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Small, or large, should be classed on area. Population figures signify the number of people living there, regardless of size. A city, or a country, might be much larger than another but less populated. (Unsigned comment as of 21:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC))
shouldn't Canterbury be on this list? I'm not sure how exhaustive this list is but at any rate the page for Canterbury gives a population of less than Salisbury, and is listed on City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom 82.3.91.188
Hi. I created this page by going through the list of cities on the City status in the United Kingdom page and checking their individual pages for the populations stated. Then I checked the council websites for more up-to-date census information. What I should have done is put my sources up here, sorry about that. Can't do that right now as don't really have an hour free but will get around to it in a while, in the meantime if anyone wants to do this instead it would be very much appreciated. Thanks. -- Sachabrunel 19:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, also I notice quite a few of the populations have been changed, wouldn't know where those came from. -- Sachabrunel 19:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
If you want small cities - try Golovin, Alaska, supposedly a city with 144 inhabitants. The rest of the settlements around the Nome area also claim to be cities and are nearly all under 600 inhabitants. Can this be correct? Jack 21:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is about areas with city charters. Indeed, its utility may be in exposing and exploiting the fact that some very small settlements are officially classified as cities (St David's and Wells are famous for being so small). There is the use. However, the population numbers are not for the official definition of the city, as City of Durham, City of Carlisle, City of Canterbury, City and District of St Albans etc don't conform with the boundaries of the towns to which the population numbers refer. Hence, to use the populations of the towns contradicts the purpose of this article: to detail the smallest official cities. Bastin 12:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Of particular note here is that the population of Durham district is just over double that of Durham city, any reason why the district number is taken as the population? (BHG) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BHGobuchul ( talk • contribs) 23:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
So unless there were two separate 2001 censuses in the UK (there weren't) either this topic or Wells' own is incorrect. This puts it at 2nd in England, 3rd in the UK with 10,000 inhabitants; whereas its topic buts it at 4th in England (linking to this topic) and 7th in the UK with C.15,000 inhabitants. Any particular reason? Has someone included outlying areas in one of the statistics, or a typo made? Either way, both cannot be right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.64.97 ( talk) 15:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Should this list not include overseas territories? The city of Hamilton, Bermuda would then surely be the smallest? Owain ( talk) 16:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Both Canterbury and St. Albans are listed as cities elsewhere in Wikiepdia and meet the size criteria listed here, but are missing. Suggest they should be added for consistency. 213.105.184.218 ( talk) 10:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that Derry is used in this list however I'm thinking, as the lead mentions chartered cities and since Londonderry is the name used in that city's charter, should we follow the consensus currently on City status in the United Kingdom and use Londonderry in context of the chartered and official name? The C of E. God Save The Queen! ( talk) 14:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh just stop—everyone knows what it is referring to.
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Populations really should now be updated to the 2011 census, at the very least.
Also - would it be possible to include the land area of the cities? Might be interesting. Argovian ( talk) 15:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Have done this - work in progress as some 2001 numbers are wrong such as ward counts etc.
Where I haven't put refs those counts are from the settlement wiki page, which usually has an 2011 count and a ref to back those up.
The figures with refs aren't perfect, a few are estimates or no straightforward count for 2011 so used an extrapolation of ward counts etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Equalizer ( talk • contribs) 12:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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@ The Equalizer: Unclear why this needs to be a separate article when you can just sort the population column of List of cities in the United Kingdom. That article is much more useful than this one, which does nothing to establish this set of smaller cities as distinct from the list as a whole. Reywas92 Talk 03:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Field | List of smallest... | List of cities |
---|---|---|
Rank by 2011 population | Yes | No |
City name | Yes | Yes |
Population (2001) | Yes | No |
Population (2011) | Yes | Yes |
Nation/Region | Partial | Yes |
County | Yes | No |
Area (body) | Yes | No |
Area (locale) | Yes | No |
Area (body as % of locale) | Yes | No |
Year city status granted | No | Yes |
Cathedral | No | Yes |
Council type | No | Yes |
Image | No | Yes |
So it's clear that we two separate articles here. I could see benefit in a reorganisation of this article to be a complete list of cities by area and population for all cities, maybe adding population density as well if that is available, but that's a separate discussion. Thryduulf ( talk) 10:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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Small, or large, should be classed on area. Population figures signify the number of people living there, regardless of size. A city, or a country, might be much larger than another but less populated. (Unsigned comment as of 21:23, 28 April 2017 (UTC))
shouldn't Canterbury be on this list? I'm not sure how exhaustive this list is but at any rate the page for Canterbury gives a population of less than Salisbury, and is listed on City_status_in_the_United_Kingdom 82.3.91.188
Hi. I created this page by going through the list of cities on the City status in the United Kingdom page and checking their individual pages for the populations stated. Then I checked the council websites for more up-to-date census information. What I should have done is put my sources up here, sorry about that. Can't do that right now as don't really have an hour free but will get around to it in a while, in the meantime if anyone wants to do this instead it would be very much appreciated. Thanks. -- Sachabrunel 19:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Oh, also I notice quite a few of the populations have been changed, wouldn't know where those came from. -- Sachabrunel 19:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
If you want small cities - try Golovin, Alaska, supposedly a city with 144 inhabitants. The rest of the settlements around the Nome area also claim to be cities and are nearly all under 600 inhabitants. Can this be correct? Jack 21:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
This article is about areas with city charters. Indeed, its utility may be in exposing and exploiting the fact that some very small settlements are officially classified as cities (St David's and Wells are famous for being so small). There is the use. However, the population numbers are not for the official definition of the city, as City of Durham, City of Carlisle, City of Canterbury, City and District of St Albans etc don't conform with the boundaries of the towns to which the population numbers refer. Hence, to use the populations of the towns contradicts the purpose of this article: to detail the smallest official cities. Bastin 12:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
Of particular note here is that the population of Durham district is just over double that of Durham city, any reason why the district number is taken as the population? (BHG) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BHGobuchul ( talk • contribs) 23:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
So unless there were two separate 2001 censuses in the UK (there weren't) either this topic or Wells' own is incorrect. This puts it at 2nd in England, 3rd in the UK with 10,000 inhabitants; whereas its topic buts it at 4th in England (linking to this topic) and 7th in the UK with C.15,000 inhabitants. Any particular reason? Has someone included outlying areas in one of the statistics, or a typo made? Either way, both cannot be right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.242.64.97 ( talk) 15:57, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Should this list not include overseas territories? The city of Hamilton, Bermuda would then surely be the smallest? Owain ( talk) 16:11, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Both Canterbury and St. Albans are listed as cities elsewhere in Wikiepdia and meet the size criteria listed here, but are missing. Suggest they should be added for consistency. 213.105.184.218 ( talk) 10:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed that Derry is used in this list however I'm thinking, as the lead mentions chartered cities and since Londonderry is the name used in that city's charter, should we follow the consensus currently on City status in the United Kingdom and use Londonderry in context of the chartered and official name? The C of E. God Save The Queen! ( talk) 14:41, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh just stop—everyone knows what it is referring to.
Sans culottes (
talk
01:27, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Populations really should now be updated to the 2011 census, at the very least.
Also - would it be possible to include the land area of the cities? Might be interesting. Argovian ( talk) 15:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Have done this - work in progress as some 2001 numbers are wrong such as ward counts etc.
Where I haven't put refs those counts are from the settlement wiki page, which usually has an 2011 count and a ref to back those up.
The figures with refs aren't perfect, a few are estimates or no straightforward count for 2011 so used an extrapolation of ward counts etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by The Equalizer ( talk • contribs) 12:02, 2 April 2017 (UTC)
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@ The Equalizer: Unclear why this needs to be a separate article when you can just sort the population column of List of cities in the United Kingdom. That article is much more useful than this one, which does nothing to establish this set of smaller cities as distinct from the list as a whole. Reywas92 Talk 03:29, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Field | List of smallest... | List of cities |
---|---|---|
Rank by 2011 population | Yes | No |
City name | Yes | Yes |
Population (2001) | Yes | No |
Population (2011) | Yes | Yes |
Nation/Region | Partial | Yes |
County | Yes | No |
Area (body) | Yes | No |
Area (locale) | Yes | No |
Area (body as % of locale) | Yes | No |
Year city status granted | No | Yes |
Cathedral | No | Yes |
Council type | No | Yes |
Image | No | Yes |
So it's clear that we two separate articles here. I could see benefit in a reorganisation of this article to be a complete list of cities by area and population for all cities, maybe adding population density as well if that is available, but that's a separate discussion. Thryduulf ( talk) 10:23, 14 November 2019 (UTC)