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So, we seem to be in agreement that this list should not encompass every English Channel swimmer. We therefore require some kind of clear, explicit criteria for which swimmers should be included (in accordance with the guideline regarding stand-alone lists: WP:STAND). What will that criteria be? Propaniac ( talk) 15:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Propaniac ( talk) 19:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
English Channel swimmers → List of successful English Channel swimmers — This page is a list, and the article should be named as such. warrior 4321 17:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
* Support move. More strongly support deletion or merging to
English Channel, or merging the information at
English Channel#By swimming to a new article, or something. What I mean is I don't see the purpose of keeping this one small list as its own article at all.
Propaniac (
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18:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The world would be grateful, if someone would pioneer the article called Swimming the English Channel, which would talk about the significance of the act, how people train for it, etc. For example, I don't see any mentions of people drowning, which leads me to believe that they're accompanied by boats (also, I'm tipped off by the inclusion of distances), but this article does not (and should not) discuss that -- it belongs in the new article I'm describing.
Thanks! 128.59.179.125 ( talk) 03:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Maybe it's the result of multiple edits, but this article has some very unclear passages, which aren't helped by the presence of sentence fragments and the like. Considerable effort on the part of somebody who knows a lot about the subject (which isn't me, that's for sure!) will be needed before this article is in a presentable form, I'm afraid. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 22:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned, the title of the article suggests that a complete list of successful crossings is available, but I find only those few noteworthy crossings listed. As a friend of mine has just done the swim for charity ( http://ubunyechallenge.com) I was hoping to add his name to the list. As I know next to nothing on the subject, I can't be certain but I would image that still few enough people have done it to make a full listing feasible. Thoughs? -- nicholasstephan —Preceding undated comment added 00:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
In the table Amelia Gade Corson is listed in 1926 as the first mother to cross from England to France but the swim is marked as France to England. Which was it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.146.195.191 ( talk) 14:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, there is record of an earlier first crossing! Please reference Giovan Maria Salati (1796-1879) on the Italian language Wikipedia. It has been recorded that Giovan Salati was a military prisoner on a ship docked in Dover, and he swam to freedom in France on August 16, 1817, where his story was recorded. Eyeze ( talk) 15:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
For this article, the "seaman" needs a reference citation. I do not know if the seaman is Giovan Salati, but the Italians believe he was the first. Eyeze ( talk) 02:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me that there should be some basic statistics of the Channel at the beginning of the article to give a basic idea of the challenge of the swim. How many miles is the Channel from Dover to France-vice versa. Just a short blurb would probably be better to show vs. going right into the attempts without it requiring the reader to click onto the article about the Channel.
Is anyone up to the small challenge? I would never presume to believe I could handle such a "feat", and do it correctly for the editors of Wikipedia. 69.249.125.97 ( talk) 20:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC) BrattySoul
Why does the list of "First swims" include the second Canadian?! This entry appears thoroughly un-noteworthy. Removing.
Likewise, what is the significance of Jenny Eileen James, the first Welsh woman to swim the channel in 1951. Wales is not a sovereign nation. Far more significantly, the first British women swum the Channel in 1927. Switching. ◃Λmniarix▹ ( talk) 20:09, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
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A claim has been added that Giovan Maria Salati "swam" the Channel before Webb, but there seems to be virtually no reliable sources for this, and what scant information there is suggests two confounding factors:
If Salati did anything at all, he certainly did not "swim the Channel" in the sense that Webb and his successors did. I am therefore removing the text. Nick Cooper ( talk) 14:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be much a lot of consistency here, with some "firsts" by geographical region or nationality, but others not, e.g.:
I find it hard to believe that there aren't a lot of other nationalities that have been represented, but are not tabulated. I think perhaps the criteria for inclusion and the wording should be more clear. Nick Cooper ( talk) 15:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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This page on Abla Khairy states "At the age of 13, she became the youngest ever swimmer to cross the English Channel when she swam from England to France in August 1974" but she's not in the list on this page. Any reason? Zeno27 ( talk) 19:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
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So, we seem to be in agreement that this list should not encompass every English Channel swimmer. We therefore require some kind of clear, explicit criteria for which swimmers should be included (in accordance with the guideline regarding stand-alone lists: WP:STAND). What will that criteria be? Propaniac ( talk) 15:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved. Propaniac ( talk) 19:45, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
English Channel swimmers → List of successful English Channel swimmers — This page is a list, and the article should be named as such. warrior 4321 17:20, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
* Support move. More strongly support deletion or merging to
English Channel, or merging the information at
English Channel#By swimming to a new article, or something. What I mean is I don't see the purpose of keeping this one small list as its own article at all.
Propaniac (
talk)
18:43, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
The world would be grateful, if someone would pioneer the article called Swimming the English Channel, which would talk about the significance of the act, how people train for it, etc. For example, I don't see any mentions of people drowning, which leads me to believe that they're accompanied by boats (also, I'm tipped off by the inclusion of distances), but this article does not (and should not) discuss that -- it belongs in the new article I'm describing.
Thanks! 128.59.179.125 ( talk) 03:02, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
Maybe it's the result of multiple edits, but this article has some very unclear passages, which aren't helped by the presence of sentence fragments and the like. Considerable effort on the part of somebody who knows a lot about the subject (which isn't me, that's for sure!) will be needed before this article is in a presentable form, I'm afraid. -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 22:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
As mentioned, the title of the article suggests that a complete list of successful crossings is available, but I find only those few noteworthy crossings listed. As a friend of mine has just done the swim for charity ( http://ubunyechallenge.com) I was hoping to add his name to the list. As I know next to nothing on the subject, I can't be certain but I would image that still few enough people have done it to make a full listing feasible. Thoughs? -- nicholasstephan —Preceding undated comment added 00:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
In the table Amelia Gade Corson is listed in 1926 as the first mother to cross from England to France but the swim is marked as France to England. Which was it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.146.195.191 ( talk) 14:45, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, there is record of an earlier first crossing! Please reference Giovan Maria Salati (1796-1879) on the Italian language Wikipedia. It has been recorded that Giovan Salati was a military prisoner on a ship docked in Dover, and he swam to freedom in France on August 16, 1817, where his story was recorded. Eyeze ( talk) 15:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
For this article, the "seaman" needs a reference citation. I do not know if the seaman is Giovan Salati, but the Italians believe he was the first. Eyeze ( talk) 02:58, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
It seems to me that there should be some basic statistics of the Channel at the beginning of the article to give a basic idea of the challenge of the swim. How many miles is the Channel from Dover to France-vice versa. Just a short blurb would probably be better to show vs. going right into the attempts without it requiring the reader to click onto the article about the Channel.
Is anyone up to the small challenge? I would never presume to believe I could handle such a "feat", and do it correctly for the editors of Wikipedia. 69.249.125.97 ( talk) 20:11, 24 June 2015 (UTC) BrattySoul
Why does the list of "First swims" include the second Canadian?! This entry appears thoroughly un-noteworthy. Removing.
Likewise, what is the significance of Jenny Eileen James, the first Welsh woman to swim the channel in 1951. Wales is not a sovereign nation. Far more significantly, the first British women swum the Channel in 1927. Switching. ◃Λmniarix▹ ( talk) 20:09, 18 December 2015 (UTC)
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A claim has been added that Giovan Maria Salati "swam" the Channel before Webb, but there seems to be virtually no reliable sources for this, and what scant information there is suggests two confounding factors:
If Salati did anything at all, he certainly did not "swim the Channel" in the sense that Webb and his successors did. I am therefore removing the text. Nick Cooper ( talk) 14:48, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
There doesn't appear to be much a lot of consistency here, with some "firsts" by geographical region or nationality, but others not, e.g.:
I find it hard to believe that there aren't a lot of other nationalities that have been represented, but are not tabulated. I think perhaps the criteria for inclusion and the wording should be more clear. Nick Cooper ( talk) 15:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)
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This page on Abla Khairy states "At the age of 13, she became the youngest ever swimmer to cross the English Channel when she swam from England to France in August 1974" but she's not in the list on this page. Any reason? Zeno27 ( talk) 19:43, 29 May 2020 (UTC)