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Frequently asked questions This section is here to provide answers to some questions that have been previously discussed on this talk page. To view an explanation to the answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. General Concerns and Questions Q1: John Hanson was actually the first president.
A1:
John Hanson was the first
President of the Continental Congress to serve a term under the Articles of Confederation. This office is different from President of the United States, which was only created after the US Constitution took effect in 1789.
Q2: __________ was acting president for a short time, why isn't he on the list?
A2: A period during which a vice-president or other person temporarily becomes Acting President under the
Twenty-fifth Amendment is not a presidency, because the president remains in office during such a period.
Q3: Grover Cleveland is listed twice, William McKinley was actually the 24th president.
A3: Cleveland served two non-consecutive terms, so while McKinley was in fact the 24th person to serve as president, Cleveland was both the 22nd and 24th president. Or another way: the next president after Benjamin Harrison was the 24th president. It should also be noted that almost all reference materials enumerate Cleveland in this way.
Q4: Harry Truman's middle name was "S". Since it's not an initial, it should not have the period after it.
A4:
Harry Truman's middle name was in fact S; however, most reference materials still use the period. Truman himself signed his own name as "Harry S. Truman". Both with or without the period may be regarded as correct.
Q5: Democratic is an adjective. Presidents of this party should be listed as the noun, "Democrat".
A5: The correct name of the political party is the
Democratic Party. In this case, the adjective is used to describe the party, which is what the list is showing. Note that Democrat Party can be seen as an epithet - see
Democrat Party (epithet).
Q6: Please add another column to the list for ___________.
Q7: I have an issue with one of the pictures used.
A7: It is recommended that the same picture from the president's individual article infobox be used on this list by default. However, any clear view of the face will work since the pictures are so small. Keep in mind that some images on external sites may be subject to
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Why do the Biden and Trump entries use extremely close crops of their portraits, when all other recent presidents are represented by their uncropped official portraits? We should probably stick to the uncropped official portraits for Biden and Trump, or switch to super narrow crops for all the other recent presidents, rather than the current arbitrary switch. Unless there's some good reason for this inconsistency? ∴ ZX95 [ discuss 00:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
If this has been discussed before, please direct me to the proper discussion.
This is a discussion that affects many pages, but this felt like the most central place to discuss it.
The way we do presidential numbering is simply wrong. For example, the sentence "Joe Biden is the 46th President of the United States" is just objectively incorrect. He is the 45th president. He is the 45th person to serve as president, therefore he is the 45th president. That's what those words mean. There is no other way to interpret that. You can get away with saying something like "Joe Biden is president number 46" or "Joe Biden served the 46th presidency of the United States" because they refer to more abstract concepts like presidencies, but if you say "46th president" that is referring to presidents, who are PEOPLE. There have only been 45 PEOPLE who were president of the US, so the numbering CANNOT go above 45. Grover Cleveland is not two people! Finnigami ( talk) 18:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm not seeing any possibility of a consensus forming for what's being proposed. Recommend (per WP:NOTFORUM) that this discussion be closed down. GoodDay ( talk) 07:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I find it a bit odd that the same image used for Cleveland's non-consecutive terms. Surely we can find one image from his first term and another image from his second and use both respectively instead of just one image. I expect this to be the case in the scenario if Trump is re-elected in 2024 as well.
Maybe use this for the first term and the current for the second term?
HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Per List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom, I've added this gallery of four notable presidents to the lead of the article, which fits this article better than an image of the White House. I am establishing a consensus here to see what others think, but the gallery option seems to be preferred elsewhere (e.g. the list of UK PMs article). ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter ( talk) 14:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions This section is here to provide answers to some questions that have been previously discussed on this talk page. To view an explanation to the answer, click the [show] link to the right of the question. General Concerns and Questions Q1: John Hanson was actually the first president.
A1:
John Hanson was the first
President of the Continental Congress to serve a term under the Articles of Confederation. This office is different from President of the United States, which was only created after the US Constitution took effect in 1789.
Q2: __________ was acting president for a short time, why isn't he on the list?
A2: A period during which a vice-president or other person temporarily becomes Acting President under the
Twenty-fifth Amendment is not a presidency, because the president remains in office during such a period.
Q3: Grover Cleveland is listed twice, William McKinley was actually the 24th president.
A3: Cleveland served two non-consecutive terms, so while McKinley was in fact the 24th person to serve as president, Cleveland was both the 22nd and 24th president. Or another way: the next president after Benjamin Harrison was the 24th president. It should also be noted that almost all reference materials enumerate Cleveland in this way.
Q4: Harry Truman's middle name was "S". Since it's not an initial, it should not have the period after it.
A4:
Harry Truman's middle name was in fact S; however, most reference materials still use the period. Truman himself signed his own name as "Harry S. Truman". Both with or without the period may be regarded as correct.
Q5: Democratic is an adjective. Presidents of this party should be listed as the noun, "Democrat".
A5: The correct name of the political party is the
Democratic Party. In this case, the adjective is used to describe the party, which is what the list is showing. Note that Democrat Party can be seen as an epithet - see
Democrat Party (epithet).
Q6: Please add another column to the list for ___________.
Q7: I have an issue with one of the pictures used.
A7: It is recommended that the same picture from the president's individual article infobox be used on this list by default. However, any clear view of the face will work since the pictures are so small. Keep in mind that some images on external sites may be subject to
copyright, and therefore difficult to bring into Wikipedia. If you have a specific concern about an image, feel free to discuss it here.
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Why do the Biden and Trump entries use extremely close crops of their portraits, when all other recent presidents are represented by their uncropped official portraits? We should probably stick to the uncropped official portraits for Biden and Trump, or switch to super narrow crops for all the other recent presidents, rather than the current arbitrary switch. Unless there's some good reason for this inconsistency? ∴ ZX95 [ discuss 00:47, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
If this has been discussed before, please direct me to the proper discussion.
This is a discussion that affects many pages, but this felt like the most central place to discuss it.
The way we do presidential numbering is simply wrong. For example, the sentence "Joe Biden is the 46th President of the United States" is just objectively incorrect. He is the 45th president. He is the 45th person to serve as president, therefore he is the 45th president. That's what those words mean. There is no other way to interpret that. You can get away with saying something like "Joe Biden is president number 46" or "Joe Biden served the 46th presidency of the United States" because they refer to more abstract concepts like presidencies, but if you say "46th president" that is referring to presidents, who are PEOPLE. There have only been 45 PEOPLE who were president of the US, so the numbering CANNOT go above 45. Grover Cleveland is not two people! Finnigami ( talk) 18:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
I'm not seeing any possibility of a consensus forming for what's being proposed. Recommend (per WP:NOTFORUM) that this discussion be closed down. GoodDay ( talk) 07:01, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
I find it a bit odd that the same image used for Cleveland's non-consecutive terms. Surely we can find one image from his first term and another image from his second and use both respectively instead of just one image. I expect this to be the case in the scenario if Trump is re-elected in 2024 as well.
Maybe use this for the first term and the current for the second term?
HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Per List of prime ministers of the United Kingdom, I've added this gallery of four notable presidents to the lead of the article, which fits this article better than an image of the White House. I am establishing a consensus here to see what others think, but the gallery option seems to be preferred elsewhere (e.g. the list of UK PMs article). ThingsCanOnlyGetWetter ( talk) 14:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)