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squircle from square and circle, trit (bit + trinary), tryte (byte + trinary) 110.175.156.215 ( talk) 02:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)anonymous
Was surpised to find these quite well known and well used portmanteaux were not on a list which includes examples far less familiar. They are certainly not objectionable. Some examples should contain a (cf.) note to refer readers to comparable examples. I have done this with these three. Myles325a ( talk) 05:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Any objection to adding this? It's persistent, well-known and has a [ Wiktionary entry] describing it as a blend.
Portmanteau, as is understood by most, was coined (in its modern usage, don't get pedantic on me) by Lewis Caroll. I would argue that some entries don't meet the basic criteria of "two meanings packed up into one word".
In particular, the ones derived from two names:
Brangelina Krepkenstein Debian Mattell Mitel Waitrose
All of the examples derive their meaning not from the squishing of words together, but from the meaning attributed to those names after. Debra and Ian? Meaningless. Debian, however is not, but the meaning is not derived from being a portmanteau, but because of what Debian has become.
Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirril ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Osiriscorleone ( talk) 07:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)osiriscorleone
IManOM ( talk) 15:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Osiriscorleone ( talk) 21:46, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
The heading of the article currently says that, "A selection of portmanteau words of the English language is listed below." For future editors, what is the basis of this selection or what should it be? Hyacinth ( talk) 23:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Should the base terms be italicized and linked? For example, should it be as follows? Especially when pipes would be necessary, as shown.
→ Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:42, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
What is the procedure for adding portmanteaus whose roots are so obvious that finding an official verification of the definition is difficult? (see Hamburglar)
It seems like all the entries with a citation needed tag get deleted pretty quickly. 140.211.82.5 ( talk) 02:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Juneteenth, a soon to be national public holiday in the United States that combines June with nineteenth. This corresponds with June 19th, 1865 when freedom from slavery was proclaimed in Texas.
What are people's thoughts on including things multiple times on the article in different sections? Examples currently in the article include:
I haven't searched the whole article for these double-ups, but I personally think they should only appear once. JoshMuirWikipedia ( talk) 06:34, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I see a lot of things in the list that are the names of products, not actual english words. Is there any reason to include these? Volunteer1234 ( talk) 04:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I dispute the inclusion of Malaysia in this list. The proposed justification at Malaysia (Wiktionary) is not cited. The article at Malaysia gives only the etymology as "a combination of the word 'Malay' and the Latin-Greek suffix '-sia'/-σία." with a citation (a book, so it's not trivial to research further here, but it's better than no citation at all). There is some discussion at this Quora page giving three possible theories -- two being those I just listed, the other being "a combination of Malay + Asia" (which would then also be a portmanteau), but that is not a WP:RS. Since the only one of these bearing a citation is clearly /not/ a portmanteau, it should not be on this list (which is approaching WP:LISTCRUFT already). HalJor ( talk) 04:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I've reverted (many of these for the second or third time) a number of entries that do not belong on this page because they do not qualify as portmanteaus. Please verify the etymologies before adding any new entries -- many of these that I reverted had linked to their Wiktionary pages which do not confirm the alleged portmanteaus described on this page. Yes, it's neat that a word like "grumble" looks like it combines "groan" and "mumble", but the etymology on Wiktionary has nothing to do with that. Examples that I removed in just this round:
General prefixes and suffixes ("tri-", "-ship") also don't count, and this page is barely maintainable as it is -- we don't need redlinks that aren't notable enough to get their own entries or even be mentioned in other articles. HalJor ( talk) 19:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The following are cited in Social and Economic Background of Blending, but many are awkward or have fallen out of use. Please refrain from adding them to the list unless there is an outside dictionary source for confirmation.
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Enix150 ( talk) 05:55, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
The "See Also" section includes a link to Syllabic abbreviation which "is usually formed from the initial syllables of several words, such as Interpol = International + police. It is a variant of the acronym. ... Syllabic abbreviations should be distinguished from portmanteaus, which combine two words without necessarily taking whole syllables from each." There are a good many such examples on this page (including Interpol) that would not qualify under this definition. Several of these examples also could be considered contractions per portmanteau, as "contractions are formed from words that would otherwise appear together in sequence". Removing these would make this already-long list more manageable. HalJor ( talk) 16:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
This page has hat notes regarding original research and citations for verification. It has also a corresponding (linked) page on the sister project at Wiktionary. In attempt to keep this page manageable and within the scope of the Wiktionary project, it should not contain every term that we can find. If the only source is Wiktionary (which itself is tenuously sourced), it should not be on this list. If the term has only a passing mention in a Wikipedia article and barely has meaning outside that context, I'd argue it doesn't belong here either. Otherwise, this page just becomes WP:LISTCRUFT. HalJor ( talk) 17:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Wiktionary has from sub- under and tweet. There is no proof of Olga ‘s proposed dictionary etymology. -- AliceBzh ( talk) 21:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks to User:Mhawk10 who removed it. -- AliceBzh ( talk) 21:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
It might be a bad idea to put Squirtle on the list here, since there are far, far, far more Pokemon whose names are portmanteaus..... it might be more than half of them. — Soap — 21:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
In the algicosathlon community, there's a relatively popular color called "skyan" that is a blend of sky and cyan. Thing is, I don't know what category a color would fall into, so is anyone willing to provide any help? Thanks :3
2001:56A:FA36:9C00:7D75:A0D6:9DDE:4C5C ( talk) 02:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
portmanteau is an example of a word in English derived from two French words.
So any objections to the following being listed as portmanteaus?
Here are the words in Category:Portmanteaus that are not already in this list, before it is deleted:
The category also contain The Lensbury, which to me doesn't seem to be a portmanteau or be related to one in any obvious way. — Kri ( talk) 14:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the etimological origin of cryptography is cited as coming "from κεκρυμμένος (hidden) and Γραφή (writing)". It seems weird to me since the most obvious connection seems to be κρυπτός (as opposed to κρυμμένος), and it's even cited as such in the Wikitionary entry for crypto- which is itself cited as the etymological origin for cryptography.
I guess my question is: Is there a reason for this?
A list of possible solutions come to mind:
VicenteGarzaReyna ( talk) 13:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Doug. I recently removed unsourced material in the article, which you reverted in this edit, restoring the unsourced content. Per our WP:Verifiability policy, this content should be sourced with citations to reliable sources, just as content in any article should be. As it says at WP:LISTVERIFY:
The person removing content from an article doesn't need any justification if the content is unsourced; the WP:BURDEN to provide citations is on the person who wants to keep the material in the article. I'm issuing a challenge to add citations for the unsourced material you restored. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 07:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
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squircle from square and circle, trit (bit + trinary), tryte (byte + trinary) 110.175.156.215 ( talk) 02:02, 2 August 2015 (UTC)anonymous
Was surpised to find these quite well known and well used portmanteaux were not on a list which includes examples far less familiar. They are certainly not objectionable. Some examples should contain a (cf.) note to refer readers to comparable examples. I have done this with these three. Myles325a ( talk) 05:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Any objection to adding this? It's persistent, well-known and has a [ Wiktionary entry] describing it as a blend.
Portmanteau, as is understood by most, was coined (in its modern usage, don't get pedantic on me) by Lewis Caroll. I would argue that some entries don't meet the basic criteria of "two meanings packed up into one word".
In particular, the ones derived from two names:
Brangelina Krepkenstein Debian Mattell Mitel Waitrose
All of the examples derive their meaning not from the squishing of words together, but from the meaning attributed to those names after. Debra and Ian? Meaningless. Debian, however is not, but the meaning is not derived from being a portmanteau, but because of what Debian has become.
Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dirril ( talk • contribs) 01:06, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Osiriscorleone ( talk) 07:32, 9 July 2011 (UTC)osiriscorleone
IManOM ( talk) 15:56, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Osiriscorleone ( talk) 21:46, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
The heading of the article currently says that, "A selection of portmanteau words of the English language is listed below." For future editors, what is the basis of this selection or what should it be? Hyacinth ( talk) 23:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
Should the base terms be italicized and linked? For example, should it be as follows? Especially when pipes would be necessary, as shown.
→ Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 16:42, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
What is the procedure for adding portmanteaus whose roots are so obvious that finding an official verification of the definition is difficult? (see Hamburglar)
It seems like all the entries with a citation needed tag get deleted pretty quickly. 140.211.82.5 ( talk) 02:42, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
Juneteenth, a soon to be national public holiday in the United States that combines June with nineteenth. This corresponds with June 19th, 1865 when freedom from slavery was proclaimed in Texas.
What are people's thoughts on including things multiple times on the article in different sections? Examples currently in the article include:
I haven't searched the whole article for these double-ups, but I personally think they should only appear once. JoshMuirWikipedia ( talk) 06:34, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
I see a lot of things in the list that are the names of products, not actual english words. Is there any reason to include these? Volunteer1234 ( talk) 04:27, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
I dispute the inclusion of Malaysia in this list. The proposed justification at Malaysia (Wiktionary) is not cited. The article at Malaysia gives only the etymology as "a combination of the word 'Malay' and the Latin-Greek suffix '-sia'/-σία." with a citation (a book, so it's not trivial to research further here, but it's better than no citation at all). There is some discussion at this Quora page giving three possible theories -- two being those I just listed, the other being "a combination of Malay + Asia" (which would then also be a portmanteau), but that is not a WP:RS. Since the only one of these bearing a citation is clearly /not/ a portmanteau, it should not be on this list (which is approaching WP:LISTCRUFT already). HalJor ( talk) 04:47, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
I've reverted (many of these for the second or third time) a number of entries that do not belong on this page because they do not qualify as portmanteaus. Please verify the etymologies before adding any new entries -- many of these that I reverted had linked to their Wiktionary pages which do not confirm the alleged portmanteaus described on this page. Yes, it's neat that a word like "grumble" looks like it combines "groan" and "mumble", but the etymology on Wiktionary has nothing to do with that. Examples that I removed in just this round:
General prefixes and suffixes ("tri-", "-ship") also don't count, and this page is barely maintainable as it is -- we don't need redlinks that aren't notable enough to get their own entries or even be mentioned in other articles. HalJor ( talk) 19:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
The following are cited in Social and Economic Background of Blending, but many are awkward or have fallen out of use. Please refrain from adding them to the list unless there is an outside dictionary source for confirmation.
References
{{
cite book}}
: External link in |chapterurl=
(
help); Unknown parameter |chapterurl=
ignored (|chapter-url=
suggested) (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
Enix150 ( talk) 05:55, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
The "See Also" section includes a link to Syllabic abbreviation which "is usually formed from the initial syllables of several words, such as Interpol = International + police. It is a variant of the acronym. ... Syllabic abbreviations should be distinguished from portmanteaus, which combine two words without necessarily taking whole syllables from each." There are a good many such examples on this page (including Interpol) that would not qualify under this definition. Several of these examples also could be considered contractions per portmanteau, as "contractions are formed from words that would otherwise appear together in sequence". Removing these would make this already-long list more manageable. HalJor ( talk) 16:10, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
This page has hat notes regarding original research and citations for verification. It has also a corresponding (linked) page on the sister project at Wiktionary. In attempt to keep this page manageable and within the scope of the Wiktionary project, it should not contain every term that we can find. If the only source is Wiktionary (which itself is tenuously sourced), it should not be on this list. If the term has only a passing mention in a Wikipedia article and barely has meaning outside that context, I'd argue it doesn't belong here either. Otherwise, this page just becomes WP:LISTCRUFT. HalJor ( talk) 17:33, 1 May 2021 (UTC)
Wiktionary has from sub- under and tweet. There is no proof of Olga ‘s proposed dictionary etymology. -- AliceBzh ( talk) 21:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks to User:Mhawk10 who removed it. -- AliceBzh ( talk) 21:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
It might be a bad idea to put Squirtle on the list here, since there are far, far, far more Pokemon whose names are portmanteaus..... it might be more than half of them. — Soap — 21:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
In the algicosathlon community, there's a relatively popular color called "skyan" that is a blend of sky and cyan. Thing is, I don't know what category a color would fall into, so is anyone willing to provide any help? Thanks :3
2001:56A:FA36:9C00:7D75:A0D6:9DDE:4C5C ( talk) 02:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
portmanteau is an example of a word in English derived from two French words.
So any objections to the following being listed as portmanteaus?
Here are the words in Category:Portmanteaus that are not already in this list, before it is deleted:
The category also contain The Lensbury, which to me doesn't seem to be a portmanteau or be related to one in any obvious way. — Kri ( talk) 14:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the etimological origin of cryptography is cited as coming "from κεκρυμμένος (hidden) and Γραφή (writing)". It seems weird to me since the most obvious connection seems to be κρυπτός (as opposed to κρυμμένος), and it's even cited as such in the Wikitionary entry for crypto- which is itself cited as the etymological origin for cryptography.
I guess my question is: Is there a reason for this?
A list of possible solutions come to mind:
VicenteGarzaReyna ( talk) 13:39, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
Hi, Doug. I recently removed unsourced material in the article, which you reverted in this edit, restoring the unsourced content. Per our WP:Verifiability policy, this content should be sourced with citations to reliable sources, just as content in any article should be. As it says at WP:LISTVERIFY:
The person removing content from an article doesn't need any justification if the content is unsourced; the WP:BURDEN to provide citations is on the person who wants to keep the material in the article. I'm issuing a challenge to add citations for the unsourced material you restored. Thanks, Mathglot ( talk) 07:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)