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What should be the correct citation style? I'm thinking that for PD works (that are on IMSLP,) a link to the IMSLP page works, but what about other pieces? Link to its page on the publisher's site? Where does it go? I will begin converting the links for works on IMSLP to the new format. Wilh3lm Go here to trout me if I do a stupid 16:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Pretty sure Ascension by Vengeance Rising has a 17/4 signature but I don't know how to obtain a proper reference :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoFcF43Idrk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.112.71.64 ( talk) 11:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
It happened again... The article got too many templates and too big. Per the discussion at the village pump (now located in Archive 198 as Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 198 § Broken reflist at List of musical works in unusual time signatures), I have removed a few unnecessary references to other time signatures in entries and changed up at least 100 instances of {{ music}}'s time signatures with {{ time signature}}. I suggest changing {{ time signature}} to directly call Su instead of using {{ su}} (see Village Pump discussion) and fixing some of the references that are unclear and probably adding unnecessarily to the size. Wilh3lm Talk 11:50, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
I just added a clarification to the lead para, explicitly:
This list article does not include pieces notated using a standard time signature, no matter how unusual the metre.
because it could be unclear to readers whether the Britten Passacaglia from Peter Grimes would be included; it is not. Although, were a third party to publish a score of the piece in 11, rather than 4, it might then fit within the scope of the article title. This is strange, since the music wouldn't change, just its representation. Which leads me to the question of the primacy of the sound or its notation - which is the more important?; or in practical terms:
yoyo ( talk) 00:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
This article has many, many uses of {{ time signature}} which have already lead to hitting the post-expand include size limit twice. As the article continues expanding, it is projected to hit that limit again soon. At time of writing, it is at 2,048,471 of 2,097,152 bytes. The majority of uses of {{ time signature}} are in the section on combined unusual signatures.
I have created two copies of the article: User:Wilhelm von Hindenburger/Timesig1 and User:Wilhelm_von_Hindenburger/Timesig2 to test a method for reducing the PEIS by separating the listed pieces into the sections on those time signatures, which should be smaller given that, although the name of the piece and composer are repeated more often, they are probably smaller than the PEIS of the {{ time signature}} template. In addition, because numerators of 5 and 7 are already omitted, just going to their respective articles on Quintuple meter and Septuple meter, that will also reduce the size.
The first test of this, on Benjamin Britten's Diversions for Piano Left Hand and Orchestra, has successfully reduced the PEIS by about 5KB (four instances of {{ time signature}}). If anyone wants to see the changes in size, they are on the talk page for the second test page: User talk:Wilhelm von Hindenburger/Timesig2. Wilh3lm Talk 13:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Also, to stop the software from whining about signatures every time, I will be collecting them here: Wilh3lm Talk 20:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC) Wilh3lm Talk 23:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC) Wilh3lm Talk 22:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC) Wilh3lm Talk 19:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, there exist a folk song (perhaps in Bulgaria?) in 17/16 but grouped exactly as: (2+2+2)+(2+2+3+2+2) ?
and 21/16 as:
(2+2+2)+(2+2+2+2+3+2+2) ?
I really have no idea where/whom to ask this question to. I read articles of B. Kremliev, Arom, T. Rice, Alice Singer, Con. Brailoiu but I found only 17 = 22222223 (i.e. with 223 ending instead of my requested 322), and a variation (elongation) over a 16/16 Pousteno with 17 = (2233)(223).
thanks a lot. best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vastymedoisa ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm just curious because I can't find any rules about this. If you made piece of music that can be put on here, can you yourself put it on the wiki page? Isalick34 ( talk) 16:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
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What should be the correct citation style? I'm thinking that for PD works (that are on IMSLP,) a link to the IMSLP page works, but what about other pieces? Link to its page on the publisher's site? Where does it go? I will begin converting the links for works on IMSLP to the new format. Wilh3lm Go here to trout me if I do a stupid 16:23, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Pretty sure Ascension by Vengeance Rising has a 17/4 signature but I don't know how to obtain a proper reference :p https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoFcF43Idrk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.112.71.64 ( talk) 11:37, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
It happened again... The article got too many templates and too big. Per the discussion at the village pump (now located in Archive 198 as Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 198 § Broken reflist at List of musical works in unusual time signatures), I have removed a few unnecessary references to other time signatures in entries and changed up at least 100 instances of {{ music}}'s time signatures with {{ time signature}}. I suggest changing {{ time signature}} to directly call Su instead of using {{ su}} (see Village Pump discussion) and fixing some of the references that are unclear and probably adding unnecessarily to the size. Wilh3lm Talk 11:50, 28 October 2022 (UTC)
I just added a clarification to the lead para, explicitly:
This list article does not include pieces notated using a standard time signature, no matter how unusual the metre.
because it could be unclear to readers whether the Britten Passacaglia from Peter Grimes would be included; it is not. Although, were a third party to publish a score of the piece in 11, rather than 4, it might then fit within the scope of the article title. This is strange, since the music wouldn't change, just its representation. Which leads me to the question of the primacy of the sound or its notation - which is the more important?; or in practical terms:
yoyo ( talk) 00:31, 30 October 2022 (UTC)
This article has many, many uses of {{ time signature}} which have already lead to hitting the post-expand include size limit twice. As the article continues expanding, it is projected to hit that limit again soon. At time of writing, it is at 2,048,471 of 2,097,152 bytes. The majority of uses of {{ time signature}} are in the section on combined unusual signatures.
I have created two copies of the article: User:Wilhelm von Hindenburger/Timesig1 and User:Wilhelm_von_Hindenburger/Timesig2 to test a method for reducing the PEIS by separating the listed pieces into the sections on those time signatures, which should be smaller given that, although the name of the piece and composer are repeated more often, they are probably smaller than the PEIS of the {{ time signature}} template. In addition, because numerators of 5 and 7 are already omitted, just going to their respective articles on Quintuple meter and Septuple meter, that will also reduce the size.
The first test of this, on Benjamin Britten's Diversions for Piano Left Hand and Orchestra, has successfully reduced the PEIS by about 5KB (four instances of {{ time signature}}). If anyone wants to see the changes in size, they are on the talk page for the second test page: User talk:Wilhelm von Hindenburger/Timesig2. Wilh3lm Talk 13:51, 8 March 2023 (UTC)
Also, to stop the software from whining about signatures every time, I will be collecting them here: Wilh3lm Talk 20:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC) Wilh3lm Talk 23:16, 3 June 2023 (UTC) Wilh3lm Talk 22:33, 14 January 2024 (UTC) Wilh3lm Talk 19:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)
Hi, there exist a folk song (perhaps in Bulgaria?) in 17/16 but grouped exactly as: (2+2+2)+(2+2+3+2+2) ?
and 21/16 as:
(2+2+2)+(2+2+2+2+3+2+2) ?
I really have no idea where/whom to ask this question to. I read articles of B. Kremliev, Arom, T. Rice, Alice Singer, Con. Brailoiu but I found only 17 = 22222223 (i.e. with 223 ending instead of my requested 322), and a variation (elongation) over a 16/16 Pousteno with 17 = (2233)(223).
thanks a lot. best regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vastymedoisa ( talk • contribs) 02:12, 29 July 2023 (UTC)
I'm just curious because I can't find any rules about this. If you made piece of music that can be put on here, can you yourself put it on the wiki page? Isalick34 ( talk) 16:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)