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…I would simply have deleted this useless pile of fancruft at the source. If it is going to be deleted, then that sets a clear precedent for deleting lists even more gratuitous.
However, as similarly useless lists persist — see List of guitarists — I make the case that this is no worse, and certainly much briefer.
Are there problems? Certainly. Foremost, the article Multi-instrumentalist says quite clearly at its beginning that
So, unless a referenced Wikipedia article contains a statement from a credible source that the subject is highly proficient on more than one instrument, then the entry DOES NOT belong on this list — period. As an example, the claim has never been made (much less substantiated) that Amy Winehouse was capable of supporting herself as a professional guitarist AND capable of supporting herself as a professional drummer (the only instruments claimed in the WP article); lacking high proficieny in both, Winehouse therefore doesn't belong on the list.
Either EVERY cited WP article must clearly state that the subject is a multi-instrumentalist AND credit that claim to a reliable source… OR the entry on this list MUST itself make a citation. Any entry that cannot meet one criterion or the other deserves immediate removal.
As to the survivors, those ought to be organized in some manner rather than as a mechanically alphabetized lump.
But if this list is deleted, then I will accept that as fully backing me in forever removing the list from reappearing in
Multi-instrumentalist.
Weeb Dingle (
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15:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
The mass of nonsense continues to accrete. In order to belong on this List, it MUST be stated clearly in the WP article about the individual AND supported by some credible outside source that this person is demonstrably capable of not merely playing more than one instrument BUT that it has been done so at a professional level of proficiency.
If it were up to me, I'd remove everyone who took piano lessons as a kid (so remains able to pound out basic accompaniment) while becoming known as a guitarist, or suchlike. Steve Tyler plays a mean harmonica, but certainly couldn't make a living as a pianist, therefore fails the "proficiency test"; Madonna is many things but NOT a skilled instrumentalist. And a guitar player who's occasionally played bass is not thereby "proficient" on two UNRELATED instruments.
Now,
John Entwistle is a great example, being an iconic bassist, and having played both piano (and other keys) and French horn (and other brasses) on multiple recordings over a span of years, AND this is explicitly mentioned in his WP article. Anything less is immediately questionable.
Weeb Dingle (
talk)
19:26, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
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…I would simply have deleted this useless pile of fancruft at the source. If it is going to be deleted, then that sets a clear precedent for deleting lists even more gratuitous.
However, as similarly useless lists persist — see List of guitarists — I make the case that this is no worse, and certainly much briefer.
Are there problems? Certainly. Foremost, the article Multi-instrumentalist says quite clearly at its beginning that
So, unless a referenced Wikipedia article contains a statement from a credible source that the subject is highly proficient on more than one instrument, then the entry DOES NOT belong on this list — period. As an example, the claim has never been made (much less substantiated) that Amy Winehouse was capable of supporting herself as a professional guitarist AND capable of supporting herself as a professional drummer (the only instruments claimed in the WP article); lacking high proficieny in both, Winehouse therefore doesn't belong on the list.
Either EVERY cited WP article must clearly state that the subject is a multi-instrumentalist AND credit that claim to a reliable source… OR the entry on this list MUST itself make a citation. Any entry that cannot meet one criterion or the other deserves immediate removal.
As to the survivors, those ought to be organized in some manner rather than as a mechanically alphabetized lump.
But if this list is deleted, then I will accept that as fully backing me in forever removing the list from reappearing in
Multi-instrumentalist.
Weeb Dingle (
talk)
15:48, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
The mass of nonsense continues to accrete. In order to belong on this List, it MUST be stated clearly in the WP article about the individual AND supported by some credible outside source that this person is demonstrably capable of not merely playing more than one instrument BUT that it has been done so at a professional level of proficiency.
If it were up to me, I'd remove everyone who took piano lessons as a kid (so remains able to pound out basic accompaniment) while becoming known as a guitarist, or suchlike. Steve Tyler plays a mean harmonica, but certainly couldn't make a living as a pianist, therefore fails the "proficiency test"; Madonna is many things but NOT a skilled instrumentalist. And a guitar player who's occasionally played bass is not thereby "proficient" on two UNRELATED instruments.
Now,
John Entwistle is a great example, being an iconic bassist, and having played both piano (and other keys) and French horn (and other brasses) on multiple recordings over a span of years, AND this is explicitly mentioned in his WP article. Anything less is immediately questionable.
Weeb Dingle (
talk)
19:26, 12 May 2019 (UTC)