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The lead paragraph contradicts the definition of orphan. The lead and article must be edited for consistency. Adoptees and foster children are not necessarily orphans. Tobit2 ( talk) 17:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Similar to the above discussion, I think it is also an important distinction between orphans and foundlings. Being an orphan, especially in former times only at the age of twelve or so, is not particularly unusual or interesting. The few foundlings should not be combined with the orphans, but should be in a separate list, even if it's on the same page. Salopian ( talk) 23:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
It seemed rather bizarre that John Church (clergyman) was not on the page, since he was an actual foundling, so I have added him by retitling the 'Politics' section. 'Civic leaders' is a better title anyway as they were not all formal politicians, e.g. Malcolm X. I tidied up all the headings as they were rather inconsistent. I don't like such categories in lists as they always seem rather arbitrary, and I particularly dislike some of those here (why are science and business together?), but I haven't recategorised any other than to add John Church. Salopian ( talk) 23:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Other possibilities are 'feral children' such as Kaspar Hauser, Victor of Aveyron and especially Marie-Angélique Memmie Le Blanc. Alternatively, there could be a 'See also'.
There is also someone notable who was found on quay when he was about five, but unable to speak the local language. He is on Wikipedia but I cannot think who he is now. He should definitely be added if anyone can work out whom he is. Salopian ( talk) 23:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I've also added Aandaal, Jean le Rond d'Alembert, Andy McNab and Oedipus. Salopian ( talk) 00:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The list of fiction characters is overly long, and in some cases stretching things a bit. I think it would be better to focus on characters for whom their status as orphans/foundlings is central to the character, and not just something the author tossed in to avoid giving the character a family or to make him/her seem more interesting. For example, the entire characters and storylines of Harry Potter, Oliver Twist, Bruce Wayne, and Mowgli are fundamentally based on their status as orphans; change that fact and they make no sense. But the fact that James Bond or Tony Stark had parents who died before they were adults is incidental to their treatment as characters, and by including examples like that on the list, we invite this to become yet another useless trivia dump, as every character for whom the writer took the cliched shortcut of making him an orphan gets listed.
Furthermore, some of these examples are debatable. A quick read of The Lone Ranger doesn't confirm that he is an orphan. Same with Sherlock Holmes. Santa Claus is included on the grounds that the real person he is based on was an orphan, but that isn't a standard part of the traditional Santa mythos, which (a 1970s TV special notwithstanding) generally ignores the character's origins, and there is no official Santa Claus canon to settle the question. In the case of Luke Skywalker, it's incorrect: he may have grown up thinking he was an orphan, but (spoilers for The Empire Strikes Back) he is not. Popeye is simply not an orphan; his still-living "pappy" is even a recurring character. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 21:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
It might be time to spin off the fictional characters into its own page or list. 2601:9:6B00:703:91BC:D55A:AC61:DFD8 ( talk) 04:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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Most people over the age of 60 are 'orphaned' by the UN definition. Almost all people over the age of 90 are completely orphaned. Should the age of majority (at the person's time) limit who can be called an orphan? And the adopting arguments seem confusing. Calixte 19:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calixte ( talk • contribs)
This list should include the notorious. This is a sugar-coated ideological list that in no way reflects the honest outcomes of those lacking biological parental association (i.e. [ Manson] 128.90.34.252 ( talk) 08:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
A new user destroyed the alphabetization of this page. In WP people are alphabetized by last name, not first. If the user does not fix this soon, I will revert to the July 31 edit, before the change was made. Apologies for the loss of any edits made after then! Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. ( talk) 18:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Many of those listed, sich as John Howard and Kevin Rudd, were most certainly NOT orphans. What the eff is going on???????
49.195.37.34 ( talk) 02:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
A lot of entries on this list are of people whose fathers died before they reached adulthood, but whose mothers were still alive after the subject reached adulthood. An orphan is someone who has lost both parents, so those entries do not belong on this list. Edward321 ( talk) 02:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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The lead paragraph contradicts the definition of orphan. The lead and article must be edited for consistency. Adoptees and foster children are not necessarily orphans. Tobit2 ( talk) 17:30, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Similar to the above discussion, I think it is also an important distinction between orphans and foundlings. Being an orphan, especially in former times only at the age of twelve or so, is not particularly unusual or interesting. The few foundlings should not be combined with the orphans, but should be in a separate list, even if it's on the same page. Salopian ( talk) 23:17, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
It seemed rather bizarre that John Church (clergyman) was not on the page, since he was an actual foundling, so I have added him by retitling the 'Politics' section. 'Civic leaders' is a better title anyway as they were not all formal politicians, e.g. Malcolm X. I tidied up all the headings as they were rather inconsistent. I don't like such categories in lists as they always seem rather arbitrary, and I particularly dislike some of those here (why are science and business together?), but I haven't recategorised any other than to add John Church. Salopian ( talk) 23:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Other possibilities are 'feral children' such as Kaspar Hauser, Victor of Aveyron and especially Marie-Angélique Memmie Le Blanc. Alternatively, there could be a 'See also'.
There is also someone notable who was found on quay when he was about five, but unable to speak the local language. He is on Wikipedia but I cannot think who he is now. He should definitely be added if anyone can work out whom he is. Salopian ( talk) 23:43, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
I've also added Aandaal, Jean le Rond d'Alembert, Andy McNab and Oedipus. Salopian ( talk) 00:19, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
The list of fiction characters is overly long, and in some cases stretching things a bit. I think it would be better to focus on characters for whom their status as orphans/foundlings is central to the character, and not just something the author tossed in to avoid giving the character a family or to make him/her seem more interesting. For example, the entire characters and storylines of Harry Potter, Oliver Twist, Bruce Wayne, and Mowgli are fundamentally based on their status as orphans; change that fact and they make no sense. But the fact that James Bond or Tony Stark had parents who died before they were adults is incidental to their treatment as characters, and by including examples like that on the list, we invite this to become yet another useless trivia dump, as every character for whom the writer took the cliched shortcut of making him an orphan gets listed.
Furthermore, some of these examples are debatable. A quick read of The Lone Ranger doesn't confirm that he is an orphan. Same with Sherlock Holmes. Santa Claus is included on the grounds that the real person he is based on was an orphan, but that isn't a standard part of the traditional Santa mythos, which (a 1970s TV special notwithstanding) generally ignores the character's origins, and there is no official Santa Claus canon to settle the question. In the case of Luke Skywalker, it's incorrect: he may have grown up thinking he was an orphan, but (spoilers for The Empire Strikes Back) he is not. Popeye is simply not an orphan; his still-living "pappy" is even a recurring character. - Jason A. Quest ( talk) 21:01, 9 April 2011 (UTC)
It might be time to spin off the fictional characters into its own page or list. 2601:9:6B00:703:91BC:D55A:AC61:DFD8 ( talk) 04:06, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
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Most people over the age of 60 are 'orphaned' by the UN definition. Almost all people over the age of 90 are completely orphaned. Should the age of majority (at the person's time) limit who can be called an orphan? And the adopting arguments seem confusing. Calixte 19:39, 22 August 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Calixte ( talk • contribs)
This list should include the notorious. This is a sugar-coated ideological list that in no way reflects the honest outcomes of those lacking biological parental association (i.e. [ Manson] 128.90.34.252 ( talk) 08:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
A new user destroyed the alphabetization of this page. In WP people are alphabetized by last name, not first. If the user does not fix this soon, I will revert to the July 31 edit, before the change was made. Apologies for the loss of any edits made after then! Edgar Vekilnik, Jr. ( talk) 18:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Many of those listed, sich as John Howard and Kevin Rudd, were most certainly NOT orphans. What the eff is going on???????
49.195.37.34 ( talk) 02:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
A lot of entries on this list are of people whose fathers died before they reached adulthood, but whose mothers were still alive after the subject reached adulthood. An orphan is someone who has lost both parents, so those entries do not belong on this list. Edward321 ( talk) 02:34, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
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