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I found a quote from a book which calls Sarah Lewis a "villainess" [1]. I'm not sure how to add the source, though. Can someone please help? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 20:27, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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I found this article from Metro that seems to imply that Paddy Kirk and Zak Dingle are "villains" due to their recent affair storylines. [2] What should I do with it? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 15:23, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
This might sound strange since we require reliable sources for verification but I think some names on this list have too many citations next to them. Phil Mitchell, Trevor Morgan and Janine Butcher each have 7 citations, causing them to not fit in one line of the column (on my screen at least). They're all good sources but I think once someone has, say, three sources, we probably don't need to add more, but it might be a good idea to replace some if they are a bit weak and stronger ones come up. Anemone Projectors 23:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
This source claims that Abi Branning "could be the next Walford villain" not that she is one already as an evil side, but I'm not sure if that should count either. Maybe it's best to remove it. Anemone Projectors 23:43, 26 March 2016 (UTCn the present tense. [3] Can the source be used because of this? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 14:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
This character hasn't appeared yet, and might not be in more than one episode for all we know, but the Daily Star has already called her "evil", while not actually going into what she will do in the episode. Do we really add her to this list? Anemone Projectors 22:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
With many sources calling Louise a 'bad girl' or 'treacherous', I would've assumed she wasn't actually evil but rather just a troublemaker. However, I ran into this source (which is still debatable) which annotates one of the photo spoilers as 'EVIL: Louise blackmails Abi' which (whilst it isn't a reliable source) does show Louise is capable of evil. Again, it's debatable but I need everyone to decide first.
Here is the source: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/506155/Louise-Mitchell-seduces-Jay-Brown-EastEnders — Preceding unsigned comment added by BladerPharmist ( talk • contribs)
NOTE: I also have a question in hand too. What happens if any soap characters has been "reformed" (according to any articles)? Would they get removed from the list? BladerPharmist ( talk) • contribs) 22:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Do both of these characters deserve to be in the list as the source for both says villains that became heroes. Superfan95 ( talk) 02:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
What terms have to be used to define a soap character a villain? Can the word "bad" count? I have this link [4] but I am not sure if it is for this page or not.-- 94.196.211.217 ( talk) 15:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I had this link [5] it had the actor describing his character as a bad guy by saying "It's fun to play a bad guy" does this count for Hunter to be on the list as he has been removed by an IP. Superfan95 ( talk) 22:41, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I have added this source [6] for Hollyoaks' Holly Cunningham. The other characters are on this list already. Should Nathan Nightingale be added due to this? It states he "it looks like he could be heading for the villain list", describing a plot twist and some of his actions this week, and the title says "Heroes to villains. 7 soap characters that went from good to bad like Hollyoaks' Nathan Nightingale" but it does not directly say that he is a villain in the past or present tense. Is it good enough for him or just for Holly. 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 20:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I found this source [7] about Zainab Masood, asking "Why have they made Zainab a villain?" and added her to the list because of this. I noticed that her name and the source have now been removed. Is there a reason for this? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 13:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I've removed whatever was remaining. For the record, these characters were removed:
Anemone Projectors 19:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that this source [11] was previously being used for several characters in the EastEnders section of the list, but now it is only being used for three of them and the others that is was being used for have had new sources added, but this one deleted. Why is this? Was there something wrong with the source? There must have been a reason. 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 11:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
There was a series of other sources that used to be on the page that were removed longer ago, before the decision was made to remove the extra ones. Some of them are still on the page titled "The 50 most evil soap villains of all time" from Whats on TV. There were quite a few of more them then the links were lost and the sources for some were deleted. Some were deleted from characters that didn't have that many sources to begin with. I discovered that the pages are still online here [12] so the dead links can be reactivated. As this was long before the "too many references" summary you made previously and some of them were removed from characters that didn't have too many sources to begin with, why was this done? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 16:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
This source [13] from All About Soap states that Aleks is "not such a bad guy after all" implying that he might not be a bad guy. It does not say that he is one in the present tense although it goes on to say "we can't help thinking that he is going to disappoint us yet again", suggesting that he will go back to being one. Is the source relevant due to this? It's not very clear. 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 18:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
This link [14] calls Andy a "bad-guy who turned out not so bad". Would he qualify for the list? Dhayes103 ( talk) 22:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Would this source define Lisa as a villain? [15] 82.132.234.86 ( talk) 12:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Is the source used for Courtney Freeman acceptable to use? [16] It is the source write up for just one episode of Home and Away and not a general one about the show or about the character of Courtney. Can these one-episode sources be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 20:19, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
This source from Lowculture [17] is quoted as describing Neighbours' Ben Kirk as "It's hard to believe that something so evil is the child of Drew". The link to the page and website has gone and I can't find it, but is it a valid source and can it be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 16:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
This source [19] from Metro, featuring a list of characters that are featuring in major storylines at the moment, describes Lawrence as "not outwardly villainous but has a dark edge" but in the same paragraph it describes Lawrence's character and personality traits, and "villainy" is one of them. Can this source be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 12:20, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
There is an article in this week's Inside Soap magazine featuring an interview with former Coronation Street actress Angela Lonsdale who played Emma Watts. She is talking about her major storylines from when she was in the show and she mentions when Emma was held hostage in her home by Ryan Sykes in 2001. Lonsdale is quoted as saying "her evil captor Ryan Sykes". Is this good enough for the article to be used as a source on here? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 15:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Can the article be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 17:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
This source [20] from the Daily Star quotes actress Jacey Salles as saying that her character in Hollyoaks, Juanita Salvador Martinez Hernandez De La Cruz, is "like a pantomime villain". Is it acceptable to use? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 11:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
And can this one [21] be used for new character, Eva Falco? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 16:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
So can they both be used then? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 17:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
This source from the Daily Star features EastEnders' Zainab Masood being referred to in a quote as "We're hoping she'll be just as entertainingly evil when she comes back for Masood's exit storyline." Can this be used as a source due to that quote? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:45, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I added a source from All About Soap magazine for the Home and Away character Simmo which covers the fortnight starting 31 December 2016 and ending 13 January 2017. It wouldn't let me add the entire date range so I only added the last date. Can someone show me how to add all of it so it is more accurate? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
This article [22] makes a reference in the last paragraph about Hollyoaks' Cindy Cunningham's "villainous gold digging days". Can this be used as a source for her? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
This article [23] on Digital Spy refers to Ken Barlow as a "villain". Should it be added to the list? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 16:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
This article in The Sun [24] refers to EastEnders' Charlie Cotton as having an "evil streak", inherited from his father. Can this source be used? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 21:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Per a previous discussion, we should limit, where possible, each name to three references each, otherwise it is WP:REFOVERKILL. References using the word "villain" are preferable to all others, so anyone wanting to cut down the refs would have to check each one for the best. anemone projectors 19:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly it's mostly UK soaps that are over-referenced. We should look at removing references for: (from Coronation Street) Tracey Barlow, Richard Hillman, David Platt, John Stape, Charlie Stubbs, (from EastEnders) Bobby Beale, Derek Branning, Janine Butcher, Nick Cotton, Stella Crawford, Claudette Hubbard, Archie Mitchell, Phil Mitchell, Trevor Morgan, Steve Owen, Den Watts, (from Emmerdale) Graham Clark, Cain Dingle, Nicola King, (from Hollyoaks) Nico Blake, Silas Blissett, Brendan Brady, Clare Devine, Rob Hawthorne, (from Home and Away) Johnny Cooper, and (from The Young and The Restless) Sheila Carter. And any I might have missed. anemone projectors 13:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
This source [25] that has been added for Calvin Valentine in Hollyoaks, describes "his villainous ways". Is it definitely referring to Calvin or to Warren Fox who is also mentioned in the article? If it is referring to Calvin, is it OK to use? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:54, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Express article [26] is it suitable to add? 82.132.238.113 ( talk) 08:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Can this [27] be used as it claims Lee is a villain in his own story? 82.132.235.206 ( talk) 22:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
In this article [29] Palmer's actor uses the term villain about his character but is it okay to use? 82.132.244.228 ( talk) 09:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
P.S. could I use this link [30] also for another character Tug. 82.132.244.228 ( talk) 21:32, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I found this gallery [31] that features multiple soap characters being called villains, can it be used? 94.197.166.43 ( talk) 23:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
With Dermott in Redwater being classed on Digital Spy here as a villain, should he be added? 188.30.121.147 ( talk) 10:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Does this [32] qualify as a source for adding Nick to the list? 82.132.246.137 ( talk) 18:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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Can villains from both shows with reliable sources be added? As both shows are covered in Inside Soap as a soap and Digital Spy has the shows in it's soaps section? 82.132.237.235 ( talk) 23:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
This link says "once the true villain responsible for the Lassister's explosion" [33] so does that mean it can be added for Julie Quill as she was one of the people responsible? 82.132.228.41 ( talk) 13:34, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Is this article where a character is called an antagonist enough to add him to the list [34] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.123.88 ( talk) 09:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
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I found a quote from a book which calls Sarah Lewis a "villainess" [1]. I'm not sure how to add the source, though. Can someone please help? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 20:27, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
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I found this article from Metro that seems to imply that Paddy Kirk and Zak Dingle are "villains" due to their recent affair storylines. [2] What should I do with it? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 15:23, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
This might sound strange since we require reliable sources for verification but I think some names on this list have too many citations next to them. Phil Mitchell, Trevor Morgan and Janine Butcher each have 7 citations, causing them to not fit in one line of the column (on my screen at least). They're all good sources but I think once someone has, say, three sources, we probably don't need to add more, but it might be a good idea to replace some if they are a bit weak and stronger ones come up. Anemone Projectors 23:47, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
This source claims that Abi Branning "could be the next Walford villain" not that she is one already as an evil side, but I'm not sure if that should count either. Maybe it's best to remove it. Anemone Projectors 23:43, 26 March 2016 (UTCn the present tense. [3] Can the source be used because of this? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 14:25, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
This character hasn't appeared yet, and might not be in more than one episode for all we know, but the Daily Star has already called her "evil", while not actually going into what she will do in the episode. Do we really add her to this list? Anemone Projectors 22:09, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
With many sources calling Louise a 'bad girl' or 'treacherous', I would've assumed she wasn't actually evil but rather just a troublemaker. However, I ran into this source (which is still debatable) which annotates one of the photo spoilers as 'EVIL: Louise blackmails Abi' which (whilst it isn't a reliable source) does show Louise is capable of evil. Again, it's debatable but I need everyone to decide first.
Here is the source: http://www.dailystar.co.uk/showbiz-tv/hot-tv/506155/Louise-Mitchell-seduces-Jay-Brown-EastEnders — Preceding unsigned comment added by BladerPharmist ( talk • contribs)
NOTE: I also have a question in hand too. What happens if any soap characters has been "reformed" (according to any articles)? Would they get removed from the list? BladerPharmist ( talk) • contribs) 22:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
Do both of these characters deserve to be in the list as the source for both says villains that became heroes. Superfan95 ( talk) 02:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
What terms have to be used to define a soap character a villain? Can the word "bad" count? I have this link [4] but I am not sure if it is for this page or not.-- 94.196.211.217 ( talk) 15:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
I had this link [5] it had the actor describing his character as a bad guy by saying "It's fun to play a bad guy" does this count for Hunter to be on the list as he has been removed by an IP. Superfan95 ( talk) 22:41, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I have added this source [6] for Hollyoaks' Holly Cunningham. The other characters are on this list already. Should Nathan Nightingale be added due to this? It states he "it looks like he could be heading for the villain list", describing a plot twist and some of his actions this week, and the title says "Heroes to villains. 7 soap characters that went from good to bad like Hollyoaks' Nathan Nightingale" but it does not directly say that he is a villain in the past or present tense. Is it good enough for him or just for Holly. 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 20:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
I found this source [7] about Zainab Masood, asking "Why have they made Zainab a villain?" and added her to the list because of this. I noticed that her name and the source have now been removed. Is there a reason for this? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 13:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I've removed whatever was remaining. For the record, these characters were removed:
Anemone Projectors 19:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)
I noticed that this source [11] was previously being used for several characters in the EastEnders section of the list, but now it is only being used for three of them and the others that is was being used for have had new sources added, but this one deleted. Why is this? Was there something wrong with the source? There must have been a reason. 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 11:00, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
There was a series of other sources that used to be on the page that were removed longer ago, before the decision was made to remove the extra ones. Some of them are still on the page titled "The 50 most evil soap villains of all time" from Whats on TV. There were quite a few of more them then the links were lost and the sources for some were deleted. Some were deleted from characters that didn't have that many sources to begin with. I discovered that the pages are still online here [12] so the dead links can be reactivated. As this was long before the "too many references" summary you made previously and some of them were removed from characters that didn't have too many sources to begin with, why was this done? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 16:11, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
This source [13] from All About Soap states that Aleks is "not such a bad guy after all" implying that he might not be a bad guy. It does not say that he is one in the present tense although it goes on to say "we can't help thinking that he is going to disappoint us yet again", suggesting that he will go back to being one. Is the source relevant due to this? It's not very clear. 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 18:24, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
This link [14] calls Andy a "bad-guy who turned out not so bad". Would he qualify for the list? Dhayes103 ( talk) 22:55, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Would this source define Lisa as a villain? [15] 82.132.234.86 ( talk) 12:18, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
Is the source used for Courtney Freeman acceptable to use? [16] It is the source write up for just one episode of Home and Away and not a general one about the show or about the character of Courtney. Can these one-episode sources be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 20:19, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
This source from Lowculture [17] is quoted as describing Neighbours' Ben Kirk as "It's hard to believe that something so evil is the child of Drew". The link to the page and website has gone and I can't find it, but is it a valid source and can it be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 16:43, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
This source [19] from Metro, featuring a list of characters that are featuring in major storylines at the moment, describes Lawrence as "not outwardly villainous but has a dark edge" but in the same paragraph it describes Lawrence's character and personality traits, and "villainy" is one of them. Can this source be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 12:20, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
There is an article in this week's Inside Soap magazine featuring an interview with former Coronation Street actress Angela Lonsdale who played Emma Watts. She is talking about her major storylines from when she was in the show and she mentions when Emma was held hostage in her home by Ryan Sykes in 2001. Lonsdale is quoted as saying "her evil captor Ryan Sykes". Is this good enough for the article to be used as a source on here? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 15:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)
Can the article be used? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 17:05, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
This source [20] from the Daily Star quotes actress Jacey Salles as saying that her character in Hollyoaks, Juanita Salvador Martinez Hernandez De La Cruz, is "like a pantomime villain". Is it acceptable to use? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 11:59, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
And can this one [21] be used for new character, Eva Falco? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 16:12, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
So can they both be used then? 82.47.191.23 ( talk) 17:04, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
This source from the Daily Star features EastEnders' Zainab Masood being referred to in a quote as "We're hoping she'll be just as entertainingly evil when she comes back for Masood's exit storyline." Can this be used as a source due to that quote? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:45, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
I added a source from All About Soap magazine for the Home and Away character Simmo which covers the fortnight starting 31 December 2016 and ending 13 January 2017. It wouldn't let me add the entire date range so I only added the last date. Can someone show me how to add all of it so it is more accurate? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 17:13, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
This article [22] makes a reference in the last paragraph about Hollyoaks' Cindy Cunningham's "villainous gold digging days". Can this be used as a source for her? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:04, 21 February 2017 (UTC)
This article [23] on Digital Spy refers to Ken Barlow as a "villain". Should it be added to the list? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 16:49, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
This article in The Sun [24] refers to EastEnders' Charlie Cotton as having an "evil streak", inherited from his father. Can this source be used? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 21:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Per a previous discussion, we should limit, where possible, each name to three references each, otherwise it is WP:REFOVERKILL. References using the word "villain" are preferable to all others, so anyone wanting to cut down the refs would have to check each one for the best. anemone projectors 19:06, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
Unsurprisingly it's mostly UK soaps that are over-referenced. We should look at removing references for: (from Coronation Street) Tracey Barlow, Richard Hillman, David Platt, John Stape, Charlie Stubbs, (from EastEnders) Bobby Beale, Derek Branning, Janine Butcher, Nick Cotton, Stella Crawford, Claudette Hubbard, Archie Mitchell, Phil Mitchell, Trevor Morgan, Steve Owen, Den Watts, (from Emmerdale) Graham Clark, Cain Dingle, Nicola King, (from Hollyoaks) Nico Blake, Silas Blissett, Brendan Brady, Clare Devine, Rob Hawthorne, (from Home and Away) Johnny Cooper, and (from The Young and The Restless) Sheila Carter. And any I might have missed. anemone projectors 13:20, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
This source [25] that has been added for Calvin Valentine in Hollyoaks, describes "his villainous ways". Is it definitely referring to Calvin or to Warren Fox who is also mentioned in the article? If it is referring to Calvin, is it OK to use? 77.97.55.147 ( talk) 18:54, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Express article [26] is it suitable to add? 82.132.238.113 ( talk) 08:41, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
Can this [27] be used as it claims Lee is a villain in his own story? 82.132.235.206 ( talk) 22:56, 2 May 2017 (UTC)
In this article [29] Palmer's actor uses the term villain about his character but is it okay to use? 82.132.244.228 ( talk) 09:39, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
P.S. could I use this link [30] also for another character Tug. 82.132.244.228 ( talk) 21:32, 14 May 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I found this gallery [31] that features multiple soap characters being called villains, can it be used? 94.197.166.43 ( talk) 23:09, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
With Dermott in Redwater being classed on Digital Spy here as a villain, should he be added? 188.30.121.147 ( talk) 10:15, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
Does this [32] qualify as a source for adding Nick to the list? 82.132.246.137 ( talk) 18:44, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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Can villains from both shows with reliable sources be added? As both shows are covered in Inside Soap as a soap and Digital Spy has the shows in it's soaps section? 82.132.237.235 ( talk) 23:53, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
This link says "once the true villain responsible for the Lassister's explosion" [33] so does that mean it can be added for Julie Quill as she was one of the people responsible? 82.132.228.41 ( talk) 13:34, 4 June 2017 (UTC)
Is this article where a character is called an antagonist enough to add him to the list [34] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.123.88 ( talk) 09:50, 12 June 2017 (UTC)