![]() | This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The River Foulness is missing from the list. I am unsure where to place it. It flows into the Market Weighton Canal which joins the Humber at Weighton Lock. May be it should go between Ouse & Hull
Keith D 23:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This list is absurd in nature and contains many absurdities, since it lists so-called "rivers" that aren't rivers at all - but rather are merely brooks, streams, creeks, and so forth. At least, here in North America we understand the difference between these minor watercourses and real rivers. For example, going clockwise around the continent, the Niagara River, the St. Lawrence River, the Hudson River, the Delaware River, the Susquehanna River, the Potomac River, the Savannah River, the Chattahoochee River, the Ohio River, the Missouri River, the Mississippi River, the Colorado River, the Columbia River, the Yukon River, and so forth. To this, we will add the Thames River and the Severn River, for example. Dale101usa ( talk) 15:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that every single watercourse in Britain should be on this page. Where is Fairham Brook?
Ik begrijp niet de kritiek op de opsomming van rivieren in the UK. Vergelijkenderwijs worden rivieren in de USA genoemd met hun klassificaties. Maar dit Wikepedia hoofdstuk gaat niet over USA rivieren,dus elk vergelijk is zinloos. Ik mis in het UK rivierenoverzicht aanwijzingen voor plezier(motorboot)vaart. Hoe is de vaardiepte en hoe zijn de brughoogten.Gezien het bestaan van de narrowboats moet worden aangenomen dat ook de breedte van het vaarwater in de UK een heikel punt is. Dit zijn essentiele zaken voor de pleziervaarder(ik ben er ook zo een)in Nederland, die overweegt met zijn boot een oversteek te maken en de UK van het water af te ervaren. Heeft U ervaring, aanwijzingen of aanbevolen litteratuur, meldt dit dan aan <email redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.140.137.4 ( talk) 09:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
How come we don't have any decent map indicating the main rivers in England or the UK, or just in individual regions? Is it any lack of agreement over the question that hangs above the previous discussion, namely which rivers constitute the principal ones, or are there copyright-related problems which prevent any such map from being created for Wikipedia? The latter seems unlikely to me given what maps we do have at Commons. Some manual highlighting
here or
here, for instance, could be one way forward, but then how about svg maps?
This one looks potentially workable, if much less detailed.
Cavila (
talk)
07:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
There may well be a good reason for this but why do we start this list at The Lizard rather than Land's End which is a more frequent starting point for descriptions of the British (or indeed English) coast. Geopersona ( talk) 04:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC) And, after all, checking the page on the English Channel this seems to be defined by the IHO with reference to Land's End rather than the Lizard. Geopersona ( talk) 04:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Belatedly, I've just noticed two major omissions from the map - the River Wye and the River Mersey. There may be others - I haven't done an exhaustive check. What were the criteria for inclusion in the map? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 07:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
When I went through the island for rivers and checked them out for accuracy (eg, via terrain feature on google maps), I had a major problem distinguishing canals from rivers unless it was obvious—I will appreciate any corrections, Geopersona, please take as much time as you need and be as thorough as seems practical, noting anything that should be corrected. I have all the rivers by name, so you can refer to them that way. (minutia: if you think something is wrong but aren't sure and can't verify, mention the fact and we can go from there)
For canals, it would be good if someone put together a list and came up with a reliable way to map them, both to clean up the map in question here, and for their own sake ... History_of_the_British_canal_system is already an article, and there is a also Template:Canals of the United Kingdom, neither with a map.
I suspect the choice of rivers was arbitrary ... the Medway was famous in AD 43, perhaps not since. The Itchen is probably there to fill out a blank space or because Winchester is on it. Some other rivers probably added to fill out blank spaces, or because it has particular interest to the original compiler of the list.
An error not previously noted: France, like Scotland and Wales, is not a part of England ... I'll shade it out when I update the map. Perhaps a least-bad way to organize the rivers is by catchment, but that's no more than a casual bystander's comment. Regards, Notuncurious ( talk) 15:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm finding now, both whilst editing and whilst viewing, that given the increasing numbers of entries in the list/s, many of the sections in this article are becoming more difficult to navigate, more difficult to alight on particular watercourses and the wider catchments to which they belong. I propose therefore that we consider how the article might best be restructured. Some time ago, I set each of the watercourses in its sister list for Wales under catchment headings - that seemed to work though there are fewer w/courses for Wales in any case. We could adopt that approach though the nav panel at the start of the article then becomes rather large itself! An interim measure would see the existing section boundaries altered giving us more sections but with fewer entries in each. Any thoughts? Geopersona ( talk) 12:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I have now made the change to the article. The number of rivers has risen greatly in certain catchments where the list was very much incomplete beforehand. I have also indicated whether rivers are main stem, left or right bank tribuaries. In the course of re-structuring it became apparent that many editors had misunderstood the original layout and arranged tributaries in an order contrary to that of the majority (as described in the introductory text). I have attempted to address this, though I haven't been able to determine the locations and relationships of a few watercourses, and so they have been assigned question-marks (?) temporarily. Any assistance with these would be welcome.
There are also a substantial number of tributaries in two particular catchments which I have not assigned either L or R to; these are the Mersey and Thames catchments. In the first case they include large numbers of relatively minor streams and in the latter a large number of subterranean watercourses and others whose course through London is difficult to determine simply from OS 25K and 50K maps. Attention from other editors to these areas would be most welcome. The changes to this article bring it into line with the articles for Scotland and Wales. I hope folks find them beneficial - I would emphasis that the new material is very much based on the hard work of many previous editors. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 18:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Please see the discussion Talk:List of rivers of Wales#Small streams - where do we draw the line? A proposal. It is pertinent to this page too and its Scottish equivalent. thanks Geopersona ( talk) 08:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know of a reference for the River Biem which purports to be a tributary of the River Soar in the Trent/Humber catchment? I've failed to find it on OS 25K, 50K and 1" mapping cheers Geopersona ( talk) 09:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Again, can anyone reference this river? It purports to be a tributary of the River Pang in the Thames catchment, joining the Pang at Compton but it does not appear on the OS 25K or 50K maps though there are one or two 'Roden' place names nearby. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 11:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I've just spotted another minor error on the map, in London: The canal system (Grand Union, Paddington Arm etc) is shown as part of the River Colne. The blue squiggle representing the latter therefore appears flow east, picking up the River Brent as a left-bank tributary, and flow into the Lea. It should actually meet the Thames at Staines (upstream of the River Wey), while the Brent should continue south to the Thames at Brentford. Pterre ( talk) 18:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Categorising rivers into catchments is not always so straightforward as might first be imagined. There are those rivers like the Yorkshire Ouse and the River Trent which discharge into a common estuary - the Humber in their case. The 'River Humber' (as it is often known) is one of a small group of 'rivers' which are entirely estuarine, they have no non-tidal parts. In restructuring the article, I have chosen to adopt the Trent and Ouse as first-order rivers ie main stems rather than include the Humber as such - it helps with the layout of the article as much as anything. Suffolk's River Orwell is the tidal portion of the River Gipping - I have chosen to include them as one river (with wikilinks to separate articles on both) rather than have the Gipping as a tributary of the Orwell. The Thames and certain other southern English rivers have various distributaries which part from the main river then reconnect further downstream. The most significant of these have their own names and so I have included them. Though most may not warrant their own Wikipedia articles, I took the line that possession of a 'river name' of their own merited their inclusion in this list since it would assist anyone searching for reference to them and understanding their geographical context. Similar issues arise in The Fens where artificial drainage channels (often going by the name of '... river') cross-link originally naturally-directed watercourses and serve to make the picture somewhat complex. It is inevitable that in trying to impose order on an assemblage of features which are not constrained by our artificial rules, there will be inconsistenecies. It would be useful to debate these. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
In the recent reorganisation of the list we have lost the division by coast (North Sea, English Channel, Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea). This seems to me such a fundamental distinction that it should be restored.
I am also doubtful about the subheadings by catchment. They seem to duplicate info which is obvious from the list, and unnecessarily lengthen the list. Any comments? -- Mhockey ( talk) 11:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Flowing into Irish Sea
Flowing into the Atlantic & Western Approaches
Flowing into the English Channel
Flowing into the North Sea
The river that exits at Lyme Regis (the river Lyme) is listed here as the "River Lim" and the link directs you to a river in Serbia. This needs correcting! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.220.193 ( talk) 03:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Under the Welland Catchment is 'New River', which links to a cut near London. This is obviously wrong. What should it link to? -- Robert EA Harvey ( talk) 08:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I am not sufficiently sure of my facts to edit the article, which presently says
As I understand it, the N branch is on the left when looking downstream, the south on the right. Therefore the artcle needs an edit. Is my understanding right? -- SGBailey ( talk) 15:35, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Just to confirm things, here is ascii art of my understanding of the naming
River A -----------\ \ River C x >-------------. (The sea) / ------------ River B
If River A and River C are the same river and River B is the tributary we have
If River B and River C are the same river and River A is the tributary we have
If all rivers are distinct, we have
Is this right? -- SGBailey ( talk) 07:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
As part of the WFD the EA have produced a list of waterbodies (Rivers, Lakes etc) the files are WFD csv files The list is not perfect, but it is accessible and may help with some of the queries raised on this page - the bonus is that it also lists river lengths and catchment areas.
In addition, on the EA website What’s in your backyard provides an interactive map, where you can check to see the extent of these waterbodies. By changing the 'Other topics in this Area' to 'Risk of flooding from Rivers and the Sea' you can then see the extent of the EA Main Rivers, although you may have to zoom in to get them to appear.
SEPA have done something similar here but not as csv files just a long list of waterbodies.
Hope this helps Jokulhlaup ( talk) 19:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
In this list the Glaze Brook is correctly shown as a tributary of the Devon Avon. However Glaze Brook currently links to a page about a completely different river near Manchester. Sorry I don't yet know how to change this otherwise I'd do it myself. 86.150.255.84 ( talk) 17:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Chocolateer in his edit summary said "traditional Yorkshire ends with the Tees as the border into Durham therefore right of the Tees is Yorkshire and Left is County Durham. Redcar is not the traditional border." That may be so but it misses the point - the choice of Redcar is simply to allow the Tees to feature as a catchment in its entirety. Choosing the Tees as the end of the section and then dividing it into a left and a right catchment made it inconsistent with the approach used for all the other rivers in this list which is why I've returned the list to its earlier state. This list is not an attempt to describe county boundaries, old or new, it's about rivers and their tributaries, a purely physical feature of the English landscape. thanks Geopersona ( talk) 06:02, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
This is confusing and may require further consideration to accurately describe what is going on between Market Deeping and Peterborough. The main flow of the Welland appears to continue as the Maxey Cut whilst two watercourses (one labelled as River Welland) head off NE to rejoin the waters of the Maxey Cut east of Northborough. Then there's the "River Welland (old course)" - confusing? cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
I added an item and link to the existing article for Land Yeo that flows through Clevedon to the sea. From what I understand Blind Yeo is a flood relief channel for Land Yeo around Clevedon and empties into the sea so isn't a River ("A river is a natural flowing watercourse..."). I've not removed the item yet.
The neighbouring Middle Yeo seems to be another named drain rather than a river.
Platinke ( talk) 18:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a note at the foot of the article explaining that the details in the list are obtained from the OS 25K, 50K and 1" maps and that holds generally true. I've become aware that there are some which do not appear on those map series but which nevertheless are named on OS 6" or 25" maps - it would be useful for editors to record that detail, though going back through the material might take a while. Looking at the recent changes by an IP editor to tributaries of Malham Beck/Gordale beck, I also note discrepancies between OS maps of different date and different series - not wholly surprising - but, which is to take preference - the older more detailed map or the more recent one? Hell Gill Sike and Hanlith Gill (Sike) are an example. Geopersona ( talk) 07:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The term 'main rivers' is, as has been noted above, defined statutorily and does not coincide with what a member of the public might consider to be the key watercourses in an area. Perusing the maps of main rivers available on-line via the Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales, shows many significant watercourses to be omitted from the map/list and many trivial* (and often un-named) ones to be included. *'Trivial' in the sense of their presence in the landscape - length, flow etc but presumably not trivial when it comes for example to their potential for causing disruption through flooding. Thus the text which previously suggested the list aspired to inclusion of all of the 'main rivers' (as defined and mapped) seems misplaced, hence I have removed much of it and pointed out the mis-match between 'main rivers' and watercourses which might be deemed significant enough for inclusion on this list. I viewed the EA map via a link from https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/main-river-map-for-england-proposed-changes-and-decisions and the NRW map at https://datamap.gov.wales/maps/new?layer=inspire-nrw:NRW_MAIN_RIVERS#/ thanks Geopersona ( talk) 17:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
![]() | This article is rated List-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
The River Foulness is missing from the list. I am unsure where to place it. It flows into the Market Weighton Canal which joins the Humber at Weighton Lock. May be it should go between Ouse & Hull
Keith D 23:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
This list is absurd in nature and contains many absurdities, since it lists so-called "rivers" that aren't rivers at all - but rather are merely brooks, streams, creeks, and so forth. At least, here in North America we understand the difference between these minor watercourses and real rivers. For example, going clockwise around the continent, the Niagara River, the St. Lawrence River, the Hudson River, the Delaware River, the Susquehanna River, the Potomac River, the Savannah River, the Chattahoochee River, the Ohio River, the Missouri River, the Mississippi River, the Colorado River, the Columbia River, the Yukon River, and so forth. To this, we will add the Thames River and the Severn River, for example. Dale101usa ( talk) 15:29, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that every single watercourse in Britain should be on this page. Where is Fairham Brook?
Ik begrijp niet de kritiek op de opsomming van rivieren in the UK. Vergelijkenderwijs worden rivieren in de USA genoemd met hun klassificaties. Maar dit Wikepedia hoofdstuk gaat niet over USA rivieren,dus elk vergelijk is zinloos. Ik mis in het UK rivierenoverzicht aanwijzingen voor plezier(motorboot)vaart. Hoe is de vaardiepte en hoe zijn de brughoogten.Gezien het bestaan van de narrowboats moet worden aangenomen dat ook de breedte van het vaarwater in de UK een heikel punt is. Dit zijn essentiele zaken voor de pleziervaarder(ik ben er ook zo een)in Nederland, die overweegt met zijn boot een oversteek te maken en de UK van het water af te ervaren. Heeft U ervaring, aanwijzingen of aanbevolen litteratuur, meldt dit dan aan <email redacted> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.140.137.4 ( talk) 09:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
How come we don't have any decent map indicating the main rivers in England or the UK, or just in individual regions? Is it any lack of agreement over the question that hangs above the previous discussion, namely which rivers constitute the principal ones, or are there copyright-related problems which prevent any such map from being created for Wikipedia? The latter seems unlikely to me given what maps we do have at Commons. Some manual highlighting
here or
here, for instance, could be one way forward, but then how about svg maps?
This one looks potentially workable, if much less detailed.
Cavila (
talk)
07:11, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
There may well be a good reason for this but why do we start this list at The Lizard rather than Land's End which is a more frequent starting point for descriptions of the British (or indeed English) coast. Geopersona ( talk) 04:50, 26 September 2010 (UTC) And, after all, checking the page on the English Channel this seems to be defined by the IHO with reference to Land's End rather than the Lizard. Geopersona ( talk) 04:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
Belatedly, I've just noticed two major omissions from the map - the River Wye and the River Mersey. There may be others - I haven't done an exhaustive check. What were the criteria for inclusion in the map? Ghmyrtle ( talk) 07:49, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
When I went through the island for rivers and checked them out for accuracy (eg, via terrain feature on google maps), I had a major problem distinguishing canals from rivers unless it was obvious—I will appreciate any corrections, Geopersona, please take as much time as you need and be as thorough as seems practical, noting anything that should be corrected. I have all the rivers by name, so you can refer to them that way. (minutia: if you think something is wrong but aren't sure and can't verify, mention the fact and we can go from there)
For canals, it would be good if someone put together a list and came up with a reliable way to map them, both to clean up the map in question here, and for their own sake ... History_of_the_British_canal_system is already an article, and there is a also Template:Canals of the United Kingdom, neither with a map.
I suspect the choice of rivers was arbitrary ... the Medway was famous in AD 43, perhaps not since. The Itchen is probably there to fill out a blank space or because Winchester is on it. Some other rivers probably added to fill out blank spaces, or because it has particular interest to the original compiler of the list.
An error not previously noted: France, like Scotland and Wales, is not a part of England ... I'll shade it out when I update the map. Perhaps a least-bad way to organize the rivers is by catchment, but that's no more than a casual bystander's comment. Regards, Notuncurious ( talk) 15:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm finding now, both whilst editing and whilst viewing, that given the increasing numbers of entries in the list/s, many of the sections in this article are becoming more difficult to navigate, more difficult to alight on particular watercourses and the wider catchments to which they belong. I propose therefore that we consider how the article might best be restructured. Some time ago, I set each of the watercourses in its sister list for Wales under catchment headings - that seemed to work though there are fewer w/courses for Wales in any case. We could adopt that approach though the nav panel at the start of the article then becomes rather large itself! An interim measure would see the existing section boundaries altered giving us more sections but with fewer entries in each. Any thoughts? Geopersona ( talk) 12:51, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I have now made the change to the article. The number of rivers has risen greatly in certain catchments where the list was very much incomplete beforehand. I have also indicated whether rivers are main stem, left or right bank tribuaries. In the course of re-structuring it became apparent that many editors had misunderstood the original layout and arranged tributaries in an order contrary to that of the majority (as described in the introductory text). I have attempted to address this, though I haven't been able to determine the locations and relationships of a few watercourses, and so they have been assigned question-marks (?) temporarily. Any assistance with these would be welcome.
There are also a substantial number of tributaries in two particular catchments which I have not assigned either L or R to; these are the Mersey and Thames catchments. In the first case they include large numbers of relatively minor streams and in the latter a large number of subterranean watercourses and others whose course through London is difficult to determine simply from OS 25K and 50K maps. Attention from other editors to these areas would be most welcome. The changes to this article bring it into line with the articles for Scotland and Wales. I hope folks find them beneficial - I would emphasis that the new material is very much based on the hard work of many previous editors. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 18:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Please see the discussion Talk:List of rivers of Wales#Small streams - where do we draw the line? A proposal. It is pertinent to this page too and its Scottish equivalent. thanks Geopersona ( talk) 08:14, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
Anyone know of a reference for the River Biem which purports to be a tributary of the River Soar in the Trent/Humber catchment? I've failed to find it on OS 25K, 50K and 1" mapping cheers Geopersona ( talk) 09:20, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Again, can anyone reference this river? It purports to be a tributary of the River Pang in the Thames catchment, joining the Pang at Compton but it does not appear on the OS 25K or 50K maps though there are one or two 'Roden' place names nearby. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 11:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
I've just spotted another minor error on the map, in London: The canal system (Grand Union, Paddington Arm etc) is shown as part of the River Colne. The blue squiggle representing the latter therefore appears flow east, picking up the River Brent as a left-bank tributary, and flow into the Lea. It should actually meet the Thames at Staines (upstream of the River Wey), while the Brent should continue south to the Thames at Brentford. Pterre ( talk) 18:27, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Categorising rivers into catchments is not always so straightforward as might first be imagined. There are those rivers like the Yorkshire Ouse and the River Trent which discharge into a common estuary - the Humber in their case. The 'River Humber' (as it is often known) is one of a small group of 'rivers' which are entirely estuarine, they have no non-tidal parts. In restructuring the article, I have chosen to adopt the Trent and Ouse as first-order rivers ie main stems rather than include the Humber as such - it helps with the layout of the article as much as anything. Suffolk's River Orwell is the tidal portion of the River Gipping - I have chosen to include them as one river (with wikilinks to separate articles on both) rather than have the Gipping as a tributary of the Orwell. The Thames and certain other southern English rivers have various distributaries which part from the main river then reconnect further downstream. The most significant of these have their own names and so I have included them. Though most may not warrant their own Wikipedia articles, I took the line that possession of a 'river name' of their own merited their inclusion in this list since it would assist anyone searching for reference to them and understanding their geographical context. Similar issues arise in The Fens where artificial drainage channels (often going by the name of '... river') cross-link originally naturally-directed watercourses and serve to make the picture somewhat complex. It is inevitable that in trying to impose order on an assemblage of features which are not constrained by our artificial rules, there will be inconsistenecies. It would be useful to debate these. cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:58, 13 December 2010 (UTC)
In the recent reorganisation of the list we have lost the division by coast (North Sea, English Channel, Atlantic Ocean and Irish Sea). This seems to me such a fundamental distinction that it should be restored.
I am also doubtful about the subheadings by catchment. They seem to duplicate info which is obvious from the list, and unnecessarily lengthen the list. Any comments? -- Mhockey ( talk) 11:36, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
Flowing into Irish Sea
Flowing into the Atlantic & Western Approaches
Flowing into the English Channel
Flowing into the North Sea
The river that exits at Lyme Regis (the river Lyme) is listed here as the "River Lim" and the link directs you to a river in Serbia. This needs correcting! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.22.220.193 ( talk) 03:17, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Under the Welland Catchment is 'New River', which links to a cut near London. This is obviously wrong. What should it link to? -- Robert EA Harvey ( talk) 08:03, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
I am not sufficiently sure of my facts to edit the article, which presently says
As I understand it, the N branch is on the left when looking downstream, the south on the right. Therefore the artcle needs an edit. Is my understanding right? -- SGBailey ( talk) 15:35, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Just to confirm things, here is ascii art of my understanding of the naming
River A -----------\ \ River C x >-------------. (The sea) / ------------ River B
If River A and River C are the same river and River B is the tributary we have
If River B and River C are the same river and River A is the tributary we have
If all rivers are distinct, we have
Is this right? -- SGBailey ( talk) 07:03, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
As part of the WFD the EA have produced a list of waterbodies (Rivers, Lakes etc) the files are WFD csv files The list is not perfect, but it is accessible and may help with some of the queries raised on this page - the bonus is that it also lists river lengths and catchment areas.
In addition, on the EA website What’s in your backyard provides an interactive map, where you can check to see the extent of these waterbodies. By changing the 'Other topics in this Area' to 'Risk of flooding from Rivers and the Sea' you can then see the extent of the EA Main Rivers, although you may have to zoom in to get them to appear.
SEPA have done something similar here but not as csv files just a long list of waterbodies.
Hope this helps Jokulhlaup ( talk) 19:43, 19 February 2013 (UTC)
In this list the Glaze Brook is correctly shown as a tributary of the Devon Avon. However Glaze Brook currently links to a page about a completely different river near Manchester. Sorry I don't yet know how to change this otherwise I'd do it myself. 86.150.255.84 ( talk) 17:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Chocolateer in his edit summary said "traditional Yorkshire ends with the Tees as the border into Durham therefore right of the Tees is Yorkshire and Left is County Durham. Redcar is not the traditional border." That may be so but it misses the point - the choice of Redcar is simply to allow the Tees to feature as a catchment in its entirety. Choosing the Tees as the end of the section and then dividing it into a left and a right catchment made it inconsistent with the approach used for all the other rivers in this list which is why I've returned the list to its earlier state. This list is not an attempt to describe county boundaries, old or new, it's about rivers and their tributaries, a purely physical feature of the English landscape. thanks Geopersona ( talk) 06:02, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
This is confusing and may require further consideration to accurately describe what is going on between Market Deeping and Peterborough. The main flow of the Welland appears to continue as the Maxey Cut whilst two watercourses (one labelled as River Welland) head off NE to rejoin the waters of the Maxey Cut east of Northborough. Then there's the "River Welland (old course)" - confusing? cheers Geopersona ( talk) 06:10, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
I added an item and link to the existing article for Land Yeo that flows through Clevedon to the sea. From what I understand Blind Yeo is a flood relief channel for Land Yeo around Clevedon and empties into the sea so isn't a River ("A river is a natural flowing watercourse..."). I've not removed the item yet.
The neighbouring Middle Yeo seems to be another named drain rather than a river.
Platinke ( talk) 18:08, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
There is a note at the foot of the article explaining that the details in the list are obtained from the OS 25K, 50K and 1" maps and that holds generally true. I've become aware that there are some which do not appear on those map series but which nevertheless are named on OS 6" or 25" maps - it would be useful for editors to record that detail, though going back through the material might take a while. Looking at the recent changes by an IP editor to tributaries of Malham Beck/Gordale beck, I also note discrepancies between OS maps of different date and different series - not wholly surprising - but, which is to take preference - the older more detailed map or the more recent one? Hell Gill Sike and Hanlith Gill (Sike) are an example. Geopersona ( talk) 07:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
The term 'main rivers' is, as has been noted above, defined statutorily and does not coincide with what a member of the public might consider to be the key watercourses in an area. Perusing the maps of main rivers available on-line via the Environment Agency and Natural Resources Wales, shows many significant watercourses to be omitted from the map/list and many trivial* (and often un-named) ones to be included. *'Trivial' in the sense of their presence in the landscape - length, flow etc but presumably not trivial when it comes for example to their potential for causing disruption through flooding. Thus the text which previously suggested the list aspired to inclusion of all of the 'main rivers' (as defined and mapped) seems misplaced, hence I have removed much of it and pointed out the mis-match between 'main rivers' and watercourses which might be deemed significant enough for inclusion on this list. I viewed the EA map via a link from https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/main-river-map-for-england-proposed-changes-and-decisions and the NRW map at https://datamap.gov.wales/maps/new?layer=inspire-nrw:NRW_MAIN_RIVERS#/ thanks Geopersona ( talk) 17:31, 12 November 2022 (UTC)