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I do not believe that the flag icons are an appropriate addition to the table. An indicted person's nationality does not appear to be relevant for the purposes of this article. For instance, in many cases the individuals who have been indicted did not act at the behest of any government. In fact, they often rebelled against the state of which they are a national. Additionally, the Manual of Style prescribes the appropriate uses of flag icons, and they do not appear to be appropriate on this article as they serve to "emphasize nationality without good reason". – Zntrip 06:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing any justification in the MoS. Why is it important to point out the nationality? Like I said, in many cases (Uganda, Congo, and others) the individuals that were indicted did not represent any government. I think that the flags are misleading because they suggest a connection between an indicted individual and a state, even when there is no connection that is relevant for the purposes of this article. – Zntrip 07:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
You are repeatedly failing to address my main point. A flag connotes a connection to a government or a state. In the case of many indicted individuals, there is no connection whatsoever to a government or a state. In fact it is quite the opposite, they are fighting against the state of which they are nationals. What purpose does putting the Ugandan flag next to Joseph Kony's name serve? He is not an agent of the Ugandan government and he is not allied with the Ugandan government. He is a Ugandan national, but how is that even remotely relevant? – Zntrip 18:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Once again, you have failed to demonstrate why an indicted person's nationality is important. Everyone has a nationality and it does not always have to be pointed out. If that were the case, every list of people on Wikipedia would have flags next to the names, but that is not the case because nationality is usually not relevant. Can you demonstrate why nationality is relevant for this list? Why is it important to note that Joseph Kony is Ugandan? He fought against the Ugandan government. Why is it important to note that Jean-Pierre Bemba is from the DRC? He had nothing to do with the DRC as he was allied with the government of the Central African Republic. – Zntrip 19:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Do you realize that for the majority of people listed here, the flags next to their names do not represent the "politico-military entities" to which they have allied themselves? – Zntrip 05:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
That is simply not a valid solution. Only eight of the indicted individuals acted as part of the organization of a state. Everyone else acted as part of rebel group or non-state entity, and I doubt that most of them took the time to make a flag. In light of this, the best solution is to remove flags from the list: if they cannot be applied to everyone, I don't see the sense in including them at all. – Zntrip 22:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
First of all: very impressive work (especially with the references)! I may translate this page for the German Wikipedia, if I find the time. The introduction needs some update, though, regarding the Crime of Aggression (but maybe the main author of the article wants to do this?) Erzer ( talk) 19:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Footnote 2: "until such time as the states parties agree on a definition". Erzer ( talk) 07:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Maybe you could move the part about aggression from the footnote to the actual text, too. A potential reader might be interested in this issue but might overlook a footnote (in the German WP, footnotes are mostly used for the actual reference, not for additional notes). Erzer ( talk) 10:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Made a little change (though I am not a native English speaker). Erzer ( talk) 13:07, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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This section refers to "11 situations", but the numbers in column S only go as high as 8 ?!?! Bruce leverett ( talk) 01:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42141938 www.hrw.org/news/2008/01/20/sudan-notorious-janjaweed-leader-promoted Ali Kushayb, Musa Hilal Ahmed Haroun
Is anyone actively monitoring the ICC to keep this page up-to-date? I notice that the February 4, 2021 conviction of Dominic Ongwen has not been reported. Also, there is no listing of Mahamat Said Abdel Kani, accused by the court of war crimes and crimes against humanity and surrendered to the Court by the Central African Republic on January 24, 2021. A reply would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgmcf ( talk • contribs) 16:52, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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I do not believe that the flag icons are an appropriate addition to the table. An indicted person's nationality does not appear to be relevant for the purposes of this article. For instance, in many cases the individuals who have been indicted did not act at the behest of any government. In fact, they often rebelled against the state of which they are a national. Additionally, the Manual of Style prescribes the appropriate uses of flag icons, and they do not appear to be appropriate on this article as they serve to "emphasize nationality without good reason". – Zntrip 06:27, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing any justification in the MoS. Why is it important to point out the nationality? Like I said, in many cases (Uganda, Congo, and others) the individuals that were indicted did not represent any government. I think that the flags are misleading because they suggest a connection between an indicted individual and a state, even when there is no connection that is relevant for the purposes of this article. – Zntrip 07:50, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
You are repeatedly failing to address my main point. A flag connotes a connection to a government or a state. In the case of many indicted individuals, there is no connection whatsoever to a government or a state. In fact it is quite the opposite, they are fighting against the state of which they are nationals. What purpose does putting the Ugandan flag next to Joseph Kony's name serve? He is not an agent of the Ugandan government and he is not allied with the Ugandan government. He is a Ugandan national, but how is that even remotely relevant? – Zntrip 18:06, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Once again, you have failed to demonstrate why an indicted person's nationality is important. Everyone has a nationality and it does not always have to be pointed out. If that were the case, every list of people on Wikipedia would have flags next to the names, but that is not the case because nationality is usually not relevant. Can you demonstrate why nationality is relevant for this list? Why is it important to note that Joseph Kony is Ugandan? He fought against the Ugandan government. Why is it important to note that Jean-Pierre Bemba is from the DRC? He had nothing to do with the DRC as he was allied with the government of the Central African Republic. – Zntrip 19:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Do you realize that for the majority of people listed here, the flags next to their names do not represent the "politico-military entities" to which they have allied themselves? – Zntrip 05:23, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
That is simply not a valid solution. Only eight of the indicted individuals acted as part of the organization of a state. Everyone else acted as part of rebel group or non-state entity, and I doubt that most of them took the time to make a flag. In light of this, the best solution is to remove flags from the list: if they cannot be applied to everyone, I don't see the sense in including them at all. – Zntrip 22:34, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
First of all: very impressive work (especially with the references)! I may translate this page for the German Wikipedia, if I find the time. The introduction needs some update, though, regarding the Crime of Aggression (but maybe the main author of the article wants to do this?) Erzer ( talk) 19:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Footnote 2: "until such time as the states parties agree on a definition". Erzer ( talk) 07:32, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Maybe you could move the part about aggression from the footnote to the actual text, too. A potential reader might be interested in this issue but might overlook a footnote (in the German WP, footnotes are mostly used for the actual reference, not for additional notes). Erzer ( talk) 10:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
Made a little change (though I am not a native English speaker). Erzer ( talk) 13:07, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
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This section refers to "11 situations", but the numbers in column S only go as high as 8 ?!?! Bruce leverett ( talk) 01:59, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-42141938 www.hrw.org/news/2008/01/20/sudan-notorious-janjaweed-leader-promoted Ali Kushayb, Musa Hilal Ahmed Haroun
Is anyone actively monitoring the ICC to keep this page up-to-date? I notice that the February 4, 2021 conviction of Dominic Ongwen has not been reported. Also, there is no listing of Mahamat Said Abdel Kani, accused by the court of war crimes and crimes against humanity and surrendered to the Court by the Central African Republic on January 24, 2021. A reply would be appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samgmcf ( talk • contribs) 16:52, 8 February 2021 (UTC)