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The article Social bookmarking contained a large list of social bookmarking services. I moved them all here, as I believe this article is a more appropriate place for such a list. Their insertion here is by no means an assertion on my part regarding their value; please feel free to trim the list as needed. I moved them here solely to get them out of the social bookmarking article. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Philippine Country Bookmarks is hosting an opensource bookmarking software by scuttle. The aim of this service is to aid the Filipinos in particular to have their own Filipino bookmarking software dedicated to Philippine topics only. This will also help on easy learning about Philippines for the students and researchers. Adding to the list will be a help. Ariellim 00:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the merge is a good idea; at least considering the current form of List of social software. It's a large list of external links. Unless we're talking about eliminating 99.9% of them, I think merging that list article here would only degrade this article. Give any space in this article for a list, and we'll be fighting linkspam to no end. At least right now we can isolate the links on the list article. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Against: the resulting article would be too long and unwieldy. -- Buridan 16:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was the anonymous IP, I hadn't noticed I wasn't logged in and didn't get round to adding in the talk page. I agree with the comment about linkspam, but the article is just a long list of links that are mostly duplicated in the main article. I'm a bit new to Wikipedia - is there a better way of managing this? Blowski 21:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok I think it's time to clean this article up. As Wikipedia is not a linkfarm, I propose we remove all the external links, making this article a list consisting solely of internal links (wikilinks). If a particular piece of social software isn't notable enough for its own article, I don't see why we need to list it here. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
is it social software to be considered in the list ? -- Notopia 13:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
This is my very first contribution to anything Wiki, so please forgive me if I do something wrong!
It seems to me that most (if not all--I did not click and check every link) of the items on this page do not refer to social "software", but websites which use social software in their operation. As I understand the term, "software" usually means just that--computer software--not a website which uses such software. Thusly, the title is ambiguous; I found it while doing a search on a search engine for "social networking software," while looking for actual software to create my own social networking website.
As a suggestion, what about "List of social websites" or "List of websites using social software?"
Regards, Casteele 18:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps my wording was a bit hasty (I wrote it quickly as I was in a hurry to find something and get a website up for a client).. I think the word "software" used in the title is too narrow for the content, which contains lots of links to various social software, websites, articles, etc. I also understand that the term "social software" itself is often broadly applied (even if not correctly used), and sites like MySpace, FaceBook, etc., are often cited in articles about social software--but they are not usually the main focus.
I'm thinking more as a person who picks up an encyclopedia to look something up: If I were to look up, say "automotive software", I would expect to find information about the software itself that is used in the automotive industry. I would not expect to find a listing of websites selling automobiles or discussion groups for fans of specific automobiles, etc., even if such websites made extensive use of software specialized for automotive needs. (Other than in sidenotes and footnotes, that is.)
By the same token, I can understand things like IM's, IRC, etc., all of which are software apps aimed primarily at social settings. Yet, listing specific IRC networks, user-made groups on Yahoo!, etc., would not be appropriate. Those are the end-results provided as part of the functionality of the social software. IE, I'm making the distinction between the social software itself, and how it's used--in relation to the article title, which implies the former but not the latter.
I do agree about maybe turning it into a cat.. But even then, the title still doesn't seem to fit properly. -- Casteele 04:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I thought long and hard, and wrote several replies. But ultimately, it all comes down to a few key points:
I also want to point out that my points of searching, what "software" means to me, what I expected to find, etc, were not meant to be assertions of my singular opinion on the subject, nor "taking apart the words." Rather, I was trying to point out that the name is ambiguous and does not stand out as what a normal person would reasonably expect when doing a search for the term. I am somewhat experienced in the digital technology fields, and I am not totally ignorant of the terms commonly used. Yet I still stumbled across this article while searching for, and expecting, something entirely different.
I asked myself, "what would my client search for if he decided to do this himself instead of hire me? How would he cope with the confusing flood of information, much of which was not related to what he wanted?" The article would have still come up on searches, but a longer and less ambiguous title would have made it more obvious that there was content other than what was expected and allow him to choose another link to follow more suitable to his needs. Or he could have still came here, but been more prepared for the actual content instead of suddenly overwhelmed by an unexpected flood of unrelated info.
I remember the advice I heard often from my editor while writing tech manuals, articles, FAQs, etc. (not an exact quote, sadly, it's been many years): YOU may have ten years of experience, training and schooling with your subject matter. YOU may know every term, phrase, and meaning you need. YOU may know the right words to use and the right places to look for the information you need. However, never assume your READER possesses the same knowledge as you; They are your reader because they are seeking the information you are providing. Casteele 13:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I populated Category:Social software. Please take a look and make adjustments as you see fit. -- Pnm ( talk) 03:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I split the list of social bookmarking websites to List of social bookmarking websites. It basic, and needs to be completed and expanded. -- Pnm ( talk) 03:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)
Material from List of social software was split to List of social bookmarking websites on January 1, 2011. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted so long as the latter page exists. Please leave this template in place to link the article histories and preserve this attribution. |
This article was nominated for deletion on 26 November 2007. The result of the discussion was Keep. |
This article was nominated for deletion on 17 December 2010 (UTC). The result of the discussion was no consensus. |
This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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The article Social bookmarking contained a large list of social bookmarking services. I moved them all here, as I believe this article is a more appropriate place for such a list. Their insertion here is by no means an assertion on my part regarding their value; please feel free to trim the list as needed. I moved them here solely to get them out of the social bookmarking article. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 15:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Philippine Country Bookmarks is hosting an opensource bookmarking software by scuttle. The aim of this service is to aid the Filipinos in particular to have their own Filipino bookmarking software dedicated to Philippine topics only. This will also help on easy learning about Philippines for the students and researchers. Adding to the list will be a help. Ariellim 00:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
I don't think the merge is a good idea; at least considering the current form of List of social software. It's a large list of external links. Unless we're talking about eliminating 99.9% of them, I think merging that list article here would only degrade this article. Give any space in this article for a list, and we'll be fighting linkspam to no end. At least right now we can isolate the links on the list article. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 13:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Against: the resulting article would be too long and unwieldy. -- Buridan 16:07, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I was the anonymous IP, I hadn't noticed I wasn't logged in and didn't get round to adding in the talk page. I agree with the comment about linkspam, but the article is just a long list of links that are mostly duplicated in the main article. I'm a bit new to Wikipedia - is there a better way of managing this? Blowski 21:23, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Ok I think it's time to clean this article up. As Wikipedia is not a linkfarm, I propose we remove all the external links, making this article a list consisting solely of internal links (wikilinks). If a particular piece of social software isn't notable enough for its own article, I don't see why we need to list it here. -- AbsolutDan (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
is it social software to be considered in the list ? -- Notopia 13:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
This is my very first contribution to anything Wiki, so please forgive me if I do something wrong!
It seems to me that most (if not all--I did not click and check every link) of the items on this page do not refer to social "software", but websites which use social software in their operation. As I understand the term, "software" usually means just that--computer software--not a website which uses such software. Thusly, the title is ambiguous; I found it while doing a search on a search engine for "social networking software," while looking for actual software to create my own social networking website.
As a suggestion, what about "List of social websites" or "List of websites using social software?"
Regards, Casteele 18:33, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps my wording was a bit hasty (I wrote it quickly as I was in a hurry to find something and get a website up for a client).. I think the word "software" used in the title is too narrow for the content, which contains lots of links to various social software, websites, articles, etc. I also understand that the term "social software" itself is often broadly applied (even if not correctly used), and sites like MySpace, FaceBook, etc., are often cited in articles about social software--but they are not usually the main focus.
I'm thinking more as a person who picks up an encyclopedia to look something up: If I were to look up, say "automotive software", I would expect to find information about the software itself that is used in the automotive industry. I would not expect to find a listing of websites selling automobiles or discussion groups for fans of specific automobiles, etc., even if such websites made extensive use of software specialized for automotive needs. (Other than in sidenotes and footnotes, that is.)
By the same token, I can understand things like IM's, IRC, etc., all of which are software apps aimed primarily at social settings. Yet, listing specific IRC networks, user-made groups on Yahoo!, etc., would not be appropriate. Those are the end-results provided as part of the functionality of the social software. IE, I'm making the distinction between the social software itself, and how it's used--in relation to the article title, which implies the former but not the latter.
I do agree about maybe turning it into a cat.. But even then, the title still doesn't seem to fit properly. -- Casteele 04:07, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I thought long and hard, and wrote several replies. But ultimately, it all comes down to a few key points:
I also want to point out that my points of searching, what "software" means to me, what I expected to find, etc, were not meant to be assertions of my singular opinion on the subject, nor "taking apart the words." Rather, I was trying to point out that the name is ambiguous and does not stand out as what a normal person would reasonably expect when doing a search for the term. I am somewhat experienced in the digital technology fields, and I am not totally ignorant of the terms commonly used. Yet I still stumbled across this article while searching for, and expecting, something entirely different.
I asked myself, "what would my client search for if he decided to do this himself instead of hire me? How would he cope with the confusing flood of information, much of which was not related to what he wanted?" The article would have still come up on searches, but a longer and less ambiguous title would have made it more obvious that there was content other than what was expected and allow him to choose another link to follow more suitable to his needs. Or he could have still came here, but been more prepared for the actual content instead of suddenly overwhelmed by an unexpected flood of unrelated info.
I remember the advice I heard often from my editor while writing tech manuals, articles, FAQs, etc. (not an exact quote, sadly, it's been many years): YOU may have ten years of experience, training and schooling with your subject matter. YOU may know every term, phrase, and meaning you need. YOU may know the right words to use and the right places to look for the information you need. However, never assume your READER possesses the same knowledge as you; They are your reader because they are seeking the information you are providing. Casteele 13:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I populated Category:Social software. Please take a look and make adjustments as you see fit. -- Pnm ( talk) 03:20, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
I split the list of social bookmarking websites to List of social bookmarking websites. It basic, and needs to be completed and expanded. -- Pnm ( talk) 03:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)