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i, for one, absolutely hate the new table of contents, and want to see it gone! i'm wondering if i can get someone's else's impressions? -- emerson7 | Talk 23:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The Vancouver Symphony Orchestra is in Vancouver, Canada, not Washington as listed. Perhaps there is another VSO in Washington, but the article links to the Canadian SO's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.197.143 ( talk) 00:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
In order for this article to conform to the WP:NOTDIR policy, and the WP:EL, WP:SAL, and WP:RED guidelines, I am going to begin removing the external, non, and red links from this list. Any assistance would be appreciated. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 03:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
The rigid content restrictions employed here and in related lists of orchestras are based on a misinterpretaton of notability policy and are inconsistent with Wikipedia practice and policy. It is perfectly acceptable for a list of this type to include redlinks. Notability does not require that another article already exists, only that there is independent coverage of the topic that could be used to create an article. The universe of symphony orchestras is relatively limited and they typically are documented in 3rd-party sources, so it is reasonable to assume that any symphony orchestra is notable. Listing redlinks -- particularly redlinks that are supported by reference citations that help to establish the existence and notability of an entry -- helps build the encyclopedia by identifying articles that need to be created or expanded; refusing to list them stifles the development of Wikipedia. I have changed the lead section to indicate a less restrictive interpretation of the list scope. -- Orlady ( talk) 17:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
WP:V states, "All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable." Note that blue links are not references. See Talk:Elizabethtown, KY#Notable people. Unscintillating ( talk) 23:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
* [[Lexington Philharmonic Orchestra]]<ref>
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According to the League of American Orchestras, there were 1,224 U.S. orchestras in 2014. [1] Referencing this fact to 1224 different sources is unwieldy. Thankfully, hundreds of them can be referenced to the League of American Orchestras website. The article currently lists about 300. 259 can be cited to one page alone. [n1] Referencing it in a "notes" section that doesn't link back to the inline reference will prevent clutter like the long string of "^ a b c d e f g h i j k [...] aa ab ac [...] za zb zc [...]" in the reference section. This will both make the list inline-verifiable and not clutter the reference section with hundreds of links.
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What do you say? BrightRoundCircle ( talk) 05:50, 15 February 2017 (UTC)
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The Meridian Symphony Orchestra in Meridian, MS has been in existence since 1962. meridianso.org Meridianguy ( talk) 14:47, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Missing from New York: Genesee Symphony Orchestra geneseesymphony.com Swearenger ( talk) 19:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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Please add the Orchestra of the Southern Finger Lakes (OSFL) to the orchestras in New York. The OSFL just completed its 23rd season, having been formed with the merger of the Corning Philhamonic Society and the Elmira Symphony and Choral Society in 1995. Those orchestras date back to the early 20th century. They play orchestral and chamber concerts at venues in the neighboring cities of Corning, NY and Elmira, NY, and in the surrounding area. Their website is http://www.osfl.org Marshallhyde ( talk) 16:20, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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PLEASE ADD (NOT CHANGE) BEACH CITIES SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA UNDER THE CALIFORNIA SYMPHONY ORCHESTRAS [1] LIST, AND ADD OUR LINK Beach Cities Symphony Orchestra BECAUSE WE ARE THE OLDEST CONTINUOUSLY PERFORMING FREE-OF-CHARGE SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA IN ALL OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND QUITE POSSIBLY ALL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, CURRENTLY ENTERING INTO OUR 68TH YEAR. WE EVEN HAVE ONE MEMBER WHO WAS THERE FOR THE FIRST REHEARSAL AND STILL PLAYS. HE'S THE OLDEST (AND ONLY) LIVING CHARTER MEMBER OF OUR SYMPHONY AT THE AGE OF 96, NAMED BOB PETERSON WHO PLAYS 2ND FRENCH HORN. THE SOURCE IS ME AND BOB PETERSON, BECAUSE I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BEACH CITIES SYMPHONY, ERIKA SNOW ROBINSON, AND I PLAY 2ND BASSOON - AND HAVE BEEN WITH THE SYMPHONY FOR 18 OF THOSE 68 YEARS AND I SIT IN FRONT OF BOB PETERSON AND HE'S MY SOURCE - SINCE HE'S THE KEEPER OF OUR HISTORY. Erikasnowrobinson ( talk) 05:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)erikasnowrobinson
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I would like to add the Western Piedmont Symphony under North Carolina PercussionistsUnite ( talk) 18:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
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Add Starkville-Mississippi State University Symphony to the Mississippi section. Link is here: http://www.starkvillesymphony.org/
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Please ADD the Wilmington Symphony Orchestra to the list of orchestras in North Carolina. 2606:A000:FA40:1000:B5FC:4928:2D8D:BD46 ( talk) 19:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
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Add Piedmont Symphony Orchestra to Virginia Orchestras Jlsrodriguez ( talk) 05:03, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
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Please add to South Dakota section: Aberdeen: Aberdeen University-Community Orchestra Manhartg ( talk) 13:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC) Manhartg ( talk) 13:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC) Dr. Grant Manhart
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The Williamsburg Symphony Orchestra should be added to the list of symphony orchestras in the United States, under the state of Virginia. See: https://www.williamsburgsymphony.org 70.160.38.81 ( talk) 19:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA TO THE LIST UNDER THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA: Salisbury Symphony
PLEASE LINK THE TITLE TO OUR WEBSITE USING THE FOLLOWING LINK URL: www.salisburysymphony.org Billbucher2012 ( talk) 16:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Under the Georgia section, the "Albany Symphony Orchestra" links to an orchestra in New York. I believe the link needs to be updated or removed. Bookrat1 ( talk) 14:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Community Orchestra in Solano County- California - founded in 1987. www.solanosymphony.org 2601:640:C600:EDE0:152F:ECE5:76D4:896B ( talk) 20:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to add a listing for the Southwest Florida Symphony (est. 1961), one of the oldest symphony orchestras in the United States, but the article seems to be blocked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Add "Symphony NH" to New Hampshire. Symphony NH ( talk) 20:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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Add Hastings Symphony Orchestra under Nebraska orchestras. 162.219.193.139 ( talk) 12:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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The Villages Philharmonic Orchestra located in The Villages Florida should be included in your florida listing. They are a long established orchestra. See: thevillagesphilharmonic.org 107.145.73.77 ( talk) 16:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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Add the following under Kentucky: Paducah Symphony Orchestra 2601:84:8680:11A0:5058:2EFF:FEEC:85C8 ( talk) 22:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Is this list of only current orchestras, or all time? Because if it's is just current ones, then defunct ones should be removed (there's at least a couple on here). If it's all time, then the list needs to add a notation to distinguish the defunct ones. Either way, it is misleading to list orchestras that folded decades ago alongside current ones without anything to indicate there is a difference. oknazevad ( talk) 02:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
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i, for one, absolutely hate the new table of contents, and want to see it gone! i'm wondering if i can get someone's else's impressions? -- emerson7 | Talk 23:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
The Vancouver Symphony Orchestra is in Vancouver, Canada, not Washington as listed. Perhaps there is another VSO in Washington, but the article links to the Canadian SO's page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 154.20.197.143 ( talk) 00:11, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
In order for this article to conform to the WP:NOTDIR policy, and the WP:EL, WP:SAL, and WP:RED guidelines, I am going to begin removing the external, non, and red links from this list. Any assistance would be appreciated. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 03:35, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
The rigid content restrictions employed here and in related lists of orchestras are based on a misinterpretaton of notability policy and are inconsistent with Wikipedia practice and policy. It is perfectly acceptable for a list of this type to include redlinks. Notability does not require that another article already exists, only that there is independent coverage of the topic that could be used to create an article. The universe of symphony orchestras is relatively limited and they typically are documented in 3rd-party sources, so it is reasonable to assume that any symphony orchestra is notable. Listing redlinks -- particularly redlinks that are supported by reference citations that help to establish the existence and notability of an entry -- helps build the encyclopedia by identifying articles that need to be created or expanded; refusing to list them stifles the development of Wikipedia. I have changed the lead section to indicate a less restrictive interpretation of the list scope. -- Orlady ( talk) 17:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
WP:V states, "All material in Wikipedia mainspace, including everything in articles, lists and captions, must be verifiable." Note that blue links are not references. See Talk:Elizabethtown, KY#Notable people. Unscintillating ( talk) 23:56, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
* [[Lexington Philharmonic Orchestra]]<ref>
{{cite web
| title = Our History. Lexington Philharmonic
| url = http://www.lexphil.org/inside-lexphil/our-history
| publisher = The Lexington Philharmonic
| accessdate = 2016-08-28
}}</ref>
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Clearly, inline citations have been asked, and per policy, they should be added. Failing that, challenged content may be removed. – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 00:01, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
WP:CHALLENGE says "When tagging or removing material for lacking an inline citation, please state your concern that it may not be possible to find a published reliable source for the content, and therefore it may not be verifiable." The footnote says, " For all of these reasons, it is advisable to communicate clearly that you have a considered reason to believe that the material in question cannot be verified."
So: User:Unscintillating, it seems that you are trying WP:CHALLENGE this material. I would like therefore to see a plain, clear, unamibiguous statement from you, in compliance with that policy, that you sincerely believe that the entries in this list cannot be verified, including through basic methods such as "checking your favorite search engine" or "looking at the linked articles to see if there are sources there that prove that the material is verifiABLE, even if not yet CITEd in this particular list".
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According to the League of American Orchestras, there were 1,224 U.S. orchestras in 2014. [1] Referencing this fact to 1224 different sources is unwieldy. Thankfully, hundreds of them can be referenced to the League of American Orchestras website. The article currently lists about 300. 259 can be cited to one page alone. [n1] Referencing it in a "notes" section that doesn't link back to the inline reference will prevent clutter like the long string of "^ a b c d e f g h i j k [...] aa ab ac [...] za zb zc [...]" in the reference section. This will both make the list inline-verifiable and not clutter the reference section with hundreds of links.
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Missing from New York: Genesee Symphony Orchestra geneseesymphony.com Swearenger ( talk) 19:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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Please add the Orchestra of the Southern Finger Lakes (OSFL) to the orchestras in New York. The OSFL just completed its 23rd season, having been formed with the merger of the Corning Philhamonic Society and the Elmira Symphony and Choral Society in 1995. Those orchestras date back to the early 20th century. They play orchestral and chamber concerts at venues in the neighboring cities of Corning, NY and Elmira, NY, and in the surrounding area. Their website is http://www.osfl.org Marshallhyde ( talk) 16:20, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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PLEASE ADD (NOT CHANGE) BEACH CITIES SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA UNDER THE CALIFORNIA SYMPHONY ORCHESTRAS [1] LIST, AND ADD OUR LINK Beach Cities Symphony Orchestra BECAUSE WE ARE THE OLDEST CONTINUOUSLY PERFORMING FREE-OF-CHARGE SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA IN ALL OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND QUITE POSSIBLY ALL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA, CURRENTLY ENTERING INTO OUR 68TH YEAR. WE EVEN HAVE ONE MEMBER WHO WAS THERE FOR THE FIRST REHEARSAL AND STILL PLAYS. HE'S THE OLDEST (AND ONLY) LIVING CHARTER MEMBER OF OUR SYMPHONY AT THE AGE OF 96, NAMED BOB PETERSON WHO PLAYS 2ND FRENCH HORN. THE SOURCE IS ME AND BOB PETERSON, BECAUSE I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE BEACH CITIES SYMPHONY, ERIKA SNOW ROBINSON, AND I PLAY 2ND BASSOON - AND HAVE BEEN WITH THE SYMPHONY FOR 18 OF THOSE 68 YEARS AND I SIT IN FRONT OF BOB PETERSON AND HE'S MY SOURCE - SINCE HE'S THE KEEPER OF OUR HISTORY. Erikasnowrobinson ( talk) 05:18, 19 September 2017 (UTC)erikasnowrobinson
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I would like to add the Western Piedmont Symphony under North Carolina PercussionistsUnite ( talk) 18:55, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
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Add Starkville-Mississippi State University Symphony to the Mississippi section. Link is here: http://www.starkvillesymphony.org/
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Please ADD the Wilmington Symphony Orchestra to the list of orchestras in North Carolina. 2606:A000:FA40:1000:B5FC:4928:2D8D:BD46 ( talk) 19:23, 31 July 2018 (UTC)
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Please add to South Dakota section: Aberdeen: Aberdeen University-Community Orchestra Manhartg ( talk) 13:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC) Manhartg ( talk) 13:27, 5 September 2018 (UTC) Dr. Grant Manhart
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The Williamsburg Symphony Orchestra should be added to the list of symphony orchestras in the United States, under the state of Virginia. See: https://www.williamsburgsymphony.org 70.160.38.81 ( talk) 19:32, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
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PLEASE ADD THE FOLLOWING SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA TO THE LIST UNDER THE STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA: Salisbury Symphony
PLEASE LINK THE TITLE TO OUR WEBSITE USING THE FOLLOWING LINK URL: www.salisburysymphony.org Billbucher2012 ( talk) 16:41, 7 August 2019 (UTC)
Under the Georgia section, the "Albany Symphony Orchestra" links to an orchestra in New York. I believe the link needs to be updated or removed. Bookrat1 ( talk) 14:25, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
Community Orchestra in Solano County- California - founded in 1987. www.solanosymphony.org 2601:640:C600:EDE0:152F:ECE5:76D4:896B ( talk) 20:18, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
I wanted to add a listing for the Southwest Florida Symphony (est. 1961), one of the oldest symphony orchestras in the United States, but the article seems to be blocked from editing. Please fix this ridiculous situation! 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 23:19, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
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Add "Symphony NH" to New Hampshire. Symphony NH ( talk) 20:44, 14 November 2022 (UTC)
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Add Hastings Symphony Orchestra under Nebraska orchestras. 162.219.193.139 ( talk) 12:49, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
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The Villages Philharmonic Orchestra located in The Villages Florida should be included in your florida listing. They are a long established orchestra. See: thevillagesphilharmonic.org 107.145.73.77 ( talk) 16:20, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
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Add the following under Kentucky: Paducah Symphony Orchestra 2601:84:8680:11A0:5058:2EFF:FEEC:85C8 ( talk) 22:43, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
Is this list of only current orchestras, or all time? Because if it's is just current ones, then defunct ones should be removed (there's at least a couple on here). If it's all time, then the list needs to add a notation to distinguish the defunct ones. Either way, it is misleading to list orchestras that folded decades ago alongside current ones without anything to indicate there is a difference. oknazevad ( talk) 02:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)