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I came here when I noticed Arpiao on a fellow user's talk page and accessed the link to here from his article. I was surprised that this article exists. There seems to be only one pardon. While the pardon has been notable, I think it's too premature to create an article about "people pardoned" if there is only one. MonsterHunter32 ( talk) 23:37, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I think until someone else is granted clemency it should be the redirect that was suggested. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 14:20, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
I am thinking of adding the following Succession Box to this article. Any thoughts? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 17:48, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Preceded by Barack Obama 2009–2017 |
List of people pardoned or granted clemency by the President of the United States Donald Trump 2017–present |
Succeeded by Incumbent |
I believe that there were three. The article only lists two. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 18:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
We now have Blagojevic and DeBartolo but we need to add Kerik. [1] I'd do it but I see there is a specific style for this table so I'd rather let someone do it who is familiar with the style. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I have used the same content in Office of the Pardon Attorney based on this Washington Post investigation. [1] Oceanflynn ( talk) 17:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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In response to criticism that he has bypassed the DOJ's Office of Pardon Attorney, Trump rightfully said that he is the "chief law enforcement officer of the country."
Isn't "rightfully" incorrect? According to https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/45928/22585 he is not, quoting the White House web-page on the Executive Branch:
The Attorney General is the head of the DOJ and chief law enforcement officer of the federal government."
-- Danielklein ( talk) 05:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Have all 15 individuals Trump pardoned in December 2020 been added? I don't see the Blackwater mercenaries listed. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 14:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
This article from The Independent may be useful although it does not include all the information contained in the table. Who has Trump pardoned so far? A full list (The Independent, Jan 18, 2021) Calmecac5 ( talk) 19:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
"Trump issued 89 commutations: none in 2017" then right below it is a commutation in 2017. Am I missing something? ESAD-Hooker ( talk) 23:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted the removal of the following content:
Of the pardons and commutations that Trump did grant, the vast majority were to persons to whom Trump had a personal or political connection, or persons for whom executive clemency served a political goal. [1] [2]
The stated justification for the removal was "blog is not a reliable source" and that "'vast majority' is unsupported by the other rs." The first rationale is thoughtless: The author here is legal scholar Jack Goldsmith of Harvard Law School, and the "blog" is Lawfare, which is a highly regarded, independently edited, expert-run publication. The second rationale is patently untrue: the NYT piece directly states that "Mr. Trump awarded the vast majority of his pardons... and commutations" to people who "skipped the line and got their petitions directly on the president’s desk because they had money or connections, or allies who did" (i.e., "an ad hoc White House process that favored applications benefiting or pushed by Mr. Trump’s allies, friends and family."). Neutrality talk 15:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Are there any objections to moving the page to the proposed name? The page started out with this lead: This is a list of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump.
It's already morphed into an article with plenty of text and a proper lead (that also contains two tables of names), so "List of" is misleading.
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The "executive clemency" name is both not WP:COMMONNAME (almost no news sources or common parlance say "executive clemency", it's always "pardon") and is not consistent with other pardon pages - while List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama does follow it, the similar pages for Clinton, Bush 43, and Bush 41 use the "pardon" nomenclature. So too does the page on pardons/executive clemency are. While "executive clemency" might technically be the correct general term (Article II Section 2 Clause 1's "Reprieves and Pardons" notwithstanding), the page (as well as Obama's) should be moved.
Are there any objections to this? Amyipdev ( talk) 18:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)
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I came here when I noticed Arpiao on a fellow user's talk page and accessed the link to here from his article. I was surprised that this article exists. There seems to be only one pardon. While the pardon has been notable, I think it's too premature to create an article about "people pardoned" if there is only one. MonsterHunter32 ( talk) 23:37, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
I think until someone else is granted clemency it should be the redirect that was suggested. Emir of Wikipedia ( talk) 14:20, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
I am thinking of adding the following Succession Box to this article. Any thoughts? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 17:48, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Preceded by Barack Obama 2009–2017 |
List of people pardoned or granted clemency by the President of the United States Donald Trump 2017–present |
Succeeded by Incumbent |
I believe that there were three. The article only lists two. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro ( talk) 18:55, 21 November 2019 (UTC)
We now have Blagojevic and DeBartolo but we need to add Kerik. [1] I'd do it but I see there is a specific style for this table so I'd rather let someone do it who is familiar with the style. -- MelanieN ( talk) 20:09, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
I have used the same content in Office of the Pardon Attorney based on this Washington Post investigation. [1] Oceanflynn ( talk) 17:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
References
In response to criticism that he has bypassed the DOJ's Office of Pardon Attorney, Trump rightfully said that he is the "chief law enforcement officer of the country."
Isn't "rightfully" incorrect? According to https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/a/45928/22585 he is not, quoting the White House web-page on the Executive Branch:
The Attorney General is the head of the DOJ and chief law enforcement officer of the federal government."
-- Danielklein ( talk) 05:52, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Have all 15 individuals Trump pardoned in December 2020 been added? I don't see the Blackwater mercenaries listed. 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 14:56, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
This article from The Independent may be useful although it does not include all the information contained in the table. Who has Trump pardoned so far? A full list (The Independent, Jan 18, 2021) Calmecac5 ( talk) 19:04, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
"Trump issued 89 commutations: none in 2017" then right below it is a commutation in 2017. Am I missing something? ESAD-Hooker ( talk) 23:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
I have reverted the removal of the following content:
Of the pardons and commutations that Trump did grant, the vast majority were to persons to whom Trump had a personal or political connection, or persons for whom executive clemency served a political goal. [1] [2]
The stated justification for the removal was "blog is not a reliable source" and that "'vast majority' is unsupported by the other rs." The first rationale is thoughtless: The author here is legal scholar Jack Goldsmith of Harvard Law School, and the "blog" is Lawfare, which is a highly regarded, independently edited, expert-run publication. The second rationale is patently untrue: the NYT piece directly states that "Mr. Trump awarded the vast majority of his pardons... and commutations" to people who "skipped the line and got their petitions directly on the president’s desk because they had money or connections, or allies who did" (i.e., "an ad hoc White House process that favored applications benefiting or pushed by Mr. Trump’s allies, friends and family."). Neutrality talk 15:03, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
Are there any objections to moving the page to the proposed name? The page started out with this lead: This is a list of people granted executive clemency by Donald Trump.
It's already morphed into an article with plenty of text and a proper lead (that also contains two tables of names), so "List of" is misleading.
Space4Time3Continuum2x (
talk)
12:57, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
The "executive clemency" name is both not WP:COMMONNAME (almost no news sources or common parlance say "executive clemency", it's always "pardon") and is not consistent with other pardon pages - while List of people granted executive clemency by Barack Obama does follow it, the similar pages for Clinton, Bush 43, and Bush 41 use the "pardon" nomenclature. So too does the page on pardons/executive clemency are. While "executive clemency" might technically be the correct general term (Article II Section 2 Clause 1's "Reprieves and Pardons" notwithstanding), the page (as well as Obama's) should be moved.
Are there any objections to this? Amyipdev ( talk) 18:59, 17 March 2023 (UTC)