would benefit from a restructuring that abandons the needlessly complicated table system and random genre system for a solution that simply lists the channels by their respective owners. Väsk ( talk) 14:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be a ridiculous amount of Synthesis and Original Research going on in this article, where channels are being arbitrarily assigned to owners based on very little evidence, or what seem to be misunderstandings or guesses of how corporate ownership is laid out. Examples which particularly stand out include 'Ginx eSports TV' which is listed in this article as being owned by 20th Century Fox - which it is not - seemingly on the basis that Sky has a tiny investment in the channel. (Something like 10% I think? The same as ITV, and Ginx is not an ITV channel either.)
Likewise, just because a channel is owned by Sky does not mean that it is owned by 20th Century Fox. Fox only own 39% of Sky - a minority. Nor does it mean that just because a channel is a joint venture with Sky - like the History Channel, etc, that this channel is also owned by 20th Century Fox. If Fox only own 39% of Sky then Fox owns 39% of 50% (or less) of the joint venture - less than a fifth.
The grouping of Viacom and CBS channels under the 'National Amusements' banner is completely bizarre. While they have a common majority shareholder the two are completely separate businesses internationally. The CBS channels in the UK are a joint venture with AMC - CBS is not even the majority shareholder (see http://mavise.obs.coe.int/company?id=6523) so to argue that these are owned by National Amusements is strange to say the least. And to say that AMC UK is owned by National Amusements (as the article currently does) is 100% wrong.
There's so much wrong with this article that I'm not sure where to start - and frankly unpicking the tables is beyond my editing capabilities. But as it stands the article is a mess. Bonusballs ( talk) 23:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
There are a few channels available only on Freeview lite areas (eg Public Service Broadcasters etc) and some SD channels that are only available on HD multiplexes (eg Forces TV & Pick+1) and some only available on local TV (eg some True TV channels) - any chance of these getting marked up. 1701Will ( talk) 10:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC) 1701Will ( talk) 10:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
The information about the channels for Virgin Media are outdated.
Here's the updated information in the link in the description for December 2020.
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-tv-edit/tips-and-tricks/virgin-tv-channel-guide
https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/sky-and-freeview-lose-short-lived-earthx-tv-channel/
ZWFydGh4IHR2IGlzIGdvbmU= Dragonflyslr wiki ( talk) 21:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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Does it make sense to have BBC Two and BBC Four classed as "General entertainment"? OK, so some entertaining programmes (such as Have I Got News for You or Never Mind the Buzzcocks) do sometimes get broadcast on these two channels, but a lot of these two channels are documentaries/ factual programmes. ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 22:20, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
Following some discussion at Talk:Freesat#List of channels on Freesat, I think its worth discussing possible changes following the round of AfDs which deleted list articles on individual companies channel line-ups ( AfD/List of channels on Sky and AfD/3rd bundle of channel lineups), similar to the discussion on the DTT list. Based on the results of AfD/List of digital terrestrial television channels (UK) and AfD/List of television stations in New York there isn't a threat of deletion to this article, however all mention of Freesat, Sky, Virgin TV, TalkTalk TV and Smallworld Cable was removed, with DTT remaining.
I disagree with that move and there was also some discussion in AfD/List of Net channels that a list containing all channels in an area which also lists providers may be valid, so the AfDs don't appear to clearly apply. Freesat, Sky and Virgin TV are large, national services with significant coverage in the press, marketing etc. and relevent to the topic. UK service are required to follow published fair and regulated EPG policies [1] and the largest service (Sky) has closed its launch queue for new slots which together have lead to fairly stable numbering, while neither Freesat or Sky has the ability to deny a licensed channel a listing. The channel numbers themselves aren't trivial as there is a direct relationship between them and audience figures. [2] [3] TalkTalk TV and Smallworld Cable are small services which are legacy and regional respectively, with little or no coverage in the press and probably shouldn't be listed. As services and channel numbers are also listed within each channel's article, this would appear to be acceptable as an index Wikipedia's own content. Without subscription information, it can't be a resource for conducting business or a sales catalogue. List of former TV channels in the United Kingdom displays that this information can also be long-lasting. - Jasmeet_181 ( talk) 12:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
I have reverted Jasmeet 181's reinsertion of current company channel lineups into this page. One cannot ignore policy just because "discussion has died off." I can guarantee that based on the AfDs of channel lineups, there is (still) a broad consensus to remove such content from Wikipedia because it fails WP:NOTDIR. Agreement by three users in the previous discussion on this talk page does not indicate a consensus to ignore policy. -- Wikipedical ( talk) 01:49, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
The structure of this list is a remnant from the time when it needed to include LCNs from a bunch of different providers. It no longer does, and I'd say if would benefit from a restructuring that abandons the needlessly complicated table system and random genre system for a solution that simply lists the channels by their respective owners. Väsk ( talk) 14:01, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be a ridiculous amount of Synthesis and Original Research going on in this article, where channels are being arbitrarily assigned to owners based on very little evidence, or what seem to be misunderstandings or guesses of how corporate ownership is laid out. Examples which particularly stand out include 'Ginx eSports TV' which is listed in this article as being owned by 20th Century Fox - which it is not - seemingly on the basis that Sky has a tiny investment in the channel. (Something like 10% I think? The same as ITV, and Ginx is not an ITV channel either.)
Likewise, just because a channel is owned by Sky does not mean that it is owned by 20th Century Fox. Fox only own 39% of Sky - a minority. Nor does it mean that just because a channel is a joint venture with Sky - like the History Channel, etc, that this channel is also owned by 20th Century Fox. If Fox only own 39% of Sky then Fox owns 39% of 50% (or less) of the joint venture - less than a fifth.
The grouping of Viacom and CBS channels under the 'National Amusements' banner is completely bizarre. While they have a common majority shareholder the two are completely separate businesses internationally. The CBS channels in the UK are a joint venture with AMC - CBS is not even the majority shareholder (see http://mavise.obs.coe.int/company?id=6523) so to argue that these are owned by National Amusements is strange to say the least. And to say that AMC UK is owned by National Amusements (as the article currently does) is 100% wrong.
There's so much wrong with this article that I'm not sure where to start - and frankly unpicking the tables is beyond my editing capabilities. But as it stands the article is a mess. Bonusballs ( talk) 23:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
There are a few channels available only on Freeview lite areas (eg Public Service Broadcasters etc) and some SD channels that are only available on HD multiplexes (eg Forces TV & Pick+1) and some only available on local TV (eg some True TV channels) - any chance of these getting marked up. 1701Will ( talk) 10:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC) 1701Will ( talk) 10:57, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
The information about the channels for Virgin Media are outdated.
Here's the updated information in the link in the description for December 2020.
https://www.virginmedia.com/virgin-tv-edit/tips-and-tricks/virgin-tv-channel-guide
https://rxtvinfo.com/2024/sky-and-freeview-lose-short-lived-earthx-tv-channel/
ZWFydGh4IHR2IGlzIGdvbmU= Dragonflyslr wiki ( talk) 21:09, 10 July 2024 (UTC)