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I've got a few questions about this page. 1. How can "Da Vinci" and "Van Gogh" be called single names? 2. Are we going to include nicknames and pseudonyms, eg. Sting, Boz? 3. How about re-doing the links properly? All the above are meant sincerely, not sarcastically. Deb 18:20 Mar 29, 2003 (UTC)
I have grave doubts that this page will work. "Famous enough" among whom? Baden-Powell and Chilton are famous enough for Eagle Scouts who listen to Big Star (like myself). Every US president (minus the Roosevelts, Bushes and Adamses) is known by one name and I would assume the same is true of every or most countries. Tuf-Kat 18:30 Mar 29, 2003 (UTC)
What about Moses? Isaiah? Sophocles? Aristophanes? Suharno?Sitting Bull (or was Bull his last name)? The name is based on the assumption that everyone has a last name. Then, of course, there is Mao, who had a first name, which was his "last name". This is a useless list. Danny
I agree, this isn't really a useful list. It is really just a list of all the famous people that don't share their last name with any other famous people. Tango
I agree too - you could include practically any Brazilian international footballer, for instance! Arwel
Uhh... JS Bach, or PDQ Bach? Slrubenstein
Kinda makes you long for first names, right? Slrubenstein
I think this should be changed to people who went by a single name, such as Prince, Madonna, or I dunno there arent a lot of people. Except for a lot of Greeks I think... Someone like Marx or Hitler or Bach would not qualify. Dietary Fiber
I think we should only list modern people, listing all the biblical and ancient people along with this sort of destroys the point. Dietary Fiber
personally, i am more interested in people who are famous for a one-word nickname (Pele) or their first name (Cher, Madonna, Elvis). i enjoy working on a list like this. it is a nice relief from the other stuff i muck around with on here. Kingturtle 01:01 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
Would the following rappers and such count?
Is there some objection to using alphabetical order? Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 01:51 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
And of course there are at least three US politicians named Kennedy (all brothers), and three or four Indian politicians named Gandhi (not all related).
I expected a list of people who only used one name, like Plato or Madonna, not those who are well-enough known to be the default person-in-this-field-with-that-name. (If you're an art critic, Freud is Lucian, not Sigmund or Anna.) Vicki Rosenzweig
I'm interested in working on this page, but I intened to delete those people who did not refer to themselves by one name only (Churchill, indeed.) And it really should be List of people known by one name. I'll give it a few days to listen to objections, then do it. -- Zoe
When did Wyclef Jean become "Wyclef"? -- Zoe
Dear All, I propose to do the following:
Any objections? Deb 17:00 Mar 31, 2003 (UTC)
I have no objections, but I wish contributors here would return to Dietary Fiber's suggestion that the article name be changed from "people known by one name" which is too subjective and vague, to "People who went by one name" which would be a shorter, and more useful, list. Slrubenstein
Upsetter is really called "The Upsetter." Isn't that really two words? The same artist is also known as Scratch. Can we remove Upsetter and add Scratch? I removed Topol, Ambrose, Morrissey, and Seinfeld, because those are their last names. I removed Midas and Merlin because they are fictional characters. Kingturtle 22:51 Mar 31, 2003 (UTC)
I hate to be nitpicky, but isn't "Christ" a last name? "Jesus" is already on there. If you have two names for the same person, then perhaps they shouldn't be on the list. :) -- goatasaur
I don't think any biblical or ancient names should be on here. Many ancient people had one name, only modern people should be on this list. Dietary Fiber
yes Dietary Fiber
Christ is not a surname. It's a title or appellation that modern people mistake for a surname because the idea of people without surnames doesn't seem 'right'. (It wasn't Mr. & Mrs. Christ and their little boy Jesus....) Not that that removes the "two names, one person" or "ancient" objections -- Someone else 04:45 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
Who are Bez, Gwrgi and Pras? Kingturtle 06:41 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
Just to clarify, Pras Michel is the third member of the Fugees (along with Lauryn Hill and Wyclef Jean). Tuf-Kat
Anyone know who "Cameron" is? Deb 20:43 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
Just because u watch TV and the celebrities refer to each other by first names does not mean they qualify for "known by one name". Perhaps a qualifier for "known by one name" should be, didn't go by more than one name, for example "Oprah Winfrey" really doesn't seem to qualify for me, although I can see why "Dante Aligheri" would, maybe its a bit of a double-standard but Tiger Woods is not "known as Tiger" and "Magic Johnson" is not known as "Magic", they are both much better known as "Tiger Woods" and "Magic Johnson" -- a line has to be drawn somewhere or pretty soon we'll be adding Creighton, King, Spielberg, Hanks, ad nauseum Dietary Fiber
Yah Oprah should go back in. Dietary Fiber
Tiger Woods does not go by "Tiger" except in that it is his first name, as the Nike commercial said, 'I am Tiger Woods", likewise, Magic is a basketball team, not a basketball player, Magic Johnson is a basketball player Dietary Fiber
I would say likewise for Frida Kahlo... Although the 2002 film based on her life is simply titled "Frida," she's usually referred to by her full name. Same with Whoopi Goldberg. As I think has been previously mentioned, just having an uncommon first name shouldn't be grounds for inclusion on this list. Andyabides 01:22, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Shoot, i thought i came up with a good one today. but as it turns out Rasputin is Rasputin's last name. sigh. Kingturtle 23:31 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
What's the difference between Josef Stalin (whose name has been removed) and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin? -- KF 20:54 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Who is Otto? Kingturtle 22:04 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Sadly, had to remove this: * Meatloaf as he is "Meat Loaf" not "Meatloaf". The New York Times famously referred to him as "Mr. Loaf". His wiki article is at Meat Loaf. --- Someone else 20:11 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)
Who are Gallagher and Cameron, please? They don't seem to have acquired their own articles yet. Deb 19:22 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)
I don't know what the person who added Cameron meant to refer to but it could be a crappy rapper who goes by Cam'ron (born Cameron Giles). Tuf-Kat
What are the arguments against:
Kingturtle 05:56 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)
Hi, Kingturtle.
"Someone else started these pages, but I participate in their construction: Coalition of the willing, Intact dilation and extraction, Current events, List of people known by one name, freedom fries, Protest song."
That's what you write on your user page. I also understand that you teach. And I sincerely hope that you don't belong to that minority of teachers who are always right and whose students get very little chance to prove you wrong occasionally. Looking at the List of people known by one name, this thought just occurred to me. There is this idea of a collaborative effort which is so essential to Wikipedia and its success, but I find it hard to contribute to a page where certain entries are continuously removed and re-added without a reason being stated, as it happened with Magic.
It seems this is gradually becoming YOUR page. Does this make you happy? I don't want to sound too strict myself, but couldn't you at least consider compromise?
All the best,
KF 14:15 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)
How large an audience are we talking about here? If you include the Open-source community, "Linus" would definitely be a name to add. And what about Initials? RMS or ESR? I'd imagine these would be better known than ' Weegee', at least.
Oh boy. The silly lists keep on getting sillier and sillier. -- Derek Ross
Kingturtle 00:29 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)
Should the list include people which are known by their profession and first name? Nikola 07:11 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Removed Jacko pointing to Michael Jackson(singer). I checked the Michael Jackson(singer) page and nowhere did it mention that he is know to anybody as Jacko. (Please put it back if you think I'm wrong, and add an appropriate note to his page.) Nanobug 13:47 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Should Osama be listed (it just points to Osama Bin Laden, which he is generally known by, and is certainly not one name)? Nanobug 03:59, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Who is Papillon? Currently the name just links to an article about the dog breed. -- Minesweeper 23:30, Oct 25, 2003 (UTC)
What about Simply Red? -- Viajero 10:30, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Is this a list of ((People known by one name)which is unambiguous) or a list of (people (unambiguously identified by one name)). EG Fidel Castro falls into the latter category twice, once as Fidel and once as Castro. He doesn't meet the former criterion since he is actually known by two names. Then we have Raphael which identifies both a painter and a spanish singer - should they therfore be both removed? What about Madonna singer and Madonna jesus'mum? -- In my opinion the only viable approach is to consider "if i say "FRED", who do you think of", and if 99% of folk think of the same person then they are ok for this list. -- Thus Madonna singer gets in, Fidel and Castro both get in. I would remove Zara as I don't think Turkish singer but granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth. -- SGBailey 11:03, 2003 Nov 22 (UTC)
I removed Brutus, because the assassin is Marcus Junius Brutus (three names), a member of the Junius Brutus family. He does not belong to any of the criteria stated in the page. Muriel Victoria 10:19, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Also, is "Fidel" appropriate for this page? john 21:40, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Would it make sense to split this page according to topics? People known by their only name; People known by their nickname; People known by their first name; People known by their stage name; etc. Nikola 06:36, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
It's a shame that this list seems destined to suck up all the air that might otherwise support a list (perhaps People best known without their last names) that could include those such as the forgettable Ann Margaret or Anne Margaret, and Rose Marie Mazzetta, whose so-far 77-year career included a classic role on The Dick Van Dyke Show.
BTW, mostly out of curiosity, it appears no one ever mentioned what the name was, that was changed to this one; might be nice for someone to document that retrospectively. -- Jerzy 09:47, 2004 Jan 20 (UTC)
Nicknames shouldn't be included here (e.g. Jacko, Gazza). There are thousands of nicknames, and most of them are one word. It obscures the real cases. DJ Clayworth 19:57, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I removed 'Linus' as there are lots of people called Linus. The first page of Google hits gets five refs to Torvals, seven to Pauling and one to Peanuts. DJ Clayworth 14:52, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't know about other countries, but in the US, Kylie Minogue is not really recognized as just "Kylie". I think alot of these are very particular to the context of certain countries. Can we limit this list only to the people that would be known by one name in the entire english speaking world? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:50, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Seems to me this list should NOT contain names of kings, queens or other monarchs, who are traditionally referred to by their first name. Maybe we need a sub-list of monarchs of all countries throughout history. But this list is for people who are not royalty, and who would not normally be expected to use only one name, but use only one name nonetheless. Once we start to include Akihito, then why not Elizabeth (II), Margrete (II), Beatrix, Bhumibhol etc etc. Thinking of removing all these royal names. JackofOz 07:03, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
I added List of people known by one name and List of people whose surname is not commonly known to Wikipedia:Duplicate articles as the two lists have a lot of overlap. MK 18:52, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
User:Radiojon has added each of the articles should be put into the category:people known by one name to this page and created said category. I don't have any problem with this list, but I think adding these articles to a category is not necessary. I'm tempted to list the category in wikipedia:categories for deletion but thought some discussion here first might be in order. Not that it really matters, but at this point there are only two articles in the category. -- Rick Block 02:32, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nostradamus does not belong here any more than does Linnaeus -- the name by which he is known is just his surname put into Latin -- for the Latinists out there, I believe they're both second declension masculine, like Marcus or animus. But at any rate he doesn't really fit the list -- it is his last name, if in Latin per the preferred form at the time. -- Jeff Anonymous 07:25, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
AS someone has pointed out with "Christ" and "Jesus" being listed; people with single word pseudonyms are not known by one name — in fact, having a pseudonym often ends up with you being known by several names.
I propose this article be moved to List of people known by single word names or List of people who have names consisting of a single word ors oemthing similar.
Most people are known by only "one name".-- ZayZayEM 03:40, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Proposed names:
I agree. This page needs a name change. Someone earlier on the talk page suggested People best known without their last names. There are a number of semi-famous people who are known by their first name only, but they don't have to be super-famious-legendary. They're just known by their first name only because their full name including last name might be too long or confusing for the public to keep track of. Raven, and Lalaine, for instance, go by their first names only because their hyphenated surnames are long. --User:Lehla 15:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion, that's all wrong. Wikipedia documents information that is verifiably important. The connectedness of the people on this list is original research and therfore can have no source. And therefore does not belong on wikipedia. Honestly, this is a list of stage names with philosophers grouped in. Find me an article stating the significance of a group of people known by one name. Lotusduck 18:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll start the new talks... what should the criteria for this page be? I agree they need to be tightened. Here's what I've come up with so far:
What else? Jacqui ★ 16:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Here's a tightening of criteria: Everyone whose full name appears in the actual wikipedia article to them has a full name. So Zoa of elaster is better known with his full name than Zoa. Any "of nazareths" or "the hun" constitutes having two names, as those are formated exactly the same as last names are. I'm going to take out all of those right now Lotusduck 18:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
This is a list of stage names with some historical figures that people forget the full names of mixed in. If nobody convinces me otherwise, I'm going to move this page to "List of famous people's stage names" and if there is actually any interest in an article on historical people that laypeople identify by one name, then it will be created. I will wait one week to be convinced that this is not the best course of action. This page is purely original research. Wikipedia: No original research. A page on famous stage names is not without precedent in real, sourcable articles stating the significance of the stage names and real names. There is no sourced article for the significance of people known by one name, however. If this article can be sourced as is within the next couple of days, then I'll leave it where it is. But if it can change its' name and better conform to wikipedia regulation, then shouldn't it do so? Lotusduck 18:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
First, someone please archive this talk page. It's old, and very long. I just tried to figure it out, and failed.
Second, I see this article as useful for the one named pop stars, and as much as I love the hilarity of Madonna and Machiavelli being on the same list, I think that this article should be split into two sections- Ancient world and Modern World. That way, people can add ancient world names wihtout confusing everybody, and we can add a note to names that are only known as one word now, but were actually full names when the person was alive. Lotusduck 19:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
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I've got a few questions about this page. 1. How can "Da Vinci" and "Van Gogh" be called single names? 2. Are we going to include nicknames and pseudonyms, eg. Sting, Boz? 3. How about re-doing the links properly? All the above are meant sincerely, not sarcastically. Deb 18:20 Mar 29, 2003 (UTC)
I have grave doubts that this page will work. "Famous enough" among whom? Baden-Powell and Chilton are famous enough for Eagle Scouts who listen to Big Star (like myself). Every US president (minus the Roosevelts, Bushes and Adamses) is known by one name and I would assume the same is true of every or most countries. Tuf-Kat 18:30 Mar 29, 2003 (UTC)
What about Moses? Isaiah? Sophocles? Aristophanes? Suharno?Sitting Bull (or was Bull his last name)? The name is based on the assumption that everyone has a last name. Then, of course, there is Mao, who had a first name, which was his "last name". This is a useless list. Danny
I agree, this isn't really a useful list. It is really just a list of all the famous people that don't share their last name with any other famous people. Tango
I agree too - you could include practically any Brazilian international footballer, for instance! Arwel
Uhh... JS Bach, or PDQ Bach? Slrubenstein
Kinda makes you long for first names, right? Slrubenstein
I think this should be changed to people who went by a single name, such as Prince, Madonna, or I dunno there arent a lot of people. Except for a lot of Greeks I think... Someone like Marx or Hitler or Bach would not qualify. Dietary Fiber
I think we should only list modern people, listing all the biblical and ancient people along with this sort of destroys the point. Dietary Fiber
personally, i am more interested in people who are famous for a one-word nickname (Pele) or their first name (Cher, Madonna, Elvis). i enjoy working on a list like this. it is a nice relief from the other stuff i muck around with on here. Kingturtle 01:01 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
Would the following rappers and such count?
Is there some objection to using alphabetical order? Wondering simply, -- Infrogmation 01:51 Mar 30, 2003 (UTC)
And of course there are at least three US politicians named Kennedy (all brothers), and three or four Indian politicians named Gandhi (not all related).
I expected a list of people who only used one name, like Plato or Madonna, not those who are well-enough known to be the default person-in-this-field-with-that-name. (If you're an art critic, Freud is Lucian, not Sigmund or Anna.) Vicki Rosenzweig
I'm interested in working on this page, but I intened to delete those people who did not refer to themselves by one name only (Churchill, indeed.) And it really should be List of people known by one name. I'll give it a few days to listen to objections, then do it. -- Zoe
When did Wyclef Jean become "Wyclef"? -- Zoe
Dear All, I propose to do the following:
Any objections? Deb 17:00 Mar 31, 2003 (UTC)
I have no objections, but I wish contributors here would return to Dietary Fiber's suggestion that the article name be changed from "people known by one name" which is too subjective and vague, to "People who went by one name" which would be a shorter, and more useful, list. Slrubenstein
Upsetter is really called "The Upsetter." Isn't that really two words? The same artist is also known as Scratch. Can we remove Upsetter and add Scratch? I removed Topol, Ambrose, Morrissey, and Seinfeld, because those are their last names. I removed Midas and Merlin because they are fictional characters. Kingturtle 22:51 Mar 31, 2003 (UTC)
I hate to be nitpicky, but isn't "Christ" a last name? "Jesus" is already on there. If you have two names for the same person, then perhaps they shouldn't be on the list. :) -- goatasaur
I don't think any biblical or ancient names should be on here. Many ancient people had one name, only modern people should be on this list. Dietary Fiber
yes Dietary Fiber
Christ is not a surname. It's a title or appellation that modern people mistake for a surname because the idea of people without surnames doesn't seem 'right'. (It wasn't Mr. & Mrs. Christ and their little boy Jesus....) Not that that removes the "two names, one person" or "ancient" objections -- Someone else 04:45 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
Who are Bez, Gwrgi and Pras? Kingturtle 06:41 Apr 2, 2003 (UTC)
Just to clarify, Pras Michel is the third member of the Fugees (along with Lauryn Hill and Wyclef Jean). Tuf-Kat
Anyone know who "Cameron" is? Deb 20:43 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
Just because u watch TV and the celebrities refer to each other by first names does not mean they qualify for "known by one name". Perhaps a qualifier for "known by one name" should be, didn't go by more than one name, for example "Oprah Winfrey" really doesn't seem to qualify for me, although I can see why "Dante Aligheri" would, maybe its a bit of a double-standard but Tiger Woods is not "known as Tiger" and "Magic Johnson" is not known as "Magic", they are both much better known as "Tiger Woods" and "Magic Johnson" -- a line has to be drawn somewhere or pretty soon we'll be adding Creighton, King, Spielberg, Hanks, ad nauseum Dietary Fiber
Yah Oprah should go back in. Dietary Fiber
Tiger Woods does not go by "Tiger" except in that it is his first name, as the Nike commercial said, 'I am Tiger Woods", likewise, Magic is a basketball team, not a basketball player, Magic Johnson is a basketball player Dietary Fiber
I would say likewise for Frida Kahlo... Although the 2002 film based on her life is simply titled "Frida," she's usually referred to by her full name. Same with Whoopi Goldberg. As I think has been previously mentioned, just having an uncommon first name shouldn't be grounds for inclusion on this list. Andyabides 01:22, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Shoot, i thought i came up with a good one today. but as it turns out Rasputin is Rasputin's last name. sigh. Kingturtle 23:31 Apr 4, 2003 (UTC)
What's the difference between Josef Stalin (whose name has been removed) and Vladimir Ilyich Lenin? -- KF 20:54 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Who is Otto? Kingturtle 22:04 Apr 6, 2003 (UTC)
Sadly, had to remove this: * Meatloaf as he is "Meat Loaf" not "Meatloaf". The New York Times famously referred to him as "Mr. Loaf". His wiki article is at Meat Loaf. --- Someone else 20:11 Apr 7, 2003 (UTC)
Who are Gallagher and Cameron, please? They don't seem to have acquired their own articles yet. Deb 19:22 Apr 8, 2003 (UTC)
I don't know what the person who added Cameron meant to refer to but it could be a crappy rapper who goes by Cam'ron (born Cameron Giles). Tuf-Kat
What are the arguments against:
Kingturtle 05:56 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)
Hi, Kingturtle.
"Someone else started these pages, but I participate in their construction: Coalition of the willing, Intact dilation and extraction, Current events, List of people known by one name, freedom fries, Protest song."
That's what you write on your user page. I also understand that you teach. And I sincerely hope that you don't belong to that minority of teachers who are always right and whose students get very little chance to prove you wrong occasionally. Looking at the List of people known by one name, this thought just occurred to me. There is this idea of a collaborative effort which is so essential to Wikipedia and its success, but I find it hard to contribute to a page where certain entries are continuously removed and re-added without a reason being stated, as it happened with Magic.
It seems this is gradually becoming YOUR page. Does this make you happy? I don't want to sound too strict myself, but couldn't you at least consider compromise?
All the best,
KF 14:15 Apr 9, 2003 (UTC)
How large an audience are we talking about here? If you include the Open-source community, "Linus" would definitely be a name to add. And what about Initials? RMS or ESR? I'd imagine these would be better known than ' Weegee', at least.
Oh boy. The silly lists keep on getting sillier and sillier. -- Derek Ross
Kingturtle 00:29 Apr 20, 2003 (UTC)
Should the list include people which are known by their profession and first name? Nikola 07:11 2 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Removed Jacko pointing to Michael Jackson(singer). I checked the Michael Jackson(singer) page and nowhere did it mention that he is know to anybody as Jacko. (Please put it back if you think I'm wrong, and add an appropriate note to his page.) Nanobug 13:47 6 Jun 2003 (UTC)
Should Osama be listed (it just points to Osama Bin Laden, which he is generally known by, and is certainly not one name)? Nanobug 03:59, 3 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Who is Papillon? Currently the name just links to an article about the dog breed. -- Minesweeper 23:30, Oct 25, 2003 (UTC)
What about Simply Red? -- Viajero 10:30, 22 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Is this a list of ((People known by one name)which is unambiguous) or a list of (people (unambiguously identified by one name)). EG Fidel Castro falls into the latter category twice, once as Fidel and once as Castro. He doesn't meet the former criterion since he is actually known by two names. Then we have Raphael which identifies both a painter and a spanish singer - should they therfore be both removed? What about Madonna singer and Madonna jesus'mum? -- In my opinion the only viable approach is to consider "if i say "FRED", who do you think of", and if 99% of folk think of the same person then they are ok for this list. -- Thus Madonna singer gets in, Fidel and Castro both get in. I would remove Zara as I don't think Turkish singer but granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth. -- SGBailey 11:03, 2003 Nov 22 (UTC)
I removed Brutus, because the assassin is Marcus Junius Brutus (three names), a member of the Junius Brutus family. He does not belong to any of the criteria stated in the page. Muriel Victoria 10:19, 29 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Also, is "Fidel" appropriate for this page? john 21:40, 30 Nov 2003 (UTC)
Would it make sense to split this page according to topics? People known by their only name; People known by their nickname; People known by their first name; People known by their stage name; etc. Nikola 06:36, 1 Dec 2003 (UTC)
It's a shame that this list seems destined to suck up all the air that might otherwise support a list (perhaps People best known without their last names) that could include those such as the forgettable Ann Margaret or Anne Margaret, and Rose Marie Mazzetta, whose so-far 77-year career included a classic role on The Dick Van Dyke Show.
BTW, mostly out of curiosity, it appears no one ever mentioned what the name was, that was changed to this one; might be nice for someone to document that retrospectively. -- Jerzy 09:47, 2004 Jan 20 (UTC)
Nicknames shouldn't be included here (e.g. Jacko, Gazza). There are thousands of nicknames, and most of them are one word. It obscures the real cases. DJ Clayworth 19:57, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I removed 'Linus' as there are lots of people called Linus. The first page of Google hits gets five refs to Torvals, seven to Pauling and one to Peanuts. DJ Clayworth 14:52, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I don't know about other countries, but in the US, Kylie Minogue is not really recognized as just "Kylie". I think alot of these are very particular to the context of certain countries. Can we limit this list only to the people that would be known by one name in the entire english speaking world? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:50, Mar 3, 2004 (UTC)
Seems to me this list should NOT contain names of kings, queens or other monarchs, who are traditionally referred to by their first name. Maybe we need a sub-list of monarchs of all countries throughout history. But this list is for people who are not royalty, and who would not normally be expected to use only one name, but use only one name nonetheless. Once we start to include Akihito, then why not Elizabeth (II), Margrete (II), Beatrix, Bhumibhol etc etc. Thinking of removing all these royal names. JackofOz 07:03, 22 May 2004 (UTC)
I added List of people known by one name and List of people whose surname is not commonly known to Wikipedia:Duplicate articles as the two lists have a lot of overlap. MK 18:52, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)
User:Radiojon has added each of the articles should be put into the category:people known by one name to this page and created said category. I don't have any problem with this list, but I think adding these articles to a category is not necessary. I'm tempted to list the category in wikipedia:categories for deletion but thought some discussion here first might be in order. Not that it really matters, but at this point there are only two articles in the category. -- Rick Block 02:32, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Nostradamus does not belong here any more than does Linnaeus -- the name by which he is known is just his surname put into Latin -- for the Latinists out there, I believe they're both second declension masculine, like Marcus or animus. But at any rate he doesn't really fit the list -- it is his last name, if in Latin per the preferred form at the time. -- Jeff Anonymous 07:25, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
AS someone has pointed out with "Christ" and "Jesus" being listed; people with single word pseudonyms are not known by one name — in fact, having a pseudonym often ends up with you being known by several names.
I propose this article be moved to List of people known by single word names or List of people who have names consisting of a single word ors oemthing similar.
Most people are known by only "one name".-- ZayZayEM 03:40, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Proposed names:
I agree. This page needs a name change. Someone earlier on the talk page suggested People best known without their last names. There are a number of semi-famous people who are known by their first name only, but they don't have to be super-famious-legendary. They're just known by their first name only because their full name including last name might be too long or confusing for the public to keep track of. Raven, and Lalaine, for instance, go by their first names only because their hyphenated surnames are long. --User:Lehla 15:25, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
In my opinion, that's all wrong. Wikipedia documents information that is verifiably important. The connectedness of the people on this list is original research and therfore can have no source. And therefore does not belong on wikipedia. Honestly, this is a list of stage names with philosophers grouped in. Find me an article stating the significance of a group of people known by one name. Lotusduck 18:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I'll start the new talks... what should the criteria for this page be? I agree they need to be tightened. Here's what I've come up with so far:
What else? Jacqui ★ 16:14, 21 November 2005 (UTC)
Here's a tightening of criteria: Everyone whose full name appears in the actual wikipedia article to them has a full name. So Zoa of elaster is better known with his full name than Zoa. Any "of nazareths" or "the hun" constitutes having two names, as those are formated exactly the same as last names are. I'm going to take out all of those right now Lotusduck 18:20, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
This is a list of stage names with some historical figures that people forget the full names of mixed in. If nobody convinces me otherwise, I'm going to move this page to "List of famous people's stage names" and if there is actually any interest in an article on historical people that laypeople identify by one name, then it will be created. I will wait one week to be convinced that this is not the best course of action. This page is purely original research. Wikipedia: No original research. A page on famous stage names is not without precedent in real, sourcable articles stating the significance of the stage names and real names. There is no sourced article for the significance of people known by one name, however. If this article can be sourced as is within the next couple of days, then I'll leave it where it is. But if it can change its' name and better conform to wikipedia regulation, then shouldn't it do so? Lotusduck 18:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
First, someone please archive this talk page. It's old, and very long. I just tried to figure it out, and failed.
Second, I see this article as useful for the one named pop stars, and as much as I love the hilarity of Madonna and Machiavelli being on the same list, I think that this article should be split into two sections- Ancient world and Modern World. That way, people can add ancient world names wihtout confusing everybody, and we can add a note to names that are only known as one word now, but were actually full names when the person was alive. Lotusduck 19:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)