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Describing the Glencoe massacre as "part of the Jacobite risings" strikes me as unfaithful to the historical reality. It did indeed occur in the aftermath of those risings; its perpetrators did indeed draw their excuse (contrary to law) from the risings. It remains that it was part of a general conflict in Scotland (of which the Jacobite risings can indeed be considered a part) between the lowland authorities (of the cities) and the highland clans.
The Jacobite uprising was over well before the massacre happened, the relevant chief had properly obtained his pardon and the residents of Glencoe justly expected to be free of any taint from the uprising. Those who conspired to perpetrate the massacre knew all this and wilfully constructed an excuse to perpetrate an atrocity that flew in the face of justice. They did so as part of a wider conflict – pre-dating the Jacobite risings and lasting until well after the corruptly procured Act of Union – and it would be better to characterise it in terms that separate it from the uprising it used as pretext.
I suggest "In the aftermath of the Jacobite Risings" as a more historically factual characterisation. Eddy, 84.215.6.188 ( talk) 20:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
As this is a List of massacres in the United Kingdom by definition anything prior to the formation of the United Kingdom cannot be included. Jim Sweeney ( talk) 23:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
What's the objection? See above.-- Flexdream ( talk) 22:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a bunch of entries not commonly considered massacres, the blitzes, serial killers and terrorist bombings, please come here to build consensus or put them back in with a source. Also, I would like to get a consensus on whether or not the Omagh bombing is considered a massacre, I personally think it is and will put it back in if there is no feedback on the issue. - 86.42.253.252 ( talk) 23:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
This seems a very arbitrary grouping, seeing as the current UK boundaries aren't even a century old. Wouldn't it make more sense to lose those before '22, or else exclude the Irish ones? Gob Lofa ( talk) 12:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The standard on other lists of this nature is to require reliable sources which commonly refer to the event as a massacre. As this does not apply in most cases, I'm going to remove several entries which are not "commonly called massacre" (as the list inclusion asks for.) Valenciano ( talk) 11:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Suggest a minimum of say 20 or 30 deaths to count as a massacre. ---- Ehrenkater ( talk) 19:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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In the injuries and deaths column I noticed that some incidents list say 11 injured and 12 killed. That is obviously impossible unless one person died of heart attack, but that would still probably constitute an injury.
This article appears to be inconsistent with the rest of Wikipedia. The article is included in the category 'Lists of massacres by country', though Great Britain isn't a country. It is also included in three UK lists, which is OK, considering Great Britain is part of the United Kingdom. However, it leads to confusion when considering that not all of the island of Ireland is a part of the UK: this article is in the category 'Lists of disasters in the United Kingdom', for example. Is the equivalent article 'List of massacres in Ireland' also included in that category? It would be wrong to do so, as the Republic of Ireland is no longer part of the UK. However, Northern Ireland is indeed a part of the UK, so it should be included in that category for that reason. It's more confusing than it should be.
The solution is to treat this article the same as those of the countries listed for similar articles: rename it to List of massacres in the United Kingdom.
All massacres in the territory of the UK as it currently exists, should be included in the article. This is how it is done in other articles (see Italy, Greece, Germany etc and, for a slight variation, Russia).
This would mean that all massacres that have taken place in the two islands, all would be listed up until 1922. After that, any massacres perpetrated in the Republic of Ireland would be excluded, obviously, as that territory became another country at that point.
Alternatively, following the example set by the Russia and USSR articles, list everything from the creation of the unions either in 1707 or 1801 and create other articles per kingdom prior to that time. -- 2A00:23C4:581:A700:CDCC:8A27:9182:F42C ( talk) 19:51, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
In 1761, (May or June IIRR), around 50 people were shot dead and over 300 injured when militia open fire into a crowd of protesters in Hexham, Northumberland. I've never edited Wikipedia before, so I'd like to ask the more experienced people here if you think this would make an appropriate addition to the list? 157.97.95.198 ( talk) 02:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated List of massacres in the United Kingdom and List of massacres in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, both of which currently redirect here, for discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 12#List of massacres in the United Kingdom. Please leave your comments there to keep discussion in one place. Thryduulf ( talk) 05:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The White House Farm shootings, committed on the night of the 6th./7th. August 1985, was technically a firearms massacre: five killed. Jeremy Bamber was convicted of five murders in October 1986 at Chelmsford Crown Court. That could be added to the list.
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Describing the Glencoe massacre as "part of the Jacobite risings" strikes me as unfaithful to the historical reality. It did indeed occur in the aftermath of those risings; its perpetrators did indeed draw their excuse (contrary to law) from the risings. It remains that it was part of a general conflict in Scotland (of which the Jacobite risings can indeed be considered a part) between the lowland authorities (of the cities) and the highland clans.
The Jacobite uprising was over well before the massacre happened, the relevant chief had properly obtained his pardon and the residents of Glencoe justly expected to be free of any taint from the uprising. Those who conspired to perpetrate the massacre knew all this and wilfully constructed an excuse to perpetrate an atrocity that flew in the face of justice. They did so as part of a wider conflict – pre-dating the Jacobite risings and lasting until well after the corruptly procured Act of Union – and it would be better to characterise it in terms that separate it from the uprising it used as pretext.
I suggest "In the aftermath of the Jacobite Risings" as a more historically factual characterisation. Eddy, 84.215.6.188 ( talk) 20:02, 6 August 2011 (UTC)
As this is a List of massacres in the United Kingdom by definition anything prior to the formation of the United Kingdom cannot be included. Jim Sweeney ( talk) 23:08, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
What's the objection? See above.-- Flexdream ( talk) 22:46, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
I deleted a bunch of entries not commonly considered massacres, the blitzes, serial killers and terrorist bombings, please come here to build consensus or put them back in with a source. Also, I would like to get a consensus on whether or not the Omagh bombing is considered a massacre, I personally think it is and will put it back in if there is no feedback on the issue. - 86.42.253.252 ( talk) 23:28, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
This seems a very arbitrary grouping, seeing as the current UK boundaries aren't even a century old. Wouldn't it make more sense to lose those before '22, or else exclude the Irish ones? Gob Lofa ( talk) 12:40, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
The standard on other lists of this nature is to require reliable sources which commonly refer to the event as a massacre. As this does not apply in most cases, I'm going to remove several entries which are not "commonly called massacre" (as the list inclusion asks for.) Valenciano ( talk) 11:02, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
Suggest a minimum of say 20 or 30 deaths to count as a massacre. ---- Ehrenkater ( talk) 19:22, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
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In the injuries and deaths column I noticed that some incidents list say 11 injured and 12 killed. That is obviously impossible unless one person died of heart attack, but that would still probably constitute an injury.
This article appears to be inconsistent with the rest of Wikipedia. The article is included in the category 'Lists of massacres by country', though Great Britain isn't a country. It is also included in three UK lists, which is OK, considering Great Britain is part of the United Kingdom. However, it leads to confusion when considering that not all of the island of Ireland is a part of the UK: this article is in the category 'Lists of disasters in the United Kingdom', for example. Is the equivalent article 'List of massacres in Ireland' also included in that category? It would be wrong to do so, as the Republic of Ireland is no longer part of the UK. However, Northern Ireland is indeed a part of the UK, so it should be included in that category for that reason. It's more confusing than it should be.
The solution is to treat this article the same as those of the countries listed for similar articles: rename it to List of massacres in the United Kingdom.
All massacres in the territory of the UK as it currently exists, should be included in the article. This is how it is done in other articles (see Italy, Greece, Germany etc and, for a slight variation, Russia).
This would mean that all massacres that have taken place in the two islands, all would be listed up until 1922. After that, any massacres perpetrated in the Republic of Ireland would be excluded, obviously, as that territory became another country at that point.
Alternatively, following the example set by the Russia and USSR articles, list everything from the creation of the unions either in 1707 or 1801 and create other articles per kingdom prior to that time. -- 2A00:23C4:581:A700:CDCC:8A27:9182:F42C ( talk) 19:51, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
In 1761, (May or June IIRR), around 50 people were shot dead and over 300 injured when militia open fire into a crowd of protesters in Hexham, Northumberland. I've never edited Wikipedia before, so I'd like to ask the more experienced people here if you think this would make an appropriate addition to the list? 157.97.95.198 ( talk) 02:50, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
I have nominated List of massacres in the United Kingdom and List of massacres in Great Britain and Northern Ireland, both of which currently redirect here, for discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 March 12#List of massacres in the United Kingdom. Please leave your comments there to keep discussion in one place. Thryduulf ( talk) 05:19, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
The White House Farm shootings, committed on the night of the 6th./7th. August 1985, was technically a firearms massacre: five killed. Jeremy Bamber was convicted of five murders in October 1986 at Chelmsford Crown Court. That could be added to the list.