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Ancient Anatolia is not Turkey. Neither is the Byzantine Empire. Turkey is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire and therefore those two may stay. I propose deleting anything before that. Proudbolsahye ( talk) 03:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Byzantines were the predecessor of the Ottomans and so was Ancient Anatolia of Byzantines. But are you trying to say that only massacres comitted by Turks may stay and everything except Armenian Genocide should be deleted? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
The article states: "The following is a list of massacres that have occurred in Turkey and its predecessors (numbers may be approximate, as estimates vary greatly)".
It is really funny, how you are now discrediting the source, it is always the same behavior when WP:JDLI. That source is used in the Ethnic Cleansing article to "prove" [4]that Seljuk Turks ethnically cleansed Greeks. Are you now going to say the same things there and remove it, I don't think so. Besides you did not have to critisize the source, because more sources describe the massacre of Levounion. It is more detailed in its own article Battle of Levounion.
All these massacres happened in the area of modern Turkey, they are relevant why should it be removed? Lumping Ottoman massacres in the area of modern Turkey together with Modern Turkey is not necessary, than we should better create List of Massacres in the Ottoman Empire. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Also I do not understand why you are insisting on adding a massacre in Bulgaria(different country) in the List of Massacres in Turkey article? And for some reason you are in this case not critical to the source at all. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 18:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Now you know about Ethnic Cleansing, are you going to remove the source in the ethnic cleansing article too? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I did not accuse you of editing there, I wrote that the source you criticise is used in the Ethnic Cleansing article to prove(!) an ethnic cleansing(!), now if you were an honest person, you would remove it from there by using the same arguments, but you are not interested(?), is this a case of WP:LIKE(?). DragonTiger23 ( talk) 20:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC) You could google search it instead of denying it instantly, here a source for Levounioun, [1] DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I never said that you edited ethnic cleansing. I informed you that the book of the Nigerian linguist (which you criticised as unreliable) is used [8] by others on the Ethnic Cleansing article to prove an ethnic cleansing. So if the source is unreliable than it also should be removed from there. I do not personally attack you I am just amazed. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 07:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I am amazed again, those massacres have their own wiki articles with sources so instead of calling them unreliable you could read them. The Nigerian linguist source was first used on the Ethnic Cleansing article, nobody called it unreliable then, but when I used the same source to add info about a massacre here, you anounced it was unreliable. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 21:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Please no WP:JDLI DragonTiger23 ( talk) 09:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
April Uprising is in Bulgaria, all the other massacres of the Ottoman Empire are in their relevant countries articles, check the article, list of massacres in Greece, in Ottoman syria and so on. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Maybe that is better, what do other users think? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 20:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I strongly oppose such a decision, remember this is a list and it has the space to list every event seperate. I find this yet another attempt to deny, censor or minimise the sufferings of Turkish/Muslim people of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish republic. This is a list of massacres not total war casualties, so instead of collective numbers of the Armenian/Greek genocide we should list the seperate massacres in these events.
Besides the Republic of Turkey can be the successor of the Ottomans yet they are still very different, there are some authors who argue that the Ottomans were a successor state to the Byzantine Empire. So it was wrong to censor Byzantine massacres and remove it from here. While no one here has ever denied the sufferings of Christians/Greeks or Armenians I found it very sad that people who accuse Turks of that behavior show it themselves. Besides the listed events are not that long either. If you insist on censoring Turkish suffering I will take it to admin level. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 08:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
All events that I added are sourced, why are you still adding dubious, remember WP:JDLI but nobody has ever criticised what you added. See [ [12]]. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 09:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
How strange, you used a snippet source here to prove ethnic cleansing [13]. The burning of Turkish cities by retreating Greek troops is documented in numerous Western/Greek and Turkish sources, they were deliberate and accompanied by massacres and rape, the number of 200 killed is given by that source. There is no question that the city was burned and local population killed but still you are adding dubious and full citations to sourced content. So please avoid WP:JDLI. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 09:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no harm in adding more sourced reliable information about massacres to the list, censorship because of WP:JDLI is wrong. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 11:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This is not demographically possible according to the Ottoman population census. Those show the total Armenian population of Erzurum city and the province to have grown till 1914. They give 108k Armenian in 1893 and 135k in 1914. If there were 60k killed than that would mean that the Armenian population of the entire Erzurum Vilayet(Province) in 1894 was 168k and the loss would be 36% for the entire Vilayet. According to Ottoman sources the district (Kaza) of Erzurum city had 11k Armenians in 1882. [1] There still was an Armenian population in 1915 which was deported. Can someone check the source critically. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
However the Ottoman census gives the Armenian population in Erzurum province as 116k in 1906, if these were the surviving 10% than the pre-massacre Armenian population of Erzurum should be 1,16 million and the death toll 1 million. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Your argument makes no sense, have you even read what I wrote? If the Ottoman census is wrong then there should be 1 million Armenians killed in Erzerum province alone in 1895. So instead of repeating your dogma ("Ottomans not reliable") please do a little bit thinking and research. Do not instantly accept the wildest numbers only because you wp:like it. We have to be neutral.
Furthermore Ottoman census are reliable, all other western sources and estimates are based upon them. The Ottomans were the only ones to have the means to count their own population. However there is some minor under counting of children and women. But generally they are reliable. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 08:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Vital Cuinet, French geographer, gives 134,967 Armenians for Erzurum Vilayet in 1896. Source: "La Turquie d'Asie; géographie administrative, statistique" If this was the surviving 10% Armenian population then the casualties of 1894 would be 135k x 10 - 135k = 1,215 million killed. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 11:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The source seems to be quite tenuous. The accusation made by Kamil Tekin Sürek, a murder witness and lawyer, does not appear to have any real evidence. I see no mention of the Grey Wolves in the source either. Is there any other source for this? As it stands right now, that entry and the corresponding source are not enough under reliable sourcing guidelines. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 03:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
It appears that a number of recent edit are pushing a specific pro-Turkish pov, although not a single additional source is presented so far, to justify some of the manipulation of sourced date. To sum up:
In case no real arguments are presented with reliable data to support the above adjustments, it can be easy concluded that this is nothing more than manipulation of sourced content and the previous version (on the above mentioned occasions) should be restored. Alexikoua ( talk) 17:23, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The Greco-Turkish War section was subject to a massive wave of additions, most of them were poorly sourced (either poor citationss without author, url or using pov sources such as the Ataturk foundation) or the specific sources were cherry picked. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:06, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
It appears that this piece of info can't be confirmed by any detailed report. In fact the total number of Muslims in the wider Aidin_Vilayet (i.e. the wider region of western Anatolia) were 1,119,000, according to the pro-Turkish Ottoman statistics. This means slighlty more victims than the total number...
On the contrary the specific information is rejected by several schoolar, who point out that the Turkish (Muslim according to Ottoman millet system) victims during the Greek-Turkish War were possibly "more the 15,000" [ [23]][ [24]]. Alexikoua ( talk) 13:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
This is isn't the article to discuss this issue, nor is it possible to do so given the article format. This issue is simply too complicated to be discussed in a series of table footnotes. I am removing all footnotes. Athenean ( talk) 07:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, the purported ethnic cleansing of "millions" of Muslims from the Balkans and Caucausus took place...in the Balkans and Caucasus, not Turkey. As the article shows, in the period 1821-1918, all the massacres in turkey was carried out by Muslims/Turks. All the incidents in the first two tables refer to massacres where the victims were Christian, there is not one massacre of Turks. Hence, including in the footnotes McCarthy's claim of the ethnic cleansing of millions of Muslims is even more off-topic, and even more tendentious. Athenean ( talk) 07:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
If this article is going to list massacres in modern Turkey's borders, then it doesn't make sense to include events before 1923. The article is a POV fork at the moment. I am not even talking about frivolous excuse Athenean came up with to remove notes. Cavann ( talk) 16:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't think you understand what a content fork is. What article is this a fork of. The pseudo-issue you mention can be simply addressed by modifying the first sentence of the article to "This is a list of massacres that have occurred on the territory of modern-day Turkey". By the way, I remember you saying that the article contained massacres that had occurred outside of the territory of modern-day Turkey and that you would remove them. Well? Did you find any? Athenean ( talk) 19:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
@Cavann: There is no way one can calculate the number of Armenian killed within Turkey's current borders. Historians can't even agree on the overall number of the genocide victims. -- Երևանցի talk 20:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Justin McCarthy (American historian) is a known Armenian genocide denier. I don't know how someone like him can be considered reliable. Why don't we quote Samuel Weems too? -- Երևանցի talk 19:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Bernard Lewis has been accused of "denialism" in the matter as well. I'd love to see you fellas blacklist him from Wikipedia as a fringe nutcase. :) -- Mttll ( talk) 22:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The only source given for this is by Uğur Ümit Üngör. No problem here, he seems to be a reliable author. The problem is that online version of his book doesn't say where exactly the massacres took place and when they took place.
I'm happy to report I've fixed most of the persitent problems this article has been having, including putting all the post World War deaths together instead of in single regions, which made it unreadably wrong. I've also removed the so called massacres without any sources that vandals have continued to put up. In addition, I have removed everything that isn't called a massacre and has no reason being here. This article had heavily lost its objective and became a gallery for small events with few credibility, usually made up by propagandists. This is not a gallery, only events that are massacres go here. For example, neither the Boston Marathon bombings or 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting go on List of massacres in the United States. HouseOfArtaxiad ( talk) 16:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Turkey had done a good job covering all of its atrocities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.180.20.251 ( talk) 14:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Article is not neutral its one sided and mostly anti-Turkish. Has very few massacres comitted on Turks. Incorrectly lists the total death toll of wars as massacre. Uses inflated numbers. Should be improved and problems fixed. Till then adding pov tag. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 10:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Those events described here the Ottoman Empire, has experienced some period of the Republic of Turkey. Political currents in these incidents, terrorist groups, insurgents have a great influence.
The events that a lot of riots and massacres took place in the country's history are the facts. Here defame Turkey to humiliate think much exaggerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.59.85 ( talk) 00:21, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to add Mongol invasions of Anatolia, during which a lot of massacres are known to be carried out, but I could not find any figures. If someone can find any information, it can be added under a new section "Sultanate of Rum". And perhaps Timur's invasion as well, if any figures are found.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 06:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit which attempted to connect this historical article with the subject of serial killers, on the basis of that set of individuals being also known as "mass murderers." Sorry, Dude, but mass murder by one group committed on another group does not follow the paradigm of one serial killer sequentially killing people, generally one or two at a time, and the connection is sick and in bad taste.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 08:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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many so-called massacres have no sources, Turkey didnt exist before 1923 and thus %99 of massacres listed in this article couldn't have been committed in Turkey and this article is overall a huge mess
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A tag has been placed on List of massacres in Turkey requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:
many so-called massacres have no sources, Turkey didnt exist before 1923 and thus %99 of massacres listed in this article couldn't have been committed in Turkey and this article is overall a huge mess
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I've seen that the page is filled with bombings of any kind. They can go into a Category about terrorist attacks, but this is an article about massacres. Like an enormous amount of force of strength attacking an unprepared minority. The Hamidian massacres are given as an example at the Massacre page. I'd like to take the bombings out of this article if no one opposes reasonably. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
As the Republic of Turkey is only a century old, I propose retaining this article for the massacres of the last 100 years and moving the others into List of massacres of the Ottoman Empire etc.
"It is the second most publicised case of genocide after the Holocaust." Should we presume this should read "It is the most publicised case of genocide after the Holocaust" or, "It is the second most publicised case of genocide, after the Holocaust."? -- 2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:DBD:BB97:BC27:B922 ( talk) 12:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
When quickly checking the historical perspectives of similar pages, I couldn't find such a large historical time frame in any list of massacre list. These massacres could be listed as 'Massacres in Anatolia,' not as 'Turkey.' In this way, Turkey seems like the world's oldest and only country up until the 13th century which we all can imagine only reflects some sort of hostility and childish stupidity. This page appears to be prepared with defamation and negative propaganda purposes. I request a quick edit; otherwise, I will take the issue to the relevant administrators, demanding the removal of the editors who prepared/initiated this page from the platform. What you are doing goes against the rules of the platform. And this platform is not your child`s play. 2003:D4:772B:82FD:853C:C32C:C3EF:F457 ( talk) 22:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)
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Ancient Anatolia is not Turkey. Neither is the Byzantine Empire. Turkey is a continuation of the Ottoman Empire and therefore those two may stay. I propose deleting anything before that. Proudbolsahye ( talk) 03:27, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
Byzantines were the predecessor of the Ottomans and so was Ancient Anatolia of Byzantines. But are you trying to say that only massacres comitted by Turks may stay and everything except Armenian Genocide should be deleted? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
The article states: "The following is a list of massacres that have occurred in Turkey and its predecessors (numbers may be approximate, as estimates vary greatly)".
It is really funny, how you are now discrediting the source, it is always the same behavior when WP:JDLI. That source is used in the Ethnic Cleansing article to "prove" [4]that Seljuk Turks ethnically cleansed Greeks. Are you now going to say the same things there and remove it, I don't think so. Besides you did not have to critisize the source, because more sources describe the massacre of Levounion. It is more detailed in its own article Battle of Levounion.
All these massacres happened in the area of modern Turkey, they are relevant why should it be removed? Lumping Ottoman massacres in the area of modern Turkey together with Modern Turkey is not necessary, than we should better create List of Massacres in the Ottoman Empire. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 18:50, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Also I do not understand why you are insisting on adding a massacre in Bulgaria(different country) in the List of Massacres in Turkey article? And for some reason you are in this case not critical to the source at all. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 18:52, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Now you know about Ethnic Cleansing, are you going to remove the source in the ethnic cleansing article too? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I did not accuse you of editing there, I wrote that the source you criticise is used in the Ethnic Cleansing article to prove(!) an ethnic cleansing(!), now if you were an honest person, you would remove it from there by using the same arguments, but you are not interested(?), is this a case of WP:LIKE(?). DragonTiger23 ( talk) 20:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC) You could google search it instead of denying it instantly, here a source for Levounioun, [1] DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I never said that you edited ethnic cleansing. I informed you that the book of the Nigerian linguist (which you criticised as unreliable) is used [8] by others on the Ethnic Cleansing article to prove an ethnic cleansing. So if the source is unreliable than it also should be removed from there. I do not personally attack you I am just amazed. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 07:44, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
I am amazed again, those massacres have their own wiki articles with sources so instead of calling them unreliable you could read them. The Nigerian linguist source was first used on the Ethnic Cleansing article, nobody called it unreliable then, but when I used the same source to add info about a massacre here, you anounced it was unreliable. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 21:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Please no WP:JDLI DragonTiger23 ( talk) 09:02, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
April Uprising is in Bulgaria, all the other massacres of the Ottoman Empire are in their relevant countries articles, check the article, list of massacres in Greece, in Ottoman syria and so on. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Maybe that is better, what do other users think? DragonTiger23 ( talk) 20:38, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I strongly oppose such a decision, remember this is a list and it has the space to list every event seperate. I find this yet another attempt to deny, censor or minimise the sufferings of Turkish/Muslim people of the Ottoman Empire/Turkish republic. This is a list of massacres not total war casualties, so instead of collective numbers of the Armenian/Greek genocide we should list the seperate massacres in these events.
Besides the Republic of Turkey can be the successor of the Ottomans yet they are still very different, there are some authors who argue that the Ottomans were a successor state to the Byzantine Empire. So it was wrong to censor Byzantine massacres and remove it from here. While no one here has ever denied the sufferings of Christians/Greeks or Armenians I found it very sad that people who accuse Turks of that behavior show it themselves. Besides the listed events are not that long either. If you insist on censoring Turkish suffering I will take it to admin level. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 08:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
All events that I added are sourced, why are you still adding dubious, remember WP:JDLI but nobody has ever criticised what you added. See [ [12]]. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 09:50, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
How strange, you used a snippet source here to prove ethnic cleansing [13]. The burning of Turkish cities by retreating Greek troops is documented in numerous Western/Greek and Turkish sources, they were deliberate and accompanied by massacres and rape, the number of 200 killed is given by that source. There is no question that the city was burned and local population killed but still you are adding dubious and full citations to sourced content. So please avoid WP:JDLI. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 09:59, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no harm in adding more sourced reliable information about massacres to the list, censorship because of WP:JDLI is wrong. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 11:31, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
This is not demographically possible according to the Ottoman population census. Those show the total Armenian population of Erzurum city and the province to have grown till 1914. They give 108k Armenian in 1893 and 135k in 1914. If there were 60k killed than that would mean that the Armenian population of the entire Erzurum Vilayet(Province) in 1894 was 168k and the loss would be 36% for the entire Vilayet. According to Ottoman sources the district (Kaza) of Erzurum city had 11k Armenians in 1882. [1] There still was an Armenian population in 1915 which was deported. Can someone check the source critically. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:28, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
However the Ottoman census gives the Armenian population in Erzurum province as 116k in 1906, if these were the surviving 10% than the pre-massacre Armenian population of Erzurum should be 1,16 million and the death toll 1 million. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 19:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Your argument makes no sense, have you even read what I wrote? If the Ottoman census is wrong then there should be 1 million Armenians killed in Erzerum province alone in 1895. So instead of repeating your dogma ("Ottomans not reliable") please do a little bit thinking and research. Do not instantly accept the wildest numbers only because you wp:like it. We have to be neutral.
Furthermore Ottoman census are reliable, all other western sources and estimates are based upon them. The Ottomans were the only ones to have the means to count their own population. However there is some minor under counting of children and women. But generally they are reliable. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 08:24, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Vital Cuinet, French geographer, gives 134,967 Armenians for Erzurum Vilayet in 1896. Source: "La Turquie d'Asie; géographie administrative, statistique" If this was the surviving 10% Armenian population then the casualties of 1894 would be 135k x 10 - 135k = 1,215 million killed. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 11:40, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The source seems to be quite tenuous. The accusation made by Kamil Tekin Sürek, a murder witness and lawyer, does not appear to have any real evidence. I see no mention of the Grey Wolves in the source either. Is there any other source for this? As it stands right now, that entry and the corresponding source are not enough under reliable sourcing guidelines. -- Kansas Bear ( talk) 03:52, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
It appears that a number of recent edit are pushing a specific pro-Turkish pov, although not a single additional source is presented so far, to justify some of the manipulation of sourced date. To sum up:
In case no real arguments are presented with reliable data to support the above adjustments, it can be easy concluded that this is nothing more than manipulation of sourced content and the previous version (on the above mentioned occasions) should be restored. Alexikoua ( talk) 17:23, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
The Greco-Turkish War section was subject to a massive wave of additions, most of them were poorly sourced (either poor citationss without author, url or using pov sources such as the Ataturk foundation) or the specific sources were cherry picked. Alexikoua ( talk) 20:06, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
It appears that this piece of info can't be confirmed by any detailed report. In fact the total number of Muslims in the wider Aidin_Vilayet (i.e. the wider region of western Anatolia) were 1,119,000, according to the pro-Turkish Ottoman statistics. This means slighlty more victims than the total number...
On the contrary the specific information is rejected by several schoolar, who point out that the Turkish (Muslim according to Ottoman millet system) victims during the Greek-Turkish War were possibly "more the 15,000" [ [23]][ [24]]. Alexikoua ( talk) 13:43, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
This is isn't the article to discuss this issue, nor is it possible to do so given the article format. This issue is simply too complicated to be discussed in a series of table footnotes. I am removing all footnotes. Athenean ( talk) 07:19, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, the purported ethnic cleansing of "millions" of Muslims from the Balkans and Caucausus took place...in the Balkans and Caucasus, not Turkey. As the article shows, in the period 1821-1918, all the massacres in turkey was carried out by Muslims/Turks. All the incidents in the first two tables refer to massacres where the victims were Christian, there is not one massacre of Turks. Hence, including in the footnotes McCarthy's claim of the ethnic cleansing of millions of Muslims is even more off-topic, and even more tendentious. Athenean ( talk) 07:36, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
If this article is going to list massacres in modern Turkey's borders, then it doesn't make sense to include events before 1923. The article is a POV fork at the moment. I am not even talking about frivolous excuse Athenean came up with to remove notes. Cavann ( talk) 16:05, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't think you understand what a content fork is. What article is this a fork of. The pseudo-issue you mention can be simply addressed by modifying the first sentence of the article to "This is a list of massacres that have occurred on the territory of modern-day Turkey". By the way, I remember you saying that the article contained massacres that had occurred outside of the territory of modern-day Turkey and that you would remove them. Well? Did you find any? Athenean ( talk) 19:36, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
@Cavann: There is no way one can calculate the number of Armenian killed within Turkey's current borders. Historians can't even agree on the overall number of the genocide victims. -- Երևանցի talk 20:02, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Justin McCarthy (American historian) is a known Armenian genocide denier. I don't know how someone like him can be considered reliable. Why don't we quote Samuel Weems too? -- Երևանցի talk 19:06, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Bernard Lewis has been accused of "denialism" in the matter as well. I'd love to see you fellas blacklist him from Wikipedia as a fringe nutcase. :) -- Mttll ( talk) 22:14, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
The only source given for this is by Uğur Ümit Üngör. No problem here, he seems to be a reliable author. The problem is that online version of his book doesn't say where exactly the massacres took place and when they took place.
I'm happy to report I've fixed most of the persitent problems this article has been having, including putting all the post World War deaths together instead of in single regions, which made it unreadably wrong. I've also removed the so called massacres without any sources that vandals have continued to put up. In addition, I have removed everything that isn't called a massacre and has no reason being here. This article had heavily lost its objective and became a gallery for small events with few credibility, usually made up by propagandists. This is not a gallery, only events that are massacres go here. For example, neither the Boston Marathon bombings or 2013 Los Angeles International Airport shooting go on List of massacres in the United States. HouseOfArtaxiad ( talk) 16:21, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Turkey had done a good job covering all of its atrocities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.180.20.251 ( talk) 14:44, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Article is not neutral its one sided and mostly anti-Turkish. Has very few massacres comitted on Turks. Incorrectly lists the total death toll of wars as massacre. Uses inflated numbers. Should be improved and problems fixed. Till then adding pov tag. DragonTiger23 ( talk) 10:54, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Those events described here the Ottoman Empire, has experienced some period of the Republic of Turkey. Political currents in these incidents, terrorist groups, insurgents have a great influence.
The events that a lot of riots and massacres took place in the country's history are the facts. Here defame Turkey to humiliate think much exaggerated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.178.59.85 ( talk) 00:21, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to add Mongol invasions of Anatolia, during which a lot of massacres are known to be carried out, but I could not find any figures. If someone can find any information, it can be added under a new section "Sultanate of Rum". And perhaps Timur's invasion as well, if any figures are found.-- Cfsenel ( talk) 06:18, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit which attempted to connect this historical article with the subject of serial killers, on the basis of that set of individuals being also known as "mass murderers." Sorry, Dude, but mass murder by one group committed on another group does not follow the paradigm of one serial killer sequentially killing people, generally one or two at a time, and the connection is sick and in bad taste.-- Quisqualis ( talk) 08:09, 3 January 2017 (UTC)
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A tag has been placed on List of massacres in Turkey requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:
many so-called massacres have no sources, Turkey didnt exist before 1923 and thus %99 of massacres listed in this article couldn't have been committed in Turkey and this article is overall a huge mess
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A tag has been placed on List of massacres in Turkey requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done for the following reason:
many so-called massacres have no sources, Turkey didnt exist before 1923 and thus %99 of massacres listed in this article couldn't have been committed in Turkey and this article is overall a huge mess
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I've seen that the page is filled with bombings of any kind. They can go into a Category about terrorist attacks, but this is an article about massacres. Like an enormous amount of force of strength attacking an unprepared minority. The Hamidian massacres are given as an example at the Massacre page. I'd like to take the bombings out of this article if no one opposes reasonably. Paradise Chronicle ( talk) 10:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
As the Republic of Turkey is only a century old, I propose retaining this article for the massacres of the last 100 years and moving the others into List of massacres of the Ottoman Empire etc.
"It is the second most publicised case of genocide after the Holocaust." Should we presume this should read "It is the most publicised case of genocide after the Holocaust" or, "It is the second most publicised case of genocide, after the Holocaust."? -- 2607:FEA8:D5DF:1AF0:DBD:BB97:BC27:B922 ( talk) 12:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
When quickly checking the historical perspectives of similar pages, I couldn't find such a large historical time frame in any list of massacre list. These massacres could be listed as 'Massacres in Anatolia,' not as 'Turkey.' In this way, Turkey seems like the world's oldest and only country up until the 13th century which we all can imagine only reflects some sort of hostility and childish stupidity. This page appears to be prepared with defamation and negative propaganda purposes. I request a quick edit; otherwise, I will take the issue to the relevant administrators, demanding the removal of the editors who prepared/initiated this page from the platform. What you are doing goes against the rules of the platform. And this platform is not your child`s play. 2003:D4:772B:82FD:853C:C32C:C3EF:F457 ( talk) 22:48, 30 November 2023 (UTC)