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Is there any kind of consensus on whether article titles should use lighthouse, or just light? The Coast Guard uses light in their lists. I ask because I started Carysfort Reef Light and someone immediately moved it to Carysfort Reef Lighthouse. As I plan to create articles for all of the lights/lighthouses in Florida that don't already have one, I want to be consistent in naming. -- Dalbury( Talk) 14:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I would suggest using whatever the official name is by the organization that monitors and controls them... in this case "Light" for all USCG controlled lights. It's the official designation and the proper name for almost all USCG controlled lights. Plus "Light" gets on average 8x the Google hits then "lighthouse" when used as the search perameter on a lighthouse name. Also it can be argued that "Light" is proper in many cases such as
Portland Head Light as the full proper noun is Portland Head Light or Portland Head Lighthouse... in either case it should be capitalized which for proper nouns is inline w/ WP:MOS. Other examples of similar structures would be
Empire State Building and
Golden Gate Bridge. Note that the generic term at the end is capitalized as part of the structure's proper name.
Gateman1997 01:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Just a further addition here the US Park Service which owns and controls many of the plots of land these lighthouses sit on also refers to them by their full proper noun names http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/light/me.htm. Gateman1997 01:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
(reduce indent) Lights and lighthouses are not specifically mentioned. I used WP:STYLE pages in several places, including Wikipedia:Naming_conflict#Ambiguity_persists and WP:NAME. I apologise if my earlier post was unclear. I can post more references in the WP MoS series if you are interested. KillerChihuahua ?!? 14:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
(reduce indent) Done except for FL and NC, and final QC. Waiting on Dal's input for FL, should be able to finish NC today or tomorrow - there are a lot of bluelinks. KillerChihuahua ?!? 16:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
This is VERY inconsistent - If this is true, then why is this article referred to as "Lighthouses" rather than "Lights" I am objecting after Montauk Point Lighthouse was changed to Montuak Point Light. The USGS topo map (and therefore the official USGS name refers to it as "Lighthouse." Further most articles still point to the lighthouse designation which is the most common usage. Lights can mean lots of different things. Lighthouses are very clear. Americasroof ( talk) 18:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The United States Geologic Survey sets official names for places. They call it an island that is ten feet above sea level called Sombrero Key. They have no entry for a Marathon Key, so I am not sure where the National Park Service got that name (which is where the "Sombrero Key Light, Near Marathon Key, Florida" originates). Stating it explains why the light is called Sombrero Key Light, not something Reef Light. Also Marathon, Florida seems to be the nearest town, not Key Vaca. Rmhermen 05:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the information is correct on the cockspur lighthouse. It is in Chatham County Georgia and I drive by it every day. I don't know much about it but I could provide the few details I can roust. Any opposers? JohnCub 21:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on my first real wiki article, Cockspur Island Lighthouse and would love some input, comments, suggestions, critiques, what have you. I tried to mimic a lot of what I saw on other lighthouse pages but the truth is I know almost nothing about lighthouses. I just happened to have one near me that needed wiki'd. If all goes well I'll be working on the Tybee Island Lighthouse soon. JohnCub 00:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Is there any objection to me resorting the Wisconsin section to match the sorting on User:Dual_Freq/Lighthouses_in_Wisconsin. Note, that the list on that page is only links without pages or stubs and I've added some extra bits for some. I would like to sort the list into a couple sections, Lake Michigan / Lake Superior / Lake Winebago for the main section and subsections with sub subsections for Door County and Apostle Islands. I'd also like to use the pound (#) sign to number the Wisconsin list instead of bullet points. Let me know if there are any objections, otherwise I will implement this sorting at some point in the future. -- Dual Freq 18:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of merging the List of tallest lighthouses in the United States to this page - it's a tiny page and it makes sense to me to expand this page rather than keep that one around. I'd like to add a section to this page for Interesting Facts about US Lighthouses or something, incorporate the list of tallest, and also include the faqs found here: [8].
If I do this, I think I should move the list of states under a Lighthouses by State level 2 heading to make the contents more navigable.
Sound good? RainbowCrane 03:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Per the Manual of Style on links, an article may be considered overlinked if ... more than 10% of the links are to articles that don't exist. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I intend to start unlinking non-existent articles in this list. -- Donald Albury( Talk) 11:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Creating articles where there are now red links is the goal of the lighthouses WikiProject. Please continue to create those articles! -- Draugen 05:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I have created several articles but it is slow going. --- Skapur 20:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I think putting a link to the USCG list at the top of each state is ugly. In the case of Florida, it was also completely unnecessary, as every light station on the USCG list already has an article and is listed here. If you want the USCG list as a guide to what needs to be added, at least hide it. Better yet, go ahead and add all the lights from the list to each state. -- Donald Albury 13:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Every lighthouse in Washington State and Alaska also has an article. USCG list is completely unnecessary and ugly. California also has every lighthouse listed but not an article for every lighthouse (that will be changed soon, hopefully) -- Digon3 17:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the removal of the Statue of Liberty from NY lighthouses. See http://www.lighthousefriends.com/pull-state.asp?state=NY&Submit=Go , http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/harbor.htm , http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ny.htm which all include them in a list of NY lighthouses. Apparently it was maintained by the US Lighthouse service in the later part of the nineteenth century and had a lighthouse keeper and a light that could be seen for 24 miles. --- Skapur 17:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Can some please start these, I am having trouble starting articles on them:
Santa Cruz was destroyed and Mark Abbott Memorial Light was built in its place in memorial for a surfer who died.
I have started the rest in CA, Thanks-- Digon3 16:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I added the Florida Lights with the information from the Inventory of Historic Light Stations. Is it too much information for the list, badly formatted, just ugly? Looking for feedback, before I do any other states. Rmhermen 17:52, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
I've added Triton Light to the Maryland section. It's not on the USCG's list, but it seems to be a Maryland lighthouse indeed... So is the USCG list incomplete, or is my addition mistaken? -- zenohockey 01:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
P.S for your article, can you please provide the infobox, its the format we are trying to use here. Thank you -- Digon3
What is the exact definition of a lighthouse?? Definition of lightbeacon?? Wheres the line? Triton Light is pretty obvious, but some other are not. As for Hawaii, I hadn't looked at the descriptions yet, so I didnt know some were lightbeacons, now I do :) Digon3 16:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Lots of lighthouses make that claim (Google it). How could this be verified? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.235.78.109 ( talk) 15:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC). Marsh 15:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that it would make sense to sort according to active/inactive/demolished, seeing as how in Maryland (for instance) probably half fall into the last group and less than a quarter fall into the first. Mangoe 16:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone explain why the list in the article and the USCG list are almost entirely disjoint? Mangoe ( talk) 19:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
List of lighthouses and interactive map for entire U.S.A. Check it out. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 19:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
Per discussion on the "list of tallest" article, I would like to consider turning the bulk of this article into a sortable table. I would suggest the following columns:
Discussion please? Mangoe ( talk) 19:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Per the logic in the above discussion that we should unilaterally name all lightships, light beacons and lighthouses in the United States to "lights" totally ignoring local usage. Then this article should be renamed "Lights in the United States." Americasroof ( talk) 12:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed ( Americasroof comment above, although i don't see the prior discussion about an effort to "name all lightships, light beacons and lighthouses in the United States to 'lights' totally ignoring local usage", which would indeed be a concern. I do note that the naming of lighthouses in this list looks bizarre to me, i cannot believe that the common name for all the lighthouses would be so consistent. It strikes me that the list becomes Original Research, if it reflects an naming convention that is the outcome of a decision by wikipedians to impose an "orderly" or otherwise desirable naming system that is not used in practice.
Perhaps it could be helpful to note, however, that if there does exist a list of lighthouses put out by some entity, it can be okay to use that one source's set of names for list-article like this, with appropriate sourcing. What is displayed in this list can be the names from that source, but the wikilinks can go to the actual articles that can retain their local, current, common names.
I speak from having worked on many list-articles of places listed on the National Register of Historic Places, and on many list-articles of National Historic Landmarks (for example List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles and List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina). As a general principle, in these lists we use the NRHP program name for sites in the NRHP lists, and we use the NHL program name (which may differ) for sites in the NHL lists. Hope this is helpful. doncram ( talk) 15:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
As suggested above, here are the results of Google searches for possible names for the Montauk Point facility, first for the groups of search terms and then for the phrases in quotes.
Here are a few results from searches of the news archive.
This is a very clear indication to me that Montauk Point Lighthouse is the most common usage. Unlike the Point Reyes Lighthouse v. Point Reyes Light test, where the latter name gets many exta hits from the newspaper of that name. Montalk is not even close. -- Hjal ( talk) 04:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
For some reason, the Elbow of Cross Ledge Light was not copied in from the USCG list. I have also added an entry for the Cross Ledge Light, which for some other reason the USCG doesn't list. Its remains show up on charts, though, and lighthousefriends has a article it. Mangoe ( talk) 23:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
It is unclear where the list for Hawaii was derived. For now, I have commented out those that are not on the USCG page. I have also altered the spelling to match that page. Mangoe ( talk) 02:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The Coast Guard history site http://www.uscg.mil/history/weblighthouses/LHny.asp shows Romer Shoal in New York, which is probably why it ended up in this list in New York. However, the National Register of Historic Places puts it in New Jersey, so I checked it out. NOAA charts don't show state boundaries, so I looked at the USGS topo quad, which does. The light is in New Jersey by about 500 feet, hence the change here. Since it's a redlink now, it doesn't matter much, but perhaps when it becomes an article, it should be shown in this list in both states? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
User:PGPirate has created List of lighthouses in North Carolina, which is a tabular presentation of some basic info with images. It's not bad. The problem is that it completely obviates the North Carolina section of List of lighthouses in the United States, where he has linked to the new list as well as leaving the present list in place.
I see the following points in dealing with this:
If we go through with this, I'll make the Maryland and Virginia articles since I wrote most of them. Mangoe ( talk) 12:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
. . Jim - Jameslwoodward ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
There are increasing numbers of entries in the lists for structures that are not and never were and never will be actual navigational aids (e.g. everything listed for Arizona and Nebraska). I'm inclined to either remove these or otherwise segregate them. Mangoe ( talk) 19:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I've come across the fact that there are lighthouses (generally inactive) on at least four US Minor Islands. Do we want to include them? It's going to be hard to come up with real articles on any of them, as far as I can tell. Mangoe ( talk) 21:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean, here
as the Coast Guard has had lights outside the US proper, see:
and
Since there aren't very many of them, I would add them all, including Puerto Rico, to this list. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward ( talk to me • contribs) 15:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I live less than 45 minutes from the Sabine Pass Lighthouse that is NOT the Sabine Bank light, nor the Sabine Light as it has now has been reverted back to. Someone changed the Sabine Pass Lighthouse article title supposedly to reflect some "convention" agreement and I hope it will be common knowledge that this will not win out
This keeps being removed because it isn't an AtoN (presumably an aid to navigation). But this is not listed as a requirement of this list. The lead doesn't even mention the term, much less restrict the list in any manner. Rmhermen ( talk) 02:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Now that the only entry has been identified it's clear that it's a decorative light and not even remotely an aid to navigation. Therefore I've removed the state section. Mangoe ( talk) 18:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I commend User:Knowledgekid87 for beginning to table-ize this list-article. It's great to bring in photos and years constructed and more information; this is an obvious improvement. I wonder if the table format should be refined, though. Knowledgekid87, can you please comment on alternatives that you might be thinking of, for columns to be included and for colors? I hope others might make suggestions, also.
For example, I find the use of reddish color of entire rows, being used to indicate which lighthouses no longer exist, to be overwhelming however. It seems to elevate the importance of the no-longer-extant lighthouses above all others. Could the fact be indicated more mildly? Perhaps light gray shading of just the first cell in the row, for example? Gray is funeral-like, and for that reason was settled upon by the NRHP Wikiproject to indicate delisted status, i.e. formerly listed status, of properties (which usually had been demolished) in comparable lists of places listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Shading the entire row seems more than is necessary, too.
What about having a description or notes column? The facts of whether or when a lighthouse was demolished could be mentioned there.
For comparison (though not saying these are perfect):
But unless better specific alternative achieves some support here, I do support Knowledgekid87's proceeding with the tabulation in the current format. Refinements of the table can easily be done later, and the most difficult work is the initial tabulation. Keep up the good work! -- do ncr am 17:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I was thinking that if the table looks too big afterwards they can always be divided back into states. @ Mangoe: I know you were not warm to the idea but please at least give it a chance. The information is all going to be the same as it was before order-wise just in table format that is sortable. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 13:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Developing this by region, and including (duplicative) tables for states that have separated-out articles (even some Featured Article ones I gather, from mention of "FA" somewhere here? or are they Featured Lists?) is growing on me. One big advantage of regional grouping is that the linked {{ GeoGroup}} OSM/Google/Bing maps will show all of the lighthouses in the region, rather than just the ones in states not-yet-separated out. And if there is going to be duplication, then it also okay for the columns of this list-article (and its split-out regions) to be different than the columns in the separate state list-articles, and different from the columns in the List of tallest lighthouses in the United States.
I like the good start made on grouping states by region: New England, Mid-Atlantic, Mid-West, Pacific, South, Territories. But from the perspective of ships needing lighthouses to navigate in regions, and from the perspective of some sources (e.g. books with titles like "Lighthouses of the Great Lakes"), would the regions be better refined to focus on main bodies of water served, plus inland from them? So it could perhaps be:
Note this would split some states, including NY and PA which have lighthouses on Lake Erie and lighthouses on the Atlantic Ocean or waterways inland. Again I am glad to see this being developed any which way, and developing tables by state first can be a good way forward....again it is relatively easy to divide out developed material later (like splitting out NY and PA rows for lighthouses on Lake Erie). -- do ncr am 18:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
How about broaden this to be List of lighthouses in the United States and Canada, broken out naturally into regional lists by (hydrographic regions? hydrological regions? ) watersheds:
I kinda think it would be good to merge List of lighthouses in Canada with this list, and to combine the corresponding regions, as it would properly ignore political boundaries and follow Nature instead. Mexico is sufficiently separate that I would leave it alone. But U.S. and Canada overlap in multiple natural regions Pacific coast, Atlantic coast, St. Lawrence River and Great Lakes, and possibly Arctic Ocean. It also would not bother me if the region articles had disparate names, as long as they were well-defined natural regions. It is not necessary for the titles to describe everything: an Atlantic seaboard lighthouses article can be explained in its lede to cover lighthouses on inland bays and rivers (like the lighthouse in Philadelphia on the Delaware River(?), and Chesapeake Bay, etc.). It is not necessary for the title to convey that one U.S. lighthouse in Cuba (not a U.S. territory) is included along with PR territory and VI territory ones in a "List of lighthouses in the U.S. territories of the Caribbean". To merge would require broader discussion in an RFC, and could be done later. But what do editors here think? -- do ncr am 21:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm happy to see User:Bubba73 table-zing the Georgia section in the article. I was going to add to what they did, didn't realize they were still editing. -- do ncr am 18:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
"Map all coordinates using OSM" seems to show all of them, but "Map all coordinates using Google" doesn't show Georgia. Why? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:29, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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I've noticed this section gives precedence to when a lighthouse was first created in an area rather than the actual age of the currently existing structure. This is misleading to blatantly inaccurate. I'll added the actual date of these structures so people don't get a false perception that these structures are far older than they actually are.
In the future, maybe there should be a separate section of the first light in an area versus the current light's actual age.
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Is there any kind of consensus on whether article titles should use lighthouse, or just light? The Coast Guard uses light in their lists. I ask because I started Carysfort Reef Light and someone immediately moved it to Carysfort Reef Lighthouse. As I plan to create articles for all of the lights/lighthouses in Florida that don't already have one, I want to be consistent in naming. -- Dalbury( Talk) 14:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
I would suggest using whatever the official name is by the organization that monitors and controls them... in this case "Light" for all USCG controlled lights. It's the official designation and the proper name for almost all USCG controlled lights. Plus "Light" gets on average 8x the Google hits then "lighthouse" when used as the search perameter on a lighthouse name. Also it can be argued that "Light" is proper in many cases such as
Portland Head Light as the full proper noun is Portland Head Light or Portland Head Lighthouse... in either case it should be capitalized which for proper nouns is inline w/ WP:MOS. Other examples of similar structures would be
Empire State Building and
Golden Gate Bridge. Note that the generic term at the end is capitalized as part of the structure's proper name.
Gateman1997 01:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Just a further addition here the US Park Service which owns and controls many of the plots of land these lighthouses sit on also refers to them by their full proper noun names http://www.cr.nps.gov/maritime/light/me.htm. Gateman1997 01:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
(reduce indent) Lights and lighthouses are not specifically mentioned. I used WP:STYLE pages in several places, including Wikipedia:Naming_conflict#Ambiguity_persists and WP:NAME. I apologise if my earlier post was unclear. I can post more references in the WP MoS series if you are interested. KillerChihuahua ?!? 14:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
(reduce indent) Done except for FL and NC, and final QC. Waiting on Dal's input for FL, should be able to finish NC today or tomorrow - there are a lot of bluelinks. KillerChihuahua ?!? 16:54, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
This is VERY inconsistent - If this is true, then why is this article referred to as "Lighthouses" rather than "Lights" I am objecting after Montauk Point Lighthouse was changed to Montuak Point Light. The USGS topo map (and therefore the official USGS name refers to it as "Lighthouse." Further most articles still point to the lighthouse designation which is the most common usage. Lights can mean lots of different things. Lighthouses are very clear. Americasroof ( talk) 18:52, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The United States Geologic Survey sets official names for places. They call it an island that is ten feet above sea level called Sombrero Key. They have no entry for a Marathon Key, so I am not sure where the National Park Service got that name (which is where the "Sombrero Key Light, Near Marathon Key, Florida" originates). Stating it explains why the light is called Sombrero Key Light, not something Reef Light. Also Marathon, Florida seems to be the nearest town, not Key Vaca. Rmhermen 05:05, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't think the information is correct on the cockspur lighthouse. It is in Chatham County Georgia and I drive by it every day. I don't know much about it but I could provide the few details I can roust. Any opposers? JohnCub 21:03, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I've been working on my first real wiki article, Cockspur Island Lighthouse and would love some input, comments, suggestions, critiques, what have you. I tried to mimic a lot of what I saw on other lighthouse pages but the truth is I know almost nothing about lighthouses. I just happened to have one near me that needed wiki'd. If all goes well I'll be working on the Tybee Island Lighthouse soon. JohnCub 00:00, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
Is there any objection to me resorting the Wisconsin section to match the sorting on User:Dual_Freq/Lighthouses_in_Wisconsin. Note, that the list on that page is only links without pages or stubs and I've added some extra bits for some. I would like to sort the list into a couple sections, Lake Michigan / Lake Superior / Lake Winebago for the main section and subsections with sub subsections for Door County and Apostle Islands. I'd also like to use the pound (#) sign to number the Wisconsin list instead of bullet points. Let me know if there are any objections, otherwise I will implement this sorting at some point in the future. -- Dual Freq 18:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm thinking of merging the List of tallest lighthouses in the United States to this page - it's a tiny page and it makes sense to me to expand this page rather than keep that one around. I'd like to add a section to this page for Interesting Facts about US Lighthouses or something, incorporate the list of tallest, and also include the faqs found here: [8].
If I do this, I think I should move the list of states under a Lighthouses by State level 2 heading to make the contents more navigable.
Sound good? RainbowCrane 03:12, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Per the Manual of Style on links, an article may be considered overlinked if ... more than 10% of the links are to articles that don't exist. Unless someone can convince me otherwise, I intend to start unlinking non-existent articles in this list. -- Donald Albury( Talk) 11:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
Creating articles where there are now red links is the goal of the lighthouses WikiProject. Please continue to create those articles! -- Draugen 05:05, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
I have created several articles but it is slow going. --- Skapur 20:14, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I think putting a link to the USCG list at the top of each state is ugly. In the case of Florida, it was also completely unnecessary, as every light station on the USCG list already has an article and is listed here. If you want the USCG list as a guide to what needs to be added, at least hide it. Better yet, go ahead and add all the lights from the list to each state. -- Donald Albury 13:47, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
Every lighthouse in Washington State and Alaska also has an article. USCG list is completely unnecessary and ugly. California also has every lighthouse listed but not an article for every lighthouse (that will be changed soon, hopefully) -- Digon3 17:00, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the removal of the Statue of Liberty from NY lighthouses. See http://www.lighthousefriends.com/pull-state.asp?state=NY&Submit=Go , http://www.lighthousemuseum.org/harbor.htm , http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/lighthouse/ny.htm which all include them in a list of NY lighthouses. Apparently it was maintained by the US Lighthouse service in the later part of the nineteenth century and had a lighthouse keeper and a light that could be seen for 24 miles. --- Skapur 17:10, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Can some please start these, I am having trouble starting articles on them:
Santa Cruz was destroyed and Mark Abbott Memorial Light was built in its place in memorial for a surfer who died.
I have started the rest in CA, Thanks-- Digon3 16:13, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
I added the Florida Lights with the information from the Inventory of Historic Light Stations. Is it too much information for the list, badly formatted, just ugly? Looking for feedback, before I do any other states. Rmhermen 17:52, Oct 30, 2004 (UTC)
I've added Triton Light to the Maryland section. It's not on the USCG's list, but it seems to be a Maryland lighthouse indeed... So is the USCG list incomplete, or is my addition mistaken? -- zenohockey 01:37, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
P.S for your article, can you please provide the infobox, its the format we are trying to use here. Thank you -- Digon3
What is the exact definition of a lighthouse?? Definition of lightbeacon?? Wheres the line? Triton Light is pretty obvious, but some other are not. As for Hawaii, I hadn't looked at the descriptions yet, so I didnt know some were lightbeacons, now I do :) Digon3 16:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Lots of lighthouses make that claim (Google it). How could this be verified? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.235.78.109 ( talk) 15:11, 12 December 2006 (UTC). Marsh 15:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that it would make sense to sort according to active/inactive/demolished, seeing as how in Maryland (for instance) probably half fall into the last group and less than a quarter fall into the first. Mangoe 16:52, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Could someone explain why the list in the article and the USCG list are almost entirely disjoint? Mangoe ( talk) 19:02, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
List of lighthouses and interactive map for entire U.S.A. Check it out. 7&6=thirteen ( talk) 19:56, 22 February 2008 (UTC)Stan
Per discussion on the "list of tallest" article, I would like to consider turning the bulk of this article into a sortable table. I would suggest the following columns:
Discussion please? Mangoe ( talk) 19:45, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
Per the logic in the above discussion that we should unilaterally name all lightships, light beacons and lighthouses in the United States to "lights" totally ignoring local usage. Then this article should be renamed "Lights in the United States." Americasroof ( talk) 12:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
I noticed ( Americasroof comment above, although i don't see the prior discussion about an effort to "name all lightships, light beacons and lighthouses in the United States to 'lights' totally ignoring local usage", which would indeed be a concern. I do note that the naming of lighthouses in this list looks bizarre to me, i cannot believe that the common name for all the lighthouses would be so consistent. It strikes me that the list becomes Original Research, if it reflects an naming convention that is the outcome of a decision by wikipedians to impose an "orderly" or otherwise desirable naming system that is not used in practice.
Perhaps it could be helpful to note, however, that if there does exist a list of lighthouses put out by some entity, it can be okay to use that one source's set of names for list-article like this, with appropriate sourcing. What is displayed in this list can be the names from that source, but the wikilinks can go to the actual articles that can retain their local, current, common names.
I speak from having worked on many list-articles of places listed on the National Register of Historic Places, and on many list-articles of National Historic Landmarks (for example List of Registered Historic Places in Los Angeles and List of National Historic Landmarks in South Carolina). As a general principle, in these lists we use the NRHP program name for sites in the NRHP lists, and we use the NHL program name (which may differ) for sites in the NHL lists. Hope this is helpful. doncram ( talk) 15:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
As suggested above, here are the results of Google searches for possible names for the Montauk Point facility, first for the groups of search terms and then for the phrases in quotes.
Here are a few results from searches of the news archive.
This is a very clear indication to me that Montauk Point Lighthouse is the most common usage. Unlike the Point Reyes Lighthouse v. Point Reyes Light test, where the latter name gets many exta hits from the newspaper of that name. Montalk is not even close. -- Hjal ( talk) 04:38, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
For some reason, the Elbow of Cross Ledge Light was not copied in from the USCG list. I have also added an entry for the Cross Ledge Light, which for some other reason the USCG doesn't list. Its remains show up on charts, though, and lighthousefriends has a article it. Mangoe ( talk) 23:48, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
It is unclear where the list for Hawaii was derived. For now, I have commented out those that are not on the USCG page. I have also altered the spelling to match that page. Mangoe ( talk) 02:29, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
The Coast Guard history site http://www.uscg.mil/history/weblighthouses/LHny.asp shows Romer Shoal in New York, which is probably why it ended up in this list in New York. However, the National Register of Historic Places puts it in New Jersey, so I checked it out. NOAA charts don't show state boundaries, so I looked at the USGS topo quad, which does. The light is in New Jersey by about 500 feet, hence the change here. Since it's a redlink now, it doesn't matter much, but perhaps when it becomes an article, it should be shown in this list in both states? . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward ( talk • contribs) 13:24, 16 September 2009 (UTC)
User:PGPirate has created List of lighthouses in North Carolina, which is a tabular presentation of some basic info with images. It's not bad. The problem is that it completely obviates the North Carolina section of List of lighthouses in the United States, where he has linked to the new list as well as leaving the present list in place.
I see the following points in dealing with this:
If we go through with this, I'll make the Maryland and Virginia articles since I wrote most of them. Mangoe ( talk) 12:36, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
. . Jim - Jameslwoodward ( talk • contribs) 23:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
There are increasing numbers of entries in the lists for structures that are not and never were and never will be actual navigational aids (e.g. everything listed for Arizona and Nebraska). I'm inclined to either remove these or otherwise segregate them. Mangoe ( talk) 19:09, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
I've come across the fact that there are lighthouses (generally inactive) on at least four US Minor Islands. Do we want to include them? It's going to be hard to come up with real articles on any of them, as far as I can tell. Mangoe ( talk) 21:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure what you mean, here
as the Coast Guard has had lights outside the US proper, see:
and
Since there aren't very many of them, I would add them all, including Puerto Rico, to this list. . . Jim - Jameslwoodward ( talk to me • contribs) 15:47, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
I live less than 45 minutes from the Sabine Pass Lighthouse that is NOT the Sabine Bank light, nor the Sabine Light as it has now has been reverted back to. Someone changed the Sabine Pass Lighthouse article title supposedly to reflect some "convention" agreement and I hope it will be common knowledge that this will not win out
This keeps being removed because it isn't an AtoN (presumably an aid to navigation). But this is not listed as a requirement of this list. The lead doesn't even mention the term, much less restrict the list in any manner. Rmhermen ( talk) 02:58, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Now that the only entry has been identified it's clear that it's a decorative light and not even remotely an aid to navigation. Therefore I've removed the state section. Mangoe ( talk) 18:10, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
I commend User:Knowledgekid87 for beginning to table-ize this list-article. It's great to bring in photos and years constructed and more information; this is an obvious improvement. I wonder if the table format should be refined, though. Knowledgekid87, can you please comment on alternatives that you might be thinking of, for columns to be included and for colors? I hope others might make suggestions, also.
For example, I find the use of reddish color of entire rows, being used to indicate which lighthouses no longer exist, to be overwhelming however. It seems to elevate the importance of the no-longer-extant lighthouses above all others. Could the fact be indicated more mildly? Perhaps light gray shading of just the first cell in the row, for example? Gray is funeral-like, and for that reason was settled upon by the NRHP Wikiproject to indicate delisted status, i.e. formerly listed status, of properties (which usually had been demolished) in comparable lists of places listed on the National Register of Historic Places. Shading the entire row seems more than is necessary, too.
What about having a description or notes column? The facts of whether or when a lighthouse was demolished could be mentioned there.
For comparison (though not saying these are perfect):
But unless better specific alternative achieves some support here, I do support Knowledgekid87's proceeding with the tabulation in the current format. Refinements of the table can easily be done later, and the most difficult work is the initial tabulation. Keep up the good work! -- do ncr am 17:18, 21 July 2016 (UTC)
I was thinking that if the table looks too big afterwards they can always be divided back into states. @ Mangoe: I know you were not warm to the idea but please at least give it a chance. The information is all going to be the same as it was before order-wise just in table format that is sortable. - Knowledgekid87 ( talk) 13:22, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
Developing this by region, and including (duplicative) tables for states that have separated-out articles (even some Featured Article ones I gather, from mention of "FA" somewhere here? or are they Featured Lists?) is growing on me. One big advantage of regional grouping is that the linked {{ GeoGroup}} OSM/Google/Bing maps will show all of the lighthouses in the region, rather than just the ones in states not-yet-separated out. And if there is going to be duplication, then it also okay for the columns of this list-article (and its split-out regions) to be different than the columns in the separate state list-articles, and different from the columns in the List of tallest lighthouses in the United States.
I like the good start made on grouping states by region: New England, Mid-Atlantic, Mid-West, Pacific, South, Territories. But from the perspective of ships needing lighthouses to navigate in regions, and from the perspective of some sources (e.g. books with titles like "Lighthouses of the Great Lakes"), would the regions be better refined to focus on main bodies of water served, plus inland from them? So it could perhaps be:
Note this would split some states, including NY and PA which have lighthouses on Lake Erie and lighthouses on the Atlantic Ocean or waterways inland. Again I am glad to see this being developed any which way, and developing tables by state first can be a good way forward....again it is relatively easy to divide out developed material later (like splitting out NY and PA rows for lighthouses on Lake Erie). -- do ncr am 18:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
How about broaden this to be List of lighthouses in the United States and Canada, broken out naturally into regional lists by (hydrographic regions? hydrological regions? ) watersheds:
I kinda think it would be good to merge List of lighthouses in Canada with this list, and to combine the corresponding regions, as it would properly ignore political boundaries and follow Nature instead. Mexico is sufficiently separate that I would leave it alone. But U.S. and Canada overlap in multiple natural regions Pacific coast, Atlantic coast, St. Lawrence River and Great Lakes, and possibly Arctic Ocean. It also would not bother me if the region articles had disparate names, as long as they were well-defined natural regions. It is not necessary for the titles to describe everything: an Atlantic seaboard lighthouses article can be explained in its lede to cover lighthouses on inland bays and rivers (like the lighthouse in Philadelphia on the Delaware River(?), and Chesapeake Bay, etc.). It is not necessary for the title to convey that one U.S. lighthouse in Cuba (not a U.S. territory) is included along with PR territory and VI territory ones in a "List of lighthouses in the U.S. territories of the Caribbean". To merge would require broader discussion in an RFC, and could be done later. But what do editors here think? -- do ncr am 21:21, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
I'm happy to see User:Bubba73 table-zing the Georgia section in the article. I was going to add to what they did, didn't realize they were still editing. -- do ncr am 18:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
"Map all coordinates using OSM" seems to show all of them, but "Map all coordinates using Google" doesn't show Georgia. Why? Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 21:29, 23 July 2016 (UTC)
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I've noticed this section gives precedence to when a lighthouse was first created in an area rather than the actual age of the currently existing structure. This is misleading to blatantly inaccurate. I'll added the actual date of these structures so people don't get a false perception that these structures are far older than they actually are.
In the future, maybe there should be a separate section of the first light in an area versus the current light's actual age.
The Soldier of Peace ( talk) 22:15, 6 August 2020 (UTC)