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Matthew hk thank you. At least two other editors were canvassed; we can't know how many were because of IP-hopping. That's on top of the socking/meatpuppeting. I almost wonder if we need to simply close this discussion and open one that is semi'd, inviting IPs to participate via edit request or something? I don't know.
—valereee (
talk)
00:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)reply
"... open one that is semi'd, inviting IPs to participate via edit request or something? I don't know." Whatever the case, you shouldn't take on admin role in this area of topics. You have not acted in an impartial manner from the onset. It may be more helpful and constructive if you may participate as an ordinary lay editor.
218.255.11.66 (
talk)
13:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)reply
I have zero interest in editing here. I literally
WP:DGAF about it. I wouldn't even know which way to !vote on this issue, and I'm not interested enough in the question to do any policy research to try to figure it out; if I weren't adminning here, I wouldn't be here. I literally could not be any more qualified to act as an admin here.
Have you seen Deryck C's reply to you about creating an account? His opinion is that, even in Hong Kong, it helps protect your privacy rather than the other way around. Maybe go to the HK user group he suggested and ask the folks there if they agree with him.
—valereee (
talk)
16:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)reply
"... I wouldn't even know which way to !vote on this issue, and I'm not interested enough in the question to do any policy research to try to figure it out; ..." Your actions speak louder than your words. You have all along helped him or her to fix things at his or her version, and forum-shopped. See, e.g. among others,
[1],
[2],
[3]. As 218.255.111.214 put it above, it was "red-handed".
218.255.11.66 (
talk)
14:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
, Ok, i am not sure it is offsite canvassing from lihkg or telegram group. But using VPN is a big no-no in wikipedia. It seem some ip editors is using VPN or open proxy from a company called DOMAIN FIVE ENTERPRISES LIMITED, which renting an ip range 124.217.128.0/18 from UGC (edit: HGC).
Matthew hk (
talk)
05:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Domain Five Enterprises Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of Hutchison Telecommunications Hong Kong Holdings Limited, is an authorized insurance agency in Hong Kong and registered with the Insurance Agents Registration Board (Registration No.: FA2643). Domain Five Enterprises Limited is an authorized insurance distributor of FWD Lift Insurance Company (Bermuda) Limited and FWD General Insurance Company Limited. Hutchison Telephone Company Limited provides IT and network supports to Domain Five Enterprises Limited.
The Constitution of 1982 doesn't put them together does it? Whose being delusional here? If they're part of that as much as provinces and autonomous regions do why have they got separate marine traffic administrations? What's "takeoever", btw?
43.224.235.7 (
talk)
04:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Are the party secretaries in charge of the special administrative regions at the same rank in the bureaucratic hierarchy or similarly positioned in their order of precedence as those in charge of provinces and autonomous regions?
43.224.235.7 (
talk)
04:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Are we talking about the same thing? Hong Kong is part of China since 1997 is not the equivalent of "SAR is the same level as province and the 'Autonomous' region like Tibet". According to the
Basic Law, "Except the Basic Law and the Constitution, national laws are not enforced in Hong Kong unless they are listed in Annex III and applied by local promulgation or legislation". Can you tell me which province or 'Autonomous' region in China have the same status? Any proof that the Marine Department of Hong Kong is accountable to the Marine Safety Administration of China? --
Now wiki (
talk)
06:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The islands and their lighthouses would be subject to
WP:Notability (geographic features). Also review
WP:GNG. My suggestion is to avoid issues that would raise a red flag with reviewers working in
WP:AFC and
WP:NPP, and simply follow the notability guidelines - and don't hesitate to ask questions. You are close to having justification for a spin-off list considering China recently constructed about 5 new lighthouses, so check them out for notability, and avoid adding only statistics which makes them subject to
WP:NOTDIR. Also, any lighthouses that are included need to pass GNG which is dependent on citing at least 3 high quality independent
WP:RS, excluding other stat lists. Articles about lighthouses that have historic significance (not just a simple tourist attraction) that are/were important to their respective geographic locations are a good place to start. If all the IPs who commented here (be it one person or many) would simply register an account, and actually consider what we've been explaining in an effort to help you, you may find that it will prove beneficial to your goals rather than being an obstruction to them.
Atsme💬📧17:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)reply
The above has left me wonder whether this learned Wikipedian had read what he or she was responding to, or what are in the three hyperlinks enclosed. The lighthouses concerned were built on disputed islands (note: even their status as islands is disputed as far as international maritime/hydrographic law is concerned) in the South China Sea controlled by Chung-nan-hai. They certainly aren't "tourist attractions" (no civilians may reach them anyway), nor would they have any historical significance for the time being given that they were only recently built. But they are certainly notable given their importance to geopolitics of the broader region. The question was that whether these lighthouses should be considered "lighthouses in China" and covered by the umbrella of this list, thereby justifying their inclusion here. Would RfC be the way forward? Or should editors simply go ahead and add them to this list?
58.177.160.150 (
talk)
12:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Meanwhile, a spin-off list? Why do we need to do so if these are Chinese lighthouses? And why would an account be relevant here? In what way would that be relevant to materials for actual content?
58.177.160.150 (
talk)
13:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
For reference: The Vietnam list already contains those lighthouses on the islands of Spratlys which Vietnam control.
[8] As mentioned above, the UC list is available here.
[9]58.177.160.150 (
talk)
11:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Most of the lighthouses currently listed under the table of Chinese lighthouses have included in their names the hànyǔ pīnyīn diacritics, so are those on Cuarteron, Johnson and Subi reefs that have just been added. Should these diacritic marks be needed and retained?
219.76.24.202 (
talk)
12:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)reply
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Matthew hk thank you. At least two other editors were canvassed; we can't know how many were because of IP-hopping. That's on top of the socking/meatpuppeting. I almost wonder if we need to simply close this discussion and open one that is semi'd, inviting IPs to participate via edit request or something? I don't know.
—valereee (
talk)
00:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)reply
"... open one that is semi'd, inviting IPs to participate via edit request or something? I don't know." Whatever the case, you shouldn't take on admin role in this area of topics. You have not acted in an impartial manner from the onset. It may be more helpful and constructive if you may participate as an ordinary lay editor.
218.255.11.66 (
talk)
13:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)reply
I have zero interest in editing here. I literally
WP:DGAF about it. I wouldn't even know which way to !vote on this issue, and I'm not interested enough in the question to do any policy research to try to figure it out; if I weren't adminning here, I wouldn't be here. I literally could not be any more qualified to act as an admin here.
Have you seen Deryck C's reply to you about creating an account? His opinion is that, even in Hong Kong, it helps protect your privacy rather than the other way around. Maybe go to the HK user group he suggested and ask the folks there if they agree with him.
—valereee (
talk)
16:38, 6 January 2021 (UTC)reply
"... I wouldn't even know which way to !vote on this issue, and I'm not interested enough in the question to do any policy research to try to figure it out; ..." Your actions speak louder than your words. You have all along helped him or her to fix things at his or her version, and forum-shopped. See, e.g. among others,
[1],
[2],
[3]. As 218.255.111.214 put it above, it was "red-handed".
218.255.11.66 (
talk)
14:06, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
, Ok, i am not sure it is offsite canvassing from lihkg or telegram group. But using VPN is a big no-no in wikipedia. It seem some ip editors is using VPN or open proxy from a company called DOMAIN FIVE ENTERPRISES LIMITED, which renting an ip range 124.217.128.0/18 from UGC (edit: HGC).
Matthew hk (
talk)
05:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Domain Five Enterprises Limited, a wholly owned subsidiary of Hutchison Telecommunications Hong Kong Holdings Limited, is an authorized insurance agency in Hong Kong and registered with the Insurance Agents Registration Board (Registration No.: FA2643). Domain Five Enterprises Limited is an authorized insurance distributor of FWD Lift Insurance Company (Bermuda) Limited and FWD General Insurance Company Limited. Hutchison Telephone Company Limited provides IT and network supports to Domain Five Enterprises Limited.
The Constitution of 1982 doesn't put them together does it? Whose being delusional here? If they're part of that as much as provinces and autonomous regions do why have they got separate marine traffic administrations? What's "takeoever", btw?
43.224.235.7 (
talk)
04:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Are the party secretaries in charge of the special administrative regions at the same rank in the bureaucratic hierarchy or similarly positioned in their order of precedence as those in charge of provinces and autonomous regions?
43.224.235.7 (
talk)
04:40, 2 February 2021 (UTC)reply
Are we talking about the same thing? Hong Kong is part of China since 1997 is not the equivalent of "SAR is the same level as province and the 'Autonomous' region like Tibet". According to the
Basic Law, "Except the Basic Law and the Constitution, national laws are not enforced in Hong Kong unless they are listed in Annex III and applied by local promulgation or legislation". Can you tell me which province or 'Autonomous' region in China have the same status? Any proof that the Marine Department of Hong Kong is accountable to the Marine Safety Administration of China? --
Now wiki (
talk)
06:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)reply
The islands and their lighthouses would be subject to
WP:Notability (geographic features). Also review
WP:GNG. My suggestion is to avoid issues that would raise a red flag with reviewers working in
WP:AFC and
WP:NPP, and simply follow the notability guidelines - and don't hesitate to ask questions. You are close to having justification for a spin-off list considering China recently constructed about 5 new lighthouses, so check them out for notability, and avoid adding only statistics which makes them subject to
WP:NOTDIR. Also, any lighthouses that are included need to pass GNG which is dependent on citing at least 3 high quality independent
WP:RS, excluding other stat lists. Articles about lighthouses that have historic significance (not just a simple tourist attraction) that are/were important to their respective geographic locations are a good place to start. If all the IPs who commented here (be it one person or many) would simply register an account, and actually consider what we've been explaining in an effort to help you, you may find that it will prove beneficial to your goals rather than being an obstruction to them.
Atsme💬📧17:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)reply
The above has left me wonder whether this learned Wikipedian had read what he or she was responding to, or what are in the three hyperlinks enclosed. The lighthouses concerned were built on disputed islands (note: even their status as islands is disputed as far as international maritime/hydrographic law is concerned) in the South China Sea controlled by Chung-nan-hai. They certainly aren't "tourist attractions" (no civilians may reach them anyway), nor would they have any historical significance for the time being given that they were only recently built. But they are certainly notable given their importance to geopolitics of the broader region. The question was that whether these lighthouses should be considered "lighthouses in China" and covered by the umbrella of this list, thereby justifying their inclusion here. Would RfC be the way forward? Or should editors simply go ahead and add them to this list?
58.177.160.150 (
talk)
12:57, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Meanwhile, a spin-off list? Why do we need to do so if these are Chinese lighthouses? And why would an account be relevant here? In what way would that be relevant to materials for actual content?
58.177.160.150 (
talk)
13:48, 12 January 2021 (UTC)reply
For reference: The Vietnam list already contains those lighthouses on the islands of Spratlys which Vietnam control.
[8] As mentioned above, the UC list is available here.
[9]58.177.160.150 (
talk)
11:45, 13 January 2021 (UTC)reply
Most of the lighthouses currently listed under the table of Chinese lighthouses have included in their names the hànyǔ pīnyīn diacritics, so are those on Cuarteron, Johnson and Subi reefs that have just been added. Should these diacritic marks be needed and retained?
219.76.24.202 (
talk)
12:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)reply