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As several editors have noticed, there is obviously a lot of repetition of names in this article, with Michael Jackson himself writing and producing many of the songs. We do not need a wikilink to the Michael Jackson article every time his name appears. Looking at edit 535981416, which has the edit summary "Removing links", we find that this edit actually INTRODUCES some 20 of these links, as well as a great number of other pointless links to people who are already linked many times. This is simply not needed.
The same could be said for linking album titles, but I'll leave that alone for the time being.
BOTH of you need to stop editing the page right now!!! I need to make clear that you were blocked for Wikipedia:Edit warring - not for the content of the edits. Both you and the IP need to talk over edit-waring - we have basic conduct expectations pls see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. So both stop editing and work this out here and not in the article space is this clear? If you guys cant resolve the problem on your own get help see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. Moxy ( talk) 08:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
With guest performers/producers/singers, it makes sense to include a 2-word description of what the person did. We should NOT include the vague term "featuring", especially when this is not a term that is included in the original booklet. To use an example from today, Van Halen played a guitar solo on the song "Beat It". He was not the main guitarist on the song, so we should avoid saying he was (that was Paul Jackson, Jr and Steve Lukather). And we definitely should not credit the song to "Michael Jackson featuring Eddie Van Halen" or other such nonsensical 2000s promotional language. If in doubt, use what the single/album actually says.
My question is relating to the need for this section. Firstly, what is the criteria? Age 16 years? Age 18? Solo works? When signed to Sony? It's all a bit ambiguous and arbitrary. I don't think the distinction is needed. If it's simply before/after some cutoff date, then this can be achieved by having one simple list, and then sorting by the Year column. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.54 ( talk) 22:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
There are some edits which introduce erroneous information, and so I have removed them.
It's important to get this stuff right. This way, the sorting by year column will actually work, instead of having everything bunched together in the 2000s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.220.114 ( talk) 18:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That's why there's a "Notes" section to give information about the songs such as if it was used in a film and the availability of rare songs that don't have an original album. Whenever I was creating the article, I knew that were some songs that weren't released on an album. For those songs, the album that it was released on were used and the year the album was released with the notes explaining the background of the song. For example, if "What More Can I Give" were to be released on an album then the album section will have the album it was released on, the year section will have the year the album was released on and the notes section will include that it was recorded in 2001 as a charity song for the victims of the September 11 attacks. "Can't Get Outta the Rain" was released as a B-side and it was released on album in 2008 on The Essential Michael Jackson 3.0. This does not mean it was recorded in 2008 but it does mean that it was released on The Essential Michael Jackson 3.0 and 2008 was year the album was released. "We Are Here to Change the World" was used in Captain EO but it was not released. It was released on The Ultimate Collection in 2004. If it wasn't recorded in 1986 then when else it could've been recorded? "Someone in the Dark" was released on Thriller Special Edition in 2001. It was not a filler track. That was the first Michael Jackson album it was released on. E.T. the Extraterrestrial was withdraw due to legal contract issues with Epic Records. The notes section clearly explains the background of the songs so there's no need to remove any information. EscapeX ( talk) 02:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
86.191.161.141 - Making disruptive and unnecessary edits is vandalism. Album refers to albums in general. Not all albums in the article are studio albums. If a song appears in a compilation album then we do not leave the column blank. If that was the case, then songs like "One More Chance" would have the album section blank just because it appeared in a compilation album. EscapeX ( talk) 00:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
EscapeX - Blanking the whole page is vandalism and is not a way to get your point across. It must be stressed that you do not own this article. If you want to work on it, you need to collaborate with other editors.
Please note the points above, namely that:
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:54, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
As several editors have noticed, there is obviously a lot of repetition of names in this article, with Michael Jackson himself writing and producing many of the songs. We do not need a wikilink to the Michael Jackson article every time his name appears. Looking at edit 535981416, which has the edit summary "Removing links", we find that this edit actually INTRODUCES some 20 of these links, as well as a great number of other pointless links to people who are already linked many times. This is simply not needed.
The same could be said for linking album titles, but I'll leave that alone for the time being.
BOTH of you need to stop editing the page right now!!! I need to make clear that you were blocked for Wikipedia:Edit warring - not for the content of the edits. Both you and the IP need to talk over edit-waring - we have basic conduct expectations pls see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. So both stop editing and work this out here and not in the article space is this clear? If you guys cant resolve the problem on your own get help see Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests. Moxy ( talk) 08:08, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
With guest performers/producers/singers, it makes sense to include a 2-word description of what the person did. We should NOT include the vague term "featuring", especially when this is not a term that is included in the original booklet. To use an example from today, Van Halen played a guitar solo on the song "Beat It". He was not the main guitarist on the song, so we should avoid saying he was (that was Paul Jackson, Jr and Steve Lukather). And we definitely should not credit the song to "Michael Jackson featuring Eddie Van Halen" or other such nonsensical 2000s promotional language. If in doubt, use what the single/album actually says.
My question is relating to the need for this section. Firstly, what is the criteria? Age 16 years? Age 18? Solo works? When signed to Sony? It's all a bit ambiguous and arbitrary. I don't think the distinction is needed. If it's simply before/after some cutoff date, then this can be achieved by having one simple list, and then sorting by the Year column. Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.37.54 ( talk) 22:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
There are some edits which introduce erroneous information, and so I have removed them.
It's important to get this stuff right. This way, the sorting by year column will actually work, instead of having everything bunched together in the 2000s. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.175.220.114 ( talk) 18:47, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
That's why there's a "Notes" section to give information about the songs such as if it was used in a film and the availability of rare songs that don't have an original album. Whenever I was creating the article, I knew that were some songs that weren't released on an album. For those songs, the album that it was released on were used and the year the album was released with the notes explaining the background of the song. For example, if "What More Can I Give" were to be released on an album then the album section will have the album it was released on, the year section will have the year the album was released on and the notes section will include that it was recorded in 2001 as a charity song for the victims of the September 11 attacks. "Can't Get Outta the Rain" was released as a B-side and it was released on album in 2008 on The Essential Michael Jackson 3.0. This does not mean it was recorded in 2008 but it does mean that it was released on The Essential Michael Jackson 3.0 and 2008 was year the album was released. "We Are Here to Change the World" was used in Captain EO but it was not released. It was released on The Ultimate Collection in 2004. If it wasn't recorded in 1986 then when else it could've been recorded? "Someone in the Dark" was released on Thriller Special Edition in 2001. It was not a filler track. That was the first Michael Jackson album it was released on. E.T. the Extraterrestrial was withdraw due to legal contract issues with Epic Records. The notes section clearly explains the background of the songs so there's no need to remove any information. EscapeX ( talk) 02:47, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
86.191.161.141 - Making disruptive and unnecessary edits is vandalism. Album refers to albums in general. Not all albums in the article are studio albums. If a song appears in a compilation album then we do not leave the column blank. If that was the case, then songs like "One More Chance" would have the album section blank just because it appeared in a compilation album. EscapeX ( talk) 00:19, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
EscapeX - Blanking the whole page is vandalism and is not a way to get your point across. It must be stressed that you do not own this article. If you want to work on it, you need to collaborate with other editors.
Please note the points above, namely that:
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of List of songs recorded by Michael Jackson's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "RRHF":
{{
cite web}}
: Italic or bold markup not allowed in: |publisher=
(
help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:54, 16 July 2018 (UTC)