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This source [1] was used for several of the EastEnders characters on the list but I noticed that it had been removed from some of the characters and replaced with other sources. Was there any reason for this? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 23:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
In the source for Mel Maguire in Coronation Street from the Daily Mirror the caption of one of the article's pictures which she features in describes her as Nathan's "evil sidekick" but it is not in the main body of the text in the article. Similarly the first source for Ben Mitchell from EastEnders that was added from Metro was an article announcing that he was going to kill Heather from before the storyline aired, and a picture of Ben in the article had a caption which stated "pure evil". Can picture caption text be used as sources even if the main body of the text does not contain the relevant words such as "villain" or "evil" but the picture captions do? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 14:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Can this link be used [2] 82.132.215.52 ( talk) 15:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
The bloke who plays Alf in home and away mentioned that he has played villains on Prisoner [3] could we get the name of each character and add them? 82.132.218.170 ( talk) 23:29, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Could a source from Facebook be used if it's the official Neighbours page? As this link calls Tim Collins a villain [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.186.73 ( talk) 08:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Or do you allow the word evil to be used for qualifying for the list? As I actually found a link that calls him evil. [5]
We'll never know since @ AnemoneProjectors: doesn't give advice!.
This Digital Spy article [6] uses the accepted term of Bad so can they be added to the list? 82.132.232.20 ( talk) 14:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Would you agree @ AnemoneProjectors:
Someone added Fi Browning to the EastEnders section of the page, along with this source [7]. The source does not refer to Fi as being a "villain" or "evil" and I removed it but it was then reverted. Every time I subsequently tried to remove it, it was put back even though it clearly does not fit the criteria for the page. Is there a reason why this is being done? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:07, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
This source [11] from the Daily Record features an interview with Jacqueline Pirie and starts with the following opening sentence: "From soap villain to crime writer". It chiefly and firstly refers to her role as Linda Sykes in Coronation Street. Further down it refers to her also playing Tina Dingle in Emmerdale, referring to the character as "feisty". As the article says "soap villain" and not "villains" in the plural, presumably it is referring to her Corrie character and not her Emmerdale one. It also quotes Pirie as saying she loved playing the "baddie" in the soaps. It does not directly refer to Linda or Tina as "villains" but the inference from the first line is that it is referring to Linda. Linda is already on this list. Can Tina be added based on the strength of this article? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:59, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Digital Spy have this article about Pete Barton in Emmerdale and his affair with Priya Sharma being discovered [12]. Pete's mother Emma finds out about the affair after she insults Leyla and the article says that Pete defends Leyla by revealing that "he was the real villain in their relationship". Should this source be used? It does not describe Pete as a character as a villain in general, just for this particular storyline so I was wondering whether it should be added in this context? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 21:07, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Can Baddest be used about a villain since "bad" is allowed. If yes can I add the names from this list? [13] 82.132.243.22 ( talk) 17:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
The Daily Mirror have this article [14] which describes Coronation Street's Billy Mayhew, a vicar nonetheless, as "turns evil" in its title. Should I add it and him to the list? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 14:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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I've noticed that Rebecca White from Emmerdale has been removed from this list along with the source for her from the Daily Star which called her "villainous". Why has she been taken off? Was there something wrong with the source? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Will this link allow Tom to be added [15]?19:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.134.12.137 ( talk)
This source from OK Magazine [16] says Coronation Street's Chesney Brown "turns evil" in an upcoming storyline next week. Can he be added to this list because of it? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:08, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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Can this source count for the villain list? [17] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.36.221.187 ( talk) 14:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Can this link here [18] be used as point 5 calls him a villain? 82.132.242.247 ( talk) 15:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I can't find it now but didn't we agree not to include characters who had been described as villains by critics before the character had been on screen? Mitch Baker was added based on a Daily Star headline "New villain to rock Albert Square" and the article says he will cause trouble, so it's easy to assume he would be a villain, but didn't he just reveal a secret or something (not seen his last 2 eps yet)? Should we remove him?
On a side note, although the actress playing Mel Owen "confirmed" that Mel would become a villain, it remains to be seen (plus the exact question she was asked isn't confirmed in the source). — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 19:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
The source I used for Annie Pritchard in EastEnders from Radio Times had something wrong with its URL. I tried to fix it but I can't find the source anymore. Can anyone help? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 19:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This source [20] calls Kayla from Coronation Street "Kayla Westbrook". Next week's Radio Times credits her as that but the programme's end credits have been crediting her as "Kayla Clifton" which is her real name. She is concealing her true identity so is probably using a false name in the show, possibly her mother's maiden name. Even though this source calls her Westbrook, should I call her Clifton if I add her? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 22:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
This source [22] from Digital Spy features a number of Coronation Street characters which it describes as potentially "becoming Weatherfield's next big villain". Some of the characters on here are already on this list as they have already been established as villains but what about the others? Should they be added and can this source be used? I did wonder as it seems to be hinting that they could become villains and not referring to them as "villains" in the past or present tense so what should we do? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Having written the above about Mitch in EastEnders, I'm wondering if we should keep the lists shorter by only including notable villains (regular characters?), rather than characters who appeared for a week, did something bad and then got arrested, never appearing again. — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 19:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that Mel Owen has been removed from the EastEnders section of the page along with the source naming her as a villain from The Sun. Why is this? Was there something wrong with the source used for her? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 16:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
I was asked about this on my talk page and therefore missed this discussion (please {{ ping}} me here instead if you want me, or leave a {{ talkback}} on my talk page!) My reply regarding Mel was "I think we agreed that someone who is only reported that they will arrive or return as a villain shouldn't be included as it looks like media speculation or sensationalism. So I would say her removal is accurate. If she is a villain we should use a source based on what reporters know she has done not what they think she might do. This is also why Woody Woodward was removed, because a reporter assumed he would be a villain when he wasn't. Maybe he was in the end but we'd need a different source, reporting on what he did in the end, not what they thought he might do in the beginning." — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 18:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
I used this page [24] to add Shakil's killer Bruno to the list as it calls him "evil". Should I also use it to add Amy Mitchell? It states in the title that "EastEnders' next big villain might be a kid". Is that enough? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 20:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
A while back it was decided that villains from Holby City and Casualty couldn't be included because they weren't listed as soaps on the BBC website, this link here [25] now categorised them both as soaps. So with this now included as soaps can villains from both be added?-- 82.132.245.1 ( talk) 16:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
There are a lot of Emmerdale Farm villains from the 1970s and 1980s missing. I have a good amount of episodes and can find sources (not news sites however) that can back me up. For example, Tom Merrick (1972, 1980-88) beat his wife, was involved a hit-and-run on Joe Sugden whilst committing theft and torched a barn to frame Jack Sugden. Derek Warner (1980-86) ran over Joe Sugden whilst committing theft with Tom, committed armed robbery on a security van, held Harry Mowlam at knifepoint, beat Harry up, murdered Harry, tried to shoot his henchman Keith Johnson and narrowly missed shooting two police officers. Keith Johnson also committed armed robbery, beat Harry up, assisted in Harry's murder and already had a reputation as a dangerous man. Harry Mowlam (1983-86) abused his dog, tried to run over Jackie Merrick, committed armed robbery, made sexual advances on Dolly Skilbeck (causing her miscarriage) and attempting to kill Matt Skilbeck whilst stealing sheep from Emmerdale Farm. There was also Jim Latimer (1973, 1991) who murdered Sharon Crossthwaite, attempted to kill Penny Golightly, injured Annie Sugden in a robbery and held Sarah Connolly hostage in a barn. Double act Smarty Garrett and Poor Ocker also caused numerous fires around the village from 1977 to 1979. Steve Hawker (1978) broke into Joe Sugden's house and stole his shotgun, and along with his girlfriend Pip Coulter (1978), performed an armed robbery at The Woolpack, held Sam Pearson hostage and tried to shoot PC Edwards. I'm a bit confused on how to add references on Wikipedia (Wikia is so much easier) and if these sources would be allowed. There are also plenty more villains I could add. Danielroxheaps2 ( talk) 02:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I tried to add a source to the EastEnders section from the Daily Mail and saw a message stating that Wikipedia is not using Daily Mail sources anymore. However there are some Daily Mail sources already on this page being used for other characters. I added some of them myself at the time. As the rules have clearly changed since then, should these sources and the characters they are being used for be removed from here? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:32, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
There are a couple of articles from The Sun calling Donny Cairn in Emmerdale "evil" but I have been having trouble adding them because The Sun's website seems to be playing up at the moment and not loading properly. Could someone else please help? Maybe they would have more luck with it 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 21:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
A while back it was decided that villains from Holby City and Casualty couldn't be included because they weren't listed as soaps on the BBC website, this link here [27] now categorised them both as soaps. So with this now included as soaps can villains from both be added?-- 82.132.245.1 ( talk) 16:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I've found two articles for Emmerdale's Graham Foster. This one [28] from Digital Spy which calls him "evil" and this one [29] from Entertainment Daily which calls him "villainous". Which of these is most suitable for use? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 19:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
A while back, I attempted to add a character using a source from The Sun but was told that sources from The Sun were not being used on here so it was deleted. However, the list already contains sources from The Sun with links to articles so should they be removed as a result of this if that particular newspaper is not being used? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 00:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I am sure Hayley Slater from EastEnders was on this list and there was a source for her possibly from the Daily Express. It seems to have been removed. Does anyone know why? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 20:13, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Can this be used [32] as a reference about Harold being evil at a time?
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I was just going ask is this source a suitable one for this page? It seems to be from a fansite. 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 00:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I found this article in Metro featuring Hollyoaks characters. [33] Should the ones on here that aren't already on the list be added? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 19:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Can this source be used for this list? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 12:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I added a source for EastEnders' Gray Atkins from the Radio Times website but it has now been removed along with Gray's name. Why is this? Was the source not good enough? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 13:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I added a source for Coronation Street's Jan Lozinski which referred to him as a "villain" because at the time it was printed, he was believed to be one. It was thought that he was a people trafficker, but it has since transpired onscreen that Jan was a police informant who had infiltrated the gang to help bring them down so in fact he wasn't a villain after all. Can I remove the source? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 15:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
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This source [1] was used for several of the EastEnders characters on the list but I noticed that it had been removed from some of the characters and replaced with other sources. Was there any reason for this? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 23:34, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
In the source for Mel Maguire in Coronation Street from the Daily Mirror the caption of one of the article's pictures which she features in describes her as Nathan's "evil sidekick" but it is not in the main body of the text in the article. Similarly the first source for Ben Mitchell from EastEnders that was added from Metro was an article announcing that he was going to kill Heather from before the storyline aired, and a picture of Ben in the article had a caption which stated "pure evil". Can picture caption text be used as sources even if the main body of the text does not contain the relevant words such as "villain" or "evil" but the picture captions do? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 14:02, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
Can this link be used [2] 82.132.215.52 ( talk) 15:16, 10 June 2017 (UTC)
The bloke who plays Alf in home and away mentioned that he has played villains on Prisoner [3] could we get the name of each character and add them? 82.132.218.170 ( talk) 23:29, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Could a source from Facebook be used if it's the official Neighbours page? As this link calls Tim Collins a villain [4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.186.73 ( talk) 08:00, 21 June 2017 (UTC) Or do you allow the word evil to be used for qualifying for the list? As I actually found a link that calls him evil. [5]
We'll never know since @ AnemoneProjectors: doesn't give advice!.
This Digital Spy article [6] uses the accepted term of Bad so can they be added to the list? 82.132.232.20 ( talk) 14:16, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
Would you agree @ AnemoneProjectors:
Someone added Fi Browning to the EastEnders section of the page, along with this source [7]. The source does not refer to Fi as being a "villain" or "evil" and I removed it but it was then reverted. Every time I subsequently tried to remove it, it was put back even though it clearly does not fit the criteria for the page. Is there a reason why this is being done? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:07, 20 August 2017 (UTC)
This source [11] from the Daily Record features an interview with Jacqueline Pirie and starts with the following opening sentence: "From soap villain to crime writer". It chiefly and firstly refers to her role as Linda Sykes in Coronation Street. Further down it refers to her also playing Tina Dingle in Emmerdale, referring to the character as "feisty". As the article says "soap villain" and not "villains" in the plural, presumably it is referring to her Corrie character and not her Emmerdale one. It also quotes Pirie as saying she loved playing the "baddie" in the soaps. It does not directly refer to Linda or Tina as "villains" but the inference from the first line is that it is referring to Linda. Linda is already on this list. Can Tina be added based on the strength of this article? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:59, 4 August 2017 (UTC)
Digital Spy have this article about Pete Barton in Emmerdale and his affair with Priya Sharma being discovered [12]. Pete's mother Emma finds out about the affair after she insults Leyla and the article says that Pete defends Leyla by revealing that "he was the real villain in their relationship". Should this source be used? It does not describe Pete as a character as a villain in general, just for this particular storyline so I was wondering whether it should be added in this context? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 21:07, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: Can Baddest be used about a villain since "bad" is allowed. If yes can I add the names from this list? [13] 82.132.243.22 ( talk) 17:40, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
The Daily Mirror have this article [14] which describes Coronation Street's Billy Mayhew, a vicar nonetheless, as "turns evil" in its title. Should I add it and him to the list? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 14:55, 18 October 2017 (UTC)
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I've noticed that Rebecca White from Emmerdale has been removed from this list along with the source for her from the Daily Star which called her "villainous". Why has she been taken off? Was there something wrong with the source? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)
Will this link allow Tom to be added [15]?19:50, 10 November 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.134.12.137 ( talk)
This source from OK Magazine [16] says Coronation Street's Chesney Brown "turns evil" in an upcoming storyline next week. Can he be added to this list because of it? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:08, 14 November 2017 (UTC)
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Can this source count for the villain list? [17] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.36.221.187 ( talk) 14:33, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Can this link here [18] be used as point 5 calls him a villain? 82.132.242.247 ( talk) 15:42, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
I can't find it now but didn't we agree not to include characters who had been described as villains by critics before the character had been on screen? Mitch Baker was added based on a Daily Star headline "New villain to rock Albert Square" and the article says he will cause trouble, so it's easy to assume he would be a villain, but didn't he just reveal a secret or something (not seen his last 2 eps yet)? Should we remove him?
On a side note, although the actress playing Mel Owen "confirmed" that Mel would become a villain, it remains to be seen (plus the exact question she was asked isn't confirmed in the source). — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 19:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
The source I used for Annie Pritchard in EastEnders from Radio Times had something wrong with its URL. I tried to fix it but I can't find the source anymore. Can anyone help? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 19:53, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
This source [20] calls Kayla from Coronation Street "Kayla Westbrook". Next week's Radio Times credits her as that but the programme's end credits have been crediting her as "Kayla Clifton" which is her real name. She is concealing her true identity so is probably using a false name in the show, possibly her mother's maiden name. Even though this source calls her Westbrook, should I call her Clifton if I add her? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 22:32, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
This source [22] from Digital Spy features a number of Coronation Street characters which it describes as potentially "becoming Weatherfield's next big villain". Some of the characters on here are already on this list as they have already been established as villains but what about the others? Should they be added and can this source be used? I did wonder as it seems to be hinting that they could become villains and not referring to them as "villains" in the past or present tense so what should we do? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:56, 21 June 2018 (UTC)
Having written the above about Mitch in EastEnders, I'm wondering if we should keep the lists shorter by only including notable villains (regular characters?), rather than characters who appeared for a week, did something bad and then got arrested, never appearing again. — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 19:34, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
I noticed that Mel Owen has been removed from the EastEnders section of the page along with the source naming her as a villain from The Sun. Why is this? Was there something wrong with the source used for her? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 16:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
I was asked about this on my talk page and therefore missed this discussion (please {{ ping}} me here instead if you want me, or leave a {{ talkback}} on my talk page!) My reply regarding Mel was "I think we agreed that someone who is only reported that they will arrive or return as a villain shouldn't be included as it looks like media speculation or sensationalism. So I would say her removal is accurate. If she is a villain we should use a source based on what reporters know she has done not what they think she might do. This is also why Woody Woodward was removed, because a reporter assumed he would be a villain when he wasn't. Maybe he was in the end but we'd need a different source, reporting on what he did in the end, not what they thought he might do in the beginning." — ᴀnemone ᴘroᴊecтors 18:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)
I used this page [24] to add Shakil's killer Bruno to the list as it calls him "evil". Should I also use it to add Amy Mitchell? It states in the title that "EastEnders' next big villain might be a kid". Is that enough? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 20:05, 14 September 2018 (UTC)
A while back it was decided that villains from Holby City and Casualty couldn't be included because they weren't listed as soaps on the BBC website, this link here [25] now categorised them both as soaps. So with this now included as soaps can villains from both be added?-- 82.132.245.1 ( talk) 16:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
There are a lot of Emmerdale Farm villains from the 1970s and 1980s missing. I have a good amount of episodes and can find sources (not news sites however) that can back me up. For example, Tom Merrick (1972, 1980-88) beat his wife, was involved a hit-and-run on Joe Sugden whilst committing theft and torched a barn to frame Jack Sugden. Derek Warner (1980-86) ran over Joe Sugden whilst committing theft with Tom, committed armed robbery on a security van, held Harry Mowlam at knifepoint, beat Harry up, murdered Harry, tried to shoot his henchman Keith Johnson and narrowly missed shooting two police officers. Keith Johnson also committed armed robbery, beat Harry up, assisted in Harry's murder and already had a reputation as a dangerous man. Harry Mowlam (1983-86) abused his dog, tried to run over Jackie Merrick, committed armed robbery, made sexual advances on Dolly Skilbeck (causing her miscarriage) and attempting to kill Matt Skilbeck whilst stealing sheep from Emmerdale Farm. There was also Jim Latimer (1973, 1991) who murdered Sharon Crossthwaite, attempted to kill Penny Golightly, injured Annie Sugden in a robbery and held Sarah Connolly hostage in a barn. Double act Smarty Garrett and Poor Ocker also caused numerous fires around the village from 1977 to 1979. Steve Hawker (1978) broke into Joe Sugden's house and stole his shotgun, and along with his girlfriend Pip Coulter (1978), performed an armed robbery at The Woolpack, held Sam Pearson hostage and tried to shoot PC Edwards. I'm a bit confused on how to add references on Wikipedia (Wikia is so much easier) and if these sources would be allowed. There are also plenty more villains I could add. Danielroxheaps2 ( talk) 02:54, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
I tried to add a source to the EastEnders section from the Daily Mail and saw a message stating that Wikipedia is not using Daily Mail sources anymore. However there are some Daily Mail sources already on this page being used for other characters. I added some of them myself at the time. As the rules have clearly changed since then, should these sources and the characters they are being used for be removed from here? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:32, 28 October 2018 (UTC)
There are a couple of articles from The Sun calling Donny Cairn in Emmerdale "evil" but I have been having trouble adding them because The Sun's website seems to be playing up at the moment and not loading properly. Could someone else please help? Maybe they would have more luck with it 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 21:27, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
A while back it was decided that villains from Holby City and Casualty couldn't be included because they weren't listed as soaps on the BBC website, this link here [27] now categorised them both as soaps. So with this now included as soaps can villains from both be added?-- 82.132.245.1 ( talk) 16:42, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I've found two articles for Emmerdale's Graham Foster. This one [28] from Digital Spy which calls him "evil" and this one [29] from Entertainment Daily which calls him "villainous". Which of these is most suitable for use? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 19:29, 1 February 2019 (UTC)
A while back, I attempted to add a character using a source from The Sun but was told that sources from The Sun were not being used on here so it was deleted. However, the list already contains sources from The Sun with links to articles so should they be removed as a result of this if that particular newspaper is not being used? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 00:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
I am sure Hayley Slater from EastEnders was on this list and there was a source for her possibly from the Daily Express. It seems to have been removed. Does anyone know why? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 20:13, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
Can this be used [32] as a reference about Harold being evil at a time?
Many Thanks
-- 82.132.218.139 ( talk) 22:28, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
I was just going ask is this source a suitable one for this page? It seems to be from a fansite. 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 00:54, 3 May 2019 (UTC)
I found this article in Metro featuring Hollyoaks characters. [33] Should the ones on here that aren't already on the list be added? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 19:51, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
Can this source be used for this list? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 12:12, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
@ AnemoneProjectors: I added a source for EastEnders' Gray Atkins from the Radio Times website but it has now been removed along with Gray's name. Why is this? Was the source not good enough? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 13:11, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
I added a source for Coronation Street's Jan Lozinski which referred to him as a "villain" because at the time it was printed, he was believed to be one. It was thought that he was a people trafficker, but it has since transpired onscreen that Jan was a police informant who had infiltrated the gang to help bring them down so in fact he wasn't a villain after all. Can I remove the source? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 15:19, 9 August 2019 (UTC)