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He had severed as Prime Minister of Iraq for one month, but Iraq was not completely independent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.83.52.190 ( talk) 03:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Pachachi deserves his spot. But some people don't. I think members of large collective presidencies which had indeed a recognized leader should not be included. Here is who should be removed:
Plus Bodjollé source does not adfirm he was alive in 2013 and I'm convinced Genda did die in 2015. But since I can't prove the latter he should remaain here. Great spot for Jules Sedney, congrats to anyone who added him. -- Folengo ( talk) 10:23, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
No! The source adfirms Genda was present at a meeting which happenedv in 1968 so it does not even remotely adfirms he was alive in 2012! Since we know someone named Ambrose Patrick Genda died in London in 2001 we mantain it was him (and it seems much plausible) and this Genda is immediately removed. Bodjollé can stay, at least till he is not confirmed to have died. -- Folengo ( talk) 11:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't think Palau was independent during his term. Any experts in that field that could prove otherwise? StjepanHR ( talk) 08:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I think this [1] obituary is his, but am not 100% sure it's him or that obituarytoday.com is a reliable source. Also the spelling is slightly different, but his memoir says he was awarded the Padma Shri in 1972, and the list for the award has the same spelling as the obituary, as does the first source on his page. Any thoughts? Emk9 ( talk) 18:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
It should be listed? The oldest living state leader in the world at that time.
Interesting information,but should have more of an intro.Perhaps better as its own article?...analogous info is provided for certain United States officeholders. 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 07:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Is the new Tun Tin source reliable? To me it seems to be directly influenced by what is written on this Wikipedia page. StjepanHR ( talk) 20:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Remove: 2 Keep:1 I wait for other opinions. -- Folengo ( talk) 14:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I can't see how this is not good enough while Lovo Cordero's profile on My Heritage, who could be anyone, or Pachachi Flickr photos are. Going to remove that too immediately. -- Folengo ( talk) 15:37, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
On Your Advice I removed:
If Tun Tin's source is not good these are not good too. Consistency.-- Folengo ( talk) 15:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Keep: 2, Remove: 2.
I'll be out till Friday, so I'll let you know my reasons and plans. I think we should bring back all the reliable sources on Fahradi, Sharq, Cordero and Tun Tin. These men are all very much alive, but getting a source about them is incredibly incredibly difficult! I got the Tun Tin's Facebook source directly from Burmese friends as it is almost impossible to find it in the West. Fahradi source is from 2017, shows him with another diplomat. Last source before that was from 2009, which means he will be removed next year when we know for certain he is alive! Tun Tin is a special case. He is so obscure in the West he got no source in 8 years, 8 long years. That Facebook post is completely reliable, shows him and is consistent in every detail. Why would we remove it? Sharq youtube videos is very reliable too, but you can't exclude it only because it is YouTube. The goal of this list is demonstrating state leaders are alive, while wouldn0t videos and photos of them not count? I hope you undestand, this was a great article before the last two days.
My idea is we have to reinstate the leaders I removed and Tun Tin's 2017 source. Hope someone will undestand. Thanks to the IP for his support. Do the checks you want, it's not me. Other guys you are being soooo thick headed. Don't take that as an offense, but it is the truth. Bye, see you Friday. -- Folengo ( talk) 17:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I feel like recent pictures of somebody should be enough for the purpose of this list. Social media is allowed for uncontroversial claims, and I think being alive isn't usually controversial. Emk9 ( talk) 18:00, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't think we should use the source, as the account posting it is not verified. There is a politician Nay Zin Lat from Burma, who may or may not be the same person as on the Facebook page, but we cannot verify. I'm not doubting that Tun Tin is still alive (and think he very likely is) but we go by policy, not probability. EternalNomad ( talk) 21:23, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Anyway BBC dedicated an entire Facebook post to Tun Tin, before writing this article mainly, but not only, about him. The rest of the article may have been taken from here, but BBC is a very reliable source ad the opening part is about Tun Tin. Plus we know from other Facebook posts he is still alive. I'm intentioned to add this source, BBC is completely reputable and has surely verified he was still alive before writing the article. It's BBC, not Radar Online! -- Folengo ( talk) 18:57, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Jules Sedney was Prime Minister of Suriname from 1969 to 1973. Should he be added to this list? 92.108.15.73 ( talk) 22:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
While he doesn't have a biography at NKLeadershipwatch,I note a Google Books hit on "North Korea:The Politics of Regime Survival" (ISBN 1317463765) whose 2015 edition includes an essay "Emergence of the Second Republic:The Kim Regime Adapts to the Challenges of Modernity" by Alexandre Y. Mansourov in which Ri Gun Mo is referred to as deceased.Much of the book actually dates to 2005 or so.He could have been dead for quite a while. 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 17:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC) note left on my talk page Emk9 ( talk) 17:28, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Here are the leaders whose sources date back to years before 2016 or 2016.
2014:
2016:
There seems to be an edit war about the inclusion of Mr. Boras on the list. Personally I'd struggle to find a real reason for which he should be included.
I think this clearly goes against the purposes of this page. So my opinion is he should be removed. -- Folengo ( talk) 12:44, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Fixed source and uncorrect piping. Strongly against inclusion anyaway.-- Folengo ( talk) 12:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Also, Biljana Plavšić is waiting. You didn't delete her.– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 01:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
I'll do it now. We had strong discussions some time ago about members of collective presidencies ( Ali Haroun, Maria Schneider, the Poles, exc.) and decided to remove them. I'll keep this list simplier as possible, with only very legit heads of state/government on it. Thanks for contributing, though. -- Folengo ( talk) 16:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
So Awadalla is now number one. What I ask here is, are we really sure he's still alive? We already kept a dead Telmo Vargas as number one for years and Awadalla's case has always been controversial. This article claims he died in September 2016 aged 99 and the site also published this story for which he was admitted to the list in 2015. In March 2017 he was removed from the list by @ EternalNomad: after that source was found, anyway he was readded a few months later because a Sudanese news site reported they had speak with Babiker Awadala on 23 May 2017. The article is no longer available.
They claimed he lived in Dublin. In fact a pediatrician named Babiker Awadalla lives in Dublin and he could be his son. And a wrong report of death is plausible. But then a source from May 2018 claims he is living in Alexandria, Egypt and not in Dublin! A travel like that would be difficult for a 101 year old man, so I don't know what to think. I'd like to avoid another Telmo Vargas, but the situation is really confused. @ Emk9:, @ Lancelot:, @ StjepanHR: and everyone else who contributes to the page. -- Folengo ( talk) 18:55, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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@ Pamin Farin: What are you requesting? Emk9 ( talk) 03:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
The present inline links lack sufficient bibliographic detail - they should be replaced with more complete citations. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:38, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
1. Highly unlikely of being alive (born before 1916): (U=7, A=0)
2. Unlikely to be alive (1916-1920): (U=5, A=0)
3. Moderate possibility of being alive (1921-1925): (U=6, A=0)
4. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 to be done): (U=3, A=0)
5. Upcoming (1931)
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Can I Update this write protected article Johnkimley dalog labasan ( talk) 14:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Sir Michael Hardie Boys is still alive - & served from 1996 to 2001 as Governor-General of New Zealand. He was born on 6 October 1931. - ( 124.197.55.28 ( talk) 15:13, 6 February 2020 (UTC))
There are some state leaders (that they were presidents of the country), but they were also presidents and prime ministers of the country. These leaders are: Khamtai Siphandon Jiang Zemin Mikhail Gorbachev Raúl Castro So the position of leaders of the Communist Party need to be removed, because that position is not a state leader (example: Milos Jakes is in the unclear state leader list) Mancu32 ( talk) 14:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
And why is Milos Jakes in the unclear state leader list? Mancu32 ( talk) 06:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
John Cremona, who celebrated his 101st birthday last January may qualify. According to Malta's national archives, "On several occasions he assumed, in an acting capacity, the functions of Head of State (Governor-General and later, President)."
Whether that means he assumed the role when it was vacant or when the HoS was unavailable, I'm not sure. Worldstatesmen and archontology have him as acting president from 25 to 27 December 1976, but that doesn't exactly square with the official bio of the President who left office ( Anthony Mamo), supposedly on December 26. I'm not sure when he acted as Governor General, but it's possible that it happened just before Mamo became acting GG.
I suspect this may require an email to their national archives, but if anyone else would like to do some digging it would be welcome.
Star Garnet ( talk) 04:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
One topic that hasn't been discussed is whether the Veguers (and their replacements, personal representatives) of Andorra would qualify. My interpretation is they are essentially Governors General under a different title. I would say that Francesc Badia i Batalla probably at least qualifies for the unclear status list. Star Garnet ( talk) 22:22, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Does anybody else like the addition of photographs as you can see at User:Star Garnet/Sandbox? Does anybody object to this new format? Star Garnet ( talk) 18:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
There are a few issues that I believe need to be clarified on this page and the longest-lived page. Issues that are clarified in the following version: inclusion of governors-general, inclusion of internationally recognized de facto leaders (PMs of Peru, party leaders), inclusion of Taiwan (as well as Palestine, Kosovo, SADR, exclusion of Northern Cyprus and probably South Ossetia and Abkhazia). Proposed revision:
This article lists the 100 oldest living current or former state leaders whose age can be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. State leaders are defined to include heads of state (including representatives who act in their stead, generally a governor-general), heads of government and internationally recognized de facto leaders [α] of sovereign states with significant international recognition. Leaders are not included if no reliable secondary sources have confirmed that the leader is alive within the last 10 years. The oldest living former state leader is Hyun Soong-jong of South Korea at the age of 105 years, 147 days. Leaders currently in office are in bold on purple, with Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia being the oldest currently-serving head of government and Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom [β] being the oldest currently-serving head of state.
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May I edit this protected article, to update the ages of this current and former state leaders. Labsanjohnkimley96 ( talk) 08:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I like to see how the interest about this list has been reinvigorated recently. I agree Jakes should be back on the main list. Since many on the list are pretty obscure (you see Abdul Latif Dayfallah's death has gone unnoticed for a year) I'd suggest a few names we should keep an eye on more than others. Not in the sense there won't be obituaries for them, but it is not obvious we can't find them (see above). So:
-- Folengo ( talk) 20:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Actually, the update of Arturo Armando Molina (that is in the list), is not relacionated with him. I suggest we need another update, or the remove of Molina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mancu32 ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
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Pié Masumbuko, who was Prime Minister of Burundi in 1965, is older than Sir Paulias Matane and should be on the list. Alive as of May 2019. -- Folengo ( talk) 18:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Marino Vagnetti was the captain-regent of San Marino in 1971-1972 and 1989. She was born in 1924. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik21graden ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
He was military de-facto leader of Panama in 1982-1983. Also He was born in 1931. Nik21graden ( talk) 18:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, he was born in 1933. Nik21graden ( talk) 18:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
He should be moved to the uncertain date of birth list. Because according to his article of Wikipedia, he was born on April of 1925, not on 18 February. Mancu32 ( talk) 14:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
His Simple english, Farsi and Russian pages say that his birthday was 18 February, but the majority of other translations just say 1925 without a day or a month. Khronicle I ( talk) 18:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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MAY I UPDATE THIS ARTICLE DAILY KILLERXR ( talk) 09:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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c 10:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)Why don't we give these five state leaders a chance to recognise their leadership KILLERXR ( talk) 12:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Discussions have already taken place about the status of those state leaders (those discussions are available in the talk page archives): If I've understood correctly, Josip Manolić was prime minister of Croatia when it was newly independent and unrecognised. It's possible that Kim yong-ju is no longer alive. This is also the same with Mohammad Hassan Sharq. The position of acting sovereign of Vatican city is also unclear. Khronicle I ( talk) 12:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Because he was a vicepresident, not a President or a Prime Minister. Vicepresident is not a state leader, so why iti is on the Unclear List? Also, he was born in an uncertain date on 1920 Mancu32 ( talk) 21:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
He is already removed KILLERXR ( talk) 00:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Why don't we expand the list of oldest living state leaders from 100 to 150 KILLERXR ( talk) 00:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I was thinking even if only 10 will be added KILLERXR ( talk) 01:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
100 is standard for theses kinds of list. Khronicle I ( talk) 13:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Is there a possibility to add the birth name of the state leaders KILLERXR ( talk) 08:19, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
What if we merge all state leaders with same ages into one ie Selim Hoss Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panilç to number 56 and Efraín Goldenberg to no. 57 KILLERXR ( talk) 12:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Efraín Goldenberg was born eight days later. Khronicle I ( talk) 13:00, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I mean those state leaders with same ages and following their numbers respectively KILLERXR ( talk) 13:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
For example Sir William Deane and Cleopa Msuya are 75 and 76 and Chun Doo-hwan is no 77 why don't we just let them share the 75 Spot and Chun Doo-hwan is the 76th oldest KILLERXR ( talk) 13:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Sir William Deane and Cleopa Msuya were both born on 4 January 1931, Chun Doo-hwan was born on the 18 January 1931. If they are not the same age why would they share the same spot? Khronicle I ( talk) 13:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
We can have both of them on The 74th spot so as Selim Hoss Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panilç on the 56th KILLERXR ( talk) 13:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Panić, Lee and Hoss are already in the 56th position. Toshiki Kaifu is in the 74th position because he was born 2 days before Deane and Msuya. So I don't see a reason to change anything there. Khronicle I ( talk) 14:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
They're already tried but the truth is they're numbers are 56, 57 and 58 respectively KILLERXR ( talk) 14:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by tried, but as they were all born on the 20 December 1929 they all occupy the 56th position. Khronicle I ( talk) 14:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
What I mean is that if we'd unmerge their numbering they'd occupy between 56 and 58 KILLERXR ( talk) 15:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Can I do the thing that I'm requesting so that you may. See what I mean KILLERXR ( talk) 15:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I honestly don't see why anything should be changed. Khronicle I ( talk) 15:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Let's do this so that you may see what I mean KILLERXR ( talk) 15:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I know what you mean but the ranking doesn't need to be changed. Khronicle I ( talk) 15:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Can we Just have individual ranking especially for the state leaders with same ages KILLERXR ( talk) 15:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
No, because they are the same age. Khronicle I ( talk) 15:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I propose to change the numbering of tied ranks in the table. Currently there are two positions which are taken by multiple people:
61: Selim Hoss, Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panić
99: Nicola Mancino and Ahmed Laraki
We only list the first group as 61 and the latter as 99, although they obviously take 3 and 2 positions in the 100 member list. Right now the list even cosmetically looks silly, because the wording says 100 oldest state leaders and according to the numbering we are only listing 99.
So I propose to change "61" to "61-63" and "99" to "99-100" and to use this method going on when there are state leaders with the exact same birth date. Picsovina ( talk) 08:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Actually I am for the changing of the ranking Selim Hoss, Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panilç currently occupied rank 57 but m technically they occupy ranks 57-59 so I propose that all of them will be number 57 and Efraín Goldenberg should be 58th KILLERXR ( talk) 06:18, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
May I also propose that these two state leaders would be moved to the addendum because of their status as Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan both of them were not even included in the roster of Prime Minister KILLERXR ( talk) 08:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
While he became president of Tanzania in 1985 he did not become head of the party until 1990 (as is stated in both his and Julius Nyerere's articles). It was also remarked on in news at the time that Nyerere was only giving up the presidency for the time being. In 1992 the party ceased to have sole legal status so its headship after that is immaterial to the article. 96.250.80.27 ( talk) 20:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
The sole purpose of the hidden list is, or should be, to enable the immediate restoration of the list to 100 entries if someone dies. In which case for the vast majority of the time only one hidden person is needed. It is extremely unlikely that more than 3 would ever be needed. Having 10 or even serves no purpose except to allow a few editors to treat it as part of the main list, which in no way improves the article for other readers. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 19:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually there is no need to reduce the number of state leaders in the hidden list from 10 to 3 because I think 10 is standard KILLERXR ( talk) 23:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
May I propose to add him to the list because he was a former Prime Minister of Afghanistan from 1988-89 though his position was Chairman of the Council of Ministers O do believe that his Status is very clear KILLERXR ( talk) 15:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
May I propose that we remove him from the list because I think his Status is Unclear because he is not included in the list of Presidents of the Italian Republic but as a substitute only KILLERXR ( talk) 06:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
May I propose that we include a chronological list of the eldest living state leaders since 1893 KILLERXR ( talk) 02:53, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Why no KILLERXR ( talk) 06:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
We'll actually the proposal is only to give notice that several state leaders became they became eldest living but they were actually not yet 90 KILLERXR ( talk) 09:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Sirikit was regent for a little time in Thailand in 1956, and was born in August of 1932. It is considered as a leader by the Worldstatesmen page. For example, the now death Prem Tinsulanonda was in the list with the position of Prime Minister (1980-1988), and Regent (2016), so why don't we consider regents as state leaders? Mancu32 ( talk) 18:21, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
May I propose to include a paragraph which gives notice of the most recent deaths of state leader
For example "The Most recent death of an oldest living former state leader was that of Canadian Prime Minister John Turner who was 91 years, 108 days on 18 September 2020, no oldest state leader have died during the last 3 years, 277 days" and this same paragraph to be added to the list of longest living state leaders. KILLERXR ( talk) 23:07, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the reply KILLERXR ( talk) 09:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Dušan Čkrebić should be added to the list because he was a former President of Serbia KILLERXR ( talk) 09:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok thanks @DerbyCountyinNZ KILLERXR ( talk) 11:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
can we consolidate the living as of in to one date but we will no longer remove the citations which will prove that they're still living KILLERXR ( talk) 03:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
My point is that only those state leaders who has lived in the last ten years with reliable sources are are included but through consolidation we can able to track down that they're still living in a day to day basis KILLERXR ( talk) 04:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
But...if we remove the column how will we know that Queen Elizabeth hasn't died since the last update??? DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 05:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
can we add a hatnote template for a regular update on ages just like on the list of longest living state leaders KILLERXR ( talk) 05:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
we can still assume that the British Monarch is still living because there are still news which points that she is still alive we can only assume that she has died if his eldest son The Prince of Wales acedes, actually there are news which is pointing out that Queen Elizabeth II is refusing to abdicate in favour of his son The Prince of Wales . KILLERXR ( talk) 05:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Is the position of a General Secretary considered a state leadership, because on the brief note that the head of state of Mongolia is a Present KILLERXR ( talk) 13:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Can we Move him back to the Addendum KILLERXR ( talk) 23:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Can we add a column for the image of the state leaders and remove the gallery KILLERXR ( talk) 07:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Is he considered a state leader as South Sudan is an Autonomous Region of Sudan in 1978, so as Abel Adler, and if they are considered to be so can we include them in the list KILLERXR ( talk) 09:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Sirikit is on the list due to being regent while her husband entered the Buddhist monkhood for a period of time. However in that case, there was no vacancy in the monarchy, the regent was just acting in his place. Are such individuals eligible for this list? For example, Dick Cheney was Acting president of the United States on June 29, 2002 and July 21, 2007, so would he eventually be eligible? 73.110.217.186 ( talk) 03:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
IMHO, regents and acting heads of state – acting heads of government for incapacitated leaders (although not applicable for Rama IX) are eligible for this list. I await being persuaded otherwise. – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 04:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Can we enjoin him in the above list because he was a former Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Iraq, as he was a former PM he should be in the list KILLERXR ( talk) 01:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
After I looked at the Article List of Presidents of The Italian Republic I found out that Mr. Mancino's status is clear as he appears on the section Subscribe Presidents, can we put him back above KILLERXR ( talk) 01:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Can anybody verify that Edmund Wickham Lawrence was born in 1932 as opposed to 1935? The unsourced change dates back to this IP edit. Star Garnet ( talk) 03:57, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
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Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | |
Rota Onorio | Kiribati | Acting President (1982-1983) | 1919 | |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta Member (1981) | 1922 | |
Jean-Antoine Grégoire Eugène | Haiti | Member of the Executive Government Council (1957) | 1924 | |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | |
Albert Ndele | Congo, Democratic Republic | Chairman of Board of Commissioners (1960) | August 15, 1930 | |
Soviet transition; I'd argue for inclusion | ||||
Yefrem Sokolov | Belarus | Communist Party Secretary (1990) | April 25, 1926 | state sovereignty declared 7/25/1990 alive as of 2016-04-26 |
Abdurrahman Vazirov | Azerbaijan | Communist Party Secretary (1989-1990) | May 26, 1930 | state sovereignty declared 9/23/1989 alive as of 2020-07-09 |
Jānis Vagris | Latvia | Community Party Secretary (1989-1990 | October 17, 1930 | state sovereignty declared 7/28/1989 alive as of 2010-10-18 |
Vaino Väljas | Estonia | Communist Party Secretary (1988-1990) Communist Party Chairman (1990-1991) |
March 28, 1931 | state sovereignty declared 11/16/1988 alive as of 2018-04-10 |
Solid possibilities for inclusion | ||||
Queen Kesang Choden | Bhutan | Regent (1972) | May 21, 1930 | alive 2020-05-20 or 2016-05-20 |
César Yanes Urías | El Salvador | Member of the Junta (1960-1961) | April 25, 1931 | unclear status list? alive as of 2018-10-11 |
Starting a discussion on the edits to include Josip Manolić in the main list here and on List of longest-living state leaders. Based on the last discussion in 2017, the consensus seems to be that since Croatia was not recognized as an independent country until after Manolić's resignation as prime minister, he should not necessarily be included on the main list. There's also the matter of the Brioni Agreement which suspended Croatia's independence declaration until October. Emk9 ( talk) 20:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
"Historical Dictionary of Togo" (2021 edition) refers to him as "retired", meaning he was alive at the time of the book (April 2021). However, I am not sure if we should include him or not, since there were previous editions of the book and this could simply be a leftover if there were not any news about him in th emeantime. On the other hand, the authors should probably be aware of possible death of a former head of state and co-leader of the 1963 coup with Gnassingbé Eyadéma, amnog others. Any other opinion? StjepanHR ( talk) 19:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I'll be happy to include him if more substantial sources show up, but not for the current state of things. Better be cautious than reporting false information!-- Folengo ( talk) 08:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
can we add an info about the most recent death of a state leader Jobzaiay13 ( talk) 22:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Emir of Ajman was born in 1931 and had ruled his emirate from 1981. He is not listed here.
may i propose to add images of state leaders Jobzaiay13 ( talk) 07:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for opening this section on this page, but the sister page of this page is also being nominated for deletion: [12] . I have noticed there is much more discussion on this page's deletion page, so I am posting this here in order for others interested in the topic to participate in the discussion. For example, I was notified only for this page and not the other one: [13] (although it's maybe because I created the first version of this one). StjepanHR ( talk) 17:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Can somebody track down an actual source for Kim Yong-ju? The current one shouldn't qualify, and I'm dubious the 2012 reference in his article is accurate. Star Garnet ( talk) 20:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
IMHO, we should change the entry criteria & exclude 'interim', 'acting', 'party' or 'representative' officials. Examples - Regents, Party leaders, Governors-General, Acting Presidents, etc etc. Make it strictly for heads of state & heads of government. GoodDay ( talk) 14:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Numberings need updating. GoodDay ( talk) 08:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
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He had severed as Prime Minister of Iraq for one month, but Iraq was not completely independent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.83.52.190 ( talk) 03:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
Pachachi deserves his spot. But some people don't. I think members of large collective presidencies which had indeed a recognized leader should not be included. Here is who should be removed:
Plus Bodjollé source does not adfirm he was alive in 2013 and I'm convinced Genda did die in 2015. But since I can't prove the latter he should remaain here. Great spot for Jules Sedney, congrats to anyone who added him. -- Folengo ( talk) 10:23, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
No! The source adfirms Genda was present at a meeting which happenedv in 1968 so it does not even remotely adfirms he was alive in 2012! Since we know someone named Ambrose Patrick Genda died in London in 2001 we mantain it was him (and it seems much plausible) and this Genda is immediately removed. Bodjollé can stay, at least till he is not confirmed to have died. -- Folengo ( talk) 11:02, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
I don't think Palau was independent during his term. Any experts in that field that could prove otherwise? StjepanHR ( talk) 08:09, 12 April 2018 (UTC)
I think this [1] obituary is his, but am not 100% sure it's him or that obituarytoday.com is a reliable source. Also the spelling is slightly different, but his memoir says he was awarded the Padma Shri in 1972, and the list for the award has the same spelling as the obituary, as does the first source on his page. Any thoughts? Emk9 ( talk) 18:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
It should be listed? The oldest living state leader in the world at that time.
Interesting information,but should have more of an intro.Perhaps better as its own article?...analogous info is provided for certain United States officeholders. 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 07:59, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Is the new Tun Tin source reliable? To me it seems to be directly influenced by what is written on this Wikipedia page. StjepanHR ( talk) 20:37, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Remove: 2 Keep:1 I wait for other opinions. -- Folengo ( talk) 14:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I can't see how this is not good enough while Lovo Cordero's profile on My Heritage, who could be anyone, or Pachachi Flickr photos are. Going to remove that too immediately. -- Folengo ( talk) 15:37, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
On Your Advice I removed:
If Tun Tin's source is not good these are not good too. Consistency.-- Folengo ( talk) 15:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Keep: 2, Remove: 2.
I'll be out till Friday, so I'll let you know my reasons and plans. I think we should bring back all the reliable sources on Fahradi, Sharq, Cordero and Tun Tin. These men are all very much alive, but getting a source about them is incredibly incredibly difficult! I got the Tun Tin's Facebook source directly from Burmese friends as it is almost impossible to find it in the West. Fahradi source is from 2017, shows him with another diplomat. Last source before that was from 2009, which means he will be removed next year when we know for certain he is alive! Tun Tin is a special case. He is so obscure in the West he got no source in 8 years, 8 long years. That Facebook post is completely reliable, shows him and is consistent in every detail. Why would we remove it? Sharq youtube videos is very reliable too, but you can't exclude it only because it is YouTube. The goal of this list is demonstrating state leaders are alive, while wouldn0t videos and photos of them not count? I hope you undestand, this was a great article before the last two days.
My idea is we have to reinstate the leaders I removed and Tun Tin's 2017 source. Hope someone will undestand. Thanks to the IP for his support. Do the checks you want, it's not me. Other guys you are being soooo thick headed. Don't take that as an offense, but it is the truth. Bye, see you Friday. -- Folengo ( talk) 17:20, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I feel like recent pictures of somebody should be enough for the purpose of this list. Social media is allowed for uncontroversial claims, and I think being alive isn't usually controversial. Emk9 ( talk) 18:00, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
I don't think we should use the source, as the account posting it is not verified. There is a politician Nay Zin Lat from Burma, who may or may not be the same person as on the Facebook page, but we cannot verify. I'm not doubting that Tun Tin is still alive (and think he very likely is) but we go by policy, not probability. EternalNomad ( talk) 21:23, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
Anyway BBC dedicated an entire Facebook post to Tun Tin, before writing this article mainly, but not only, about him. The rest of the article may have been taken from here, but BBC is a very reliable source ad the opening part is about Tun Tin. Plus we know from other Facebook posts he is still alive. I'm intentioned to add this source, BBC is completely reputable and has surely verified he was still alive before writing the article. It's BBC, not Radar Online! -- Folengo ( talk) 18:57, 16 June 2018 (UTC)
Jules Sedney was Prime Minister of Suriname from 1969 to 1973. Should he be added to this list? 92.108.15.73 ( talk) 22:00, 21 March 2018 (UTC)
While he doesn't have a biography at NKLeadershipwatch,I note a Google Books hit on "North Korea:The Politics of Regime Survival" (ISBN 1317463765) whose 2015 edition includes an essay "Emergence of the Second Republic:The Kim Regime Adapts to the Challenges of Modernity" by Alexandre Y. Mansourov in which Ri Gun Mo is referred to as deceased.Much of the book actually dates to 2005 or so.He could have been dead for quite a while. 12.144.5.2 ( talk) 17:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC) note left on my talk page Emk9 ( talk) 17:28, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
Here are the leaders whose sources date back to years before 2016 or 2016.
2014:
2016:
There seems to be an edit war about the inclusion of Mr. Boras on the list. Personally I'd struggle to find a real reason for which he should be included.
I think this clearly goes against the purposes of this page. So my opinion is he should be removed. -- Folengo ( talk) 12:44, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Fixed source and uncorrect piping. Strongly against inclusion anyaway.-- Folengo ( talk) 12:50, 16 December 2018 (UTC)
Also, Biljana Plavšić is waiting. You didn't delete her.– Jwkozak91 ( talk) 01:14, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
I'll do it now. We had strong discussions some time ago about members of collective presidencies ( Ali Haroun, Maria Schneider, the Poles, exc.) and decided to remove them. I'll keep this list simplier as possible, with only very legit heads of state/government on it. Thanks for contributing, though. -- Folengo ( talk) 16:25, 25 December 2018 (UTC)
So Awadalla is now number one. What I ask here is, are we really sure he's still alive? We already kept a dead Telmo Vargas as number one for years and Awadalla's case has always been controversial. This article claims he died in September 2016 aged 99 and the site also published this story for which he was admitted to the list in 2015. In March 2017 he was removed from the list by @ EternalNomad: after that source was found, anyway he was readded a few months later because a Sudanese news site reported they had speak with Babiker Awadala on 23 May 2017. The article is no longer available.
They claimed he lived in Dublin. In fact a pediatrician named Babiker Awadalla lives in Dublin and he could be his son. And a wrong report of death is plausible. But then a source from May 2018 claims he is living in Alexandria, Egypt and not in Dublin! A travel like that would be difficult for a 101 year old man, so I don't know what to think. I'd like to avoid another Telmo Vargas, but the situation is really confused. @ Emk9:, @ Lancelot:, @ StjepanHR: and everyone else who contributes to the page. -- Folengo ( talk) 18:55, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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@ Pamin Farin: What are you requesting? Emk9 ( talk) 03:40, 8 March 2019 (UTC)
The present inline links lack sufficient bibliographic detail - they should be replaced with more complete citations. Nikkimaria ( talk) 02:38, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
There is a list of all leaders for which there is not a death date on Rulers.org (at least before one month), and I sorted them in few categories (U stands for "unproven", A for "alive"):
1. Highly unlikely of being alive (born before 1916): (U=7, A=0)
2. Unlikely to be alive (1916-1920): (U=5, A=0)
3. Moderate possibility of being alive (1921-1925): (U=6, A=0)
4. Good possibility of being alive (1926-1929, 1930 to be done): (U=3, A=0)
5. Upcoming (1931)
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Can I Update this write protected article Johnkimley dalog labasan ( talk) 14:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
Sir Michael Hardie Boys is still alive - & served from 1996 to 2001 as Governor-General of New Zealand. He was born on 6 October 1931. - ( 124.197.55.28 ( talk) 15:13, 6 February 2020 (UTC))
There are some state leaders (that they were presidents of the country), but they were also presidents and prime ministers of the country. These leaders are: Khamtai Siphandon Jiang Zemin Mikhail Gorbachev Raúl Castro So the position of leaders of the Communist Party need to be removed, because that position is not a state leader (example: Milos Jakes is in the unclear state leader list) Mancu32 ( talk) 14:17, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
And why is Milos Jakes in the unclear state leader list? Mancu32 ( talk) 06:41, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
John Cremona, who celebrated his 101st birthday last January may qualify. According to Malta's national archives, "On several occasions he assumed, in an acting capacity, the functions of Head of State (Governor-General and later, President)."
Whether that means he assumed the role when it was vacant or when the HoS was unavailable, I'm not sure. Worldstatesmen and archontology have him as acting president from 25 to 27 December 1976, but that doesn't exactly square with the official bio of the President who left office ( Anthony Mamo), supposedly on December 26. I'm not sure when he acted as Governor General, but it's possible that it happened just before Mamo became acting GG.
I suspect this may require an email to their national archives, but if anyone else would like to do some digging it would be welcome.
Star Garnet ( talk) 04:10, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
One topic that hasn't been discussed is whether the Veguers (and their replacements, personal representatives) of Andorra would qualify. My interpretation is they are essentially Governors General under a different title. I would say that Francesc Badia i Batalla probably at least qualifies for the unclear status list. Star Garnet ( talk) 22:22, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
Does anybody else like the addition of photographs as you can see at User:Star Garnet/Sandbox? Does anybody object to this new format? Star Garnet ( talk) 18:05, 7 February 2020 (UTC)
There are a few issues that I believe need to be clarified on this page and the longest-lived page. Issues that are clarified in the following version: inclusion of governors-general, inclusion of internationally recognized de facto leaders (PMs of Peru, party leaders), inclusion of Taiwan (as well as Palestine, Kosovo, SADR, exclusion of Northern Cyprus and probably South Ossetia and Abkhazia). Proposed revision:
This article lists the 100 oldest living current or former state leaders whose age can be demonstrated beyond reasonable doubt. State leaders are defined to include heads of state (including representatives who act in their stead, generally a governor-general), heads of government and internationally recognized de facto leaders [α] of sovereign states with significant international recognition. Leaders are not included if no reliable secondary sources have confirmed that the leader is alive within the last 10 years. The oldest living former state leader is Hyun Soong-jong of South Korea at the age of 105 years, 147 days. Leaders currently in office are in bold on purple, with Mahathir Mohamad of Malaysia being the oldest currently-serving head of government and Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom [β] being the oldest currently-serving head of state.
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May I edit this protected article, to update the ages of this current and former state leaders. Labsanjohnkimley96 ( talk) 08:42, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
I like to see how the interest about this list has been reinvigorated recently. I agree Jakes should be back on the main list. Since many on the list are pretty obscure (you see Abdul Latif Dayfallah's death has gone unnoticed for a year) I'd suggest a few names we should keep an eye on more than others. Not in the sense there won't be obituaries for them, but it is not obvious we can't find them (see above). So:
-- Folengo ( talk) 20:07, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Actually, the update of Arturo Armando Molina (that is in the list), is not relacionated with him. I suggest we need another update, or the remove of Molina — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mancu32 ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
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Pié Masumbuko, who was Prime Minister of Burundi in 1965, is older than Sir Paulias Matane and should be on the list. Alive as of May 2019. -- Folengo ( talk) 18:47, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
Marino Vagnetti was the captain-regent of San Marino in 1971-1972 and 1989. She was born in 1924. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nik21graden ( talk • contribs) 08:45, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
He was military de-facto leader of Panama in 1982-1983. Also He was born in 1931. Nik21graden ( talk) 18:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, he was born in 1933. Nik21graden ( talk) 18:16, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
He should be moved to the uncertain date of birth list. Because according to his article of Wikipedia, he was born on April of 1925, not on 18 February. Mancu32 ( talk) 14:28, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
His Simple english, Farsi and Russian pages say that his birthday was 18 February, but the majority of other translations just say 1925 without a day or a month. Khronicle I ( talk) 18:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
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MAY I UPDATE THIS ARTICLE DAILY KILLERXR ( talk) 09:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
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c 10:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)Why don't we give these five state leaders a chance to recognise their leadership KILLERXR ( talk) 12:33, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Discussions have already taken place about the status of those state leaders (those discussions are available in the talk page archives): If I've understood correctly, Josip Manolić was prime minister of Croatia when it was newly independent and unrecognised. It's possible that Kim yong-ju is no longer alive. This is also the same with Mohammad Hassan Sharq. The position of acting sovereign of Vatican city is also unclear. Khronicle I ( talk) 12:59, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Because he was a vicepresident, not a President or a Prime Minister. Vicepresident is not a state leader, so why iti is on the Unclear List? Also, he was born in an uncertain date on 1920 Mancu32 ( talk) 21:17, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
He is already removed KILLERXR ( talk) 00:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Why don't we expand the list of oldest living state leaders from 100 to 150 KILLERXR ( talk) 00:15, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
I was thinking even if only 10 will be added KILLERXR ( talk) 01:47, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
100 is standard for theses kinds of list. Khronicle I ( talk) 13:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)
Is there a possibility to add the birth name of the state leaders KILLERXR ( talk) 08:19, 29 August 2020 (UTC)
What if we merge all state leaders with same ages into one ie Selim Hoss Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panilç to number 56 and Efraín Goldenberg to no. 57 KILLERXR ( talk) 12:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Efraín Goldenberg was born eight days later. Khronicle I ( talk) 13:00, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I mean those state leaders with same ages and following their numbers respectively KILLERXR ( talk) 13:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
For example Sir William Deane and Cleopa Msuya are 75 and 76 and Chun Doo-hwan is no 77 why don't we just let them share the 75 Spot and Chun Doo-hwan is the 76th oldest KILLERXR ( talk) 13:31, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Sir William Deane and Cleopa Msuya were both born on 4 January 1931, Chun Doo-hwan was born on the 18 January 1931. If they are not the same age why would they share the same spot? Khronicle I ( talk) 13:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
We can have both of them on The 74th spot so as Selim Hoss Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panilç on the 56th KILLERXR ( talk) 13:48, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Panić, Lee and Hoss are already in the 56th position. Toshiki Kaifu is in the 74th position because he was born 2 days before Deane and Msuya. So I don't see a reason to change anything there. Khronicle I ( talk) 14:04, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
They're already tried but the truth is they're numbers are 56, 57 and 58 respectively KILLERXR ( talk) 14:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean by tried, but as they were all born on the 20 December 1929 they all occupy the 56th position. Khronicle I ( talk) 14:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
What I mean is that if we'd unmerge their numbering they'd occupy between 56 and 58 KILLERXR ( talk) 15:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Can I do the thing that I'm requesting so that you may. See what I mean KILLERXR ( talk) 15:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I honestly don't see why anything should be changed. Khronicle I ( talk) 15:20, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Let's do this so that you may see what I mean KILLERXR ( talk) 15:22, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I know what you mean but the ranking doesn't need to be changed. Khronicle I ( talk) 15:36, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Can we Just have individual ranking especially for the state leaders with same ages KILLERXR ( talk) 15:42, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
No, because they are the same age. Khronicle I ( talk) 15:45, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I propose to change the numbering of tied ranks in the table. Currently there are two positions which are taken by multiple people:
61: Selim Hoss, Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panić
99: Nicola Mancino and Ahmed Laraki
We only list the first group as 61 and the latter as 99, although they obviously take 3 and 2 positions in the 100 member list. Right now the list even cosmetically looks silly, because the wording says 100 oldest state leaders and according to the numbering we are only listing 99.
So I propose to change "61" to "61-63" and "99" to "99-100" and to use this method going on when there are state leaders with the exact same birth date. Picsovina ( talk) 08:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
Actually I am for the changing of the ranking Selim Hoss, Lee Hyun-jae and Milan Panilç currently occupied rank 57 but m technically they occupy ranks 57-59 so I propose that all of them will be number 57 and Efraín Goldenberg should be 58th KILLERXR ( talk) 06:18, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
May I also propose that these two state leaders would be moved to the addendum because of their status as Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan both of them were not even included in the roster of Prime Minister KILLERXR ( talk) 08:46, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
While he became president of Tanzania in 1985 he did not become head of the party until 1990 (as is stated in both his and Julius Nyerere's articles). It was also remarked on in news at the time that Nyerere was only giving up the presidency for the time being. In 1992 the party ceased to have sole legal status so its headship after that is immaterial to the article. 96.250.80.27 ( talk) 20:42, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
The sole purpose of the hidden list is, or should be, to enable the immediate restoration of the list to 100 entries if someone dies. In which case for the vast majority of the time only one hidden person is needed. It is extremely unlikely that more than 3 would ever be needed. Having 10 or even serves no purpose except to allow a few editors to treat it as part of the main list, which in no way improves the article for other readers. DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 19:24, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually there is no need to reduce the number of state leaders in the hidden list from 10 to 3 because I think 10 is standard KILLERXR ( talk) 23:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
May I propose to add him to the list because he was a former Prime Minister of Afghanistan from 1988-89 though his position was Chairman of the Council of Ministers O do believe that his Status is very clear KILLERXR ( talk) 15:09, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
May I propose that we remove him from the list because I think his Status is Unclear because he is not included in the list of Presidents of the Italian Republic but as a substitute only KILLERXR ( talk) 06:43, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
May I propose that we include a chronological list of the eldest living state leaders since 1893 KILLERXR ( talk) 02:53, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Why no KILLERXR ( talk) 06:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
We'll actually the proposal is only to give notice that several state leaders became they became eldest living but they were actually not yet 90 KILLERXR ( talk) 09:41, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Sirikit was regent for a little time in Thailand in 1956, and was born in August of 1932. It is considered as a leader by the Worldstatesmen page. For example, the now death Prem Tinsulanonda was in the list with the position of Prime Minister (1980-1988), and Regent (2016), so why don't we consider regents as state leaders? Mancu32 ( talk) 18:21, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
May I propose to include a paragraph which gives notice of the most recent deaths of state leader
For example "The Most recent death of an oldest living former state leader was that of Canadian Prime Minister John Turner who was 91 years, 108 days on 18 September 2020, no oldest state leader have died during the last 3 years, 277 days" and this same paragraph to be added to the list of longest living state leaders. KILLERXR ( talk) 23:07, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the reply KILLERXR ( talk) 09:33, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Dušan Čkrebić should be added to the list because he was a former President of Serbia KILLERXR ( talk) 09:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Ok thanks @DerbyCountyinNZ KILLERXR ( talk) 11:07, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
can we consolidate the living as of in to one date but we will no longer remove the citations which will prove that they're still living KILLERXR ( talk) 03:21, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
My point is that only those state leaders who has lived in the last ten years with reliable sources are are included but through consolidation we can able to track down that they're still living in a day to day basis KILLERXR ( talk) 04:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
But...if we remove the column how will we know that Queen Elizabeth hasn't died since the last update??? DerbyCountyinNZ ( Talk Contribs) 05:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
can we add a hatnote template for a regular update on ages just like on the list of longest living state leaders KILLERXR ( talk) 05:04, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
we can still assume that the British Monarch is still living because there are still news which points that she is still alive we can only assume that she has died if his eldest son The Prince of Wales acedes, actually there are news which is pointing out that Queen Elizabeth II is refusing to abdicate in favour of his son The Prince of Wales . KILLERXR ( talk) 05:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Is the position of a General Secretary considered a state leadership, because on the brief note that the head of state of Mongolia is a Present KILLERXR ( talk) 13:06, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Can we Move him back to the Addendum KILLERXR ( talk) 23:31, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Can we add a column for the image of the state leaders and remove the gallery KILLERXR ( talk) 07:23, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
Is he considered a state leader as South Sudan is an Autonomous Region of Sudan in 1978, so as Abel Adler, and if they are considered to be so can we include them in the list KILLERXR ( talk) 09:57, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Sirikit is on the list due to being regent while her husband entered the Buddhist monkhood for a period of time. However in that case, there was no vacancy in the monarchy, the regent was just acting in his place. Are such individuals eligible for this list? For example, Dick Cheney was Acting president of the United States on June 29, 2002 and July 21, 2007, so would he eventually be eligible? 73.110.217.186 ( talk) 03:22, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
IMHO, regents and acting heads of state – acting heads of government for incapacitated leaders (although not applicable for Rama IX) are eligible for this list. I await being persuaded otherwise. – Jwkozak91 ( talk) 04:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
Can we enjoin him in the above list because he was a former Prime Minister of the Democratic Republic of Iraq, as he was a former PM he should be in the list KILLERXR ( talk) 01:18, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
After I looked at the Article List of Presidents of The Italian Republic I found out that Mr. Mancino's status is clear as he appears on the section Subscribe Presidents, can we put him back above KILLERXR ( talk) 01:33, 23 December 2020 (UTC)
Can anybody verify that Edmund Wickham Lawrence was born in 1932 as opposed to 1935? The unsourced change dates back to this IP edit. Star Garnet ( talk) 03:57, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
Name | State | Position | Birth | note |
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Possibly dead, but potential additions if a recent source can be found | ||||
Feliciano Avelar | El Salvador | Member of the Civic-Military Directory (1961-1962) | 1919 | |
Rota Onorio | Kiribati | Acting President (1982-1983) | 1919 | |
Jaime Florentino Mendieta Vargas | Bolivia | Junta Member (1981) | 1922 | |
Jean-Antoine Grégoire Eugène | Haiti | Member of the Executive Government Council (1957) | 1924 | |
Marino Vagnetti | San Marino | Captain Regent (1971-1972, 1989) | 1924 | |
Emmanuel Bodjollé | Togo | Chairman of the Insurrection Committee (1963) | 1928 | |
Albert Ndele | Congo, Democratic Republic | Chairman of Board of Commissioners (1960) | August 15, 1930 | |
Soviet transition; I'd argue for inclusion | ||||
Yefrem Sokolov | Belarus | Communist Party Secretary (1990) | April 25, 1926 | state sovereignty declared 7/25/1990 alive as of 2016-04-26 |
Abdurrahman Vazirov | Azerbaijan | Communist Party Secretary (1989-1990) | May 26, 1930 | state sovereignty declared 9/23/1989 alive as of 2020-07-09 |
Jānis Vagris | Latvia | Community Party Secretary (1989-1990 | October 17, 1930 | state sovereignty declared 7/28/1989 alive as of 2010-10-18 |
Vaino Väljas | Estonia | Communist Party Secretary (1988-1990) Communist Party Chairman (1990-1991) |
March 28, 1931 | state sovereignty declared 11/16/1988 alive as of 2018-04-10 |
Solid possibilities for inclusion | ||||
Queen Kesang Choden | Bhutan | Regent (1972) | May 21, 1930 | alive 2020-05-20 or 2016-05-20 |
César Yanes Urías | El Salvador | Member of the Junta (1960-1961) | April 25, 1931 | unclear status list? alive as of 2018-10-11 |
Starting a discussion on the edits to include Josip Manolić in the main list here and on List of longest-living state leaders. Based on the last discussion in 2017, the consensus seems to be that since Croatia was not recognized as an independent country until after Manolić's resignation as prime minister, he should not necessarily be included on the main list. There's also the matter of the Brioni Agreement which suspended Croatia's independence declaration until October. Emk9 ( talk) 20:49, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
"Historical Dictionary of Togo" (2021 edition) refers to him as "retired", meaning he was alive at the time of the book (April 2021). However, I am not sure if we should include him or not, since there were previous editions of the book and this could simply be a leftover if there were not any news about him in th emeantime. On the other hand, the authors should probably be aware of possible death of a former head of state and co-leader of the 1963 coup with Gnassingbé Eyadéma, amnog others. Any other opinion? StjepanHR ( talk) 19:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
I'll be happy to include him if more substantial sources show up, but not for the current state of things. Better be cautious than reporting false information!-- Folengo ( talk) 08:29, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
can we add an info about the most recent death of a state leader Jobzaiay13 ( talk) 22:33, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
Emir of Ajman was born in 1931 and had ruled his emirate from 1981. He is not listed here.
may i propose to add images of state leaders Jobzaiay13 ( talk) 07:56, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Sorry for opening this section on this page, but the sister page of this page is also being nominated for deletion: [12] . I have noticed there is much more discussion on this page's deletion page, so I am posting this here in order for others interested in the topic to participate in the discussion. For example, I was notified only for this page and not the other one: [13] (although it's maybe because I created the first version of this one). StjepanHR ( talk) 17:12, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
Can somebody track down an actual source for Kim Yong-ju? The current one shouldn't qualify, and I'm dubious the 2012 reference in his article is accurate. Star Garnet ( talk) 20:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
IMHO, we should change the entry criteria & exclude 'interim', 'acting', 'party' or 'representative' officials. Examples - Regents, Party leaders, Governors-General, Acting Presidents, etc etc. Make it strictly for heads of state & heads of government. GoodDay ( talk) 14:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
Numberings need updating. GoodDay ( talk) 08:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)