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If tables aren't implemented (as proposed in the previous section), then the section "Listing by tributary structure" -> "Pacific Ocean" ought to be divided into (1) Columbia River, & (2) all other streams emptying directly into the sea. The present organization makes it very difficult to find the rivers/streams in the second group. -- llywrch ( talk) 20:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
east fork, west fork; (why doesn't it appear in one of these?: [2] [3] [4])
— EncMstr 23:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
As this list gets longer and more complete, is there some way to make it less unwieldy? Perhaps there is some way to make the minor tributary creeks be in collapsible sections. Other ideas are welcome. Katr67 ( talk) 06:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
This is a list from NOAA of flood warnings. The drop-down menus for the tributaries might give some idea which creeks might be good candidates for inclusion in the list and for articles, as they may be more notable for their "floodproneness".
A non-profit, "Protecting Natural Flows in Oregon Rivers".
Katr67 ( talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
State of Oregon site--"Find your watershed". Katr67 ( talk) 23:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I found this funny little list, but it doesn't have Oregon in it. Finding the info and adding it to the list might be a good afternoon's project for someone. Katr67 ( talk) 22:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
This seems like the awesome type of list to raise to featured status, but I'm pretty sure it won't get there unless we use tables. We should probably keep the current format of sections for an alphabetical listing and tributary structure. I hope I'm not jumping into this too fast, but here's a suggestion for how to build the tables. I'm using the Columbia and Willamette as examples.
Name | Image | Description | References |
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Columbia River |
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The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, the 2,000-km Columbia flows from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [1] |
Willamette River |
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Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [2] [3] |
Feel free to list other suggestions about the table. -- Jsayre64 (talk) 02:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Name | photo | length | max flow | min flow | drop | dams | color | sub/urban | description | references |
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Columbia River |
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2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) [1] | 750000 cfs [1] | 32 cfs [1] | 8,000 metres (26,000 ft) [1] | 121 [1] | mostly brown | 2.17% [1] | The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [2] |
Willamette River |
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200 kilometres (120 mi) [1] | 75000 cfs [1] | 8 cfs [1] | 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) [1] | 0.5 [1] | mostly blue | 11.7% [1] | Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [3] [4] |
Another option is to copy the table format in List of longest streams of Oregon, a featured list. Or maybe we could combine your suggested format with that one, so long as the table doesn't become too wide. -- Jsayre64 (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Name | Photo | Length | Max. flow | Min. flow | Source | Mouth | Drop | Number of dams | Color | Sub/urban | Description | References |
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Columbia River |
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2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) | 750000 cfs | 32 cfs | Columbia Lake, British Columbia, 50°13′00″N 115°51′00″W / 50.21667°N 115.85000°W | Pacific Ocean, 46°14′39″N 124°03′29″W / 46.24417°N 124.05806°W | 8,000 metres (26,000 ft) | 121 | Mostly brown | 2.17% | The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [1] [2] [3] |
Willamette River |
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200 kilometres (120 mi) | 75000 cfs | 8 cfs | Near Eugene, 44°01′23″N 123°01′25″W / 44.02306°N 123.02361°W | Near Portland, 45°39′10″N 122°45′53″W / 45.65278°N 122.76472°W | 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) | 0.5 | Mostly blue | 11.7% | Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [4] [5] |
-- Jsayre64 (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
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Here's an example of what can be set up with the new templates:
-- Jsayre64 (talk) 02:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jsayre, looks like you're doing some excellent work exploring the options, without a lot of input! Having worked on some pretty complicated, structured articles myself, I sympathize.
In general, I like the nested/collapsible bullets you show above, and I like the collapsible table cell feature as well. I guess I have two general suggestions for you, to move this forward:
(1) I think it's easier for somebody new to this discussion, rather than reading and thinking through a lot of detailed description, to simply look at an example. So, I would encourage you to be bold and edit some of the content of this page in a way that you think is an improvement. Even if it's just a couple of rivers. If you're worried about an inconsistent article, you could even make the edit, and then revert it, so that you have a past revision to point to. Or you could put an actual example of what you'd like to do here on the talk page.
(2) I wouldn't get too hung up on the question of what is the best way to break up "big" and "small" rivers. Names of "river" or "creek" can be pretty arbitrary and inconsistent, and length is often wildly different from volume, or economic significance, or scenic beauty. Ultimately, the most important thing is to have a list that helps the reader absorb a lot of detailed information, and/or drill down to the info they most need; I trust your judgment on a case-by-case basis a lot more than I'd trust any specific "rule."
Hope this helps, and I'll try to check back soon -- I don't play enough tennis as it is ;) - Pete ( talk) 02:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Name | Photo | Length | Max. flow recorded | Min. flow recorded | Source | Mouth | Drainage area | Number of dams | Color | Sub/urban | Description | References |
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Columbia River |
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1,243 miles (2,000 km) | 1,240,000 cubic feet per second (35,000 m3/s) | 12,100 cubic feet per second (340 m3/s) | Columbia Lake, British Columbia, 50°13′00″N 115°51′00″W / 50.21667°N 115.85000°W | Pacific Ocean, 46°14′39″N 124°03′29″W / 46.24417°N 124.05806°W | 258,000 square miles (670,000 km2) | 14 | Mostly brown | 2.17% | The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] |
Willamette River |
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187 miles (301 km) | 460,000 cubic feet per second (13,000 m3/s) | 4,200 cubic feet per second (120 m3/s) | Near Eugene, 44°01′23″N 123°01′25″W / 44.02306°N 123.02361°W | Near Portland, 45°39′10″N 122°45′53″W / 45.65278°N 122.76472°W | 11,478 square miles (29,730 km2) | 15 | Mostly blue | 11.7% | Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] |
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If tables aren't implemented (as proposed in the previous section), then the section "Listing by tributary structure" -> "Pacific Ocean" ought to be divided into (1) Columbia River, & (2) all other streams emptying directly into the sea. The present organization makes it very difficult to find the rivers/streams in the second group. -- llywrch ( talk) 20:21, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
east fork, west fork; (why doesn't it appear in one of these?: [2] [3] [4])
— EncMstr 23:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
As this list gets longer and more complete, is there some way to make it less unwieldy? Perhaps there is some way to make the minor tributary creeks be in collapsible sections. Other ideas are welcome. Katr67 ( talk) 06:07, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
This is a list from NOAA of flood warnings. The drop-down menus for the tributaries might give some idea which creeks might be good candidates for inclusion in the list and for articles, as they may be more notable for their "floodproneness".
A non-profit, "Protecting Natural Flows in Oregon Rivers".
Katr67 ( talk) 22:34, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
State of Oregon site--"Find your watershed". Katr67 ( talk) 23:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
I found this funny little list, but it doesn't have Oregon in it. Finding the info and adding it to the list might be a good afternoon's project for someone. Katr67 ( talk) 22:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
This seems like the awesome type of list to raise to featured status, but I'm pretty sure it won't get there unless we use tables. We should probably keep the current format of sections for an alphabetical listing and tributary structure. I hope I'm not jumping into this too fast, but here's a suggestion for how to build the tables. I'm using the Columbia and Willamette as examples.
Name | Image | Description | References |
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Columbia River |
![]() |
The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, the 2,000-km Columbia flows from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [1] |
Willamette River |
![]() |
Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [2] [3] |
Feel free to list other suggestions about the table. -- Jsayre64 (talk) 02:12, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
Name | photo | length | max flow | min flow | drop | dams | color | sub/urban | description | references |
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Columbia River |
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2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) [1] | 750000 cfs [1] | 32 cfs [1] | 8,000 metres (26,000 ft) [1] | 121 [1] | mostly brown | 2.17% [1] | The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [2] |
Willamette River |
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200 kilometres (120 mi) [1] | 75000 cfs [1] | 8 cfs [1] | 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) [1] | 0.5 [1] | mostly blue | 11.7% [1] | Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [3] [4] |
Another option is to copy the table format in List of longest streams of Oregon, a featured list. Or maybe we could combine your suggested format with that one, so long as the table doesn't become too wide. -- Jsayre64 (talk) 00:37, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Name | Photo | Length | Max. flow | Min. flow | Source | Mouth | Drop | Number of dams | Color | Sub/urban | Description | References |
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Columbia River |
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2,000 kilometres (1,200 mi) | 750000 cfs | 32 cfs | Columbia Lake, British Columbia, 50°13′00″N 115°51′00″W / 50.21667°N 115.85000°W | Pacific Ocean, 46°14′39″N 124°03′29″W / 46.24417°N 124.05806°W | 8,000 metres (26,000 ft) | 121 | Mostly brown | 2.17% | The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [1] [2] [3] |
Willamette River |
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200 kilometres (120 mi) | 75000 cfs | 8 cfs | Near Eugene, 44°01′23″N 123°01′25″W / 44.02306°N 123.02361°W | Near Portland, 45°39′10″N 122°45′53″W / 45.65278°N 122.76472°W | 2,000 metres (6,600 ft) | 0.5 | Mostly blue | 11.7% | Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [4] [5] |
-- Jsayre64 (talk) 16:11, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
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* Top level
* Top Level :* Level 2
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-- Jsayre64 (talk) 23:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Here's an example of what can be set up with the new templates:
-- Jsayre64 (talk) 02:55, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Hi Jsayre, looks like you're doing some excellent work exploring the options, without a lot of input! Having worked on some pretty complicated, structured articles myself, I sympathize.
In general, I like the nested/collapsible bullets you show above, and I like the collapsible table cell feature as well. I guess I have two general suggestions for you, to move this forward:
(1) I think it's easier for somebody new to this discussion, rather than reading and thinking through a lot of detailed description, to simply look at an example. So, I would encourage you to be bold and edit some of the content of this page in a way that you think is an improvement. Even if it's just a couple of rivers. If you're worried about an inconsistent article, you could even make the edit, and then revert it, so that you have a past revision to point to. Or you could put an actual example of what you'd like to do here on the talk page.
(2) I wouldn't get too hung up on the question of what is the best way to break up "big" and "small" rivers. Names of "river" or "creek" can be pretty arbitrary and inconsistent, and length is often wildly different from volume, or economic significance, or scenic beauty. Ultimately, the most important thing is to have a list that helps the reader absorb a lot of detailed information, and/or drill down to the info they most need; I trust your judgment on a case-by-case basis a lot more than I'd trust any specific "rule."
Hope this helps, and I'll try to check back soon -- I don't play enough tennis as it is ;) - Pete ( talk) 02:14, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Name | Photo | Length | Max. flow recorded | Min. flow recorded | Source | Mouth | Drainage area | Number of dams | Color | Sub/urban | Description | References |
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Columbia River |
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1,243 miles (2,000 km) | 1,240,000 cubic feet per second (35,000 m3/s) | 12,100 cubic feet per second (340 m3/s) | Columbia Lake, British Columbia, 50°13′00″N 115°51′00″W / 50.21667°N 115.85000°W | Pacific Ocean, 46°14′39″N 124°03′29″W / 46.24417°N 124.05806°W | 258,000 square miles (670,000 km2) | 14 | Mostly brown | 2.17% | The longest river in the Pacific Northwest, from southeastern British Columbia south through Washington and east along the Oregon-Washington border into the Pacific Ocean. | [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] |
Willamette River |
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187 miles (301 km) | 460,000 cubic feet per second (13,000 m3/s) | 4,200 cubic feet per second (120 m3/s) | Near Eugene, 44°01′23″N 123°01′25″W / 44.02306°N 123.02361°W | Near Portland, 45°39′10″N 122°45′53″W / 45.65278°N 122.76472°W | 11,478 square miles (29,730 km2) | 15 | Mostly blue | 11.7% | Named after a Clackamas Indian village, the Willamette flows from the Cascade foothills north through the Willamette Valley into the Columbia River in Portland. | [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] |
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Feedback is always welcome. -- Jsayre64 (talk) 02:31, 25 June 2011 (UTC)