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It should really be the president first, then the institution. The institution should be linked too. -- Jia ng 01:52, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Did JQA get a degree from University of Leiden? If we are including colleges attended then there will be at least a few more to add. Bkonrad | Talk
I recommend changing "dropped out" to "withdrew" and "flunked out" to "academically expelled" on the grounds that they sound much more encyclopedic. Captain Jackson 22:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose that we slightly adjust the listing order, to list those institutions which have sent multiple grads to the presidency, and perhaps giving preference to those who actually graduated (e.g. in the law school section Yale with its two graduates would trump Columbia with two less-than graduates). Within levels alphabetical would be used. Is there consensus for this change? Since there doesn't seem to be much traffic here, I'm going to bold and make the change unilaterally unless anyone objects within the next 72 hours. -- Ybbor Talk 01:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Don't know how one would go about doin something to it, but it seems it'd be worth adding what they got their degrees in. W. Bush in History, Clinton in Government, etc. MRig ( talk) 17:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree that their Majors should be listed. I can't find a combined list of that information anywhere. Kikster 18:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholettesams ( talk • contribs)
So, apparently, there is a move to place those presidents who received JD's as "doctorates." While the Juris Doctor is certainly a "doctorate" in some sense, my main objection to this is that it draws a false distinction between Presidents who received LLBs and JDs when the degrees are, functionally, interchangeable. May I propose that the second "Doctorate" section to a "Law School" section and include all the Presidents with post-graduate law degrees? JEB90 ( talk) 18:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Cill Clinton did not graduate from Oxford. He dropped out.
John F. Kennedy briefly audited at Stanford. He never officially registed there.
Both of these might be true. Please find a source. Ratemonth ( talk) 17:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
http://news.stanford.edu/thedish/?p=9011
According to Stanford Newspaper. JFG briefly audited at Stanford. JFK never registered as a official student. — Preceding
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JFK also visited University of Michigan http://www.peacecorps.gov/index.cfm?shell=about.history.speech — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zxcvqwer12 ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I've made the following list of what later presidents studied, based on their Wikipedia articles. Some of the articles aren't very clear. I'm not sure the best way to incorporate it into the article, and we might need to do the earlier presidents too:
-- Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Not one president got an M.A. or M.S.? Not even Wilson on the way to his Ph.D.? If so, it might be good to state that explicitly, because otherwise it kind of looks like we just forgot about it. (Unfortunately it seems a little unlikely to find a reliable secondary source saying exactly "no president of the U.S. has ever earned a master's degree.) -- Trovatore ( talk) 10:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Check John Adams and John Quincy Adams, they both received Master’s degrees from Harvard in the 18th century. But oddly, I couldn’t find any other president with Master’s degrees 15amoryblaine ( talk) 01:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
This article repeatedly states who had or did not have a "degree". Well, you need to be more specific, especially since there is a degree, the associate's degree, that is lower than a bachelor's degree. An associate's degree is designed to be a two-year degree, and they are quite common now. Many registered nurses have an associate's degree, for example, and NOT a bachelor's degree in nursing, which is much more rigorous.
I even knew of a person who had earned three associate's degrees but no bachelor's degree at all. (I think that she was a malingerer concerning the hard junior and senior level courses.)
Also, there are fields such as
architecture and
pharmacy where at many schools the bachelor's degree does not exist. The first professional degree that is awarded is the master's degree, and that is only awarded after five or six years of study. The bachelor's degree in pharmacy is just about dead now in countries like the United States, Canada, and France. Also, see the six-year degree in architecture at the
Georgia Institute of Technology and many other schools, which is a master's degree.
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Washington never attended any kind of classes at The College of William & Mary. The College issued him a surveyor's certificate and that is all (please see 2nd paragraph in this article from the National Archives) which states Washington
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Hoover is listed as having not attended high school (or equivalent), but he did in fact attend (but later dropped out of) the Friends Pacific Academy, which eventually became George Fox University. Doesn't that count as high school equivalent? Or maybe as college education? And if so, shouldn't it be included? NoMoreHeroes ( talk) 14:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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Someone explain to me how Biden who isn't even a President yet because a) the electoral college hasn't even met yet much less b) he hasn't been sworn in is allowed to be listed with presidents. I thought Wikipedia wasn't supposed to have bias? Or is it allowed when it matches the hivemind here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.18.58 ( talk) 04:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
But technically, he's not the president elect either. Until Trump concedes or the electoral college meets, he's not the president elect. Regardless, this page is for PRESIDENTS not presidents and president-elects. I know it hurts that you can't put him on here yet, but you'll just have to wait until January 2021, like it or not, if you want the page to be factually and topically correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.18.176 ( talk) 12:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Imma leave this right here about Trump being added before he was, or even during, his time as a president elect. But no, no double standards here! " 18:57, 19 December 2016 Shearonink talk contribs 23,998 bytes +11 Reverted to revision 755709948 by 2604:6000:1004:409A:258A:7CC0:A306:9AF6: Trump isn't President yet, he is still the President-Elect, please abide by the justified hidden comment. (TW)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.18.176 ( talk)
I couldn’t find any source that Wilson obtained a Master’s degree at Johns Hopkins before being granted his doctorate. Johns Hopkins didn’t start granting M.A. degrees until around 1900, almost 15 years after Wilson graduated. 15amoryblaine ( talk) 10:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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It should really be the president first, then the institution. The institution should be linked too. -- Jia ng 01:52, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Did JQA get a degree from University of Leiden? If we are including colleges attended then there will be at least a few more to add. Bkonrad | Talk
I recommend changing "dropped out" to "withdrew" and "flunked out" to "academically expelled" on the grounds that they sound much more encyclopedic. Captain Jackson 22:13, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
I propose that we slightly adjust the listing order, to list those institutions which have sent multiple grads to the presidency, and perhaps giving preference to those who actually graduated (e.g. in the law school section Yale with its two graduates would trump Columbia with two less-than graduates). Within levels alphabetical would be used. Is there consensus for this change? Since there doesn't seem to be much traffic here, I'm going to bold and make the change unilaterally unless anyone objects within the next 72 hours. -- Ybbor Talk 01:47, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Don't know how one would go about doin something to it, but it seems it'd be worth adding what they got their degrees in. W. Bush in History, Clinton in Government, etc. MRig ( talk) 17:21, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I agree that their Majors should be listed. I can't find a combined list of that information anywhere. Kikster 18:52, 11 December 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholettesams ( talk • contribs)
So, apparently, there is a move to place those presidents who received JD's as "doctorates." While the Juris Doctor is certainly a "doctorate" in some sense, my main objection to this is that it draws a false distinction between Presidents who received LLBs and JDs when the degrees are, functionally, interchangeable. May I propose that the second "Doctorate" section to a "Law School" section and include all the Presidents with post-graduate law degrees? JEB90 ( talk) 18:55, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Cill Clinton did not graduate from Oxford. He dropped out.
John F. Kennedy briefly audited at Stanford. He never officially registed there.
Both of these might be true. Please find a source. Ratemonth ( talk) 17:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
http://news.stanford.edu/thedish/?p=9011
According to Stanford Newspaper. JFG briefly audited at Stanford. JFK never registered as a official student. — Preceding
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JFK also visited University of Michigan http://www.peacecorps.gov/index.cfm?shell=about.history.speech — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zxcvqwer12 ( talk • contribs) 20:13, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
I've made the following list of what later presidents studied, based on their Wikipedia articles. Some of the articles aren't very clear. I'm not sure the best way to incorporate it into the article, and we might need to do the earlier presidents too:
-- Colapeninsula ( talk) 09:43, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Not one president got an M.A. or M.S.? Not even Wilson on the way to his Ph.D.? If so, it might be good to state that explicitly, because otherwise it kind of looks like we just forgot about it. (Unfortunately it seems a little unlikely to find a reliable secondary source saying exactly "no president of the U.S. has ever earned a master's degree.) -- Trovatore ( talk) 10:53, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Check John Adams and John Quincy Adams, they both received Master’s degrees from Harvard in the 18th century. But oddly, I couldn’t find any other president with Master’s degrees 15amoryblaine ( talk) 01:38, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
This article repeatedly states who had or did not have a "degree". Well, you need to be more specific, especially since there is a degree, the associate's degree, that is lower than a bachelor's degree. An associate's degree is designed to be a two-year degree, and they are quite common now. Many registered nurses have an associate's degree, for example, and NOT a bachelor's degree in nursing, which is much more rigorous.
I even knew of a person who had earned three associate's degrees but no bachelor's degree at all. (I think that she was a malingerer concerning the hard junior and senior level courses.)
Also, there are fields such as
architecture and
pharmacy where at many schools the bachelor's degree does not exist. The first professional degree that is awarded is the master's degree, and that is only awarded after five or six years of study. The bachelor's degree in pharmacy is just about dead now in countries like the United States, Canada, and France. Also, see the six-year degree in architecture at the
Georgia Institute of Technology and many other schools, which is a master's degree.
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Hoover is listed as having not attended high school (or equivalent), but he did in fact attend (but later dropped out of) the Friends Pacific Academy, which eventually became George Fox University. Doesn't that count as high school equivalent? Or maybe as college education? And if so, shouldn't it be included? NoMoreHeroes ( talk) 14:41, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
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Someone explain to me how Biden who isn't even a President yet because a) the electoral college hasn't even met yet much less b) he hasn't been sworn in is allowed to be listed with presidents. I thought Wikipedia wasn't supposed to have bias? Or is it allowed when it matches the hivemind here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.18.58 ( talk) 04:04, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
But technically, he's not the president elect either. Until Trump concedes or the electoral college meets, he's not the president elect. Regardless, this page is for PRESIDENTS not presidents and president-elects. I know it hurts that you can't put him on here yet, but you'll just have to wait until January 2021, like it or not, if you want the page to be factually and topically correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.18.176 ( talk) 12:53, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Imma leave this right here about Trump being added before he was, or even during, his time as a president elect. But no, no double standards here! " 18:57, 19 December 2016 Shearonink talk contribs 23,998 bytes +11 Reverted to revision 755709948 by 2604:6000:1004:409A:258A:7CC0:A306:9AF6: Trump isn't President yet, he is still the President-Elect, please abide by the justified hidden comment. (TW)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.186.18.176 ( talk)
I couldn’t find any source that Wilson obtained a Master’s degree at Johns Hopkins before being granted his doctorate. Johns Hopkins didn’t start granting M.A. degrees until around 1900, almost 15 years after Wilson graduated. 15amoryblaine ( talk) 10:30, 28 January 2022 (UTC)